Quote: I'm seriously beginning to question Urban Meyer. Great, win those games but what I saw against Michigan and Michigan State was Shurmuresque. Pathetic coaching.
He is 24 and 1 at Ohio State.
He was successful at every other place he coached. He won the national championship. He put Utah---yeah Utah---relevant. What have they done since?
Did I mention he was 24 and 1?
And you compare him to Shurmur?
Really?
I agree. It's just frustration or foolishness to start questioning the coaching staff. They went through 2 seasons undefeated then lost on the bigger stage. Teams can have a bad day or simply get beat by the better team, I don't know which case this is, but it doesn't make sense to sit there and talk about what should have been done. Meyer is a damn good coach.
Who else are you going to get?
I definitely think that it's all frustration. OSU was the closest to our potential champion out of most teams most of us follow. They kept getting knocked down in the rankings, yet kept surviving ....... until they didn't. For them to fall behind like they did, then fight all the way back to the lead, dominating the Spartans, only for to them be dominated in turn for the "winning time" of the game, was incredibly frustrating, infuriating, and irritating. We had the game ..... we had the momentum .... and let it slip away.
That said, Meyer is a great coach. I definitely think that he is a top 5 in college football today. Winning 24 in a row was just amazing, and I am glad we were able to pull that off,
The thing that really irritates me is that we took a post season ban last year, and then Miami gets off this year with just a loss of a few scholarships for what I consider to be a worse offense. Who knows? We might have won it all last year, if we could have competed for the National Championship then.
Anyway, I think that Meyer's tenure at OSU will be a long and successful one, one noted for undefeated seasons, mixed in with a 1 loss season here and there. (heading into bowls anyway) I think that he will win one or more National Championships here.
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It's been well documented that 1 loss Alabama would have stayed ahead of Ohio State in the BCS last year. Right or wrong, you can debate, but Ohio State wouldn't have had a title shot last year anyway.
As for Miami, let's not forget that Ohio State tried to sweep everything under the rug and got a one year bowl ban.
Miami didn't get anything from the NCAA because Miami self imposed a 2 year bowl ban, including last year which they would have played for the ACC title.
My only frustration is that we seemed to go away from the Hyde and we had some really stupid penalties... but all in all it was a great season. Hopefully next year we can finish it off with a Big Ten Championship.
I'm still po'd at that 4th down play. I don't know if Miller had the option to hand off to Hyde, but its crazy to run wide on a fast defense. If you have a hammer (Hyde), you use it ... point A to point B, you run straight at that kind of D. As mentioned earlier, Hyde got positive yards all night, but at a crucial point in the game we had Miller running a designed run play when he's most effective running from the pocket. This loss was hard to swallow.
Now we saw why Dantonio was named coach of the year. He played to his team's strengths, faced adversity when blowing a 17pt lead and adjusted beautifully. His team came out disciplined and ready to play, while ours took a while to get rolling. MSU wanted it more and earned that victory. Our Buckeyes got caught with our pants down looking ahead to the NC game IMO.
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Quote: Here's a fun college football fact for everyone :
Duke has played in more ACC Championship Games (1) than Miami.
Not surprising considering how bad Miami has been coached the past 5 years or so.
OSU players played a great game yesterday. Coaching was . awful though. Shallow zone vs. an offense that throws the ball deep? Ha. Our offense was predictable, and our WRs didn't play all that great. Meyer has gone soft since Aaron Hernandez too. Was it Roby or Hyde who got suspended for an allegation? I'm bringing this up because there's no reason why Marcus Hall should have not been playing. That really killed our O-Line. But yeah, this team was not ready for the Championship this year. Our defensive Coordinator can't select a play and our WRs are mediocre at best. We would have been demolished by FSU, but now Auburn will be.
I've read the last few pages so I'll put all my comments here..
OSU has one of the 2 or 3 best coaches in the country. It will be fine.
OSU was not ready for Auburn, Alabama, or FSU. They are very good, just not on that level yet.
Michigan State is a very good team and just made a few more plays.
