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That's my problem. I just can't get past the fact that we'd be one of those teams reaching for need because of the huge importance of QB. Do you think Bortles has enough blue chip qualities to be able to overlook his arm? I know you guys don't feel as strongly about the arm issue as I do but I'm curious if you think it's smart. Those reaching teams I listed earlier do not have a good success rate at all.
You will rarely find a QB drafted that one of two things doesn't happen. You either reached for him or pay a kings ransom for him.
If a QB can be a franchise QB, you didn't reach. The term reaching is more about perception and draft rankings from people that aren't good enough to be in an NFL FO.
Let's look at Weeden. Had he turned out to be a franchise QB, nobody would be calling that pick a reach right now. They'd simply say that H&H were right. Since he bombed, he was a reach. We can and will sit here on this board and second guess every draft pick. We will promote some and curse others.
But in the end it all boils down to one thing. If a QB becomes our franchise QB, he wasn't a reach. If he flops, he was a reach. There's really not a lot of middle ground there. And how much would be too much for a franchise QB?
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That's my problem. I just can't get past the fact that we'd be one of those teams reaching for need because of the huge importance of QB. Do you think Bortles has enough blue chip qualities to be able to overlook his arm? I know you guys don't feel as strongly about the arm issue as I do but I'm curious if you think it's smart. Those reaching teams I listed earlier do not have a good success rate at all.
You will rarely find a QB drafted that one of two things doesn't happen. You either reached for him or pay a kings ransom for him.
If a QB can be a franchise QB, you didn't reach. The term reaching is more about perception and draft rankings from people that aren't good enough to be in an NFL FO.
Let's look at Weeden. Had he turned out to be a franchise QB, nobody would be calling that pick a reach right now. They'd simply say that H&H were right. Since he bombed, he was a reach. We can and will sit here on this board and second guess every draft pick. We will promote some and curse others.
But in the end it all boils down to one thing. If a QB becomes our franchise QB, he wasn't a reach. If he flops, he was a reach. There's really not a lot of middle ground there. And how much would be too much for a franchise QB?
Well put. While I do agree there is one thing I would like to add. While reach is a relative term there is a reason guys are coveted more than others usually in a fairly universal way. Usually being the key. Not trying to make a statement of certainty here. I am more interested in the dynamics and almost economical aspect of the topic than judging based on performance. Football is a business an though it all depends on the field calculated decisions must be made not only by a football eye but rather a economical one both in finance and commodities.
The reason they are coveted is because they are seen to have a balance of skill and potential greater than those valued less. A draft pick is a commodity with real world(although only to the league) value. Hindsight is one thing as you put it well but it is a game of numbers and you want to capitalize on each investment of your commodity. The importance of a QB is directly related to the rise of their draft position in later years.
My issue is where is the balance? I think the year of Cam, Gabbert, Ponder and Locker is a perfect example of that. Clearly a use of high level commodities because of QB need not skill. Sure competitiveness will drive up cost of a needed product(QB) but when does the bell curve peak(did it already in 2011?) and when does it even out? I just don't want us to select our guy on the year it peaks. I worry that is now with talk of these prospects I view poorly.
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You will rarely find a QB drafted that one of two things doesn't happen. You either reached for him or pay a kings ransom for him.
Desperate teams who are willing to do desperate things badly over-pay, and a few teams reach when they shouldn't, but that doesn't mean most teams over-pay to get their guy or reach badly to do so.
You used Brandon Weeden as the example. In retrospect I would want that one back, hehe.
Weeden was a MASSIVE reach because he wasn't even in the top-3 or 4 of ranked QB's in his class but he was also an unheard of soon-to-be 28 years old. No team in history had ever reached on a guy like him. He was the definition of a desperate reach.
Looking in our division alone, we have three guys who were neither reaches nor were acquired by giving up the farm.
Rottenberger was part of a draft class that produced several winners. The Steelers needed a QB so they took one in their lap.
Flacco had worked his way into the bottom of the first round after his workouts, and that's where he was drafted.
Dalton had received a 2nd round grade...and that's where he went.
Even going back before Weeden, Quinn wasn't actually a big reach in terms of where teams had him pegged to go because most had him in the middle of the 1st. He was just a failure.
Consider how many Super Bowl winning QB's are out there. Where were they drafted? Were they truly considered reaches?
Both Manning's were taken where they were drafted.
Rodgers actually fell below where his talent said he shoulda gone.
Brady...hard to talk about him in this conversation.
Brees was a borderline 1st rounder. He went with the 1st pick of the 2nd round.
