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Right. But how do we know that Mallett is better than Campbell or Hoyer? You cannot just hand a guy, who has virtually no NFL experience, the job over two guys who have played in and had success in a system. Quote:
You sit a rookie 2-3 years he is the then the same age.
That depends on who you draft. Mariota just turned 20 years old, Manziel will turn 21 in December, Bridgewater is 21, Zach Mettenberger (who is a redshirt senior) is only 22, so is Derek Carr. The only guy that I see that would be that old is A.J. McCarron.
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I agree (coincidentally the same thing was said about Weeden). But we know nothing about how Mallett can play in the NFL. We knew more about Kevin Kolb than we do about Ryan Mallett. We also have two guys under contract for next season that have NFL experience. There is no point in trading for Mallett if you have Campbell and Hoyer on your roster.
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Another problem with Mallett is that he is no longer a young player. He will turn 26 in June. If we get our QB for the future in the upcoming off-season I would prefer that player to be 23 or younger.
the thing is mallet has already done the sitting. he should be ready to go right now. I liked his QB skills in the draft a lot better than anyone coming out this year. AND we don't have to wait 2-3 years to benefit.
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You liked the 74th pick in the 2011 draft better than the projected first round picks from this year? This is a guy that sat around for 60 picks after Gabbert and Ponder were drafted...
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Mallett had character issues.
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if you remember the knock on him wasn't his skill set. it was a between the ears thing.
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With the draftable players at least we can talk to them, put them on the board, and work them out. For all we know Mallett is a dunce and cannot play (i.e. Kevin Kolb).
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I don't see it out of the realm of possibility, that if they see next years draft class at QB as being far better, that we don't enter next season with Campbell/Hoyer as our main two QB's.
I believe if they can land their target, presuming they have one, they will land him. But I don't see them needing to panic just to draft, address the QB position.
What I don't want to see is us end up with one of those mediocre QB who can win 7-10 games a year, but never get you over the top. If need be, I would be fine with waiting another year to insure they get it right.
It seems many feel they'll get a QB "no matter what". While I feel they believe it is far more important to get it right the first time rather than be in a hurry.
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If we pass on a qb in this years draft, we should look into bringing in Jay Cutler. Cutler, Hoyer, and Campbell would be a very solid QB group.
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I really don't see Cutler going anywhere. I believe, and I agree, that this FO wants to find a young QB for the long haul. Heck, I have no idea what they will do.
Cutler will be 31 going into next season and I don't feel they'd want to go in that direction.
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I know his contract status and that would be a factor but I think only to a degree. Lombardi has a strong relationship with Belichick. Belichick would want to make a trade because they would lose him the following year to free agency.
So it is deal that could be done. It really becomes an option only if the guy they want is unavailable.
Belichick will try to get what he can meaning the market will decide fair market value. Banner and Lombardi will decide what they could give up.
Solid point.
I like Mallett and don't consider him a plan B option. He is 6'5" or so, looks lanky but is around 235 lbs. so he is tough as a nut, and yes, he can spin it.
That said, I am leaning towards keeping Hoyer and rolling with him the next 6-7 years. If Mallett is bound to become a free agent, I'd rather pony up more money then release a top pick to get the kid and get him a year later if the Hoyer/Campbell deal doesn't work.....that is if Bellicheck doesn't decide that Brady has diminishing skills and decides to pawn off Brady in favor of Mallett.
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I thought Mallett was the best QB in that draft. There were rumors of drug use and we dont know if they were true or not but he is an option but Campbell could be the guy that locks up this position long term. He is doing a lot of things that I love.
He is getting the ball out quickly. He is spreading the ball around. He has extended plays and he has shown that he can make the throws when the game is on the line. I liked Hoyer as well but Campbell may be our vet QB that glues this team together. His veteran leadership should not be undervalued.
I know everyone thinks weeden is gone but these coaches have gotten their way on QBs and they may think they can repair Weeden.
Now the guy to watch in the draft is McCaron.
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I don't know if it's the fact that I have been out celebrating a friend's new job or, the Miles Davis I'm playing as I read these post. Whatever the case, suddenly tonight I'm willing to consider the possible acquisition of Ryan Malltet as a reasonable option for acquiring a quarterback for the Browns. Thinking about how close the team is to being a regular playoff contender, the FO must consider this closely.
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I don't know if it's the fact that I have been out celebrating a friend's new job or, the Miles Davis I'm playing as I read these post. Whatever the case, suddenly tonight I'm willing to consider the possible acquisition of Ryan Malltet as a reasonable option for acquiring a quarterback for the Browns. Thinking about how close the team is to being a regular playoff contender, the FO must consider this closely.
Which Miles?
Classic 'Cool" era?
Bitches Brew era?
70's Fusion?
80's Electric?
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Classic Cool of course, but I am a Coltrane fan myself. . .not the avant garde / free form stuff from transitions, meditations or ascension, which I find difficult to listen to.
Anyway, I have no idea why some think that Hoyer is the answer after 2 games and a series.....
A realistic assessment puts him at a back up.
Campbell, well we will know more after the season, but if the Browns achieve the unmentionable, then it will be real hard to displace him.
