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OK, it has been generally accepted that Hoyer will probably be the "caretaker" QB when we draft a new "Franchise" QB in the coming draft. However, my question is this: Is Campbell playing himself into competition to be that guy instead?
Hoyer played pretty well in his 2+ games. He went 57/96 (59.4%) for 615 yards, with 5 TD and 3 INT, and averaged 6.41 yards/pass attempt. He showed leadership and fire, and really settled the position, and the team. His 2 complete games came against the Vikings and the Bengals. He showed good ability to keep drive moving, but mainly threw shorter pases. In his 2+ games, he had 6 pass plays of 20+ yards.
In his 2+ games, Campbell has played even better, completing 45/75 passes (60%) for 561 yards, 5 TD, 0 INT, and averages 7.48 yards/pass attempt. He seems more likely to use the entire field, at all levels. I have been truly impressed with his much quicker his release looks as compared to when I have seen him play in the past. While he is not as outwardly fiery as Hoyer, he's definitely a leader, and, like Hoyer, seems to have the full faith and confidence of the players. Where Hoyer is fiery and outgoing, Campbell is more composed and calm. Either approach can be successful, and both guys played well in their limited time this year.
Hoyer played Minnesota and Cincinnati. Campbell played KC and the Ravens. I don't think that there's a huge difference in the level of competition the 2 guys played. I do give Campbell credit for finally beating the damned Ravens. I truly believe that we would not have won that game without him.
Neither guy had the advantage of a strong, conventional running game. The coaches manufactured some nice runs, but for the most part, we failed to support either guy with a run game. They performed anyway, both doing very well.
So ..... if Campbell continues to play really well, does he pass up Hoyer as the starter entering next year, or does Hoyer revert back to that position? Could we have a QB controversy ...... but a good one? I really like the way that Campbell is playing right now. He is driving the ball effectively, showing excellent accuracy, and like I said, really getting the ball out quicker than I have ever seen from him. He has really impressed me. Maybe this is a little premature, but as of right now, I think that he has taken huge steps towards earning the job for next year.
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I feel like we have two viable starters in Hoyer and Campbell. So drafting a QB should be less of a priority. Not saying we shouldn't draft a QB, but I think we can afford to evaluate the QB's and wait until one falls to us that we feel like taking a flier on. So there is no need IMO to give up the farm to trade up for an unknown... We could use those picks on BPA instead.
As for who do we start next year, let them battle that out in camp and be happy knowing the other is there as back up.
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I cannot see this front office passing up the opportunity to draft a QB if they are able to, given that they made deals specifically to put themselves in position to make a trade if necessary.
That said, I do like what we saw out of Hoyer, and I really like what we have seen out of Campbell in these last 2 games. He has been really impressive.
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Keep Hoyer and Campbell but let Weeden go. Get a young guy with promising upside to sit behind the two of them. I'd start Hoyer over Campbell due to the youth factor. Let Campbell be the second string guy.
As for Weeden? Trade him for a ham sandwich.
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I'm not at all biased when it comes to Campbell, so I'm more than qualified to speak on this subject 
It really depends on how the QB class shapes up.
If there aren't any viable QB's left when we're picking in the 1st round we'd be idiots to take one just to take one, ala Weeden. (The more I watch replays of this class of QB's, the less I like them) If that's the case, and Campbell continues to play like he has the last two weeks, it'd be hard not to see him as having a leg-up going into 2014.
Of course I'd like nothing more than to see Campbell have the job another year or two, but realistically we need to find a guy to groom for the future. Still, if that guy isn't available, I'm all for spending our draft picks to build up the talent on the team. There's nothing wrong with not going all-in on a "franchise" QB just because you feel like you have to, especially if there isn't one in the draft. Had we gone the route of trading for Jason Campbell several years ago we could have spent a 3rd round pick on someone not named McCoy and a 1st round pick on someone not named Weeden.
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Agree with you Toad.
This is turning into such a weird season.
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I don't think that Campbell would be the same guy if we didn't have Norv Turner here. You have watched Campbell a lot ..... when has Campbell ever shown the quick release and quick decisions he is now?
