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he does need help w his footwork. Some peeps on here keep talkn Mallet,but he's a statue as well.
I think he's mobile enough for play action and rush avoidance. Given his skillset thats all he needs. He's no less athletic than Brady or Manning.
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Fair enough, I'm sure come February I won't have ask to get your opinion. 
Well...maybe before then, and you're right...prolly won't have to ask...unless it's to ask me to shutup 
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After Gabbert and Weeden have flopped horribly in this cruel league, I know you can't wait to hear my take  ...if only to go contrarian. My only "hit" was Ben R., go figure. It's evident what "kind" of QB spec I prefer. That said, I'll probably have to re-evaluate my QBs evaluation. It seems that I've underestimated the style change in the NFL and those pocket types lose value by the day. Only the elite guys have survived it seems. When a guy like T.Pryor is a more efficient QB (we're talking bottom 3rd Tier, but still) than someone like Weeden, then I can only throw up my hands and shake my Head in disbelief after watching them in college. I agree Toad, so far I have not been impressed with this class and I think our best shot at stable QB play Short term is Campbell (continuing) taking this last career chance by the horns and run with it, while taking a calculated chance on a mid round guy (Bortles, Boyd, Murray, Petty). I also like the depth value for guys like Price, Renner or Fales on day 3.
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It is hard to judge this year's QBs. Like you, Toad, and many others.....I have been watching the collegiate QBs closely this year because I really felt we would draft a qb and this class is supposedly very strong.
I am not real high on most of the guys. It's not so much because I think they stink. Instead, it's more because it's so hard to get a handle on them due to the style of offense that most run. Bridgewater and Mettenberger probably run the offenses that most resemble an NFL offense. Hard to get a real read on guys like Mairota, Manzel, Petty, etc. They are one read QBs and don't have to recognize coverages all that much. And reading coverages is huge in the NFL. Heck, most of these guys don't even have to read defenses pre-snap. Spread QBs typically struggle coming into the NFL for those reasons. The problem for us and other NFL teams that need a QB is that most college teams now run the Spread--or at least some version of it.
I think Bridgewater is the safest pick in regards to QBs. He has good pocket presence. He's accurate. He's calm. He can make throws in tight windows. I heard he is intelligent. He is a good teammate. However, he seems to lack "it." I know a few guys have been dismissing the "it" factor on here, but it really is important. You want a guy who can make plays out of nothing and do it in the clutch. I also think he is going to be the first QB taken. I am skeptical of trading two first rounders and others for him.
Mettenberger has the arm. He has the size. He reminds me of Brady in the pocket. Stands very erect. Very tall. Hangs in there. I think he is a knee injury waiting to happen. His legs never give on contact.
Mazel's arm is strong enough. He has more "it" than anyone. He is very accurate. His ability to escape is unmatched. He extends plays. However, I do think he leaves the pocket too early and that could be a big problem in the NFL.
Mariota was getting all the hype as the season wore on. He reminds many of Kapernick. However, I thought he was pedestrian against Stanford. And Stanford gave Mariota the same kind of looks, pressure, and disguises as NFL teams will. He really dropped in my eyes, although his post-season workouts will vault him up most people's board. I would be wary of putting too much stock in those reports.
Boyd has some strengths. I have seen a lot of him because I live in SC. He is athletic and can make most of the throws. He can be accurate. However, he makes bone-headed throws way too often and loses accuracy after being pressured early in the game. His rhythm gets thrown off and he loses that accuracy.
I like Bortles. Saw him play against South Carolina and came away impressed. Strong arm. Pretty accurate, although he sails a few. Big enough. Does well under pressure. The problem is that he has been getting a lot of notoriety lately. He will probably sky rocket up the charts. I was hoping to get him in the 3rd and develop him. First round pick? Uhmmmmm..........not so sure.
McCarron: Forget it. He doesn't have the arm to drive the ball into tight windows and that is a no-no in Cleveland.
The Browns have a tough decision. This is going to be huge to the franchises' success as it moves forward. I think we do not use multiple picks to move up and take a qb.
