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vers says his knee injury is because he stands too upright in the pocket

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I actually like Mettenberger a lot. I think he does a lot of things you look for in an NFL QB.

The thing that impresses me the most is, he seems to throw to 'unopen' receivers far more often than the rest of these QB's. Mettenberger has great timing with his receivers and often throws before the break and throws receivers open.

A lot of college QB's because of schemes and the lack of talent on the defensive side of the ball tend to throw to a lot of wide open receivers. I've seen a lot of NFL quality throws from Mettenberger though.

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JC

Gil Brandt's 3 Tiers of QB's in the 2014 draft ...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...terback-in-2014

13 NFL teams positioned to draft quarterback in 2014

By Gil Brandt
NFL Media senior analyst
Dec. 10, 2013

There have been 48 quarterbacks to start in the NFL this season, including a pair -- Matt Flynn and Josh Freeman -- who have started for two teams. That's one more than all of last year.

Pretty amazing stat when you think about it. Stability at the quarterback position has been absent for several years now in the NFL. Impatient owners. Coaches trying to save their jobs. Injuries.

Did we mention injuries?

Quarterbacks are like left-handers in baseball -- teams can never have enough of them. The numbers are there; emphasis of early development at the high-school level has increased the pool in recent years. But quality remains an issue.

Take the 2011 NFL Draft, in which four quarterbacks -- Cam Newton, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert and Christian Ponder -- were taken inside the top 12 picks. Two years later, three of the teams that selected them are looking for replacements.

And this year? Pretty good depth in the pool; I'm just not sure how many will still be swimming two years from now.

At this point, and it's early, here's how I see the top three tiers of potential quarterbacks in this upcoming draft:

Tier 1: Louisville's Teddy Bridgewater, Texas A&M's Johnny Manziel, and Fresno State's Derek Carr. Bridgewater and Manziel are underclassmen but have given every indication they are coming out early. In my opinion, all three have an above-average chance of going in the top 10.

Tier 2: Alabama's AJ McCarron, Eastern Illinois' Jimmy Garoppolo, Georgia's Aaron Murray (torn ACL but could be a late steal), Clemson's Tajh Boyd, San Jose State's David Fales and LSU's Zach Mettenberger (ACL tear).

Tier 3: Missouri's James Franklin, Ball State's Keith Wenning, Cornell's Jeff Matthews, Miami's Stephen Morris, TCU's Casey Pachall (great arm, suspended last year), Nebraska's Taylor Martinez, Northern Illinois' Jordan Lynch (reminds me of Roger Staubach at Navy -- competitive, good runner, but doesn't throw the greatest ball).

(These lists would change if underclassmen like UCLA's Brett Hundley and Central Florida's Blake Bortles decide to enter the draft, but both remain undecided.)

So while we can argue all day about the quality of this quarterback class, the numbers will be there, and there will be no shortage of teams snatching them up in the draft. I've created two categories of teams that need to address their QB situations next May: "must-have" and "depth collection."

Must-have
New York Jets: Geno Smith wasn't the answer for the Jets this season. The question is, will he ever be the answer? I don't think one year is enough to get a true evaluation on a player, especially a quarterback, but teams are impatient these days. They feel they can't afford to spend two to three years trying to figure it out, especially in New York. The Jets are a middling 6-7 and might not be in position to take one of the top guys.

Jacksonville Jaguars: Blaine Gabbert is healthy, and the Jaguars are still not playing him. That should tell you everything about whether he fits into the team's long-term plans. Chad Henne is a nice backup but has limitations as a full-time starter. It's a bit unfair to judge how he has done this season, because the Jaguars lack talent around him.

Cleveland Browns: The Browns have been getting some production out of Jason Campbell, but Josh Gordon can make a lot of quarterbacks look good. Campbell is more than serviceable as a backup and replacement starter. He shouldn't be seen as more than that in Cleveland or anywhere else. Only four teams currently have a worse record than the Browns, so they could be drafting pretty high.

Oakland Raiders: Like Cleveland, the Raiders are heading for a top-10 pick. Matt McGloin and Terrelle Pryor aren't long-term answers, but the draft could provide it. So could free agency, where the Raiders are expected to have somewhere between $40 million to $50 million in cap money to spend. If they address quarterback there, other holes could be filled in the draft by trading down to acquire additional picks, like the Raiders did last year.