Remember, Urban Meyer isn't even playing with all of his own recruits yet and that is one of his biggest strengths... He knows what kind of athletes it takes to beat SEC teams and he will get them to OSU, it's just going to take a little time. The Buckeyes will be a double digit win team as long as he sticks around, if they stay out of trouble... and will probably win a national championship or two.
First and foremost, congrats to Michigan State, they were the better team and deserved to win.
I thought Mark Dantonio did a great job exposing Ohio State's weaknesses. They don't have many, but he was able to exploit just about all of them.
I know people are bagging on Luke Fickell, and some of that is probably warranted. I wasn't happy with the pass rush, but I also knew going into the game that it was the weak spot of the defense. Even more than our secondary which I know isn't elite either. Connor Cook sat back there all day with little to no pressure on him.
Ohio State's other weakness is that they aren't the best passing team in the world. They have good receivers, but MSU didn't respect them all day. I saw a ton of island coverage on the outside. I thought HIermann needed to be involved more. He also missed the block on the 4th down play.
Speaking of that, I know Miller is great, and elusive, and maybe the most exciting QB when he takes off with the ball, but why not stick with what was working the entire game. Carlos Hyde rarely gets taken down in the backfield, and you needed a yard. Bad call on Urban Meyer. He definitely needs to be taking some today too. There were some questionable decisions.
I don't think the team overlooked MSU or anything like that. I think they showed up ready to play, it's just that no other team in the Big Ten had the power to exploit the few soft spots that Ohio State has. Northwestern did a good job of it, but it's silly to compare their defense to that of MSU. I think maybe subconsciously the team didn't care about winning their conference as much as winning that game because of where it would have taken them.
I do love people bagging on OSU's defense though, did you happen to catch the SEC championship? LOL. Auburn isn't exactly the 85' Bears.
It was a great game overall. I thought field position was really big in this game. Ohio State swung the momentum of that game by pinning them deep and forcing 3 and out. They played so much better past the 50 yard line. I think they just had more confidence in their running game when on that side of the field.
I thought Lucas Oil Stadium was incredible. They really know how to put on an event. I thought the Fan Fest was awesome. It ran Friday and Saturday up until kickoff. Free if you had tickets. All kinds of interactive stuff to do. Live games on TV, cool historical stuff. Full bar. Both bands came in and played for about 10-15 minutes each. All indoors too. I definitely will buy tickets. I think OSU is back there again if Braxton Miller stays, which I can't see how he thinks his draft value is an an absolute high, they are going to be favorites to win next year.
Awesome weekend, other than the result of the game. Had a blast.
Quote: I'm seriously beginning to question Urban Meyer. Great, win those games but what I saw against Michigan and Michigan State was Shurmuresque. Pathetic coaching.
He is 24 and 1 at Ohio State.
He was successful at every other place he coached. He won the national championship. He put Utah---yeah Utah---relevant. What have they done since?
Did I mention he was 24 and 1?
And you compare him to Shurmur?
Really?
I watched the games. I saw him calling plays that were more predictable than Shurmur.
Quote: I don't feel that way. I'm not saying you shouldn't feel that way, but I think they had a very good season and I am still proud of them.
And it sure as hell beats rooting for a team like the Browns who have double digit losses every freaking year. A team like Purdue had an unsuccessful season. We were successful. Too much emphasis on there only being one winner. It's become obscene.
Thats because there is only one winner. This isn't grade school where everyone gets a trophy no matter how bad you play. Browns, Indians and Cavs all suck. Ohio State was the one glimmer of hope and they choked. I'm sick and tired of hearing "maybe next year"
It's supposed to be hard! If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great!
Quote: Did someone really compare him to Shurmur? LMAO
How soon we forget those last 2 years.
Either that or I became more perceptive about Meyer's play-calling towards the end of the game than I ever did with Shurmur, and Shurmur was easier to read than a Dr. Seuss book.
Quote: Did someone really compare him to Shurmur? LMAO
How soon we forget those last 2 years.