I think if we really like one of these guys and he is available to us when we pick in the first round, we take him, and then let him develop for a year or two. If all of those guys are gone, I think we take a flyer on a 3rd round guy. I don't think we will reach on a qb in the first if he is not one of the guys we have identified.
I think Campbell and Hoyer go into the camps w/a fairly equal chance to win the job. It appears that most of board thinks Campbell is ahead of Hoyer and that it isn't all that close. I wouldn't be so sure of that.
Campbell is bigger. He has the better arm and is more experienced. He seems to be steady. Hoyer is younger. I think he is the QB the coaching staff and FO prefer. After all, he jumped Campbell when Weeden was injured. I also think he has more of the "it" factor. He makes plays at the end of halves and at the end of games. Big plays that win games.
I am not putting one in front of the other. I am simply saying that it is my belief that we:
--Draft a qb and let him sit behind our incumbents for a couple of years. That means we will probably not take Bridgewater or Mettenberger.
--Hoyer and Campbell go into next season w/an equal shot of winning the job.
--Our QB position is not quite as dire as it appeared just a couple of months ago.
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Well then...there you have it people. Dj, Vers, and myself have consensus that this class isn't all it's cracked up to be. That clearly mean this group will ultimately rival the 2004 class.
At least with Mettenberger you get a guy who plays in an NFL-style offense so it's easier to get a read on him. Early impressions are that he's a one-read QB who either isn't afraid to throw to a receiver who is tightly covered, which can be a good thing, or he's hell-bent on throwing to his first read every time, which is a bad thing. In the two games I've focused on his receivers make a ton of circus catches. His play-action needs work, and I think it's because he's slow and really wants to get to his drop so he can get the ball out. Definitely a plodder, he's a statue back there who is gonna take a ton of punishment. Very poor mobility. I believe Cam Cameron is his coordinator and that lends itself to always having his first read in single-coverage. When that isn't there Met seems to break down and tries to actually run. That's a great indication that he's not adept at going through progressions. When he does it's not to find a secondary receiver, but rather always a checkdown. I don't know if that's how the offense is crafted or if that's just what Met does. While he does make some really good throws he has many throws which aren't NFL-accurate, meaning he has the right guy but the throw isn't on target forcing his receivers to really work. I'm on the fence with him.
It seems as though nobody has watched Carr...feels like he's one of the "name" QB's who is flying under the radar in terms of visibility. Only thing I know about him is that he got mixed up in drugs and came out the other side. Just watched him against Oregon and despite the typical Tecmo-Bowl numbers that most QB's put up today he looked very, very bad. Threw into coverage numerous times just in the first half despite staring right at it. Very disappointing. Will watch some other games in the hopes he shows something more.
Whoops. Must be February.
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I don't watch much college ball. For that reason it's good that someone besides me is in charge of drafting and specifically choosing a QB. The more I read of what you guys say the more confounded I get regarding that position as it relates to this upcoming draft. It seems there are a lof of names being discussed but very few, if any, real NFL prospects.
This FO, Lombardi(?), brought Hoyer and Campbell both into the mix. And both of them prove to have a level of ability and professionalism that appears to trump any QBs we've had here since our return. That's saying a lot because it's been a long, long time that we've paraded QB after QB through these seasons who were all utter failures. Then, in one off season, these guys bring in two QBs who seem worthy of starting, even long term.
Somebody in the "consensus" knows something about evaluating QB skills and it shows. Otherwise how do you explain having two backups who appear to each be starter material? Dumb luck? Hardley.
So my peace lies in the consensus being able to recognize a QB in the draft who fits all the criteria they used on Campbell and Hoyer whom they can groom for the future. And there's no telling what round that guy will be picked. I highly doubt we trade to move up much if at all. With our QB situation at present we're in no dire situation to panic and grab somebody. That's a luxury none of the past regimes enjoyed and these guys created this situation for themselves.