So what about actual starters in the league?
Alex Smith was right there with Rodgers. He went higher than some thought but he was hyped to go in the top of the 1st, even though he was viewed as somewhat of a developmental guy.
Sam Bradford was a developmental guy but was clearly a 1st round guy. In his 3rd year he started turning the corner, and had turned the corner this year with a 91 rating before getting hurt behind a bad line.
Cutler wasn't viewed as a reach, nor did the Broncos move up to get him.
Luck wasn't viewed as a reach. Ryan wasn't viewed as a reach. Rivers wasn't viewed as a reach. Palmer wasn't viewed as a reach. Stafford wasn't viewed as a reach. Geno Smith was considered a fringe 1st rounder. Kaepernick was a 2nd rounder. Wilson a 3rd rounder.
Of course it's up for debate, but there are very few "reaches" at the QB position. One was Weeden, another was Ponder. Many speculated at the time that Locker was a reach because he was all arm and wheels without much else.
Now sure, fans always have their own opinions. I would have never taken Sanchez and Ponder where they were drafted, but then again I wouldn't have taken Newton either, hehe. Fans will always have opinions, both good and bad, but the rankings don't indicate that most QB's are either reaches or guys who were purchased by giving up a huge sum of picks or players.
Guys like RG3 are the exception, not the norm.
Most starting QB's...franchise or otherwise...aren't considered reaches. I do agree there are some, but it's not a matter of perception. Jason Campbell wasn't a reach. He just didn't live up to expectations.
Wait...Tebow was a reach. 
As of right now, I see one true 1st rounder in this draft and that's Bridgewater. The rest...
Listen, there's a chance Bortles of all people could be the 2nd QB taken in this draft. I don't view him as the kind of guy I'd take in the 1st round. If we take him at 4, 5, or 6, that's a reach to me. If the professional draftniks say he's a fringe 1st rounder and we take him at 4, 5, or 6, that's a reach.
I like a guy like Tajh Boyd as a sleeper QB in the 3rd, but if he goes in the 1st, he's a reach.
I see a guy like Carr getting all kinds of chatter. Yet I haven't liked him ever, and I sure don't see him as a good gamble in the 1st. He's all measurables and nothing on film, and if we take him when he isn't that highly rated, yeah, he's a reach.
There are several QB's in this class who may end up going when they have no business going, and that means 2nd rounders or later going high in the 1st.
For my money, that's a good way to commit regime-suicide. We just did it with Weeden, and the Vikings just did it with Ponder.
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The more I think about it....I take Johnny Football. Offense fixed and we don't give up picks.
Next years QB are Manziel, Hoyer, and someone....trade Campbell ...he has some value on a good team who wants a vet QB as a back-up.
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I don't care how you slice it Toad, had Weeden been a success, nobody would be calling it a reach. You know it and I know it.
And all that list of great successful QB's? They'd be called busts or reaches by most fans had they not have had success. You wish to call something like that "a QB who failed". But we both know that isn't the perception of things.
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Manziel has no chance in the NFL. Please don't say he has that "it" factor either. Colt Mccoy and Tim Tebow supposidly had "it" too.
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The more and more I been hearing, listening and etc of people's convo about Johnny, and these are die-hard college football people - I am going to sway on the side on I hope we pass on him...
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I don't care how you slice it Toad, had Weeden been a success, nobody would be calling it a reach. You know it and I know it.
And all that list of great successful QB's? They'd be called busts or reaches by most fans had they not have had success. You wish to call something like that "a QB who failed". But we both know that isn't the perception of things.
I think you guys are talking about two different things that shouldn't just be slopped together. By your point we could take a QB in the 1st every year that's valued a 6th rounder but as soon as we found Tom Brady it wouldn't be a reach. You referring to after the fact judgement. He's referring to value based on draft day decisions. They are two very different things.
