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Well, this can go here, I guess. It's about the MLB off-season. Shin-Soo Choo agrees to a seven-year deal with the Rangers - CBSSports.com http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-...ith-the-rangersShin-Soo Choo has a seven-year, $130-million agreement with the Rangers, sources tell CBSSports.com. Texas has a deal now with its primary target. The Rangers envision Choo as a tablesetter following a year in which he had a .423 on-base percentage with the Reds. Texas is said to be a real long shot on Masahiro Tanaka now, according to sources. Choo had talked with the Reds, his former team, plus the Mariners, Yankees and a few others. The Rangers' $130-million deal is worth significantly more since Texas has no state income tax. Choo was always the main target since they visited with him in California few weeks ago, as Texas wanted to improve an offense that took a small step back last year. Choo and earlier addition Prince Fielder should provide the boost the Rangers need as they try to overtake the A's in what's become one of the most competitive divisions. Also noteworthy is that Choo lives in Buckeye, Ariz. Texas was apparently his first choice due to team, ballpark and, presumably, locale. The Rangers conduct spring training in Surprise, about a half-hour drive from Buckeye. The Choo agreement will mean that Nelson Cruz will have to go elsewhere. Texas always saw its longtime right fielder as a fall-back candidate to defense and a greater need for a top-of-the-ineup star. The Rangers already have Adrian Beltre and Fielder for the middle of their lineup. Texas will most likely be viewed as the favorite now in a exteremely tough division, though the A's are improved, and the Mariners and Angels looks much better. (Houston does, too, but it is still a couple years away.) Rangers people have been very disappointed by slides at the end of the the last two seasons following one in which they came within a pitch of winning the World Series. The Rangers made two straight World Series before taking tiny steps back the past couple years. The Rangers still were a strong team last year, but their offense was missing something. An injury to Lance Berkman, a slow start by Elvis Andrus and the 50-game ban for Cruz all hurt. Texas acquired Alex Rios for the stretch run, which helped a little. No one has done more for its offense than Texas has this winter.
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Looks like it cost Choo $10M when he (his agent) said no to the Yankee's 7 year $140M offer. Nice job, Boros, ya knob.
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Looks like it cost Choo $10M when he (his agent) said no to the Yankee's 7 year $140M offer. Nice job, Boros, ya knob.
New York 10% state income tax on all income over $1 million per year. (IIRC)
Texas 0% state income tax.
I think that he'll come out ahead.
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Unbelievable a guy like Choo could get that type of money. It's not like he is a top 10, or even top 20 player. Has terrible range in the outfield, and isn't going to carry a team offensively. Boras did very well on this one. This is just another example why the cano's and puljos get $250 million deals.
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if Beltran is worth $15mil/year, then Choo certainly is worth this deal.
more money and years than a team like the Tribe can afford/risk, but the upper tier teams with the huge TV deals can and do.
also, Ytown is correct, one of the writers did the math and $130mil in Texas = $147mil in NYC (not even factoring in cost of living - just taxes)
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The Indians did right trading him away. There is no way that kind of money would have been dished out here. Here's hoping Shaw continues to pitch well and Trevor Bauer amounts to something sooner rather than later.
After the three team deal involving Choo, Albers, Shaw, Bauer, Donald, Sipp, Anderson, Gregorius, and Stubbs, here it what remains:
Cincinnati: Nothing... They currently have zero guys on the roster from that deal.
Cleveland: Bauer (still a prospect in the minors) and Shaw (reliable reliever)
Arizona: Didi Gregorius (prospect on the team roster) and I believe ARZ likes him long term but I don't follow them all that much.
I understand Cincinnati knowingly rented Choo for the season (with Hamilton right around the corner for them) but I can't help but think they wish they could have made a run for Choo if it wasn't for Phillips' horrible contract, which the Reds are now even trying to move to no avail. Donald is a FA. We traded Stubbs to Colorado and lost Albers to Houston. Lars Anderson was designated for assignment and Tony Sipps is a FA.
Again, if Bauer can make this rotation and become what many people think he can and Shaw continues to do what he does, and argument can easily be made that the Indians made out on this three-team trade considering why each team made the moves they did.
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I hadn't considered the income tax differential. 10% is a significant bite of income. I do think there are big endorsement deals available to Yankee players that are not available elsewhere. I read somewhere that Derek Jeter makes more on his endorsement deals than his player salary, but Choo is no Derek Jeter either as a player, or in terms of star power. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if a good ballplayer made an additional $5M a year in New York that he would not make elsewhere. It still wouldn't make up for the onerous tax bite.
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Frankly, if I were an athlete, I would play where I thought I would be happy. Once you get into the $7 or $8 million and above range, do a few million more really matter? If I hated NY as a place to live, for example, then a few extra million wouldn't matter all that much to me if I could play somewhere I like.
