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jc. randomly saw this on yahoo.com http://sports.yahoo.com/news/three-reaso...00492--nfl.html | The Cleveland Browns need to inject some life into their moribund quarterback situation. Related Stories Marcus Mariota Would Rather Risk Injury in College Than Possibly Play for 2014 Cleveland Browns Yahoo Contributor Network 2014 Cleveland Browns NFL Mock Drafts (November 22 Edition) Yahoo Contributor Network The Cleveland Browns Are Splintering from Within, and It's Only Going to Get Worse Yahoo Contributor Network 2014 Cleveland Browns NFL Mock3Drafts (December 5 Edition) Yahoo Contributor Network Four Things We Learned from the Cleveland Browns' Loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars in Week 13 Yahoo Contributor Network For 15 seasons, Browns fans have had to watch their team put up losing year after losing year, primarily because Cleveland has never had a franchise quarterback since returning to the NFL in 1999. Tim Couch was supposed to be that guy, but he never panned out, and the quarterback position has been a revolving door of forgettable signal-callers ever since. Luckily for the Browns, the quarterback that could solve all of their problems at that position could Õall right into their laps in the 2014 NFL Draft. That player would be Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel. Manziel, who was the first freshman ever to win the Heisman Trophy when he did so back in 2012, is likely headed to the NFL after his sophomore season with the Aggies. Manziel is projected in most mock drafts to be selected somewhere between fifth and 15th, which is likely right around where the Browns record in 2013 will put them in next years draft. A polarizing figure if there ever was one, Manziel regardless is the player the Browns need to take their offense to the next level, and these are three reasons why: Manziel's Confidence Is Just What The Browns Need While Manziel's sometimes cocky demeanor has seen him get blasted in the media several times over the last two years, the swagger he possesses is something that has not been seen in a Browns quarterback for a very long time. You likely would have to go all the way back to Bernie Kosar to find a Cleveland quarterback that was on par with Manziel from a confidence standpoint. We all know how well Kosar fared during his days with Cleveland, so that makes me optimistic that Manziel could succeed with the Browns, even though he might ruffle some feathers along the way. Manziel's Ability To Rush The Football Would Alter Cleveland's Offense For The Better With an average of just 84.3 rushing yards per game in 2013, the Browns have one of the worst ground games in the NFL this season. Having Manziel on board would likely change Cleveland's rushing attack for the better. Though Manziel is nowhere close to the 1,410 rushing yards he gained in 2012, he still has a respectable 686 yards on the ground this year while averaging 5.4 yards per carry. Just having a player like Manziel in Cleveland's backfield would force opposing defenses to respect the run a little more, which would in turn open up the passing game in a major way. The Browns Won't Have To Throw Manziel Into The Fire A big reason for the woes of the quarterbacks Cleveland has drafted over the last 15 years is that none of them were able to sit back and absorb the Browns' offense in the way that Aaron Rodgers was able to with the Green Bay Packers. Instead Couch, Charlie Frye, Colt McCoy, and Brandon Weeden all made starts in their rookie seasons for one reason or the other, which only served to kill their confidence as they were picked apart on a weekly basis. With the Browns likely returning two decent quarterbacks - Jason Campbell and Brian Hoyer - next season, Manziel would have the rare luxury of being able to fully learn Cleveland's sophisticated passing offense before taking over the reins in 2015 or beyond. Shaun Heidrick is a Yahoo Contributor who has followed the Cleveland Browns for over 25 years. ___________ i dunno about manziel? whats his arm strength like? can he make every NFL throw? can he read defenses? word on the street is he likes to leave the pocket way too early? whats the word on him?
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I'm not really all that qualified to ask, but from what I've seen......
He has enough arm to make all of the throws. He flashes greatness then flashes disaster. He has a cocky air about him. So if people believe that kind of fire is a positive, he has that.
Reading D's? Once again that's very hard to determine on most all college QB's. The O's they play in simply don't require them to do that so you're left wondering if they can or not.
He does leave the pocket early but I have no idea if that is out of impulse or design. We see Braxton Miller do it all of the time and I have come to believe that is out of design.
Wish I had better answers to your questions but I believe a lot is left to the imagination these days on some matters. It's also I believe, why so many QB's these days don't get a huge stamp of approval from fans when considering drafting them. The NCAA game today leaves so many questions unanswered for fans to judge such things.