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annnnnnddd it just got worse: Report: Cleveland Browns brass likes Johnny Manziel http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...-johnny-manzielJust a day after the NFL regular season ended, an inkling or two about the potential draft fate of Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel points to the possibility of Johnny Football landing with the Cleveland Browns. While the firing of coach Rob Chudzinski has created turbulence in the Browns' locker room, it also might have opened the door for a more Manziel-friendly coach at the team's helm, according to Sports Illustrated's Peter King. This from King's latest column: Silver: Chud firing infuriates Browns In the wake of Rob Chudzinski's abrupt firing, numerous Browns players vent their frustrations to Michael Silver. READ "... If they kept Chudzinski, they'd be asking him to develop the next quarterback, along with offensive coordinator Norv Turner. What if there was a disconnect between the quarterback the front office wanted (I hear Cleveland really likes Johnny Manziel, who is not the Aikmanish pocket passer more to Turner's liking) and the one the coaches preferred? If they made a clean break now, they wouldn't be delaying what they felt was inevitable." That's not the only clue, however. The Browns' loss to Pittsburgh Sunday secured the No. 4 overall pick in the 2014 NFL Draft, and NFL Media analyst Daniel Jeremiah notes a glaring need at the position for Cleveland. "I will be very surprised if this selection is anything other than a quarterback," Jeremiah writes in his latest assessment of each team's draft needs. The Browns will be in Atlanta tomorrow for what NFL Media senior analyst Gil Brandt has learned will be Manziel's final college game: If there's one thing Cleveland needs along with a new coach and quarterback who can win, it's some excitement for downtrodden fans who need a better reason to fill FirstEnergy Stadium in freezing temperatures. Manziel oozes excitement. And if the tea leaves spell anything, he might be oozing it for the Browns' new coach next season. Follow Chase Goodbread on Twitter @ChaseGoodbread.
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If there's one thing Cleveland needs along with a new coach and quarterback who can win, it's some excitement for downtrodden fans who need a better reason to fill FirstEnergy Stadium in freezing temperatures.
This is what we've been spoon fed since Modell started it by firing and hiring coaches every 2-1/2 years... hope. Starting with Modell the owner has used hope to fill the seats with very little to show for it other than that hope.
Every third year conjure up some hope to keep the fans excited, not through winning, but through the hope of winning.
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and again... we will get the 3rd or worse QB in the draft.
How many times has this happened?
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Johnny Football?  I guess at this point nothing should surprise us. But this would be another epic fail. 
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I guess at this point nothing should surprise us. But this would be another epic fail.
I hope the front office is aware of the patience of the fans, and how it's been tested, and how it continues to be tested.
Another failure of a crucial decision could result in jumping ship of many fans, for good. Whoever they select via the draft, for head coach, etc - they had better done their homework and they had better get it right. I do know the tank that holds my "patience" is beginning to run of fumes. There are far too many sucky teams turning things around while we are still sitting back wondering when the coach is going to get fired/hired and etc.
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There's no bigger boom-or-bust QB in recent memory than Manziel, who only has a chance because of the new, modern NFL where read-option is taking over.
While back in Ohio I used the few days I had to watch all these QB's who could be 1st rounders. I watched everything I could find on every guy. A couple of years ago I really came around on RG3 during this time and he didn't disappoint as a rookie before Shanahan blew his leg out. I also dialed in on Cousins as a middle-round, developmental guy.
This year I'm high on Boyd as a developmental guy (though he won't last as long as Cousins did) and like how I started to change my tune on Glennon last year, as hard as it is for me to believe I'm saying it, I'm starting to change my tune on Manziel.
Let me say I still fear his head, as he's a hellishly unstable kinda guy. He could become the spiritual leader of any football team...or an emotional train-wreck who decides to drive his 'Vette off a cliff after a bad game. He's small and that scrambling style is going to see him take a big number of hits that could cut his seasons and career short.
But I'm changing my tune on his abilities.
I'm seeing Aaron Rodgers 2.0, and I was a HUGE pusher of Rodgers when he came out. I didn't know Rodgers had the attitude that he has. Never saw that coming. But I loved Rodgers because he had a quick release, a fast mind, and was very mobile, showing an ability to buy extra time while keeping his eyes downfield. That's a trait Manziel has in spades. Rodgers has a bigger arm and is a bigger guy, but Manziel has enough arm. He's exceedingly accurate when he's actually not throwing up college-level prayers down the field. Any throw that requires him to hit a player in stride or on time shows that he's as good or better than anyone in the country. He's going to drive coaches crazy for not always running the offense they design, but if they can somehow reign him in and get him to play more under control, Manziel can be special.
I'm going to take a wait-and-see up until the draft, as I always do. Only a fool makes up his mind and sticks to that thought no matter what happens after that moment, as too many people somehow feel as though it's machismo to take an opinion and go down with the ship. However, as much as I don't like the guy...and I REALLY don't like the image that Manziel presents...my opinion of him is changing as a player.
As hard as it is for me to admit that.
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Toad - when you get then chance scout James Franklin the Missouri Qb. He is the mid round guy I am pimping. His bowl game is Friday night. I am interested in your thoughts on him.