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If I am charge, I am not just for clarification, I keep both Hoyer and Campbell. If Campbell continues to play at his current pace he has to be the starter next season. If Campbell falters this season then Hoyer starts next season as the starter. If Campbell is successful this season and falters next season, then we have Hoyer behind him ready to go.
We also have to draft a QB. While Hoyer lacks experience he is not young, he just turned 28 years old. We do not have to draft a QB in the first round if we have both Campbell and Hoyer on the roster. Players like Derek Carr, David Fales, Tajh Boyd, Aaron Murray, Stephen Morris, and A.J. McCarron will be available after the first round. There is nothing wrong with grabbing a guy later in the draft and having him learn from Campbell, Hoyer, and (most importantly) Norv Turner on a daily basis.
If it is determined that there are no QBs to our liking early in the draft or we are not in the position to draft the QB we want, we should use our picks to select the best players available. While our team is much improved there are still several holes (guard, free safety, cornerback depth, etc.) and if we could fill those holes with top talent we should do it. If we wanted we could even use our draft pick ammunition to move up in the draft and select an elite talent like Marquise Lee or Mike Evans. Furthermore, if we really wanted to tick off opposing offenses we could trade up and select Anthony Barr.
I just wanted to add this last part: Norv Turner turned 31 year old Brad Johnson into a Pro Bowl QB for the 1999 Redskins. At that point in his career Johnson had started 23 career games with some success. It is not out of the question for Jason Campbell to have a huge leap (I would not predict a Pro Bowl size leap) with Turner as his coach.
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Good question,and a tough one.They still will draft their franchise QB,either this year or next,but I would keep both Hoyer and Campbell and let them battle it out.Nice problem to have for a change,instead of the ones we are used to.
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I really think the following two statements are true:
1. This FO will stop at nothing to get a franchise QB. They get it. You can't win without one. And I don't think they believe that Hoyer or Campbell are franchise QBs. We should expect something drastic done in FA or on draft day to achieve this.
2. Having said that I trust this FO won't do anything truly stupid either....they won't reach on a guy just to do it. They won't give up picks just to do it. I think Banner is too smart.
Best case scenario: Campbell leads us to playoffs. We have no takers on a draft day trade that will net us the QB we want. We stand pat and take BPA at all our picks. We find a WR and a RB. Somewhere in the first three rounds we take a QB who is BPA at that time. They become our Kaepernick.
I could live with that.
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I think Hoyer starts next year backed up by Campbell. the Rookie will be holding a clip board, and hearing and learning the offense.
Weeden will be cut as soon as the season ends, did anyone else notice him standing alone for most of the game? seems like he is a lil butthurt over realizing he isnt ever going to be a good qb. its too bad because he seems like a nice kid.
and as far as our rookie qb, i got a feeling Tajh Boyd will be our pick. He reminds me alot of McNabb and we all know that was Banners boy.
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Least we forget the business end of the NFL. Weeden's contract.
Year..............Base.........S. Bonus........Misc........Cap Hit...........Dead
2012.........390,000.......1,079,745.........-........1,469,745....7,511,288
2013.........757,436.......1,079,745.........-........1,837,181....6,041,543
2014.........1,124,000....1,079,745.........-........2,203,745....4,204,362
2015.........1,492,000....1,079,745.........-........2,571,745....1,999,745
$7.511 million guaranteed (Signing Bonus + 2012-14 base + $920k of 2015 base)
Signing Bonus: $4.318 million
This regime doesn't seem to just toss it's cash around and we're on the hook for all of Weeden's 2014 salary and half of his base 2015 salary. Are y'all sure they're going to cut him free at the end of this season and pay him to stay home. Also, no one in their right mind would trade for him because they'll wait to see if we do cut him and pick him up for pennies while we pay him.
In contrast
Campbell
Year..............Base.........S. Bonus........Misc........Cap Hit...........Dead
2013..........1,500,000.......-................-...........1,500,000.....500,000
2014..........2,250,000.......-................-...........2,250,000........-.......