Minnesota Vikings: The Vikings could be looking at a top-five pick when all is said and done. Ponder has been OK, but can he take a team to the playoffs? I'm not sure. And I can't figure the Josh Freeman thing out. He's been active for only one game; why isn't he playing? It seems that neither have starting futures in Minnesota. All three of my Tier 1 QBs would be upgrades.

Tennessee Titans: Jake Locker is, as they say, what he is. He will always look good in practice but lacks consistency in games. In high school and at Washington, under new USC coach Steve Sarkisian, he was never a terribly accurate passer, and that trend has followed him into the NFL. I think the Titans need to go get themselves another quarterback for the future.

Houston Texans: Matt Schaub has no future in Houston, and Case Keenum, no matter what owner Bob McNair says, shouldn't be viewed as more than a capable (and cheap) backup and spot starter. I think they'll end up with the No. 1 overall draft pick, and they'll have their choice of quarterbacks.

Depth collection
St. Louis Rams: The Rams own Washington's first-round pick, which is looking better and better each week. I don't think they would take a quarterback in the first round, especially as high as they'll be drafting. Maybe the second or third round. They'll be looking to groom someone behind Sam Bradford.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Personally, I'm a little surprised by how well Mike Glennon has played as a rookie. He might be the answer. I saw a guy who wasn't very accurate, especially to his left. I also had questions about his athletic ability, but he has shown surprising athleticism. Even if the Bucs think Glennon is their guy, they still need a backup.

Atlanta Falcons: This is pretty simple: Matt Ryan doesn't have a backup, and the Falcons don't have someone to groom behind their starter.

Green Bay Packers: We found out pretty quickly the Packers didn't have anyone behind Aaron Rodgers, and they're paying a dear price. Historically, when guys get hurt, it continues. I hope that's not the case here, but the Packers have to protect themselves in the short- and long-term.

San Diego Chargers: Philip Rivers has had a resurgent year, but he turned 32 on Sunday, and the Chargers really have no one they're grooming. Now's the time to think about the future.

Pittsburgh Steelers: Ben Roethlisberger has two more years left on a contract that puts a $19 million hit on the Steelers' cap next year. Is Ben going to give Pittsburgh the hometown discount like Tom Brady did? It's a big question that might get some answers in the upcoming draft.

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Didn't I read a story on here where Bridgewater said very clearly that he wasn't sure if he was coming out this year?

Brandt says that every indication is that he will come out.. I'm confused.

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I know the name, but that's about it. Maybe you can answer a few questions for me.

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What type of offense does he run?

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Does he hold the ball, or does he get rid of the ball quickly? Is he a smart kid who can be "sped up" with coaching, or is he likely to slow down at the professional level.

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How are his feet and mechanics?

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Is he able to lead his receivers effectively with his throws? Does he throw them open, or does he throw them into danger?

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Which defenses have given him the most trouble, and why do you think they did?

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Ex-QB admits groping bar worker
Posted: Tuesday, May 04, 2010
By Marc Weiszer

Former Georgia quarterback Zach Mettenberger pleaded guilty Monday to two counts of misdemeanor sexual battery, saying he is taking "full responsibility" for his actions.


Mettenberger, who was kicked off the team by coach Mark Richt on April 18, grabbed the breasts and buttocks of a woman at Flip Flops, a bar near Valdosta, on March 7, according to Southern Judicial Circuit District Attorney J. David Miller. The victim was an employee of the bar but not working that night, Miller said.

"He was at the bar and was highly, highly intoxicated," Miller said. "He grabbed the young lady in places he had no business placing his hands."


Bar staff removed Mettenberger; he was arrested that night on underage drinking and other charges.

The Oconee County High School graduate was sentenced to 12 months of probation under the Georgia First Offender Act and will be required to complete 80 hours of community service and pay a $2,000 fine.

He also cannot drink alcohol or be at any place where alcoholic beverages are sold, is banished from the city of Valdosta and must have no contact - direct or indirect - with the victim. She is a student at Valdosta State University, according to the student newspaper, The Spectator.

Prosecutors spoke with members of the Remerton Police Department, which arrested Mettenberger, and the victim, and both were satisfied with the resolution, Miller said.