Either that or I became more perceptive about Meyer's play-calling towards the end of the game than I ever did with Shurmur, and Shurmur was easier to read than a Dr. Seuss book.
He made some bad calls, no doubt, but he did also put 24 on the board, and not in garbage time.
You can't fall down 17-0 in any game let alone a big game like that. To fire back 24 straight was amazing. I mean they had that entire building rocking. They could not make the 2 or 3 plays they needed to make, and overall, they didn't play well enough to win.
Pat Shurmur would have been out of that game by halftime.
If you took all the garbage points away, where the defense was playing back, I bet Shurmur's offensive numbers for his team would be historic.
The other thing I wanted to mention was after seeing the way some national media and other fans acted on Saturday night, why do people question why Buckeye fans act the way they do.
There were a few ESPN personalities that should be ashamed of themselves. Jemele Hill is the absolute worst. Grow up.
I'm sure Mark May was gloating about his prediction coming true, I didn't watch. He always picks against the Buckeyes so that doesn't count. I don't understand how that guy has a job, because he doesn't do his job. He blindly picks against teams he hates every week, and overlooks other teams for stuff he nitpicks Ohio State for.
I guess it should have been expected, people waited 2 long years to jump on Ohio State for losing.
Quote: Well everyone on here was saying how overrated Clemson is when talking about FSUs schedule.
Time for Ohio State to prove it
yep. all-in-all a pretty fun matchup for the Buckeyes. alot of really good games in the bowls this year. i'm a little disappointed that we cannot have our Oregon v. Bama game in the Sugar, but that was expected since that game is a BigXII v. SEC game moving forward.
games I'm looking forward to watching:
USC v. Fresno - Carr vs. an athletic defense.
NIU v. Utah State - Jordan Lynch goes out against a top defense.
Wash v. BYU - should be one of the most fun matchups of the bowl season. I'm expecting first team to 50pts to win.
Louisville v. Miami - a ho hum matchup really. Was hoping for better to watch Bridgewater's last college game.
AzState v. TxTech - another shootout game though the Sun Devils are the better team and could pull away.
UCLA v. VaTech - Bruins offense v. Hokie defense. Good to pit the strengths of teams against each other.
A&M v. Duke - anytime Johnny Football might play the last game of his career, you have to watch. anytime Duke plays in a bigtime college football game, you have to watch.
Iowa v. LSU - just because the last time they met there was a crazy ending.
SoCar v. Wiscy - old school ground-n-pound
OkieState v. Mizzou - should be a good game, but honestly not excited to see it. I'm sure I'll change my mind when it pops up.
============================ BCS Games ============================
Stanford v. MichState - I do like that both are pro-style teams with great defenses. It is fitting to have them square off in the Rose. Should be a good game and a well-executed game on both sides.
Baylor v. UCF - Petty v. Bortles it is. UCF might have the best defense that Petty has had to face this year. I really would have preferred to see Baylor v. Buckeyes and put UCF against Clemson, but oh well.
Bama v. Oklahoma - yawn. boring. Sooners are not good this year. Bama might be the best team in the country. a shame that bowl allegiances robbed us the chance to see the Tide v. Ducks.
Ohio State v. Clemson - Buckeyes should win this one, but their defense has been terrible lately and the WR-screen has been one of the main pitfalls. Clemson runs the WR-screen better than anyone in the country. Fickell better figure that one out in the next month.
Auburn v. FSU - Auburn can run the ball as well as anyone in the country and FSU can throw the ball as well as anyone in the country. It may come down to whose defense can get the most stops. The Seminoles have had the much, much better defense, so they definitely should be favored but you never know in a one game set.
Quote: Ohio State was the one glimmer of hope and they choked. I'm sick and tired of hearing "maybe next year"
I get your sentiment with the Cleveland teams but Ohio State has won a national championship, played in another, might have played in another if not for sanctions, and won the Big 10 about 6 times in the last 11 years... at least when somebody says "maybe next year" with Ohio State, it's a legitimate maybe.. and not a "maybe" we can get to .500...