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So what I gleaned from that article... 1. We need a good QB. Damn! I can't believe we missed that! It's so clear now. 2. Mariotta isn't declaring for the draft because he doesn't want to play for the Browns... 3. Manziel is the best QB for the Browns because he's confident (and no other QB is?) and can run the ball (which has worked out so great thus far). Thanks, Yahoo writer! 
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1. We need a good QB. Damn! I can't believe we missed that! It's so clear now.
2. Mariotta isn't declaring for the draft because he doesn't want to play for the Browns...
3. Manziel is the best QB for the Browns because he's confident (and no other QB is?) and can run the ball (which has worked out so great thus far).
Thanks, Yahoo writer!
Well, it is a fan written article/opinion piece, so don't expect journalistic greatness - or competency.
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I wouldn't touch Manziel until the 4th round.
- His deep passes hang on him. He has arm strength to put good zip on short and intermediate routes. However, his deep passes hang on him or rainbow at times.
- He doesn’t step up to escape blindside pressure. He often plays Madden- runs backwards until he can chuck it deeper than he needs to rather than rolling from pressure or stepping up while still trying to pass.
- He overthrows or throws high a little too often, especially when scrambling. He lets his receivers highpoint the ball, which is good, but often does so at the expense of potential YAC- or leaves his receivers open for big hits.
- Occasionally pulls a Weeden- ie tosses a lame duck pass while under pressure either to throw the ball away or to a RB. Did it twice in two games, once it was incomplete the other time it was a pick.
- Appears to get frustrated with good coverage. When he wants to throw, he’s going to throw. There were times when he would force the ball into coverage rather than trying to run and it led to picks because he doesn’t have the arm strength to force the ball into tiny windows
- Occasionally feels phantom pressure and gets happy feet.
- Runs with the ball far away from his body- so far hasn’t come back to bite him.
- He has a garbage attitude and I don't see him as a leader.
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Only if we could go back in time and get him straight out of Vanderbilt.
Not now.
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Mallet
Not sure I want to dis on Bill. Not sure why they chose Hoyer over him. But, he's not the guy. He's not. Maybe we can hire Romeo and Mangini too.
Once again, your organization has had Brian Sipe and Bernie and that is it. 50 years, fifty freakin years. No quarterback who has ever made it beyond a conference championship. So, we trade for Mallet, a guy who showed that whenever he got into the third quarter in big games, regularly panicked, deconstructed, made repeated major mistakes. Or, we can sign Cutler, for 4-5 times more than he's worth. A guy who has more injuries than touchdown passes, who has a serious blood sugar disorder, who has had issues at every place he's played, with every coach (except Trestman, its early). A guy who isn't as accurate as an elite and doesn't have the decision making ability of one. A guy whose girlfriend dresses him as a british boy band boy toy.
Thats gonna lead the Browns to the Super Bowl? Really?
Championship Quarterbacks come in early and they leave late. They constantly work on their technique and develop their skills where last years weakness is this year's strength. They study film to the extent that they can easily decide where to go with the ball despite shifts and adjustments by the defense they are going against that week. They force their wide receivers to work with them long after practice ends. A championship quarterback does whatever it takes to be successful.
They can walk up to the line of scrimmage, late in the second half, against a top team, and put a ball on the money, through a tight window, to the best option.
Are you guys telling me that Cutler or Mallet have changed from who they are? Give me the inside info.
Cutler, Mallet, McCown, Carr, Boyd, Murray, you know it all sounds good unless you have watched these guys play. When you watch a quarterback play, repeatedly, over a course of years, eventually you can see if he has what it takes to be an NFL Championship quarterback.
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I had to open the link to get to this link just to see if that was something he said or something a writer hypothesized.. it was the latter.. Mariota was probably going to a bad team, if he's good next year he will still go to a bad team... that is the downside to being a great college football player, the better you are, especially at certain positions, the more likely you will be taken by a bad team...
And as DJ pointed out, the Browns are in a good position to make a run if with decent QB play..
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Do you mean to imply that if we were to get paid, we'd become instant experts (and have the cash to boot)? Where do I sign up? 