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Hoyer had the benefit of coming in directly after Weeden and winning his first two games against a mediocre defense and a banged-up Bengals defense.
Campbell had the misfortune of being cited as having a "bad attitude", the lousy 4th round drive, playing the Chiefs and Ravens, and following Weeden after Hoyer had already won everyones hearts.
I think Campbell has played better than Hoyer.
The only difference I miss in their games so far is Hoyer utilized Cameron a lot more than Campbell has so far.
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I have no idea why some think that Hoyer is the answer after 2 games and a series.....
Can you name those posters? I haven't really noticed anyone saying he is the answer. However, I think he will get a shot to compete if he is healthy.
I hope we aren't going to have this big divide among qbs. Hmmmmm...I suspect we will. That's how it goes around here.
I think it would be prudent to let it play out and not make any decisions that are set in concrete.
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Just wait until next season when we will be "discussing" (  ) which of our 3 QB's should be the starter. And no, Weeden won't likely be one of them...
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Miles in the background will always make a person thoughtful-
Last night it was "Kind of Blue".
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Belichick let Hoyer go in favor of Mallett. Knowing the way Belichick operates I doubt that Mallett would remain on the team as the second string guy if they thought that Mallett could not get the job done.
I have never said that Mallett will be the choice for the Browns. I said he would be a third option. First option would be the best quarterback in the draft. After that it would depend on who is available when or for how much in trade versus what they would have to trade to get Mallett and how they compare.
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I know its only 2 games but Campbell is playing at an extremely high level. I have been much more impressed with what I saw from Campbell than from what I saw from Hoyer and I liked what I saw from Hoyer. Hoyer provided the spark, Campbell provided the steady hand against a chiefs defense that was playing lights out and a Ravens D that played some good ball also.
I know this sounds silly but I feel he is the perfect guy for this team right now and maybe for a couple more years. We have young and flashy everywhere else, I am supremely happy with steady at the QB position.
Let this line continue to gell. Let Campbell develop his timing with these receivers. Allow this defense to keep you in games and folks I feel we can beat anyone.
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Ballpeen posted this seven posts above your question:
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That said, I am leaning towards keeping Hoyer and rolling with him the next 6-7 years.
I am sure there are others.
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I am still torn about this topic. I guess I won't get mad/upset if htey snag up a QB as priority, or if they put it on the back burner side. I wish we could have witnessed more gameplay from Hoyer. I wish we had more film and action to evaluate him. What does get me mad/upset is the time we wasted playing Weeden both this staff and previous staff. Playing Weeden turned out to be almost a bad decision as it was drafting him.
Lots of calls in Browns Red Zone about this and discussing whether we should focus our 1st round picks on a QB or some other position, or even do more wheeling-n-dealing. Personally, as I said, I am still torn. Hoyer's situation is like a kid and a candy bar. The kid was given all the ingredients, knows what is in the candy bar and is pumped for it, yet he doesn't know how the candy bar taste.
This has to be a tough situation for the front office to make. In any case, I believe they will draft a QB but the question at hand is, in the upper rounds or later rounds? I am all for having as much GOOD and HEALTHY competition at that position which IMO, is the most important position in the game. What I am not for is people like Weeden who comes in, and is just "given" the job. I mean it discredits this staff given they see day in and day out the play of jason, the play of Hoyer and then continues to give first team reps to Brandon. We truly want the "best players" out there and I just can't see, given the play of Brian and Jason, why we have witnessed so much Weeden?
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The Browns had to find out what they had in Weeden.
They found out. Unfortunately it turned out to be "not much".
As far as the draft, I think that we'll target a QB (or maybe 2) and do what we can do to get them. We have the assets to make moves. However, I don't see us giving away everything to get a QB. If we "have to" take exceptional players at other positions instead of a QB, I'll be just fine with that.
I think that we'll wind up looking at a couple of upper level QB who could be 1st round targets, and then a couple of developmental guys who can sit and learn for a couple of years if we can't get one of our top guys.
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I think that we'll wind up looking at a couple of upper level QB who could be 1st round targets, and then a couple of developmental guys who can sit and learn for a couple of years if we can't get one of our top guys.
Jason Campbell is the best starter we've had since the team returned to Cleveland, and that's factoring in his entire career numbers from day 1, not just the two game sample. Sadly, that doesn't make him a franchise QB. It's possible he could be the late-bloomer who turns into a dependable starter in his 30's, much like Testeverde and others, but even if he's just a middling starter, at least he represents a reason not to have to throw a 1st round draft selection at a high-risk guy the way we did with Weeden. I hope the FO keeps their options open as you believe they will. I think the combination of Campbell and Hoyer give us enough flexibility.
For years I've been a proponent of building the teams talent-base up first if there isn't a can't-miss QB sitting there. I'm still of that thinking right now.
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I'm on board with this. We have two guys who have shown(albeit in limited time) they can play at a level, that if we have other pieces we can be competitive and win, which allows some flexibility when it comes to drafting a QB. I trust this regime knows exactly what QB they want in this draft and know exactly what price they are willing to pay for him.
J/C Toad, who do you like at QB in this draft?