I'm the guy with complete confidence that if there's a viable QB to have in this draft that we'll come up with him without selling the farm.
I relax in that.
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I think Carr suffers from the same disease that his brother, Timid, and Weeden all suffered from. A true lack of ability to read coverages and lack of anticipation.
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--Our QB position is not quite as dire as it appeared just a couple of months ago.
Well done, Vers! Our QB's while not at an elite level, are certainly not a glaring weakness. This draft upcoming, will likely provoke a lot of lively discussion...
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I'm the guy with complete confidence that if there's a viable QB to have in this draft that we'll come up with him without selling the farm.
I relax in that.
'Dub, I wish I shared that confidence, and I don't say that to disrespect this FO. I want more than anything for Campbell to keep doing what he's doing for the rest of the year so that our decision is easier. If he continues to play lights-out, at the very least that'll mean the FO won't feel pressured to burn up the two 1st rounders we have on a guy like Mariota or Bridgewater.
I'm not advocating taking other positions over a QB. I just want them to make the moves which yield the best returns, whether that's a QB who falls into our lap or someone else at another position.
Vers, I gotta watch more on Bridgewater. I've replayed two games and while I see some arm-talent I don't see a can't-miss guy. You talk about having "it" and like you I don't know if I'm seeing that from him. He's the safest guy in this class but he's not perfect. I likely haven't watched more because I don't think we'll be in a position to get him, but I suppose I should (ok, because I really want to ).
Gonna also take long looks at Hundley and Boyd. Hundley has the arm and the wheels but his INT numbers are high.
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I think we actually have almost identical feelings about Bridgewater. We're just communicating them in a different way.
Hundley? I don't think he is ready. He should probably stay in college another year and then come out.
I will be interested to hear your take on Boyd.
ddub: I hear you, but again, I don't think any of us are really bashing this year's quarterbacks. It's more that it is just so hard to evaluate them because of the gimmicky offenses and terrible defenses many of them face. I think it will be hard for our FO--or any FO--to evaluate them, as well.
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--Draft a qb and let him sit behind our incumbents for a couple of years.
There is only one problem with this reasoning. Both Hoyer & Campbell were signed to 2-year deals. This year is year 1 of those deals and next year is year 2. Unless we sign one or both to extensions, any drafted QB won't have the luxury of sitting behind the incumbents for a couple of years.
Both become free agents in 2015.
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Somebody in the "consensus" knows something about evaluating QB skills and it shows. Otherwise how do you explain having two backups who appear to each be starter material? Dumb luck? Hardley.
While that's true: take a look around the league. The rules and the game has evolved into Arena-League football where even sub-par talents can give you impressive stat lines and stretches of games, think Foles, Keenum, McCown, Thad Lewis (or Hoyer, Campbell) etc
To some degree that has "de-valued" the QB position a bit, as you can be competitive with those kind of QBs too. Otoh, WR and CB (and DB in general, esp. FS) play has been kicked up in value imho
I hope we go strictly BPA in the draft, add another top WR and CB talent. Watkins/Evans with our first pick and then Verrett/Dennard with our second 1st, best trenches talent left in the 2nd, then QB and RB in the 3rd. Don't over-draft for need, that's what ruined the Steelers lately, overdrafting underachieveing OTs and taking Leveon Bell in the 2nd when you can find good mid/late round RBs (Ellington, Stacy, A.Morris, L.Miller). "Let the board come to you", I hope they have that slogan too somewhere in Berea
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--Draft a qb and let him sit behind our incumbents for a couple of years.
There is only one problem with this reasoning. Both Hoyer & Campbell were signed to 2-year deals. This year is year 1 of those deals and next year is year 2. Unless we sign one or both to extensions, any drafted QB won't have the luxury of sitting behind the incumbents for a couple of years.
Both become free agents in 2015.
Well, here's a solution to that, Sign them to longer deals
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Everything depends on Campbell. Hell if he continues to play like he has the last couple of weeks, I could see Lombardi and Banner pushing one of those firsts back a year.