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as too many people somehow feel as though it's machismo to take an opinion and go down with the ship
No, you hedge your bets like the best of them. It's incredible really. It makes me wonder if you're in politics.
I see nothing in Manziels game translating into the NFL besides mobility.
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I'm with you on Manziel. I gave him another look and saw many of the things you did. So, because I am a loser...lol...I watched the Alabama game rerun this morning......saw the same stuff I saw last night.
I saw it mentioned last night that he might be the #1 overall pick, and I could see that. I still like Bridgewater better by a mile (not as high a ceiling but his floor is so much higher)...... But Manziel will be a top 5 pick and I don't think it's a Weeden type reach to take him.
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I'm with you on Manziel. I gave him another look and saw many of the things you did. So, because I am a loser...lol...I watched the Alabama game rerun this morning......saw the same stuff I saw last night.
I saw it mentioned last night that he might be the #1 overall pick, and I could see that. I still like Bridgewater better by a mile (not as high a ceiling but his floor is so much higher)...... But Manziel will be a top 5 pick and I don't think it's a Weeden type reach to take him.
To match a Weeden-type reach we'd have to see our new head coach McDaniels bring Tebow in to be our starter.
Manziel cemented his place as a 1st rounder last night, so any team that takes him won't be "reaching" but they sure will be gambling.
Like him or hate him, Manziel sure looks and feels like the kinda guy this regime would go after. They clearly wanna put butts in seats, create buzz, and sell jerseys, and no player in this draft would do more of that than Manziel. Since McDaniels is likely far-and-away the favorite to be the new shot-caller, and since he spent a 1st rounder on a read-option QB who had pathetic arm talent, it seems like an obvious choice that a Manziel-type would be exactly what Josh wants.
I didn't want any part of the Chud discussions of the last several days as this has been a trainwreck of biblical proportions. I hate the idea of McDaniels coming here specifically because he felt that Tebow was a 1st round QB, let alone an NFL QB at all. Having said that he's a huge favorite so we might as well accept that's who is going to be our guy, and based on what he did in Denver, Manziel is the prototype of what McDaniels drafted.
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No, you hedge your bets like the best of them. It's incredible really. It makes me wonder if you're in politics.
I see nothing in Manziels game translating into the NFL besides mobility.
What happened to you, Candy? You've been running around nippin' at my heels for a while now. I make a pass at your wife at a bar or sumthin'?
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Just take Johnny Football and win.
I just don't understand the comments about seeing nothing that translates to the NFL. Maybe they are looking at what the NFL was and not where it is headed, and it's doing it more each year.
Do we want to be the last team with a drop back QB in the league?
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You still have to be able to throw the ball first Peen. Not to pile on, but Tebow flamed out because he couldn't throw the ball.....and he's probably the best college read option QB ever.
However, Johnny isn't Tebow...he can throw the ball well. I think most of the concern is his body holding up to the pounding ala RG3, Vick, and a ton of other mobile guys. Mobility is good but isn't king and you have to know when to get rid of the ball and take a huge hit.
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i'm worried about manziel getting injured.
the guy just has a small body. we play in the AFC north. i rather have Teddy, a big QB, who can probably take a bit of a beating.
man....imo i still think we need to follow the formula of the QB's that are successful HERE in our division. Big arm'ed, mobile, smart and bigger frames.
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i'm worried about manziel getting injured.
the guy just has a small body. we play in the AFC north. i rather have Teddy, a big QB, who can probably take a bit of a beating.
Bridgewater lists at 15 lbs less than Manziel despite being 2" taller, according to ESPN.com.
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As long as drop back QBs are still the ones winning Super Bowls, sure.
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i'm worried about manziel getting injured.
the guy just has a small body. we play in the AFC north. i rather have Teddy, a big QB, who can probably take a bit of a beating.
Bridgewater lists at 15 lbs less than Manziel despite being 2" taller.
and thats a very good point. both QB's can bulk up, as far as weight, but Teddy is taller.
i mean i understand its mechanics, but do we really need to see 3 passes a game getting batted at the LOS again?
its just...i guess we should wait for the oc and HC to be named, and see if they are guys that tailor their offense to the QB or plays in general.
i just really don't like manziel, he just reminds me of a colt mccoy.
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Like him or hate him, Manziel sure looks and feels like the kinda guy this regime would go after. They clearly wanna put butts in seats, create buzz, and sell jerseys, and no player in this draft would do more of that than Manziel. Since McDaniels is likely far-and-away the favorite to be the new shot-caller, and since he spent a 1st rounder on a read-option QB who had pathetic arm talent, it seems like an obvious choice that a Manziel-type would be exactly what Josh wants.