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Assuming they all come out. I see guys like Bridgewater and Mariota going in the top 5. Boyd in the middle of the first. I think someone is ganna trade up late in the first for Manziel. I see Carr and Murray going in the 2nd.
Then there's McCarron. A smart guy who's been winning for years. If we could get him with our first 3rd round pick. Let him sit for a year or two. I think we'd be in good hands.
I don't want to touch Mallet. Belichek doesn't trade away good players. If he was good enough he could get 2-3 1sts for Brady and have a starter for the next 10 years.
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I want no part of McCaron, he just screams average to me. I don't think he's going to be terrible, but I don't think he is ever going to be a game changer, right now I think we have two QBs on the roster who are as good as AJ is ever going to be.
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I'm getting ready to jump on the Mettenberger wagon. Given where we'll be drafting, and without trading up, I think he'll be available with one of our 1st round picks. He's a specimen that can chuck the ball. He's big enough to take a hit and doesn't seem prone to stupid mistakes. I think he'd be a good fit in Norv's offense.
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I honestly don't want a 1st round QB. Just because I don't want the pressure of having a 1st round QB on the bench. Not with this fan base.
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I'm getting ready to jump on the Mettenberger wagon. Given where we'll be drafting, and without trading up, I think he'll be available with one of our 1st round picks. He's a specimen that can chuck the ball. He's big enough to take a hit and doesn't seem prone to stupid mistakes. I think he'd be a good fit in Norv's offense.
He looked good in the Bama game for sure, but I can't shake the Weeden feeling I get watching him play.
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J/C Toad, who do you like at QB in this draft?
I've taken some time to watch a couple of these guys, as this was a much ballyhoo'ed draft class with as many as 4 QB's being 1st rounders. The season isn't over and the vids aren't all up yet, but after spending probably 5 or 6 hours watching condensed play, to be honest, I'm not in love with any of them.
I think this is one of the most overly-hyped QB draft classes in recent memory. The best of the bunch is Bridgewater but he's not perfect. Mariota is too young and runs nothing close to an NFL offense, and Manziel, while talented, is small and has major mental issues. He doesn't handle success very well so I have to question how he's going to handle failure.
I'm not at all impressed with this class in terms of seeing a guy that we absolutely need to sell the farm to go get. I can see us taking a 2nd or 3rd rounder on some of these guys like Hundley, Boyd, or Mettenberger (who I don't really care for) but the more I watch this class the less I like.
The guys I've watched the least are Boyd and Carr. After I really dig through their games I'll start to form a stronger opinion. Last year I hated Glennon for a long time, but after spending a couple more hours on him I saw things I liked.
The really tough part today compared to twenty years ago are all the spread offenses. There are 30 QB's in college who can really wing it, but maybe 5 of them translate well to the NFL, and that's damned-hard to sift through.
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Fair enough, I'm sure come February I won't have ask to get your opinion. 
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I'm on board with this. We have two guys who have shown(albeit in limited time) they can play at a level, that if we have other pieces we can be competitive and win, which allows some flexibility when it comes to drafting a QB. I trust this regime knows exactly what QB they want in this draft and know exactly what price they are willing to pay for him.
J/C Toad, who do you like at QB in this draft?
I agree completely. We shouldnt be making deals in the first round to move up in desperation to get a QB. If their target is there when we draft ok. Hoyer and Campbell have proven to be more than competent. But We do need to get some young talent in here to push them next year. I would like for us to get one of the big 3 WRs coming out Evans(my favorite right now), Lee, or Watkins with our first pick, if we are low enough. That would help whoever is at QB. I think our best chances for a QB will be Boyd w/ our colts 1strd pick or Mettenberger in the 3rd. And I hope that they dont play a down the entire rookie season.
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I'm getting ready to jump on the Mettenberger wagon. Given where we'll be drafting, and without trading up, I think he'll be available with one of our 1st round picks. He's a specimen that can chuck the ball. He's big enough to take a hit and doesn't seem prone to stupid mistakes. I think he'd be a good fit in Norv's offense.
He looked good in the Bama game for sure, but I can't shake the Weeden feeling I get watching him play.
Just an observation, I'm in no way impugning your judgment or your character. I other words I'm not inclined to engage in an argument about this.
Most of the QB coming out have significant flaws. Some are correctable some may not be. Mettenberger is a statue. I realize he's a "pure pocket passer" but his lack of mobility is glaring.
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I'm getting ready to jump on the Mettenberger wagon. Given where we'll be drafting, and without trading up, I think he'll be available with one of our 1st round picks. He's a specimen that can chuck the ball. He's big enough to take a hit and doesn't seem prone to stupid mistakes. I think he'd be a good fit in Norv's offense.
He looked good in the Bama game for sure, but I can't shake the Weeden feeling I get watching him play.
Just an observation, I'm in no way impugning your judgment or your character. I other words I'm not inclined to engage in an argument about this.
Most of the QB coming out have significant flaws. Some are correctable some may not be. Mettenberger is a statue. I realize he's a "pure pocket passer" but his lack of mobility is glaring.
he does need help w his footwork. Some peeps on here keep talkn Mallet,but he's a statue as well.
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