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He'll come out. He would be foolish not to.
A couple of people have mentioned that he is saying this because he doesn't want to play for certain organizations. I don't buy that. If anything, it might be to gauge interest in where he will be drafted.
I am excited to see that he isn't being touted as the first overall pick. McShay has him 8th. Kiper had him around 4th. If true, that is fantastic news for us. I really like this kid as a QB. In fact, he is the only QB I would feel really comfortable taking in the first round and it would be great if we didn't have to move up in the draft to do it.
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Is he that good or is he just the best that may come out this year?
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A couple of people have mentioned that he is saying this because he doesn't want to play for certain organizations. I don't buy that. If anything, it might be to gauge interest in where he will be drafted.
I am excited to see that he isn't being touted as the first overall pick. McShay has him 8th. Kiper had him around 4th. If true, that is fantastic news for us. I really like this kid as a QB. In fact, he is the only QB I would feel really comfortable taking in the first round and it would be great if we didn't have to move up in the draft to do it.
yea they had him ranked as the 8th best player in the draft.
the problem? the teams ahead of us need a QB first, just like us. i don't see houston, currently holding the #1 pick, rolling with that keenum kid.
here's the drafting order as of now:
1. Houston Texans - 2-12 (.554)
2. St. Louis Rams (via Washington Redskins) - 3-11 (.514)
3. Jacksonville Jaguars - 4-10 (.496)
4. Oakland Raiders - 4-10 (.504)
5. Cleveland Browns - 4-10 (.527)
6. Atlanta Falcons - 4-10 (.558)
7. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - 4-10 (.576)
so we have 4 teams ahead of us, 3 most likely wanted to take a QB, with even the rams potentially looking at one since they feel bradford has underwelmed and is injured.
i could see us trading up with st. louis though for the #2. but what would be the point? houston needs a QB. teddy bridgewater is the 8th best player, but he is the top rated QB.
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they got him ranked the 8th best player, but the top ranked QB coming out this year, that was even before mariota and others decided to stay in college another year.
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they got him ranked the 8th best player, but the top ranked QB coming out this year, that was even before mariota and others decided to stay in college another year.
So, is he that good, or simply the best QB that may come out?
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i could see us trading up with st. louis though for the #2. but what would be the point? houston needs a QB. teddy bridgewater is the 8th best player, but he is the top rated QB.
someone mentioned it in the Cutler thread and it is very true. if we want a shot at Bridgewater, then we need to hope that Houston thinks they can rebound next year for a Superbowl run by signing Cutler. they would then be auctioning off Teddy (or taking Clowney, but I think there's a very high chance they'd auction the pick).
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That depends on how you look at it. If people are wanting to wait for the next "Andrew Luck"? It may be another decade before we even see another Andrew Luck, much less be in the position to draft him when that happens. As of now, Jameis Winston is the closest thing out there to a "sure thing" as it appears today. He's a freshman this year. When will he come out and where will we be in the draft order when he does declare? So with that in mind, what you have to do is count on your talent evaluators to draft the right kid. I would be willing to bet big bucks that there will be a couple if not more QB's in this draft that turn out very well. As Vers, myself and some others have noted, with the way college O's are run today, it makes it very hard for us as fans to evaluate how they will transition to the NFL. That's why those within NFL FO's make the big bucks!  If people are waiting on the sure bet? Get your coats ready because hell may freeze over first! As with every other FO that has been here, it's resting on their shoulders to evaluate QB's and get this right. They too will be judged on getting us a franchise QB. But as a fan base we must realize we don't have that ability. I'm not advocating they put a huge investment in someone they don't believe in, but we must also consider that QB's are always "over drafted". If a QB is rated as the "8th best player in the draft", but also rated "the best QB in the draft", he won't be there at #8. I see potential for a few QB's in this draft to become great. But potential won't buy you a ham sandwich if they don't develop. Point being, it's up to those in charge to tell the difference. Same as it ever was..... JMHO
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He's the best coming out, but he's not in the same class of prospects as Luck. Bridgewater has everything you want in a franchise guy in terms of demeanor and passing ability, but he does have a couple of questions. Basically saying he isn't the prototypical prospect. Think of him as an Eli Manning level of prospect.