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Well then...there you have it people. Dj, Vers, and myself have consensus that this class isn't all it's cracked up to be. Sorry Toad n DJ I only had time to read Vers comments...as much as we fight w/each other I really respect his football and read him usually first.
Actually - Vers did not say that this class isn't all its cracked up to be. He only stated because of the vast use of the spread offense its hard to evaluate these QBs.
LSU QB...I saw him once and I didn't get a good impression of him all be it vs Alabama. But that is how I judge these QBs outside of Technique. How they react in HELTER SKELTER situations which is almost every passing down in the NFL they will be facing Alabama
Look if evaluating was easy there would not be a shortage...10 years ago it was cause colleges were basically heavy run so it was hard to evaluate QBs cause they were very run oriented QBs not throwing. Now its hard to evaluate cause they are all mostly Shotgun w/one RB and a spread offense. Most college defense just are not very special in pass D. CBs are not plentiful so they mostly play Zone. I think what has happened though is you have to take certain variables... Accuracy which does go hand in hand with footwork... I have watched a lot of Manziel and what I see is that Rodgers quality where he throw w/accuracy and velocity by simply dividing his body to where the shoulder n arm will be on target the rest of the body can be going full speed in another direction. This always amazed me with Rodgers.
But I also love to see how they react when things break down. For Manziel he has Matthews protecting him but that is pretty much it. I really like what I see when things don't go right...when the pressure is on.
Also as mentioned we actually are BLESSED  We have found two QBs that can Manage and possibly give a little more to our Offense. So that they can start and probably one of the best TEACHERS to QBs in Norv Turner could teach said College spread offense QB properly and diligently without a NEED to start the QB right away. Plus we will have one of the most awesome Defenses to add to that so that we will be a winning team with the management + QB again relieving the stress to Play said QB before their time.
Now if we can get away with taking a Manziel without trading up w/our first pick the big question is who do we take with the later Colts pick...unless of course we win the SB  then vice versa...
But 20's is where there might be the best OG, best TE, best ILB available. Like do we go for that TE from Texas Tech who I really think will be great and the best tandem TE in the NFL. Do we really need that OG? Do we go for ILB or even RB...Lynch type or Steve Jackson type take late first.
FS??? The key here is if Manziel is coachable...if that is the case combined with sitting and learning and having the best QB tutor around - no doubt in my mind he will be a Superstar within that environment!
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As far back as OTA's knowing the Browns were in trouble with Weeden I started looking at the 2014 quarterback class. I thought going into the season the Browns would draft really high and felt them and the Jags as well as a few others might have a shot at the top pick. At the time Clowney was the top guy.
The first guy I looked at was Bridgewater. I watched 2012 Florida game. I came away thinking "well this guy can throw the ball". Didn't know much about the kid's character, leadership skills, work ethic etc. I am a strong believer in personal quality at QB. At the end of the day you have to lead a group of men and have them believe in you. You have to deliver on the field but you set the example before practice, during practice and after practice. You put in the preparation. You demonstrate commitment.
Since then I have seen him in parts of four games. To net it out I believe he is better prepared to play in the NFL than Griffin was and he is a better passer. Bridgewater has every skill you need to play at the NFL level. I believe he will do very well and would love to see the Brown's somehow land him.
Saw Brett Hundley. He is not ready "yet" for the NFL and would be smart staying in school another year.
Boyd is very inconsistent with accuracy. He pulls the ball down early and looks to run to often. And to me he is just average at best.
Mariota is a young guy with a huge upside. To a degree he is being limited by the offense he runs. I love the way the ball comes out of his hand. His numbers are gaudy. He is a tremendous athlete. I heard Jim Mora say some glowing things about him before the UCLA game. I know very little about his character and work ethic. However, all I have heard coming from people around him is positive. He would be a perfect guy to groom for a year or two under Chud and Norv. They could do wonders with this kid if he comes wanting to be the best he can be.
