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??? never wanted him to go....just stating if he doesn't want to be here, that is not a situation you want. maybe not that bad but Lynch didn't want to be in Buffalo and played his way out. But he is a great RB in Seattle.
Mack might want to go...which means tag (I doubt it) or make him an offer he can't refuse...doubt we would over spend. I did read somewhere that he would give us a last shot whatever that means. The reality is we signed Greco in the case Mack left so we wouldn't have a big fall out. I think at one time Greco was making the calls???
Is it a downgrade...probably. But I don't wish a Cancer here...I'm sure Mack will be ok but I'm thinking if we get in a little slump what will happen.
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Just let Mack go already. Hes too expensive. Let Greco play center he wasn't much at guard so maybe he's better at center .Plan B, check the waiver wire. The next Oniel Cousins is there at bargain prices. What could go wrong?
You already answered yourself, 'the next Oniel Cousins is there at a bargain', translated means: the next hardly even back-up material is there for a bargain price. Replacing an entity with crap is not technically an advancement forward. Cousins is bad at tackle, and bad at guard. He serves virtually no purpose other than he's a cheap "oh crap" guy you plug in when someone goes down. Thanks, but no thanks.
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3. If Mack leaves - and if he doesn't want to be here then I really don't care, let him go. Greco would be our starting Center.
I am shocked at this sentiment with both Mack and Ward. We have top quality players, we need to keep them. Any player we bring in to replace them will be worse. We do not need more holes to fill.
I'd rather keep Mack, too, though if he doesn't want to sign here I don't know if I'd franchise him. I'm not a fan of the franchise tag and as we saw with Dawson, it builds some resentment.
If we end up needing to draft a center, I'd take Linsley from OSU in the 6th or 7th. The only center I like better is Stork, and I don't like him that much better. I like him more than Swanson and Richburg. Tyler Larson looked pretty good at the senior bowl, too.
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But that's just it. Four of the five played together last year (who started the season this year) and the fifth joined midway. Injuries happen in the NFL, sure it would be nice to have an O-Line that's played together season after season, but realistically that just doesn't normally happen.
Injuries do happen.. I just don't think we have had good guard play since Steinbach left...
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I'd rather have a player build resentment playing for my team than being happy on another team. At least push back the need another year.
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I think Mack resigns because of Joe T. Who wouldn't want to play on a line with the best LT in football. Of course it all boils down to money, if the Browns pay him as deserved they will keep him. If another team is willing to way overpay, then Browns should let him go.
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On the other hand, I could care less if we let Ward walk
you don't say. i don't think anyone on the entire board knew that about your opinion on him until today 
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Any good Buffalo defensive FAs who may want to follow their coaches?
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Just let Mack go already. Hes too expensive. Let Greco play center he wasn't much at guard so maybe he's better at center
Was that supposed to be in Purple? 
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Any good Buffalo defensive FAs who may want to follow their coaches?
oh, just the best FS in the NFL, Jarius Byrd. Hmm, it seems we lack in FS skill.
(though the Bills are as likely to franchise him as we are Ward, so not likely an option even though it would be the 2nd tag for Byrd and cost Buffalo a little more $$)
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Alex Carrington, DT
Arthur Moats, LB
Jairus Byrd, S
Jim Leonhard, S
That is all of them right there. Obviously Byrd is the one that stands out.
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Could absolutely see a swap for Oregon safties, Byrd for Ward. If we're paying them close to the same money, I'd much rather have Byrd.
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Could absolutely see a swap for Oregon safties, Byrd for Ward. If we're paying them close to the same money, I'd much rather have Byrd.
we have tons of cap $$$, no reason we cannot have both (if Bills don't franchise Byrd).
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thats what i'm saying.
why do people want to swap them 2? Byrd is a FS and Ward is a SS. we should aim to have them both.
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Who wouldn't want to play on a line with the best LT in football.
The 90-100 OL guys that were in the playoffs... the 120 OL guys that get to block for a competent QB (granted there is a lot of overlap there)...
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Could absolutely see a swap for Oregon safties, Byrd for Ward. If we're paying them close to the same money, I'd much rather have Byrd.
we have tons of cap $$$, no reason we cannot have both (if Bills don't franchise Byrd).
I don't think they can franchise Byrd. Didn't they last season and can't do it two years in a row?
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Could absolutely see a swap for Oregon safties, Byrd for Ward. If we're paying them close to the same money, I'd much rather have Byrd.
we have tons of cap $$$, no reason we cannot have both (if Bills don't franchise Byrd).
I don't think they can franchise Byrd. Didn't they last season and can't do it two years in a row?
They can but they get charged some ridiculous charge like a 120% increase from the previous season.
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Could absolutely see a swap for Oregon safties, Byrd for Ward. If we're paying them close to the same money, I'd much rather have Byrd.
we have tons of cap $$$, no reason we cannot have both (if Bills don't franchise Byrd).
I don't think they can franchise Byrd. Didn't they last season and can't do it two years in a row?
yes, they franchised Byrd last year. they can franchise him again this year, but they have to do it at a penalty of higher cost. other than $$$, there is nothing restricting them from doing it.
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Didn't we franchise Phil Dawson, twice in a row?  Yes we did. As stated, the second time is at a higher cost. A player can be franchised three times in a row if my memory serves me...
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We just need to sign these guys long term. And focus on the holes that were already there, instead of creating more.
I mean... The FO sold this job with the part of have all-pros.
It's like, IMO, if I was interviewing, and part of the sales pitch was we have 6 all-pro players, I expect to have 6 all pro players went OTA's and training camp starts.