It's like Keenan Lewis who played for the Steelers until last year. He was a New Orleans kid, and wanted to play for his home team. He signed with the Saints almost immediately once free agency opened, and it's likely that he could have received a bigger contract elsewhere, but he went where he would be happy. He signed a 5 year deal worth $25 million. That's not a huge contract for the guy who was, arguably, the best CB on the market.
I don't get the guys who go to teams that run a scheme they don't fit well ... or a power hitter who leaves a team with great lineup protection for a team without anywhere near the same level of protection in order to earn $15 million vs earning $13 million.
I'm not saying that Choo won't be happy in Texas, but man, I have seen a lot of ball players head to situations that don't look nearly as good as the one they left behind in order to make an extra (relatively) few dollars.
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it's why baseball sucks with the finances. Beltran might be older, but each in their prime I would take him over Choo every time. He was just a more dynamic player with the bat and in the field. Choo is a nice player, but he's not in that class or never will. This is just another example of big markets driving up contracts of average to above average players, while teams like the pirates and indians hunt down reclamation projects at the dollar store.
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beltran is 5 yrs older and they actually have very comparable overall numbers at the plate. beltran hits a few more HRs, but their OPS+ even out.
choo is an extremely under-rated player by fans(obviously not by MLB people or at least Texas)
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Japanese phenom Masahiro Tanaka has been "posted" by his team there, which will give any MLB team the right to place a $20M refundable bid for the right to negotiate with him. The usual suspects are lining up to do so. Right now estimates are that he'll get 7 years for somewhere between $140M-$160M. Crazy money for a guy who might turn out to be the next Daisuke or Irabu. Or, I guess he could be the next Yu Darvish.
I wonder if this is why Ubaldo is getting so little interest? I'm starting to get the feeling he might be back here next year, what with that $14M qualifying offer the Indians made.
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It doesn't really work out that way though. You pay taxes based out of where you make your money, not where your contract is based out of. So if they play 4 games in Cleveland and 8 in Cincy, they have to pay the Ohio state taxes for those 12 games. It still should be a significant savings though because of all of the home games but you can't base the taxes off of the entire contract amount because not every game is a home game. I was always curious as to how they factored in Spring Training into that.
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I wonder if this is why Ubaldo is getting so little interest? I'm starting to get the feeling he might be back here next year, what with that $14M qualifying offer the Indians made.
The current assumption is that everybody was waiting for this kid to decide and sign, then all the ubaldo-level guys would start falling into place.
Ubaldo already declined the QO, so that is off the table iirc, but the draft pick compensation may make some teams pause. I would look at him like this: when we traded for him, he was coming off of one superb half-season while being pretty ho-hum the rest of the time. With us, he had one superb half-season while being pretty terrible the rest of the time. Bottom line, I don't give this guy anywhere near what the market says he will get.
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The good thing about Ubaldo is that he has no real physical problems. The bad thing is that he's had mental/emotional problems. Those are often harder to fix. Calloway managed to "fix" him last year, but there is no guarantee about him. He has looked "fixed" before, only to fall apart.
It will be interesting to see where he winds up, and for how much.
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Garza and Santana havn't signed either. All it takes for one to sign, and you could be sure the other 2 will be right behind.
Ubaldo's problem has always been mechanics. He could never control where the ball was going. Plus in Colorado the guy threw 100 mph. that part of his game is gone.
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Kershaw gets $215 / 7 years. Good luck with that. Wow. LINK
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Even still, dodgers payroll covered by local tv deal. Indians payroll not.
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The Dodgers are also going to throw a ton of money at Tanaka. They will have a starting rotation of Kershaw/Grienke/Ryu/Tanaka/Billingsley. Pretty good.
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And boom goes the dynamite. Quote:
REPORT: The Yankees sign Masahiro Tanaka to a $155 million deal
Craig Calcaterra Jan 22, 2014, 9:53 AM EST
And now, the big news we’ve been waiting for:
Many, including this writer, assumed the Dodgers were the front-runners. But that’s what one gets for assuming. The Yankees, of course, have always been mentioned as a strong possibility as well. New York provides a huge platform, the Yankees have deep pockets and, of course, Tanaka’s agent Casey Close is also Derek Jeter‘s agent, providing a long track record of business dealings between him and the Yankees brass.
This puts to an end the Yankees’ alleged goal of getting the payroll below $189 million and thus avoiding luxury tax payments. But that’s Hal Steinbrenner’s problem, not Yankees’ fans. More important to them is that the Yankees now have a front line starter to go along with CC Sabathia at the top of the Yankees rotation. If Tanaka can come anywhere close to approximating his work in Japan and if Sabathia regains his old form, the Yankees’ 1-2 punch will be hard to match.
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I've always thought a player like this should have to go through the draft. Assuming the team couldn't afford him or he wouldn't want to play for them, the drafting team could trade him for players, picks and cash.
THe NBA doesn't let team X just outbid the others for a Euro star. He goes through the draft.