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Tier 1: Louisville's Teddy Bridgewater, Texas A&M's Johnny Manziel, and Fresno State's Derek Carr.

Tier 2: Alabama's AJ McCarron, Eastern Illinois' Jimmy Garoppolo, Georgia's Aaron Murray (torn ACL but could be a late steal), Clemson's Tajh Boyd, San Jose State's David Fales and LSU's Zach Mettenberger (ACL tear).

Tier 3: Missouri's James Franklin, Ball State's Keith Wenning, Cornell's Jeff Matthews, Miami's Stephen Morris, TCU's Casey Pachall (great arm, suspended last year), Nebraska's Taylor Martinez, Northern Illinois' Jordan Lynch (reminds me of Roger Staubach at Navy -- competitive, good runner, but doesn't throw the greatest ball).

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What about Fales?

I actually have him as my #2 QB, behind Mettenberger, ahead of Bridgewater.

With Bortles and Carr being my 4 and 5.

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I was also surprised w/David Fales. Heard he had a weak arm and was too short. Not sure where all that came from. He looked to be at least 6;3". Here is what I saw:

--Very quick release
--Extremely accurate
--Great touch
--Strong enough arm. It wasn't weak
--Better athlete than credited for
--Clutch throws
--Mobility in the pocket
--Great touch on deep throws
--Spun it when he had to

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Now, about your rankings. Let's just say I really disagree w/them. I

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However, maybe we should start a dialogue on what we think this management group will do

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IMO I think Mallet is in Belichek's plans. Brady's days are numbered.

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I really hope Bridgewater goes back to school. I do NOT like this QB class outside of him and it's likely we can't have him. Draft a developmental guy in the 4th and go in with Hoyer, Campbell and a rook. I'd rather take a Mettenberger than use a 1st on a guy like Carr.

Unless Hoyer goes to the probowl I still take the best available QB next year. Do the Belichick and trade some picks for next year again and we set ourselves up a lot better than this year IMO. Another OL, WR, S and ILB with high picks plus a better chance at a high caliber QB prospect next year.

I think it's a numbers game and betting your chips on this year QB class seems unwise.

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I really hope Bridgewater goes back to school. I do NOT like this QB class outside of him and it's likely we can't have him. Draft a developmental guy in the 4th and go in with Hoyer, Campbell and a rook. I'd rather take a Mettenberger than use a 1st on a guy like Carr.

Unless Hoyer goes to the probowl I still take the best available QB next year. Do the Belichick and trade some picks for next year again and we set ourselves up a lot better than this year IMO. Another OL, WR, S and ILB with high picks plus a better chance at a high caliber QB prospect next year.

I think it's a numbers game and betting your chips on this year QB class seems unwise.

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this QB class is not the same as Luck/RG3.
These are different in terms of maturity and techniques.
There are several that I know can benefit the Browns and if some of the guys do declare they can get one and sit him for a year.

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I really hope Bridgewater goes back to school. I do NOT like this QB class outside of him and it's likely we can't have him. Draft a developmental guy in the 4th and go in with Hoyer, Campbell and a rook. I'd rather take a Mettenberger than use a 1st on a guy like Carr.

Unless Hoyer goes to the probowl I still take the best available QB next year. Do the Belichick and trade some picks for next year again and we set ourselves up a lot better than this year IMO. Another OL, WR, S and ILB with high picks plus a better chance at a high caliber QB prospect next year.

I think it's a numbers game and betting your chips on this year QB class seems unwise.

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this QB class is not the same as Luck/RG3.
These are different in terms of maturity and techniques.
There are several that I know can benefit the Browns and if some of the guys do declare they can get one and sit him for a year.

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Well there isn't a single QB that you know can benefit the Browns. To say that as a certainty is wrong. This class is not any better than Russell/Quinn IMO. That is my opinion. So if you know something the rest of us don't please elaborate.

Carr is horrid. I wouldn't touch him in the 3rd let alone the 1st and there is no way, after evals, that he will be a 1st rounder. Manziel has way too many red flags and doesn't fit the O Chud wants to run. Bortles has a lot of good qualities but I question both his arm strength and velocity which could severely limit his upside. Average arm strength is one thing but I don't even see that. In a vertical O you can't accomplish much with a below average arm.