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But, fact is, if some NFL Team was willing to pay you do to the drafting, it probably means you are considered an expert, So in a way, it's right to say if you got paid, you'd probably be an expert. At least someone would think so....LOL
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Do you mean to imply that if we were to get paid, we'd become instant experts (and have the cash to boot)? Where do I sign up?
that's what the words he used say, but I'm pretty sure that's not what he meant exactly LOL
But, fact is, if some NFL Team was willing to pay you do to the drafting, it probably means you are considered an expert, So in a way, it's right to say if you got paid, you'd probably be an expert. At least someone would think so....LOL
Try me!!! I promise I won't draft a PK in the 1st round....or an OG in the top 5, or a QB in the 6th unless he is a Brady clone.
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that's what the words he used say, but I'm pretty sure that's not what he meant exactly LOL
But, fact is, if some NFL Team was willing to pay you do to the drafting, it probably means you are considered an expert, So in a way, it's right to say if you got paid, you'd probably be an expert. At least someone would think so....LOL
Try me!!! I promise I won't draft a PK in the 1st round....or an OG in the top 5, or a QB in the 6th unless he is a Brady clone.
LOL A real expert would never say never. Because you never know when the next HOF Kicker will come out and your team is in need.
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j/c Here is name I am starting to hear more...Blake Bortles. Has anyone seen this kid in a game? Can watch play in the TOSTITOS FIESTA BOWL January 1. Blake Bortles Highlights
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that's what the words he used say, but I'm pretty sure that's not what he meant exactly LOL
But, fact is, if some NFL Team was willing to pay you do to the drafting, it probably means you are considered an expert, So in a way, it's right to say if you got paid, you'd probably be an expert. At least someone would think so....LOL
Try me!!! I promise I won't draft a PK in the 1st round....or an OG in the top 5, or a QB in the 6th unless he is a Brady clone.
LOL A real expert would never say never. Because you never know when the next HOF Kicker will come out and your team is in need.
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I think you missed the "What we simply can't do" part.
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What do folks know of Keith Wenning from Ball State?
I see that he's putting up sick numbers - Top 10 in yards, 34TD and only 6 INT all season.
He's 6' 3", 22 - plenty big enough and from what I can gather he has a big arm.
Is his biggest knock that he plays in the MAC??
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I just watched Bortles against Penn State. And then watched Derek Carr against Nevada.
In watching them that close together the one thing that stands out in comparing them is the release of Carr. He is much faster than Bortles.
His release is faster and he is faster. Carr has all the physical tools you look for. He has good size. He has quick feet. He can set up quickly and get the ball out very fast. He has excellent arm strength.
This really the first time that I have checked him out and it was only one game. So the sample size is small. All of the questions on leadership and the mental aspects of playing I have not seen enough to judge.
But from pure physical tools he has them.
Bortles is a big tough physical player but he does not have the athletic talent of Carr.
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Here is name I am starting to hear more...Blake Bortles. Has anyone seen this kid in a game? Can watch play in the TOSTITOS FIESTA BOWL January 1.
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I've wrote about Bortles so many times on here it ain't funny. Pretty sure I was the first guy to bring him up.
Saw him as a great third round prospect. I would not draft him in the first. That's not as much of a knock on him as it is the system that overrates QBs more and more every year. Chumps like Weeden, Gabbert, Ponder, etc make their way into the first round when they would have been decent picks in rounds 3-4.
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Here is name I am starting to hear more...Blake Bortles. Has anyone seen this kid in a game? Can watch play in the TOSTITOS FIESTA BOWL January 1.
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I've wrote about Bortles so many times on here it ain't funny. Pretty sure I was the first guy to bring him up.
Saw him as a great third round prospect. I would not draft him in the first. That's not as much of a knock on him as it is the system that overrates QBs more and more every year. Chumps like Weeden, Gabbert, Ponder, etc make their way into the first round when they would have been decent picks in rounds 3-4.
Sorry Vers I didn't see. I didn't go back far enough! I guess it pays to read post more often!! I really did mean to state I was initial poster on this guy. I simply was curious why this guy all of a sudden started appearing on major draftnik's blogs.
Third or Fourth? Hmm, I heard nothing on this guy all of a sudden I see several sites talk about. If the kid does well in his bowl game, I bet his stock rises fast.
I'll go look at your old post.