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Except for Tigers' Scherzer / Verlander, Rays' Price / Moore, Dodgers' Kershaw / Greinke, Nats' Strasburg / Gonzalez, and thats just off the top of my head.
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I've always thought a player like this should have to go through the draft. Assuming the team couldn't afford him or he wouldn't want to play for them, the drafting team could trade him for players, picks and cash.
THe NBA doesn't let team X just outbid the others for a Euro star. He goes through the draft.
it's a bit trickier in MLB though. these are guys older players that are pretty well vetted. if you subject them to the draft and the rules of arbitration through the draft, then it'll be another 6-7 years before they can actually cash in on their talent.
you'd basically take away any incentive for the Japanese players to come to MLB.
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However they do it, it should be fixed.
An established pro isn't subject to the arbitration rules through the draft. Something like that.
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However they do it, it should be fixed.
An established pro isn't subject to the arbitration rules through the draft. Something like that.
I agree with you... if you have been a pro for X years in a different country then you have a different set of rules.. either way it should be something that's not just open to the highest bidder.
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However they do it, it should be fixed.
An established pro isn't subject to the arbitration rules through the draft. Something like that.
I agree with you... if you have been a pro for X years in a different country then you have a different set of rules.. either way it should be something that's not just open to the highest bidder.
I agree with both of you but I doubt the MLBPA signs off on it.
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There has been talks of an international draft although I don't know how it would affect players like Tanaka. I think it is more for the players in Latin America.
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Paul Hoynes reporting that the Indians are close to a 4-year extension with Michael Brantley, with a team option for a fifth year. Nice, solid signing.
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Yeah, that is great news for the Tribe! Indians, Michael Brantley agree to long-term extension - CBSSports.com http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-base...-term-extensionUPDATE: The two sides have agreed to an extension, according to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com. It's a four-year deal worth $25 million with an $11 million option for a fifth year. * * * The Indians and outfielder Michael Brantley are close to a multiyear contract extension, reports Paul Hoynes of the Cleveland Plain-Dealer. The deal could be for four years with an option for a fifth year. Brantley, 26, hit .284/.332/.396 (107 OPS+) while setting career-highs in home runs (10), stolen bases (17) and games played (151) last season. He has put up a 110 OPS+ since become an everyday player in 2012. The Indians originally acquired Brantley from the Brewers as part of the CC Sabathia trade way back in 2008. He spent the first few years of his career in center field, but the Michael Bourn signing pushed him to left last year. Brantley would not have been eligible for free agency until after the 2016 season. His deal could be in line with the four-year, $20.5 million deal the Mariners gave Franklin Gutierrez a few years ago.
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I think this is a great deal for both Brantley and the Indians. Brantley isn't a world-beater but he is consistent, versatile, and error free for the most part. He can fit almost anywhere in the batting lineup except for maybe cleanup although he did bat there before and play anywhere in the outfield.
4yr/$25M for that? Yes, please. I think this is a great contract.
Next on the list.....Masterson and Kipnis.
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I like that Brantley can bat almost anywhere in the lineup, and has the speed and ability to be a CF, even though he is in LF. He has some pop in his bat, makes good contact ..... can steal a base effectively ...... he's not a pure power hitter ... but there is a lot to like in his game.
I agree with you that this was a really nice job on the contract. I can see us getting Kipnis done ....... but I just don't know about Masterson. I hope we will be able to ...... but I think that he's going for top dollar.
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I think this ends up going the full 5yr/$36mil contract possible. And, I think the Indians are getting a bargain (I understand why Brantley did it for the security due to the arb-system).
Brantley isn't an allstar, but he's a very solid player and one who is fun to watch play the game. So, I am very happy to have him on our team moving forward.
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Love the signing. Brantley is a pro's pro. The one player that actually did anything from the CC trade.
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I like that Brantley can bat almost anywhere in the lineup, and has the speed and ability to be a CF, even though he is in LF. He has some pop in his bat, makes good contact ..... can steal a base effectively ...... he's not a pure power hitter ... but there is a lot to like in his game.
I had the privileged to watch Brantley practice hitting a couple of times while also while watching my son get hitting lessons. Every ball I saw Brantley he hit had a ton of whistle on it and I thought a few were going to come thru the nets and hit me. I was probably 15-20 feet from him.
He was there before my sons hour lesson and he was still hitting after we left. He deserves it and he has put in a ton of work to get better. I heard he was up there a lot last year and the year prior.
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Derek Jeter announces that 2014 will be his last season. Makes me feel old ... I remember when he was a rookie. If you were starting a baseball team and you could choose anyone to be your "cornerstone" player, you could do a lot worse than making Derek Jeter that guy.
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Hope baltimore is happy to give ubaldo 4 years and 48 million. Man is that a bad deal. 1 good post all star break leads to 48 million. Only in baseball.
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How about the Reds reportedly giving Homer Bailey a 6 year $100M deal? Could impact the Indians' negotiations / arbitration hearing with Masterson.
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