Hoyer
Year..............Base.........S. Bonus........Misc........Cap Hit...........Dead
2013..........715,000..........-................. -............715,000.......250,000
2014..........1,000,000.......-...........250,000.....1,250,000........-.......
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Good thread topic. I guess even a blind squirrel finds a nut.  If Campbell keeps playing like he is, I'm not so sure we even go for a QB in round 1. Given this QB class, I'm okay with that, too. I'd be totally okay with us taking a project and giving him the Aaron Rodgers treatment for a couple years. Have him learn from the starters, start a "QB school," work on his mechanics, etc. Then we could use the upcoming draft to load up at WR, maybe another high-power TE, Guard(s), and RB.
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Regardless of whether Campbell plays well, I think the FO wants be looking to the future in this draft at QB. Weeden has failed, there are rumors abound that Campbell had a rift with coaches/management after being leap frogged, and Hoyer's injury and lack of sample size proves nothing.
The issue is, if Campbell wins games AND Indy continues to win, our two draft picks may not put us in a position to make a move on a QB we may like- not to mention a good amount of teams struggling in early draft position also need a QB or others have more ammo (based on better draft position) to make a move more appealing. Not sure if a pick in the teens and another in the twenties may be enough to move up. Maybe adding another first rounder in 2015 may do the trick but is it worth it for the QBs in this upcoming class?
I want to keep winning, don't get me wrong, but I feel like the Browns always do just enough to take them out of the running for the one position they always need in the draft....a QB.
We may have no choice but go into next year with Campbell and Hoyer based on how the team performs in their remaining games.
We'll see.
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...for the first time, ever.
I can't help but think it's way to early to talk about comparing these QBs or making a decision on who should carry the team to start the next season.
You can throw out the stats and the stat comparisons. Especially using them to compare the two. Way too small a sample size to gain any concrete information on either of them, let alone make a QB decision using those stats as part of that decision making process.
The only thing we can use in their evaluations and even in their comparisons are the intangibles.
And both guys are loaded with them.
But many of the intangibles to be judged in making the decision on which one going forward are of the variety that we're not privy to by only watching the games on TV. For instance, we can talk about leadership but I think you'd have to be a fly on the wall in the locker room and a player in the huddle to get the real scoop on qualities of each guy's leadership. That's just one example.
Like most of you, I wish we'd have gotten to see Hoyer more. Not seeing him but for two games leaves a lot of unanswered questions. At the same time, only seeing Campbell for two games leave the same questions unanswered.
Too many times a QB comes off the bench and has a couple of decent games and then fizzles out. At this point we have no idea if either or both of these guys are going to be of that type or of the type that can be consistent enough to put some bank on.
Question: Which QB Going Forward? (for entertainment purposes only)
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Next year you let Campbell and Hoyer battle it out and draft a QB somewhere in the draft where you don't have to reach and let him sit. Looking at a draft website I noticed that Kenny Guiton is predicted to go in the 7th round or be undrafted. If Guiton is truly behind all of these other QBs then I would be happy with any of them. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2014/QB
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Ok, I'm with most others when I say that I would keep Hoyer and Campbell in the offseason, both are under contract, neither is particularly expensive...
Weeden can go do whatever it is QBs do when they have a lot of Cleveland Browns money in the bank and they are done.. he should have about 4 or 5 to call and ask for advice.
I would go into the draft with 2 lists of QBs.. the yes list and the no list. Those who I believe are franchise QBs and those that are not. I would not take any of the ones from the not list.. at all, ever... not even if they are still there in the 5th round.
If I have to move up to get one that is on my yes list then I would trade almost whatever it takes to do that. If it looks like I'm not going to be able to do that, then I would strongly consider moving some of my picks from 2014 into 2015 and I would use the rest to bolster a few key positions and I would roll with Hoyer and Campbell.
If Hoyer/Campbell prove not to be the long term answer then I'm still set up next year to try to move up again.
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Keeping a level head and emotions out of it. Weeden is probably released - Assuming nobody will give anything for him. Now there are scenarios where we do keep Weeden.