Johnny Manziel is something else. He can do amazing things at the college level. But at this point I am not at peace with this guy. I will wait to pass final judgement on him as more information comes out about him. He is a risk. The game he plays in college will not work at the NFL level. The question is can he adapt? Is he coachable? Will he do the necessary work to succeed? Those are the questions about him that need to be answered. But, I will say he is magic at the college level.
Mettenberger does some good things. He can throw the ball and he is tough. Long term he could develop into a decent player. His lack of mobility though is a drawback.
McCarron is undervalued by most people. Maybe it is because Alabama is so good and he just wins. He does nothing spectacular but when the game is on the line he makes plays. He doesn't have many "wow" moments. He seems like the type of guy that could become pretty good. Kind of like Alex Smith. Not that his game is similar but the end result may be.
The Browns would do well landing either Bridgewater or Mariota. After that it becomes more of a crap shoot. That is when I think Mallett may come into play. Depending on what it would take to get him. I think Banner/Lombardi will shake that tree.
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I think we actually have almost identical feelings about Bridgewater. We're just communicating them in a different way.
Hundley? I don't think he is ready. He should probably stay in college another year and then come out.
I will be interested to hear your take on Boyd.
Damnit...I'm cursing your name and Bif's...y'all got me all amped up now on looking at the QB's. 
So as in the past when I get hit with insomnia, I have plenty of time to look at vids of players, hehe. I just went through three games of Boyd, twice each game. So...
Yeah, I think we both believe Bridgewater is the clear-cut, safest best #1 guy, though he's not a lock like Luck was to be a star. We prolly don't need to discuss him much, though I always welcome that conversation.
Tajh Boyd. I was intrigued by him last year. I REALLY like him as a developmental guy. I think he's a more electric McNabb, which is the guy he'll be compared to going forward I'd bet. My initial observations are that he played behind a terrible line. He was on the run even when he wasn't on the run, if you catch my drift. He's one slippery dude, and because of that he's going to be able to extend plays in the NFL, ala Ben Rottenberger, though they buy the extra time differently. He's got a very quick release, he throws a tight ball, and he has a live arm. It's more than adequate for the NFL. He even appears to have McNabb accuracy, which is to say it's on target but not exactly pinpoint. Bridgewater has an edge in that department. Tajh has amazing feet in the pocket. He's always in a great position to deliver the ball, and when he gets pressured he can pull it down and take off with the best of them. He does show a natural ability to keep his eyes downfield as he scrambles. In the open field he's going to make the first guy miss. There's tons of raw potential there.
Now for the bad.
Short, he's listed at 6'1. Unless you're in the window of "prototypical QB size" which is between 6'2 and 6'5, college bio's are either going to list you bigger if you're too short, or they are going to list you shorter if you're deemed too tall. If he's listed at 6'1 there's zero chance he comes in at 6'2-1/2, but I will say he's very solidly built for his height. With that footwork and how the NFL is spread out these days, it's easier for guys like him with live feet to learn to find throwing lanes. Learn being the operative word.
The damned sorry line he played behind hinders his ability to make progressions. He's a one-read-and-take-off QB because of the mad pressure he's always under. Taking that a step further, I absolutely hate the spread offense he plays in. The receivers rarely run NFL route-combinations. It's all screens and quick-hitters to guys standing open in zones. There are a few mid-level outs and the occasional bomb, but it's very hard to get a read on how accurate he's going to be in the NFL and how he'll adapt to anticipating receivers coming open. I believe he'll develop that but that offense just makes it hard to say I know he'll develop it.
Boyd is a guy I put in the 2nd round, which probably means some team is going have to buy high in order to secure him which means he's going to follow the path of Campbell and Weeden where they were drafted too high as well. Boyd really is a guy that I think has to sit on the bench for a year and learn what it's like to be an NFL passer. He's got an A arm in terms of strength and release, he's got A+ mobility in terms of footwork, escapability, and speed, and he's got what I feel is A composure. What he doesn't have is any experience in an NFL system. He'll have to learn to take snaps under center, though with his feet it won't be nearly the problem as it was for a stiff like Weeden. He's going to have to learn to anticipate routes instead of waiting for receivers to find "Brady Quinn windows." He's got to learn how to make progressions.