I didn't want any part of the Chud discussions of the last several days as this has been a trainwreck of biblical proportions. I hate the idea of McDaniels coming here specifically because he felt that Tebow was a 1st round QB, let alone an NFL QB at all. Having said that he's a huge favorite so we might as well accept that's who is going to be our guy, and based on what he did in Denver, Manziel is the prototype of what McDaniels drafted.
These are strange days for the Cleveland Browns faithful...
I agree 100% on your assessments of Manziel Toad. Talent/potential-wise I think he's the best QB in this class (yes I think he has more potential than even Bridgewater). Character/head-on-his-shoulders/team leader-wise I think he's by far the worst.
However, if McDaniels is our guy I have to disagree about Manziel being exactly his type of guy. He wanted Tebow not just because of his style of play but a very large part of it was his high character and leadership qualities. Two things Manziel would never be mentioned in the same breath with.
Of course it's all a big speculation and guessing game so who knows really. My "guess" is Teddy is gone and we're left debating between Manziel and Bortles. I'm really excited to watch Bortles bowl game and combine as, if he grades as good as my eyes say, I think I'd take him over Manziel regardless of Johnny Football's potential.
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However, if McDaniels is our guy I have to disagree about Manziel being exactly his type of guy. He wanted Tebow not just because of his style of play but a very large part of it was his high character and leadership qualities. Two things Manziel would never be mentioned in the same breath with.
Well if McDaniels is truly our guy, hopefully part of the maturation process that his supporters keep touting is that talent trumps character.
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j/c...QB the obvious choice of course is Hoyer...but who knows now. There ain't anything obvious regarding personnel.
We can assume 99% McDaniel is the guy going forward....question is do we draft a Carr or Manziel and groom them with Hoyer or will McDaniel want to do what he wanted back with Denver and go after the Pats back up QB Cassel...in this case Mallet...probably BB would fleece us with our 2nd first round pick...who knows with Lombardi...maybe our Overall #4... 
Well I don't see many other options...there was one possible FA in Cutler, he and McDaniels didn't get along what so ever...gee and to think we need a HC with strong people skills to pull the players together...  lest I digress. FA is out of the question.
Hoyer n Draft pick...or Mallet n Hoyer as the back up. Those are pretty much the options.
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Point is, he can throw.
Again, I just laugh when people say they don't see anything in Manziels game that wouldn't transition to the NFL.
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j/c...QB the obvious choice of course is Hoyer...but who knows now. There ain't anything obvious regarding personnel.
We can assume 99% McDaniel is the guy going forward....question is do we draft a Carr or Manziel and groom them with Hoyer or will McDaniel want to do what he wanted back with Denver and go after the Pats back up QB Cassel...in this case Mallet...probably BB would fleece us with our 2nd first round pick...who knows with Lombardi...maybe our Overall #4...
Well I don't see many other options...there was one possible FA in Cutler, he and McDaniels didn't get along what so ever...gee and to think we need a HC with strong people skills to pull the players together... lest I digress. FA is out of the question.
Hoyer n Draft pick...or Mallet n Hoyer as the back up. Those are pretty much the options.
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is it the fan base that is so high on mallet? or is it a lombardi thing?
i mean, i understand being the back up to brady doesn't yield many chances to play, but, why are we constantly linked to mallet?
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Point is, he can throw.
Again, I just laugh when people say they don't see anything in Manziels game that wouldn't transition to the NFL.
Colt Mccoy looked like he could throw too. til he got here.
the pock presence of manziel last night...
he would get murdered trying to do that crap in the NFL. all a D lineman needs is a hand full of jersey.