Campbell continues producing and don't get sucked in too far of greatness he is looking great compared with Weeden. There are decision mistakes. But he has definitely learned his trade even what his 6th 7th season and 31? Release has changed and he is not holding onto the ball.
But lets say we make a HIGH INVESTMENT in the draft for a QB which I think is probable. I don't think we will move up to get a QB. Still we make that investment. Well if in camps or Preseason a team gets their QB injured or they just do not have won...you know a team with Henne starting or a similar QB. They offer us a 2015 high draft pick for Campbell. I can see that happening.
In that case Hoyer will start without a big competition with he n Campbell. Our High pick will be #2 or #3 it won't matter if Hoyer goes down he'll jump to #1 and we keep Weeden in case we ever have to go 3 deep in the depth charts.
A lot has to be determined still. we got 7 more games. Hopefully all with Campbell. Statistically he is doing great and he is avoiding sacks for the most part. We will see. I don't think he is THE GUY. unless he keeps on IMPROVING. But he will be coveted by other teams that is for sure. That is always a good situation. If it was reversed roles and Hoyer is the guy n Campbell on IR...same thing if a team offers us a high pick for Hoyer - keeping in mind we invested OUR GUY in the 2014 draft so that Hoyer or Campbell will be TEMP QBs. We go for the Pick to build around the new kid whoever that may be.
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Id like to see us draft Tajh Boyd in the upcoming draft. with Hoyer/Campbell under contract he wouldnt need to see the field his first year. hold a clipboard, learn the playbook and terminology. He reminds me of McNabb, and think he has good intangibles. thats my draft crush....who are some of the guys you want in the draft?
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I see The Browns trying to go after Bridgewater or Mariotta, whoever they like better. If they can't make that happen, they will sit tight and see who falls to them and will take the best player. They didn't reach for Geno Smith, I can't see them reaching for a QB they aren't completely sold on with Cambell and hoyer playing pretty well.
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THIS PLEASE!
I'm ok with that, or one of the two + a rookie pick.
If you have to worry about your third QB, you're not going to be much better than what we will probably end up as (7-9, 8-8ish)
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I believe we saw their decision when they leap frogged Hoyer over Campbell. Unless one would suggest that this coaching staff couldn't see that Campbell had the ability to play in this system, one must conclude that they want Hoyer to fill that role. Do I think that Campbell appears to be the better choice moving forward over Hoyer? Yes I do.
I also felt that way when they circumvented around Campbell to start Hoyer. I feel the pure speculation and rumors around some "rift between the coaching staff and Campbell" is BS. You don't, or shouldn't, let something like that sway who the best player at the QB position determine who you start. You start the BPA.
What both Hoyer and Campbell have dispelled, is that we don't have the talent to win. Could we use some upgrades at other positions? Well of course, most every team can. But outside of the QB position, we have the talent here to win.
How Campbell plays the rest of the way I really don't feel changes anything in drafting a QB. While we all say what we think of the QB's coming out, that has nothing to do with what this FO thinks of them. IF they see what they feel is an elite franchise QB in this draft, they will offer the farm for him. If they don't, they won't.
And I don't believe you have a "list" of guys like that. You have ONE. You may have a list of guys you feel have the potential to turn into one, but you don't move up and sell the farm for those guys. You only do that on the ONE your sold on.
I don't believe where you slot your QB's on your draft board, or which one you draft where, is based on your current QB situation.
As for next year? I believe starting out it will be Hoyer. They made it clear they saw Hoyer as that guy and nothing Hoyer did shouted he couldn't do it, As I said, they either knew what they had in Campbell when they made the choice to start Hoyer, or they didn't. And if they didn't, why was it Campbell was listed higher on the depth chart to begin with?
Now you'll have those that say, "Well the depth chart doesn't really mean anything." Well of course it does. But at some point you look at potential over experience when looking for the future rather than the here and now. Which is exactly what we saw when they started Hoyer over Campbell.
We all pretty much knew this wasn't going to be a playoff year, so they knew it too. It seems they felt it was a wiser investment to see what Hoyer could do with some experience under his belt and how he could grow giving him starts. I really don't feel that's rocket science.