But damnit, his upside and intangibles are off the charts.  I can see him becoming a guy I look at with our Colts pick. Beating up on Citadel won't tell me anything, and at this point unless he lays an egg against South Carolina it's just gonna be more of the same of what he's done this year.
I really dig Boyd. He is one intriguing guy.
Eo, Manziel scares the Hell out of me. He doesn't handle success in college well at all. I fear how poorly he's going to handle failure in the NFL, and away from his family who try to keep him grounded. He's a hella-talented guy but his mind reminds me of Jeff George or Ryan Leaf. That's not character assassination. He's about as loose a cannon as has entered the league in a long, long time.
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I haven't really watched a ton of college football this year, and have no real reason as to why ...... but I get this feeling that we'll take Manziel with either our later 1st round, or 2nd round pick.
No idea why .... just this feeling somewhere inside is telling me this.
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I haven't really watched a ton of college football this year, and have no real reason as to why ...... but I get this feeling that we'll take Manziel with either our later 1st round, or 2nd round pick.
No idea why .... just this feeling somewhere inside is telling me this.
I gotta say...I hope not.
This is gonna get Eo's hackles up...sorry Eo! ...but while there's no denying Maniel is a dynamic playmaker, he's the epitome of "backyard football." He sits back in the pocket forever, as he gets elite protection (sorry again, Eo, hehe) and waits for his receivers to get open either on their own or by buying time with his legs. He throws up a bunch of prayers that are often answered, and his arm strength is not all that. His footwork is poor and lazy, and he relies too much on just making it up as he goes along. All that scrambling around in the backfield will cost his team tons of extra yards.
The team that takes Manziel will have to accept that he's going to be like Vick was early on in his career, where the coaches will be very frustrated because he won't run their offense the way they want it ran, but he'll make many plays with his legs. He's just such a slightly-built guy that the stuff he gets away with in college are things he won't get away with in the NFL, very much like the punishment RG3 has taken.
If he's around outside of the first round, maybe, but I wouldn't want him in the 1st.
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Like I said .... I have no reason for thinking that .... but I do have this feeling that we'll wind up taking him late 1st or 2nd round.
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Perfectly understandable. Taking a guy like him just seems like a "Browns thing to do."
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  lol  just kidding.
Hey to each their own...been watching a lot of him...and in the big games where his team might have lost but JM played pretty darn well. He did not get the protection you are talking about. Maybe against the teams that are nowhere close to being ranked top 40 or so....yeah...I don't look at those too hard.
Footwork...I do agree somewhat, he has to work hard on that to become the best.
and his arm strength is not all that.
What I do know its better than Weedens.
As for extending plays...my goodness you wrote that up as if it was a terrible prowess to have...lol
Love the way you can do that. Its not his fault that his defense requires him to score every possession. He is a little more than school yard. You can describe him however you wish to make your opinion correct...but what I see is a guy who directs the team pre-snap and calling audibles when necessary and knowing where all our. As stated out side of Matthews his Pass protection is not that good. I know what I see. And one good pass protector does not mean much without the unit. Again I'm not talking about when they play NOBODY...I'm talking about Good Teams.
As for waiting for a WR to get open...especially when you can extend plays (why you do so) just like any college QB. But I've seen him hit so many small windows that remind me of what is expected of him on the next level. I think you are just saying words to make your case and not what he actually does. He I know what I saw, one of us is making something up...lol
But I do see him escaping a pocket too soon. Yes he will have to be taught how to make his game conform best to the NFL competition. One of them will be More patient in the pocket...now when its breaking down and to escape in the B gap on Joe Thomas' side
I don't think he will do well if a team will need him to start right away. He will not learn to get rid of the bad habits.
But when I see Norv change the release of Campbell and he reaps the reward as a long time veteran at the twilight of his career...I can imagine the wonders he will do with Manziel.