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I just watched Bortles against Penn State. And then watched Derek Carr against Nevada.
In watching them that close together the one thing that stands out in comparing them is the release of Carr. He is much faster than Bortles.
His release is faster and he is faster. Carr has all the physical tools you look for. He has good size. He has quick feet. He can set up quickly and get the ball out very fast. He has excellent arm strength.
This really the first time that I have checked him out and it was only one game. So the sample size is small. All of the questions on leadership and the mental aspects of playing I have not seen enough to judge.
But from pure physical tools he has them.
Bortles is a big tough physical player but he does not have the athletic talent of Carr.
Thanks! I was wondering how he compared to Carr. From reading, it seems he compares to Carr.
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I've posted several times on Bortles, bugs. I'm not sure which threads those posts are in. There's probably a couple in the Tailgate section that have to do w/QBs.
Some of them are old. Like I said earlier, I saw him early in the year and started talking about him. It was my hope that we could get him in the 3rd or 4th, but I did say he probably would shoot up the charts.
It's almost a given that he will be a first round pick. Not sure how I would feel about that. I think that might be a bit high for him, but that doesn't mean I don't think he has a chance of being very good.
That's the tough thing w/most of these QBs. They have a chance, but they also have a lot of questions. It's a tough year to evaluate QBs.
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Sorry Vers I didn't see. I didn't go back far enough! I guess it pays to read post more often!! I really did mean to state I was initial poster on this guy. I simply was curious why this guy all of a sudden started appearing on major draftnik's blogs.
Third or Fourth? Hmm, I heard nothing on this guy all of a sudden I see several sites talk about. If the kid does well in his bowl game, I bet his stock rises fast.
I'll go look at your old post.
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I really did not mean to state I was initial poster on this guy. I simply was curious why this guy all of a sudden started appearing on major draftnik's blogs.
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Bortles was playing in relative obscurity at UCF. They won some games against weak -to-middling competition. Bortles numbers were good.
They played S. Carolina and Bortles played very well. I watched that game mostly because I live in Columbia, SC. I came away very impressed w/Bortles. He displayed accuracy, toughness, leadership, and some mobility in the pocket. He had a few high throws, but he made a lot of good ones. UCF was leading at half time and Spurrier just pounded them on the ground in the second half. UCF didn't get as many opportunities in the latter half, but they still played a good game and got the nation's attention. It was after that Carolina game that I first posted about Bortles.Great size, more mobile than he looks, accurate, leader, strong arm, poise.
Well, UCF keeps plowing through their schedule and then they play Louisville. Announcers are comparing Bortles' stats w/Bridgewaters'. UCF wins and I think Bortles leads a late TD to win the game.
He now has the attention of almost all draft enthusiasts. UCF is ranked and he starts getting more notoriety. They play in some tight games and he leads them to late TDs. Now, people are taking a closer look and seeing that he has good measurables and also seems to possess some intangibles.
It's not exactly....BOOM-----but Bortles shoots up the charts rather quickly after being an obscure guy early in the year. This sounds bad, but I was hoping that UCF would lose some games and that Bortles' supporting cast let him down, thereby keeping him in that third round. Didn't happen and he may have risen up the charts anyway.
At least that is my take on how this went down, bugs.
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Thanks Vers! I did go back and read some of your early posts. I will have to watch the Tostitos bowl for sure. I'm always skeptical when it comes to small schools. UCF dose play well know teams every year, so I am glad someone here got a look. Kid caught my eye reading his bio. I never like pigeon holing saying he looks like so and so. He does have similar dimensions as Big Ben. Your assessment stating he is a quick throw and accurate is intriguing. Actually, if memory serves me well, isn't that how they scouted Big Ben? Ben came out of no where with Steelers drafting mid first round. I'll stop there. Browns sucked for so long I'm starting to see mirages!!!! 
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With Mariota and Petty staying in school, Mettenberger being injured and Boyd and Hundley playing themselves into more questions than answers, it's left the QB class behind Bridgewater thin at the top.