Now Campbell could string a good enough season to change that, but for some reason I doubt it. And I don't see what either of them could have or will do to change anything in their draft strategy or big board when it come to drafting a QB.
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I don't think that Campbell would be the same guy if we didn't have Norv Turner here. You have watched Campbell a lot ..... when has Campbell ever shown the quick release and quick decisions he is now?
I had my eye on Campbell all the way back at Auburn. I saw him as this big, mobile, strong-armed guy who had prototypical size who could push the ball down the field in weather because he threw a very tight spiral.
I also saw a somewhat robotic, system guy who reminded me of Vinny Testeverde when it came to processing information. When he was coming out I was much more heavily invested emotionally in personally evaluating players. Rodgers was the guy I wanted that year and I didn't have a 1st round grade on Campbell. I had him in the back of the 2nd round as a talented but developmental guy. He needed to go the old, classic route of sitting on the bench a year or two and be brought along slowly, which the Redskins actually did. He was slowly curving upwards each year but kept having systems switched on him, so he never got into a comfortable system that worked. That made for longer drops in the pocket which made it appear he wasn't quick.
Where I'm going with this is that Campbell's release just looks quicker because he's being decisive and the ball is coming out quicker than it ever has for him. That's a credit to Turner for sure, but at 31 he didn't have his mechanics changed around resulting in a faster release. If you go back and look at highlights from his Auburn days you're going to see the same release you see now. He never snapped it off like Rodgers or Favre, but he was never really long like Leftwich. It just looks faster because in Turner's offense he can make a quick, decisive read and let the ball go. It also looks faster because...and this I have absolutely noticed...he's finally processing information on-par with an NFL-starting QB. He used to be very slow going through his reads in Washington which led to all the sacks and fumbles. That was his slower football mind at work. It started to come around in 2009 and 2010. Now that he's in a QB-friendly system...people just need to remember how Rivers looked and how quickly he was able to make decisions and get the ball out...Campbell finally looks like the guy he was supposed to be.
I don't see a guy whose release is any quicker. It's still just average. What people are seeing is an elite offensive system which makes it easier for a QB to process information. Campbell wasn't mentally ready for the NFL early-on. His development was hindered by so many switched systems and failed coaches. But he slowly picked up on things and the light was slowly coming on over the last 4 years. Because he can now process information quickly and go through his reads at an acceptable speed it's making his release look faster. He isn't standing in the pocket looking around flat-footed. When a QB does that...ala Weeden...it can make the release look slow.
The decision making part...that's why I was so amped when we got Turner. His offensive mind is the elite of the elite. Campbell finally developed at the right time and he kinda lucked into getting hooked up with Turner.
I'm not going to sit here and say Campbell has finally arrived as an elite NFL QB. He has always been a risk to fumble the ball and it'll come sooner or later here. But I always thought he could be a good NFL starter, and it wouldn't surprise me to see Campbell end the season with a rating of 90 or above. I think that's good enough as we build up the rest of the team IF a franchise QB isn't sitting right there.
I liked what I saw from Hoyer in terms of mobility and getting the ball out quickly. However, what I saw was a guy who got the ball out too quickly sometimes, meaning he threw some INT's because he'd made up his mind he was going to get it out quickly and didn't process the information of seeing defenders in his throwing lanes. The big question with Hoyer is can he develop beyond that at age 29.
I would personally love a situation where, if Campbell can keep this up and prove he's truly turned the corner, he is the starter for a year or even longer if he keeps playing like this, and Hoyer and a rookie battle it out as QB of the future.
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Campbell only played once last year, and it was in San Fran on MNF.
He didn't play well, but he was also in a horrible offense, and had the worst OL in the league in front of him (going against SF's front 7 which was probably tops in the NFL last year)
He's got better players and coaches around him right now.
I also want to point out on how wrong I was on Campbell. I thought the sign wasn't a very good one, I have always been unimpressed with his game, but these last 2 weeks he's shown that he's what we need right now, and all that we were asking of Brandon Weeden.