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...y-for-no-1-pickLouisville's Teddy Bridgewater will enter 2014 NFL Draft Louisville junior quarterback Teddy Bridgewater is turning pro, NFL Media senior analyst Gil Brandt confirmed Wednesday. Bridgewater (6-foot-3, 196 pounds) long has been considered the most pro-ready quarterback in the 2014 draft class and he is one of the top contenders to be the No. 1 pick. Houston owns the top overall pick, and new Texans coach Bill O'Brien is considered a quarterback guru of sorts. Underclassmen tracker NFL.com's College Football 24/7 is tracking reports of the intentions of college football underclassmen in anticipation for the 2014 NFL Draft. More ... Bridgewater finished this season with 31 touchdown passes -- a school single-season record -- and just four interceptions. After completing 35 of his 45 pass attempts in the Russell Athletic Bowl, he raised his completion percentage to 70.96, leaping past East Carolina's Shane Carden for No. 1 in the FBS. NFL Media analysts Charles Davis and Daniel Jeremiah said last month that while they like Bridgewater, both think he will be overdrafted. Bridgewater lacks bulk -- at times, you'd swear he was a stick figure standing in the pocket -- but he's a tough guy with good mechanics and a nice arm. While he doesn't like to run, he does a nice job of sliding his feet in the pocket. He also is comfortable while rolling out to his left or right. In addition, past and current coaches and teammates rave about his leadership qualities. Bridgewater definitely seems to have the "it" factor. He threw for 3,970 yards this season; in 2012, he passed for 3,718 yards, 27 TDs and eight picks. He owns a career completion percentage of 68.4 on 1,142 attempts in a pro-style attack. As a redshirt freshman in 2011, he threw 12 picks as a first-time starter but showed vast improvement in his decision-making the past two seasons.
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Bridgewater has a much smaller body than Manziel.....he is however more of a pocket passer
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Point is, he can throw.
Again, I just laugh when people say they don't see anything in Manziels game that wouldn't transition to the NFL.
Colt Mccoy looked like he could throw too. til he got here.
the pock presence of manziel last night...
he would get murdered trying to do that crap in the NFL. all a D lineman needs is a hand full of jersey.
I disagree. I always thought Colt was a puss and never thought he had a good arm.
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Agreed.....no comparison between Colt and Johnny. Also Johnny not being a leader is nonsense...did anyone watch the game last night??? All the time Duke was slaughtering him he was on the sideline motivating the troops and keeping them focused.
If someone wants to mention him doing something stupid off the field to get in trouble they might have a point, but him not being an effective leader has never been discussed.....his teammates gravitate toward and positively love him.
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Agreed.....no comparison between Colt and Johnny. Also Johnny not being a leader is nonsense...did anyone watch the game last night??? All the time Duke was slaughtering him he was on the sideline motivating the troops and keeping them focused.
If someone wants to mention him doing something stupid off the field to get in trouble they might have a point, but him not being an effective leader has never been discussed.....his teammates gravitate toward and positively love him.
i think the only people who don't call him a leader are people who don't watch him, and let the media decide their opinion.
i mean i give the guy ton of credit, he was doing everything possible to motivate both the O AND the D.
i just don't like his playing style, bro. you guys might not see it, but imo i see McCoy. he seemed to have a deep ball in college, but who doesn't?
and they put up 45 points, hardly a defensive battle. colt mccoy was a leader, our team responded to him, nobody can deny that.
unfortunately his play didn't transition to the nfl all that well. i feel that is gonna happen with manziel.
i much rather sell the farm for Teddy, that draft manziel, unless he falls to us for the #4 pick. and even then...i dunno.
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j/c...QB the obvious choice of course is Hoyer...but who knows now. There ain't anything obvious regarding personnel.
We can assume 99% McDaniel is the guy going forward....question is do we draft a Carr or Manziel and groom them with Hoyer or will McDaniel want to do what he wanted back with Denver and go after the Pats back up QB Cassel...in this case Mallet...probably BB would fleece us with our 2nd first round pick...who knows with Lombardi...maybe our Overall #4...
Don't sleep on Blake Bortles. I'm telling ya. I'd put him #3 talent-wise in this draft behind Manziel and Teddy but Manziel has such a bust factor due to his lack of anything above the neck that he's my #2 in this draft.
Hoyer / Bortles / FA, practice squad, late round guy.
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is it the fan base that is so high on mallet? or is it a lombardi thing?
Lombardi...I believe when he was an analyst he gushed about Mallet a few times.
so all the media thought it was a given...also Lombardi reveres BB and anything that he touches. He did hit on Hoyer - is that Lombardi being a good evaluator or just following his BB intuition.
Fan Base really have no mass love for Mallet from what I see/hear/read... He is a total unknown actually. I thought he was better than Glennon coming into the NFL and I liked Glennon from the last class. But how he has progressed??? All I know is BB is one heck of a teacher! That is true.
Actually the only reason I mention Mallet is it would be apparent - McDaniel would want a QB who knew his Playbook forwards and backwards to lead the team n others in the transition. It was a move he tried to do immediately upon getting the Denver job. Would he do it here...odds are he probably would want that. Actually I would be surprised if he didn't. It makes sense. Just knowing how Lombardi reveres BB I see us getting fleeced.
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