He's clearly head-and-shoulders above anyone else in this class.
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He's the best coming out, but he's not in the same class of prospects as Luck. Bridgewater has everything you want in a franchise guy in terms of demeanor and passing ability, but he does have a couple of questions. Basically saying he isn't the prototypical prospect. Think of him as an Eli Manning level of prospect.
He's clearly head-and-shoulders above anyone else in this class.
So let's say you have the 1st pick in the draft and you need a QB, would you take him?
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He's the best coming out, but he's not in the same class of prospects as Luck. Bridgewater has everything you want in a franchise guy in terms of demeanor and passing ability, but he does have a couple of questions. Basically saying he isn't the prototypical prospect. Think of him as an Eli Manning level of prospect.
He's clearly head-and-shoulders above anyone else in this class.
So let's say you have the 1st pick in the draft and you need a QB, would you take him?
I think you have to. The question becomes what would you be willing to give up to move up and take him and if you have the first pick, would you entertain offers... Like 2 years ago, I seriously doubt that the Colts even listened to offers or entertained the idea of taking anybody else. I know they said they were debating between Luck and RGIII but I bet that was a quick debate.
If I had the #1 overall pick, I would take him if I didn't get an absolutely huge offer, but I would listen to offers.
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He's the best coming out, but he's not in the same class of prospects as Luck. Bridgewater has everything you want in a franchise guy in terms of demeanor and passing ability, but he does have a couple of questions. Basically saying he isn't the prototypical prospect. Think of him as an Eli Manning level of prospect.
He's clearly head-and-shoulders above anyone else in this class.
So let's say you have the 1st pick in the draft and you need a QB, would you take him?
I think you have to. The question becomes what would you be willing to give up to move up and take him and if you have the first pick, would you entertain offers... Like 2 years ago, I seriously doubt that the Colts even listened to offers or entertained the idea of taking anybody else. I know they said they were debating between Luck and RGIII but I bet that was a quick debate.
If I had the #1 overall pick, I would take him if I didn't get an absolutely huge offer, but I would listen to offers.
Probably right.I only ask because I went to watch some vid on him. He looks talented but not like an Andrew Luck or even RGIII. I keep thinking that Ryan Leaf looked good too. So did David Klingler.
I keep thinking he's the best this draft may have to offer, but is he good enough?
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he's not Andrew Luck, but no prospects since Peyton were either or Elway before him. They are basically once-in-a-decade guys.
whether or not Teddy is "good-enough" won't be known until we see him play in the NFL. I think he's worthy of the #1 selection. I'm not sure how much I'd be willing to give up to go get him (which is the only discussion worth having in respect to the Browns). If Houston goes w/ Cutler in FA (long-shot), then they might be willing to deal. But, it'd take AT LEAST both our 1st rounders and next year's 1st round pick + lower picks. I personally think it's worth the risk, but I can see why many would be skeptical.
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He is going to graduate so I would be confident in saying he will come out. Graduating and being a top five pick; doesn't seem like there is much left for him to do in college.
I really like Bridgewater alot. This year I have watched more college football than ever before. Every game that Bridgewater has played in that was on TV, I watched.
He is a pure natural passer of the ball. Love his instincts, and his ability to keep his vision downfield. Knows how to throw the ball with necessary touch when required. He is very advanced in the finer aspects of playing quarterback. Knows who to throw too and when. Great kid, great character, shows leadership. In my book he is one of very few college quarterbacks who come to the NFL ready to play at the NFL level.
It would make me a very happy individual if somehow some way next year he is sporting a Browns uniform.
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That is really expensive.
Hey, sorry but like I've said (repeatedly) I've been kicking the dog for 50 years for a franchise QB, and I'm not *&%$# ing around.
I say suck for Mariota/Winston, throw in the towell, tank it, you name it. Flat out fix the whole season before giving up that much for Bridgewater.
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The article mentioned he's graduating. He can still play even though he has completed his degree?