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We just need to sign these guys long term. And focus on the holes that were already there, instead of creating more.
I mean... The FO sold this job with the part of have all-pros.
Agreed.
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I have to think they're not going to just let them walk without an offer. A lot of it has got to be if they want to stay or not. Re-signing guys isn't just "check 'yes' or 'no'"
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If they don't want to stay, that's one thing.
Being cheap, is another.
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Just let Mack go already. Hes too expensive. Let Greco play center he wasn't much at guard so maybe he's better at center
Was that supposed to be in Purple?
Of course that was sarcasm.
That's the problem with people using purple ...... it weakens some people's own sense of sarcasm into mush.
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I have never in my life seen such nonsensical crap.
Youpeople who know nothing about oline play,that would be 99% of you,should keep your mouth shut.
Mack is a very good center.Mack is not worth thr francjhise tag.
Nothing else needs to ve said.
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I have never in my life seen such nonsensical crap.
Youpeople who know nothing about oline play,that would be 99% of you,should keep your mouth shut.
Mack is a very good center.Mack is not worth thr francjhise tag.
Nothing else needs to ve said.
Just went through pages 4-6, and haven't seen any posts by you explain what makes Mack anything special. Care to explain what is so "nonsensical" to you. And why 99% of us who know less about O-Line play than you should keep our mouth shut? (as you obviously know better, because you know enough that we shouldn't be posting our thoughts on this message board). What makes him a "very good center"?
I understand you're probably posting on your phone, but in addition to insulting folks who think that Mack is overrated, at least give some reasons as to why he isn't
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I have never in my life seen such nonsensical crap.
Youpeople who know nothing about oline play,that would be 99% of you,should keep your mouth shut.
Mack is a very good center.Mack is not worth thr francjhise tag.
Nothing else needs to ve said.
Did you see where I said "Of course it was sarcasm"?
Maybe people who know nothing about sarcasm should heep their mouths shut? 
Geesh.
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Did you see where I said "Of course it was sarcasm"?
Maybe people who know nothing about sarcasm should heep their mouths shut?
Geesh.
He did say "J/C Ytown" meaning Just Clicking. So I don't think he meant you at all.
I figured he was referencing people like myself who simply didn't think that Mack was much of anything above an average NFL center.
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I suppose that could be. I dunno.
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Well, it is interesting to see that we all have different opinions on these guys.
Personally, I think Mack is very good. Here is why:
--He is strong enough to handle the big NTs in the this league, including Ngata in Baltimore.
--He is extremely smart. He makes great line calls. Rarely do you see guys run in free against our OL, This is a huge asset.
--He can block on the second level. Think about that screen pass where Little gained all those yards. Mack and Joe T. were well down field paving the way.
--His durability is outstanding. As mentioned, he's never missed a game.
I think we need to keep this guy. Not sure it will happen, but he does impress me and our OL will suffer if he leaves.
On the other hand, I could care less if we let Ward walk. Very overrated. Inconsistent tackler and poor in coverage. He's okay, but I would not pay him top safety money.
Would you be OK with us Tagging a Center at whatever the figure is? 9-11M?
That's incredibly stupid for what is mostly considered the LEAST important position on any offense.
I have zero problem with sliding Greco over and getting one new quality OG via draft or FA.
No way should this Tag thing for a Center or a Guard be the average of any OL including LT's. That's just blind stupidity. And Goodell is right there attached to it. Just like a Super Bowl in NYC in February and the possible killing off of extra points.
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Still think the purple font's a bad idea?
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I'd love to sign Mitchell Schwartz brother Geoff Schwartz. He's bigger that Mitchell and he plays guard. He started quite a few games on the Chiefs offensive line including playoffs.
I'd like Schwartz as well. I was hoping we would have pursued him last offseason. He only signed a 1-yr/$700,000 contract. I thought that was weird and he'd get more money, but he did come off injuries didn't he?
I think it would be fun watching the Schwartz brothers playing next to each other, and coming from personal experience, I think it would be an added motivator to play alongside your brother(s). I mean who wouldn't want to be better than your big/little brother? It makes for great holiday conversation when everyone's around  Anyways,
He made the All AFC West Team (ProFootballFocus)
Left Guard: Geoff Schwartz (KC)
Schwartz’s return to a regular starting gig in the season’s second half saw him do more of what he does… put up green grades. Top-20 ratings as both a pass blocker and as a run blocker added up to the league’s eighth-best overall mark for a guard as the versatile performer got time in on both sides of the line.
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20. Kansas City Chiefs
Stud: He finally got his chance and boy did Geoff Schwartz (+18.6) deliver. A capable and versatile lineman, his play ensured that the team couldn’t switch back to Jon Asamoah (who wasn’t playing badly himself).
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The one thing that caught be off guard was he won the accolade at LG. I thought he was a RG. No biggie but maybe his "versatility" mentioned could allow him to play either Guard position depending on what we decide to do at the other spot....whether FA, draft, or current roster player.
Either way, he's on my very short list for FA.
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Just like to clear things up - possibly???
1. I do not want Mack to leave its sets a precedent that I do not wish to see over again. But if he truly does not want to be here I would rather let him go than make $ his motive to stay.
2. I mentioned Greco because it was set up to be that way...maybe just leverage in negotiations or actually a safe guard preparation to let Mack Walk.
3. I'm all for getting Mitchell Schwart's brother...let them for a right side tandem. Hopefully they like each other and this would keep both here for a long time. Assuming they make a good tandem. Then we either sign Mack, or draft high an OG or C with Greco and Pinkston to fill in where ever.
BC...what happened there? sometimes its hard to get the message across on a message board...no big deal.
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