JMHO...but I know n see a heck of a lot more than you are willing to give me credit for.
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I don't recall insinuating that I think you're a dope. All I'm saying is that I don't agree with you on Manziel.
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Uhhhhh....draft a QB. Campbell is clearly not the guy moving forward. 
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Uhhhhh....draft a QB. Campbell is clearly not the guy moving forward.
throw some receivers in there also... fools don't know how to come back and fight for a ball to help the QB..
Tabor and Scott turner need to go...
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Uhhhhh....draft a QB. Campbell is clearly not the guy moving forward.
throw some receivers in there also... fools don't know how to come back and fight for a ball to help the QB..
Tabor and Scott turner need to go...
They will get new weapons.Getting a real QB though will be the main thing though.
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I don't know about that. I think Hoyer is better than any headed out. At least at the top of the draft. I'd take Aaron Murray in round 2-3
For those disillusioned, Campbell has had stints with 2-3 teams....that wouldn't have happened if he was some stud. He is what he is....a good back-up or low end starter.
If he is on, he is a middle of the road starter. If not, he is the guy off the bench who can give you a gamers chance. This shouldn't surprise anybody.
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I don't know about that. I think Hoyer is better than any headed out. At least at the top of the draft. I'd take Aaron Murray in round 2-3
For those disillusioned, Campbell has had stints with 2-3 teams....that wouldn't have happened if he was some stud. He is what he is....a good back-up or low end starter.
If he is on, he is a middle of the road starter. If not, he is the guy off the bench who can give you a gamers chance. This shouldn't surprise anybody.
They will take a QB.What if Hoyer isn't the same after the injury?..What if he goes down again ? or what if he just stinks? They will cover the bases I'm sure.
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Some good discussion, except for the last couple, which belong in Game Day.
I am a little buzzed and irritated from the game, but will get back to you guys. Let's just keep it real. Again, it's hard to evaluate these guys. No need to get personal. You all are making good points.
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Some good discussion, except for the last couple, which belong in Game Day.
I am a little buzzed and irritated from the game, but will get back to you guys. Let's just keep it real. Again, it's hard to evaluate these guys. No need to get personal. You all are making good points.
I said something that offended you?
I am talking football here....I like Murray but think he can be drafted in round 2-3. People all over the board are saying 2-3-4 QBs will be selected before we draft. I don't think any are worth the price of moving up.....so, I am talking about players who can be had without dumping draft picks.
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No, you did not. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Uhhhhh....draft a QB. Campbell is clearly not the guy moving forward.
throw some receivers in there also... fools don't know how to come back and fight for a ball to help the QB..
Tabor and Scott turner need to go...
I said, for weeks in a row, that we needed a lot of help on offense, and that we would probably see massive changes this off-season ..... and I still believe that. I kind of backed off a bit because we suddenly looked competent ...... but I think that today was a wake up.
Once more I truly believe that we will see us make massive changes on offense, with us looking for a QB, RB, 2 OL, a backup TE, and 1 or 2 WR.
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Im also a big Murray fan.
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You know ..... I have been really thinking about this game .... because it really bothered me a great deal.
The more I think about it, the more I wonder if Campbell is hurting mroe (ribs) than he is letting on. He seemed unwilling to get hit in the pocket. His accuracy was definitely way off. I wonder if his ribs are hurting him more than he has said they are?
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You know ..... I have been really thinking about this game .... because it really bothered me a great deal.
The more I think about it, the more I wonder if Campbell is hurting more (ribs) than he is letting on. He seemed unwilling to get hit in the pocket. His accuracy was definitely way off. I wonder if his ribs are hurting him more than he has said they are?
If he's still hurt to the point he's playing like Weeden he needs to sit and rest. That brings Weeden back and would be as unproductive as Campbell yesterday. Anybody sign Favre yet?
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For all the love Hoyer and Campbell have been getting you might have thought the Browns were a winning team.
Guess what we are 2 games under 500 and a winning season looks like miles of hard road.