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Along those lines, it was nothing short of insane to evaluate Campbell based on that one game in Chicago where his line allowed him to get turned into hamburger.
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Along those lines, it was nothing short of insane to evaluate Campbell based on that one game in Chicago where his line allowed him to get turned into hamburger.
Shows ya how good of a QB Cutler is.
He's been quite good playing in front of crap and only having Marshall to throw to. Forte is a good back but gets most of his production via the pass.
I really really really expect GB to layeth the smacketh down tonight.
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Along those lines, it was nothing short of insane to evaluate Campbell based on that one game in Chicago where his line allowed him to get turned into hamburger.
Shows ya how good of a QB Cutler is.
He's been quite good playing in front of crap and only having Marshall to throw to. Forte is a good back but gets most of his production via the pass.
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I believe we saw their decision when they leap frogged Hoyer over Campbell. Unless one would suggest that this coaching staff couldn't see that Campbell had the ability to play in this system, one must conclude that they want Hoyer to fill that role. Do I think that Campbell appears to be the better choice moving forward over Hoyer? Yes I do.
I also felt that way when they circumvented around Campbell to start Hoyer. I feel the pure speculation and rumors around some "rift between the coaching staff and Campbell" is BS. You don't, or shouldn't, let something like that sway who the best player at the QB position determine who you start. You start the BPA.
I think that the coaching staff started Hoyer because they saw some things in practice and they wanted to see if they would translate to the field. I don't necessarily see it as a slam on Campbell, but as a desire to see what Hoyer could do.
I do think that Campbell has outplayed their expectations, because if they thought that he could play like this, he would have started from the 1st time Weeden faltered. The theme this year has been seeing what we have at the QB position. Weeden was given extra rope because they wanted to see what he could become. He was put back in as the backup because they wanted to see how he would respond if he had an opportunity to play again. I think that they thought that the knew what they had in Campbell, and I bet that he has surprised them with the quality of his play. I would bet that they thought that they would get what other teams have gotten from Campbell, but he has been far better than that. Given that Campbell has never thrown more than 20 TD passes in any single season, I would bet that 5 passing TDs in 2 games was an absolute shocker. Given the lack of a run game, I bet that played a huge part in deciding to start Hoyer as well. The team knew that they would need more than a single TD pass per game on average, and that's really what Campbell has been in the past.
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I think that the coaching staff started Hoyer because they saw some things in practice and they wanted to see if they would translate to the field.
It has also been said that Campbell did not start because he had incentives in his contract that kicked in if he started a certain amount of games.
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I am a bit confused about this whole Campbell/Hoyer thing. Based on what I saw last week in KC and then yesterday at home. As much as I liked watching Hoyer, I thought that Campbell played better than Hoyer.. One win and one loss.
I don't get why they went with Hoyer over Campbell. I just don't see it in the performances on the field. So you gotta wonder if it's off field issues.
I just don't know.
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I think that the coaching staff started Hoyer because they saw some things in practice and they wanted to see if they would translate to the field.
It has also been said that Campbell did not start because he had incentives in his contract that kicked in if he started a certain amount of games.
We have played 8 games, and Campbell has started 2 of them. If he starts the rest of the season, I would bet that he hits most, if not all of his escalators.
Besides, his contract has a grand total of only $2.6 million in incentives between both seasons. That is a minimal amount given the ridiculous amount of cap space we have, and that we have to spend to reach the cap floor.Last I heard, we were nowhere near the cap floor. If we don't spend to the cap floor, then the team has to pay that difference anyway, so it makes little sense to worry about pennies when we have millions of dollars we have to spend. .
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I think that the coaching staff started Hoyer because they saw some things in practice and they wanted to see if they would translate to the field.
It has also been said that Campbell did not start because he had incentives in his contract that kicked in if he started a certain amount of games.
We have played 8 games, and Campbell has started 2 of them. If he starts the rest of the season, I would bet that he hits most, if not all of his escalators.