The problem most fail to keep in high regard is when you invest in a QB you put your HC and entire organization on his shoulders. If he fails it's another reboot with no wins for another 4 years. If you take a guy in the 1st 2 rounds/major FA the only way you keep your job is getting lucky.

It's about job insurance. If you invest in a QB you want to invest in the best possible product because your job depends on it. The only reason to take the 2nd best is if your job is on the line and your desperate like our last 2 QBs. Chud is not in danger for his job. There will be no panic therefore no reason to reach on 3rd round talent in the top 5.

The owner has said he believes in continuity. He preached it. If he believes in the process Chud will not be given only 2 years. He has no reason to reach on the man who'll essentially determine whether he keeps his job or not. I'm sorry but I have no faith in this years QB class and I will gladly endure another painful season if we deem it wise to invest in a stronger QB class. Some say this is a strong class but if Teddy is gone I see nothing worth betting your job on.

Also when did I mention RG3 and Luck? Never said a word about them.

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I really hope Bridgewater goes back to school. I do NOT like this QB class outside of him and it's likely we can't have him. Draft a developmental guy in the 4th and go in with Hoyer, Campbell and a rook. I'd rather take a Mettenberger than use a 1st on a guy like Carr.

Unless Hoyer goes to the probowl I still take the best available QB next year. Do the Belichick and trade some picks for next year again and we set ourselves up a lot better than this year IMO. Another OL, WR, S and ILB with high picks plus a better chance at a high caliber QB prospect next year.

I think it's a numbers game and betting your chips on this year QB class seems unwise.

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this QB class is not the same as Luck/RG3.
These are different in terms of maturity and techniques.
There are several that I know can benefit the Browns and if some of the guys do declare they can get one and sit him for a year.

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Well there isn't a single QB that you know can benefit the Browns. To say that as a certainty is wrong. This class is not any better than Russell/Quinn IMO. That is my opinion. So if you know something the rest of us don't please elaborate.
Well well wellllll..do we have a new draft analyst in here?
I'm laughing at the superior intellect ...U think what U want but I do know for myself that there is a QB that can benefit the Browns.
U would be foolish(FOR SEVERAL REASONS) to say there isn't.

This class is way better than the group that came out with Quinn.
What I know is because I do something I've done for years, I watch as much as I can, plus I make few comparisons because each QB's are different.


Carr is horrid. I wouldn't touch him in the 3rd let alone the 1st and there is no way, after evals, that he will be a 1st rounder. Manziel has way too many red flags and doesn't fit the O Chud wants to run. Bortles has a lot of good qualities but I question both his arm strength and velocity which could severely limit his upside. Average arm strength is one thing but I don't even see that. In a vertical O you can't accomplish much with a below average arm.

I would not say Carr is horrid. I see a guy that hasn't played against the type of competition that most of the top QB's have faced.
He like a lot of them need to be in the right system and brought along slowly.
I am not interested in Johnny Football as I have already stated.

The problem most fail to keep in high regard is when you invest in a QB you put your HC and entire organization on his shoulders. If he fails it's another reboot with no wins for another 4 years. If you take a guy in the 1st 2 rounds/major FA the only way you keep your job is getting lucky.

It's about job insurance. If you invest in a QB you want to invest in the best possible product because your job depends on it. The only reason to take the 2nd best is if your job is on the line and your desperate like our last 2 QBs. Chud is not in danger for his job. There will be no panic therefore no reason to reach on 3rd round talent in the top 5.
U haven't stated anything earth shattering in those two comments..something I think most already know. The Browns aren't reaching for any QB.

The owner has said he believes in continuity. He preached it. If he believes in the process Chud will not be given only 2 years. He has no reason to reach on the man who'll essentially determine whether he keeps his job or not. I'm sorry but I have no faith in this years QB class and I will gladly endure another painful season if we deem it wise to invest in a stronger QB class. Some say this is a strong class but if Teddy is gone I see nothing worth betting your job on.

Also when did I mention RG3 and Luck? Never said a word about them.

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http://tracking.si.com/2013/12/16/teddy-bridgewater-nfl-draft-2014-entering-undecided-return/

Unless something changed he's still undecided

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...I guess your proof will have to show everyone why you know for a fact that one of these guys is a possible franchise QB.

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