Quote: Ohio State was the one glimmer of hope and they choked. I'm sick and tired of hearing "maybe next year"
I get your sentiment with the Cleveland teams but Ohio State has won a national championship, played in another, might have played in another if not for sanctions, and won the Big 10 about 6 times in the last 11 years... at least when somebody says "maybe next year" with Ohio State, it's a legitimate maybe.. and not a "maybe" we can get to .500...
yeah, agreed (and this coming from a Buckeye fan). if the Buckeyes go 8-4, then we'd be seething (unless it was a throwaway year with Luke Fickell coaching). it just isn't the same at all compared to the Cleveland teams. cheering for the Buckeyes in the Big10 is alot like cheering for the Yankees in MLB and I'm not afraid to say it.
They had a great season. It just hurts because they were so close to getting that chance to play for the championship. Time heals all wounds, and I think eventually fans will come around to being proud of the team and the way they fought.
They're still a hell of a team, to storm back with 24 straight points like that was amazing, especially against that defense. MSU's defense is legitimate. That building was vibrating when they went up 24-17. It's just that after that point, they had a few plays they needed to make and they just didn't make them. It sucks, but you can't win every single game.
At least we don't have to hear SEC fans bitch and moan about not getting a chance.
I also understand that it is even more frustrating because OSU couldn't play in the game last year, when they probably would have won quite easily... they played 2 regular seasons to get to 1 playoff game and they lost.. I get the frustration...
Quote: I also understand that it is even more frustrating because OSU couldn't play in the game last year, when they probably would have won quite easily... they played 2 regular seasons to get to 1 playoff game and they lost.. I get the frustration...
I don't think those guys get enough credit for doing what they did last year. There was no light at the end of the tunnel for that team. They were literally playing games for nothing. With the way college football is, and how every game is so crucial, that's a tough transition to make, especially for kids that didn't do anything wrong.
I don't know if last year had anything to do with the other night though. I just think MSU was better on Saturday. I think saying the weight of 2 undefeated seasons played a role kind of diminishes what the Spartans did.
Darqu Dennard played almost the entire game on an island and really only got beat the one time when Brown or Fields (can't remember) dropped a perfect pass from Miller.
Quote: I don't know if last year had anything to do with the other night though. I just think MSU was better on Saturday. I think saying the weight of 2 undefeated seasons played a role kind of diminishes what the Spartans did.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.. my point was that this is one of the reasons its harder on the fans, not that it had any impact on the players or the game.. but the fans sat and watched 24 consecutive wins without a championship, without a trophy, nothing... so that championship game had to feel like the culmination of a VERY long season.
Quote: I don't know if last year had anything to do with the other night though. I just think MSU was better on Saturday. I think saying the weight of 2 undefeated seasons played a role kind of diminishes what the Spartans did.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.. my point was that this is one of the reasons its harder on the fans, not that it had any impact on the players or the game.. but the fans sat and watched 24 consecutive wins without a championship, without a trophy, nothing... so that championship game had to feel like the culmination of a VERY long season.
Well yeah, that sucked.
I'm really proud of those players though. Especially the seniors. For sticking with the team when they could have left. This year was a blast, but the 2 years before were really really hard. Officially the program was only punished for a season, but really the year before might as well have been since they were basically forced to make Tressel resign and really had no choice but to let Luke Fickell take over the team. They also had their starting QB walk away from the program.
Those seniors should be damn proud. The juniors about to be seniors should be motivated for next year.
The match-up with Clemson should be a good one. Clemson isn't as stout as Michigan State and probably isn't as fast as FSU... Whatever the over-under is on this game, I'd take the over.. I think it will be a track meet... Watkins vs Roby will be a fun match-up.
Quote: yea we beat a&m in 98. the same year michigan state beat us when we were undefeated.
I was at that Sugar Bowl. Bought scalped tickets and ended up sitting with the A&M fans. They were very nice and I tried to be respectful while we beat them up. Unfortunately an acquaintance in my group was drunk and less respectful. He's lucky he didn't get beat up.
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