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j/c but this morning I was thinking about the RG3 circus going on right now in Washington. and the thought popped in my head what if they have found a trade partner for him, and they are resting him so he doesnt get injured. and what if a certain head coach used to have a player of simular play style, and a Owner who wants to make an impact. basically what if the reason RG3 is benched is because an off season trade has been worked out with the Browns where we use both 1st round picks to aquire RG3 from the Deadskins.
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No chance they are tradeing RG3. So speculative. They spent so much to get him and he's had 1 good year and 1 not so good year (following a major injury). He's not going ANYWHERE.
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I say suck for Mariota/Winston, throw in the towell, tank it, you name it. Flat out fix the whole season before giving up that much for Bridgewater.
There are good enough QBs other than Teddy to take as long as he sits & learns without being thrown into the frey too early.
I'm all for keeping Hoyer, getting a guy in free agency or via trade AND drafting a guy.
I'd be cool w Cutler in f.a. (Please save long discussions for the Cutler thread) or trading for Cousins or Mallet.
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I say suck for Mariota/Winston, throw in the towell, tank it, you name it. Flat out fix the whole season before giving up that much for Bridgewater.
if we tank next season for Winston who may not even come out, then we may end up paying a bigger price than what I had said. we may completely turn off our remaining players and lose a bunch of them or have them develop terrible habits (I do believe that losing is a habit and it's hard to break it).
I'm not messing around either. that's why I'd give up those picks for Bridgewater and move forward. I'm done waiting to win. We have a good enough corps of a team to win now. Let's go get some of the lower profile positions bolstered in FA (OG, S, keep Mack & Ward, give a couple fliers at WR) and go out and take the friggin' NFL by storm.
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Any thoughts of me ever supporting this FO would be immediately dead, forever, because they would have proven themselves to be complete maroons.
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He's the best coming out, but he's not in the same class of prospects as Luck. Bridgewater has everything you want in a franchise guy in terms of demeanor and passing ability, but he does have a couple of questions. Basically saying he isn't the prototypical prospect. Think of him as an Eli Manning level of prospect.
He's clearly head-and-shoulders above anyone else in this class.
So let's say you have the 1st pick in the draft and you need a QB, would you take him?
Yep, you wouldn't have a choice.
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I wanna get back to the discussion on whether or not Bridgewater is really that good or just the best of the bunch.
First off, as Pit alluded to, it's kinda crazy to compare any qb to Luck. He was the best QB prospect to come out since Elway. He was rated even higher than Manning. It's unfair to compare any QB to Luck. So, we all should probably cool it w/that comparison.
Secondly, like Pit said..........this crop of QBs are really hard to evaluate. This is due to them mostly playing in the Spread offense. They don't make many reads and aren't asked to go through their progressions. However, Bridgewater does not fit into that category. I think he is NFL ready.........right now. He is very intelligent and he does read defenses and coverages.
Next, Bridgewater really is that good. He has a good arm. He is extremely accurate. He throws darts and w/touch. He is an intelligent QB. Great citizen. He is calm under pressure. He can buy time w/his feet. He is a way better prospect than any QB who came out last year and is a solid prospect in any draft. I would prefer him over RGIII. And I certainly prefer him over Mariota. That guy is vastly overrated. He does not read coverages well. He gets confused.
If we are fortunate enough to have a chance at nabbing Teddy, we should certainly do it and I will be disappointed w/this FO if they do not take him---again...if he is available.
In summation, in my eyes, Bridgewater is w/out a doubt the best QB prospect in this draft but also would be a very good prospect in any draft. I really don't think this kid is getting the respect he deserves.
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I just read a mock on a blog by Peter Smith that had us taking Brett Smith QB out of Wyoming with the 5th pick. What? Who?
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I only saw part of one Wyoming game this year, vs. San Jose St to watch Fales. I remember thinking he was playing better than Fales (and that he was a good athlete), but I saw that as more of an indictment of Fales than saying something good about Smith. I thought he did OK but didn't see anything special, but like I said that was just part of one game.
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I haven't watched the guy.
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Steve.............you don't like Fales?