Besides, his contract has a grand total of only $2.6 million in incentives between both seasons. That is a minimal amount given the ridiculous amount of cap space we have, and that we have to spend to reach the cap floor.Last I heard, we were nowhere near the cap floor. If we don't spend to the cap floor, then the team has to pay that difference anyway, so it makes little sense to worry about pennies when we have millions of dollars we have to spend. .
Not a bad price to pay for decent QB production.
And I mean, some of us, myself included have accused them of tanking this year, but if they really cared that much about the high pick, Weeden would have never gotten benched. I think that's pretty clear.
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The last thing this orginization or coaching staff needs to do is reach in the first round for a QB there not sure of, there are other areas to address, LB, Guard, RB...Yes we do need to find a franchise QB but we all see what happens when you reach and pick the QB thats left...IE WEEDEN,
If the QB we want isnt availible there is nothing wrong with Trading one of those picks away or taking a LB...Guard, WR...I do think we can get a RB later in the draft, another Safety, corner...one never has enough corners and we might need a Center, hopefully Mack stays but who knows
I just dont wanna press fit another 1st rounder hope & Pray into another wasted oppurtunity, we cant do that anymore, I'd much rather pass on a suspect QB take a Legit LB and go with Hoyer & Campbell.
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I actually think that they handled the situation appropriately.
They gave Weeden a chance. He got hurt, and Hoyer got a chance. He proved that he was worth an extended look, so they were going to go that direction. Unfortunately, he got hurt, so they went back to Weeden, and he performed well for one game. They gave him a little more rope, and he couldn't swing with it, so they went to Campbell.
I don't see any real inappropriate handling of the QB spot. I thinkt hey handled it about as well as could be expected.
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You said it right there, Ytown.
It's hard to be objective when you see the same old crap out on the field, but looking back, I like how they handled the QB position. I think it shows patience and thoughtfulness on the part of the FO and coaches.
While they're clearly not tanking the season, they are definitely using all the opportunities they can to evaluate a number of positions, QB being the main one. Yes, I probably could've won a game or two more by pulling Weeden out, but at what cost? We'd go into the offseason still not knowing about our QBs. And throwing Hoyer out there, while crazy at the time, was eye-opening to fully judge the QB depth chart. The sample size on Hoyer is very small, but we have a clearer picture on him than we did Thad Lewis, and look at him (maybe a bad example, but you catch my drift).
Long story short, I'm liking the approach the FO is taking to this season. I think it's a good balance of competing now, while not losing sight of the long-term.
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What both Hoyer and Campbell have dispelled, is that we don't have the talent to win. Could we use some upgrades at other positions? Well of course, most every team can. But outside of the QB position, we have the talent here to win.
Amen brother.
Myself and others have been saying it all along.. the notion that we have a ton of holes to fill before we even need to worry about a QB is simply wrong. We do have spots that need to be upgraded to take the next step into deep playoff contender land... but this is a 10 win team waiting for the QB that can get it done.
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What both Hoyer and Campbell have dispelled, is that we don't have the talent to win. Could we use some upgrades at other positions? Well of course, most every team can. But outside of the QB position, we have the talent here to win.
Amen brother.
Myself and others have been saying it all along.. the notion that we have a ton of holes to fill before we even need to worry about a QB is simply wrong. We do have spots that need to be upgraded to take the next step into deep playoff contender land... but this is a 10 win team waiting for the QB that can get it done.
We could start a club. I've been saying it since before Hoyer and Campbell took one NFL snap this year.
The 'we have no talent' mantra is a myth. Every GM is smart (sans Millen) and teams are mostly built the same way. The 'genius' GMs are the ones who inherit a franchise QB or have one fall into their laps.
Every team in the league has holes ... even the ones with Manning, Brees, Brady, Rodgers. They are magnified when you don't have a QB who can cover them up.
And you can't claim that the QB is the most important position on the field ... that the QB elevates everyone's play ... then claim there is no talent when a team has crap at the QB position.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Every team in the league has holes ... even the ones with Manning, Brees, Brady, Rodgers. They are magnified when you don't have a QB who can cover them up.
I will add to that... those QBs are good enough to cover up their own weaknesses AND exploit yours...
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