It would not surprise me one bit to see Bortles be the #2 QB off the board behind Bridgewater and ahead of Manziel. He certainly has all the physical size and ability attributes you want from a franchise NFL QB and has put up both the #s and the intangible come-from-behind wins at UCF. He reminds me a ton of Ben Roethlisberger honestly. If he declares I don't see any way he'd last until our Indy pick in the 1st and QB is such a need I'd be fine taking him with our first pick. Let him battle Hoyer and Campbell next year and whoever wins wins. If he does great, if not let him sit a year or two.
If we're talking about losing out on Bridgewater/Bortles/Manziel with our first pick and we're looking to get somebody later....then I think we can move to looking at one of Derek Carr or David Fales. The other guy who doesn't have all the "measurables" but I fully expect to rocket up certain teams' boards and would love us to consider is AJ McCarron.
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With Mariota and Petty staying in school, Mettenberger being injured and Boyd and Hundley playing themselves into more questions than answers, it's left the QB class behind Bridgewater thin at the top.
No, I think Bridgewater was the only one ranked as a "sure thing." There are numerous options below each bringing a "specialty."
As Vers noted, it is hard rating QB's because of systems they play. Guys playing in spread systems seem to transition slowly. If you rate this class compared to the last few years (other than Luck and RG iii), you have better odds succeeding with multiple QB. Last year you were basically looking at Geno Smith and E. J. Manuel.
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My point was not that there aren't any good QBs to be had after Bridgewater, but more to the fact that it's easy to see how Bortles could now be considered the #2 QB in the draft behind only Teddy.
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Just something to consider, most good QBs come from either a big school or a small school. It's basically like 50/50. There seems to be no QB school unfortunately.
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I thought Gruden University had cornered the market on QB schools.
Oddly enough I just found out Gruden was backup QB for University of Dayton.
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At this point I think Kirk Cousins should enter this discussion. He has played well when given the opportunity. He could probably be had for a third or second round pick. Maybe some combination deal like a third and sixth.
In any case Washington needs picks and are shopping him for picks.
Prior to recent history quarterbacks usually served a one or two year apprenticeship in the NFL. Then they got their chance to start. For most prospects that is probably the best case scenario.
Cousins has shown he can lead a team. He falls into the same bin as Schaub, Cassell, Mallett, Romo and others.
If they do not feel strongly about anybody other than Bridgewater that may be the road to take.
Just another consideration. I would rather take a shot at a guy like Cousins who would not be a major investment than reach for a quarterback out of need like the Weeden pick.
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At this point I think Kirk Cousins should enter this discussion. He could probably be had for a third or second round pick. Maybe some combination deal like a third and sixth.
I read last week that Shannahan thought he could be worth a first.... still interested??
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At this point I think Kirk Cousins should enter this discussion. He could probably be had for a third or second round pick. Maybe some combination deal like a third and sixth.
I read last week that Shannahan thought he could be worth a first.... still interested??
there's going to be teams that look at kirk cousins like they did Flynn.
i hope to god it isn't us.
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Of course that is what anyone in his position would say. The reality is Fair Market Value. A second would be the absolute ceiling.
I am not saying that he is option I would take. I am saying he should be in the discussion.
So much depends upon the end draft order and who is taken.
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At this point I think Kirk Cousins should enter this discussion. He could probably be had for a third or second round pick. Maybe some combination deal like a third and sixth.
I read last week that Shannahan thought he could be worth a first.... still interested??
If the Colts make a deep playoff run, that pick becomes more of an option.
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Cousins has shown he can lead a team. He falls into the same bin as Schaub, Cassell, Mallett, Romo and others.
After saying something like this you still want him because?
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This what I wrote:
I am not saying that he is option I would take. I am saying he should be in the discussion.
So much depends upon the end draft order and who is taken.
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At this point I think Kirk Cousins should enter this discussion. He has played well when given the opportunity. He could probably be had for a third or second round pick. Maybe some combination deal like a third and sixth.
In any case Washington needs picks and are shopping him for picks.
Prior to recent history quarterbacks usually served a one or two year apprenticeship in the NFL. Then they got their chance to start. For most prospects that is probably the best case scenario.
Cousins has shown he can lead a team. He falls into the same bin as Schaub, Cassell, Mallett, Romo and others.
If they do not feel strongly about anybody other than Bridgewater that may be the road to take.
Just another consideration. I would rather take a shot at a guy like Cousins who would not be a major investment than reach for a quarterback out of need like the Weeden pick.