Jason Campbell is a journeyman. He showed yesterday why he is a second string quarterback. He has a slow long delivery and he telegraphs every throw. He does not know how to put touch on the ball and is inconsistent with accuracy. That will buy you a second string job every time.
Hoyer was let go in favor of Mallett. He was cut from three teams. He has a career 59.4 % completion rate, 7 TD's 6 int's, and a career 77.4 qb rating.
Yet there seems to be this euphoria like the quarterback position is on solid ground.
Hoyer may still be a surprise but in addition to his career stats he is smaller guy coming off a serious injury.
The draft is still 6 months away and the Browns still face the major task of finding the right guy. Once the regular season is over and draft season begins much will be said about the 2014 qb draft class.
No matter what we think or how we debate the merits of one guy versus another Browns management still has to find a quarterback who can hold down the job and lead this team.
My hope is the Atlanta Falcons. If they can land the first or second pick in the draft order; I think they would welcome the opportunity to trade down.
The Browns would then have a shot at landing the top qb in this draft. I would love to get Bridgewater but I would be very happy with Mariota.
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For all the love Hoyer and Campbell have been getting you might have thought the Browns were a winning team.
Guess what we are 2 games under 500 and a winning season looks like miles of hard road.
Jason Campbell is a journeyman. He showed yesterday why he is a second string quarterback. He has a slow long delivery and he telegraphs every throw. He does not know how to put touch on the ball and is inconsistent with accuracy. That will buy you a second string job every time.
Hoyer was let go in favor of Mallett. He was cut from three teams. He has a career 59.4 % completion rate, 7 TD's 6 int's, and a career 77.4 qb rating.
Yet there seems to be this euphoria like the quarterback position is on solid ground.
Hoyer may still be a surprise but in addition to his career stats he is smaller guy coming off a serious injury.
All this I believe to be true.
You don't get all hyped up on Hoyer based on his performance in two complete games. That's fools gold.
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The draft is still 6 months away and the Browns still face the major task of finding the right guy. Once the regular season is over and draft season begins much will be said about the 2014 qb draft class.
No matter what we think or how we debate the merits of one guy versus another Browns management still has to find a quarterback who can hold down the job and lead this team.
And while I also agree with this, what I don't want to see is some desperation move and this FO get it wrong. And once again, I agree we aren't anywhere near set at the QB position, if given the choice, I'd rather go through another season unsettled at the QB position, than spend three years figuring out we selected the wrong guy and have to go through the process all over again.
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My hope is the Atlanta Falcons. If they can land the first or second pick in the draft order; I think they would welcome the opportunity to trade down.
The Browns would then have a shot at landing the top qb in this draft. I would love to get Bridgewater but I would be very happy with Mariota.
Not sure if I'm in the "either and or crowd" when it comes to this. especially given the cost it would take to acquire them. If they see one or both of them as the complete answer, then fine. If not? That's way too of a high price to pay IMO
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That is a good point on the Falcons....I think you made it elsewhere. QB isn't what they will seek, so they could be a prime trade partner. That is unless they want Clowney.
Clowney messes things up. There is going to be demand from teams to trade up for him, and the more teams seeking to move up, the higher the price goes.
I don't know all the QB prospects and their merits, but I'd be real happy if we could find our guy with an existing pick.
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Remember what we charged the Falcons to move up for Julio Jones? We probably would have to start there ...... 
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It would be just terrific to find a guy who we could get without moving up and trading for. Of course the history of the draft has shown you can get guys all over the board who become great. Wilson, Kaepernick, Brees to name just a recent few.
This draft has some guys that could prove out that will be picked later. But of course the later the pick the greater the odds. Mettenberger, Bryce Perry, AJ McCarron, David Fales, Derek Carr are guys who may surprise. What has often been stated is: " you never know how bad some guys want it".
Clowney has received plenty of hype. He may live up to it. He may not. My opinion is that there are a number of teams looking for their quarterback and in the end quarterbacks will go 1 and 2.
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