You are one of the guys who I really respect on here. You called A. Bryant. That was unreal!!!!
I watched the Fresno St./San Jose St game to see Carr. I came away really impressed w/Fales.
I made a couple posts about the guy. I thought he was bigger than 6'2". He looked 6'4" to me. He was extremely accurate. His arm was much stronger than the reports indicated. He was mobile in the pocket and even made some nice runs for first downs. He read the coverages. Made good decisions. I was really impressed and think he would be a great pick in the 3rd round.
I would be interested to hear your take on him. I only saw him that one game. Thanks in advance.
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I've never seen him play but I've also never heard his name until now. Though I'd never heard Tony Romo's name either coming into that draft. From my reading it looks like Smith is a highly thought of kid. Could be one of those small school wonders. Just not sure if I want to take that chance with the 5th pick.
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Me either.
Thanks for the info, though. I'll have to check this kid out.
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I'd say watch their bowl game but they aren't playing in one. 
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You are one of the guys who I really respect on here. You called A. Bryant. That was unreal!!!!
I watched the Fresno St./San Jose St game to see Carr. I came away really impressed w/Fales.
I made a couple posts about the guy. I thought he was bigger than 6'2". He looked 6'4" to me. He was extremely accurate. His arm was much stronger than the reports indicated. He was mobile in the pocket and even made some nice runs for first downs. He read the coverages. Made good decisions. I was really impressed and think he would be a great pick in the 3rd round.
I would be interested to hear your take on him. I only saw him that one game. Thanks in advance.
I saw a couple of his games after last season online when he was being talked up as a 1st rounder for this year and didn't like his arm. I only got to see the part of the one game this year and still have SDSU/Fresno St on my DVR (haven't gotten to it yet) because I think i haven't really given him a fair shot with all the attention he's gotten.
I also trust my QB evaluations the least of all the positions. I don't have a strong opinion on him. There's just so much that goes on with QBs that I don't know how to read on TV.
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Thanks.
When--or if-- you get time, I would appreciate it if you watch that Fresno St game and let me know what you think.
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When--or if-- you get time, I would appreciate it if you watch that Fresno St game and let me know what you think.
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lets say the stars are aligned, houston finds a way to get cutler or whoever, and now aren't stuck with taking a QB with their pick.
do we sell the farm for THAT pick? or do we try to trade up with St. louis for the #2, and get bridgewater?
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I really don't know the answer to that question.
On one hand, it's imperative to get a franchise qb.
On the other hand, we really need to improve the overall talent on this team. I hate trading away draft picks. I have always been in favor of obtaining more draft picks.
The braintrust is getting paid a lot of money to make these decisions. I just hope they make the right decision.
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I really don't know the answer to that question.
On one hand, it's imperative to get a franchise qb.
On the other hand, we really need to improve the overall talent on this team. I hate trading away draft picks. I have always been in favor of obtaining more draft picks.
The braintrust is getting paid a lot of money to make these decisions. I just hope they make the right decision.
i was just asking because you guys say it all the time which i agree with: a true franchise QB will fix so many problems on this team.
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I just read a mock on a blog by Peter Smith that had us taking Brett Smith QB out of Wyoming with the 5th pick. What? Who?
I'd lose my mind!
It's Brett Smith. and his numbers are better than Flacco's coming out of Delaware. Just a thought.
Ok, in my very detailed 10 minutes of reading about this guy, my unpaid and unprofessional opinion is that he looks like a guy to consider if we go the 3rd round and sit him for a year route.. but at #5? 
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Depends on what "sells the farm" means: I would pony up both 1sts for it, but not much more. Maybe for a 2nd+3rd too without giving up Indy's 1st.
Campbell or Weeden are not solutions to our problem, that much is clear now. Praying for Hoyer to be "the one" I consider to be naive at best. There's more that speaks against him than for him, all things considered.
For me, it's Cutler or Bridgewater (or Bortles if he declares) and I don't really care how much money it costs to get Cutler in and won't nit pick on the eventual compensation for Bridgewater.
Everything else is further punting our biggest problem into NEXT YEAR yet again.
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