Is Cousins a Free Agent next year? I thought not.
If I'm the Redskins, I look at the facts right in front of me.
1. You may or may not have an Elite QB (love that word) in RGIII
2. In Cousins, you have at a minimum, a competitive guy with good skills that the team follows
3. You are probably going to either get rid or or lose Shanahan so that means another coaching regime.
myself,, those facts alone tell me to maintain the status quo with both Cousins and RGIII.
But for arguments sake, let's say that Snyder gets a bug up his butt and wants to take all distractions away from RGIII and just put the franchise in his hands with a new coaching staff.
What would you give up for Cousins knowing he could be another Matt Schaub or Flynn type guy.. or are you going to get Drew Brees?
If you aren't as sure as you can be that it's Drew Brees, why do it?
I say all of this not really knowing what Cousins is. Just asking
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Cousins has shown he can lead a team. He falls into the same bin as Schaub, Cassell, Mallett, Romo and others.
After saying something like this you still want him because?
I'm not even sure how all of those guys ended up in the same "bin"...
Romo has proven he can play at a very high level over a number of years, he just seems to make bonehead plays at all the wrong times... and Dallas is a bit of trainwreck in other areas..
Schaub has shown similarly that he can play well but had a historically bad year this year similar to what Eli is doing.
Not sure how Mallett has shown he can lead in team with his 10 attempts in 3 years....
Cassel was a one hit wonder who played ok in one season with KC then he disappeared..
I'm not sure how you compare Cousins to any of them.... Right now, Cousins, and his 118 attempts, is somewhere between Matt Flynn coming out of Green Bay who looked great in limited action and Brian Hoyer, who also looked really good in about 2.1 games....
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I'm not even sure how all of those guys ended up in the same "bin"...
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Because they were all second string players. Their capabilities as starters were unknown. Romo got his chance with his team after the starters failed. Cassell and Schaub got traded and then started.
Mallett may well follow the same path that Cassell did.
These guys were all drafted with the starters already in place.
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Ok, If they are in the bin because of situation and not because of talent I understand... just noticed some significant differences in them. 
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...ering-nfl-draftTeddy Bridgewater still 'undecided' Louisville junior quarterback Teddy Bridgewater said he is "undecided" whether to return for his senior year and will make the decision following the Cardinals' bowl game. "I've been hearing all these stories that I've made a decision -- I haven't made a decision," Bridgewater said Monday. "I will talk to my mom and the coaches before making my decision. I'm not leaning either way." SportsNation: Will Bridgewater declare? SportsNationTeddy Bridgewater says he hasn't decided on declaring for the 2014 NFL draft. Will he? How good would he be? Vote! Bridgewater is the No. 1-rated quarterback prospect by ESPN's Todd McShay, and the No. 8 player overall. Bridgewater said he's not leaning either way, but admitted he's been paying close attention to the other quarterbacks that have decided to remain in school or declare early. He will decide on his future "hopefully three-to-four days after" Louisville's Russell Athletic Bowl against Miami on Dec. 28 in Orlando, Fla., when he is "comfortable" with his decision. He is not going to set a specific deadline. "Whenever I feel comfortable after discussing it with my mom, my family and my coaches," he said. Bridgewater will graduate Thursday with a degree in sports administration. He's the first member of his family to graduate from college. "It's not a hard decision at all," said Bridgewater, who turned 21 last month. "I know I control my future and my own destiny." Bridgewater said he has not yet had any discussions about his future with Louisville coach Charlie Strong or offensive coordinator Shawn Watson. He said the main reason for returning for his senior year would be "playing in a new conference against better talent and being able to play another year with guys I've had great relationships with at Louisville." Louisville moves to the ACC next season, after spending Bridgewater's last three years in the American Athletic Conference and Big East. Bridgewater's main reason for declaring early for the NFL? "I can finally say I reached my ultimate goal and it would change my mom's life (financially)," he said. "I can make an impact on my environment, where I grew up in Miami, showing there's no restrictions what you can reach. That someone from the same neighborhood can make it out." Bridgewater added that whatever NFL team has the first pick for next year's draft will not impact his decision. He added that whenever he leaves college for the NFL, he wants to be able to say, "I was able to leave college a better person than when I came to college." ________ i translated that to = he doesn't wanna play for houston.
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