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There is not ONE bona fide "franchise QB" in this draft...not ONE.
You state your opinion as fact. I completely disagree w/your opinion.
Teddy has everything you need to be a great QB.
Manziel has some bust potential, but he also has one of the biggest upsides I have seen.
Bortles looks to be a solid prospect.
Your forceful tone does nothing to change the reality of the situation. You wanna make a wager on this one? You say none of them are bonafide franchise qbs, so that means none of them will be drafted in the top 10, right?
I'll take that bet. PM me w/an amount.
LOL.............methinks you are full of it.
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What if the deal is for swapping firsts and a first next year?
Depends on where they're picking.
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Quite honestly, I would not mind if the Browns drafted a couple of QB's.
Sure one in the first, but another in the third or fourth just in case...
Arron Murray would be my suggestion. ACL and all.
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There is not ONE bona fide "franchise QB" in this draft...not ONE.
You state your opinion as fact. I completely disagree w/your opinion.
Teddy has everything you need to be a great QB.
Manziel has some bust potential, but he also has one of the biggest upsides I have seen.
Bortles looks to be a solid prospect.
Your forceful tone does nothing to change the reality of the situation. You wanna make a wager on this one? You say none of them are bonafide franchise qbs, so that means none of them will be drafted in the top 10, right?
I'll take that bet. PM me w/an amount.
LOL.............methinks you are full of it.
"Teddy has everything you NEED to be...."
"Manziel has some bust potential..."
"Bortles looks to be a solid prospect..."
A 'solid prospect' is now equal to a bona fide franchise qb?
Me thinks you proved my point.
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There is not ONE bona fide "franchise QB" in this draft...not ONE.
You state your opinion as fact. I completely disagree w/your opinion.
Teddy has everything you need to be a great QB.
Manziel has some bust potential, but he also has one of the biggest upsides I have seen.
Bortles looks to be a solid prospect.
Your forceful tone does nothing to change the reality of the situation. You wanna make a wager on this one? You say none of them are bonafide franchise qbs, so that means none of them will be drafted in the top 10, right?
I'll take that bet. PM me w/an amount.
LOL.............methinks you are full of it.
Being drafted in the top 10 does not mean that guy is a franchise QB. Please explain what you're trying to say. Some teams are insanely stupid. Brandon freaking Weeden was thought of by a team to be a franchise QB.
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You say none of them are bonafide franchise qbs, so that means none of them will be drafted in the top 10, right?
This is an incorrect statement where the supposition is that if you are drafted in the top 10 you're a franchise QB. Let's look at some history: Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Mark Sanchez, Jake Locker (if he stays healthy he's arguable), Blanie Gabbart...etc
The player's ability and actual performance determine whether the QB is a franchise QB or not, not whether they were drafted in the top 10. Don't get me wrong, drafting a QB in the first round increases your odds, but at the end the day it's up to the player to prove he is a franchise guy.
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Get a qb now!
Ok...who do you want? If he's not likely to be available at #4 overall, what are YOU willing to give up to go and get him?
There is not ONE bona fide "franchise QB" in this draft...not ONE.
Sit at #4 overall...if there is a guy you want there...take him. But DO NOT trade even a jelly doughnut to move ONE SLOT to get a guy who is no better a prospect than the very next guy in line.
Your line of thinking has failed this franchise through two owners and numerous front offices...just because we want and need a franchise QB does not mean that one is available this year - or any given year.
My line of thinking has failed this franchise? We have taken one stab at the qb position and that was trading back into the first for Quinn. Did it work, no. Did we try to do something about our horrible qb play? Yes. At least we tried.
Have you seen that qb jersey with 20 different names on it? Are u sick of that? As a season ticket holder I am. Why does everyone in the nfl know it but some on here don't get it. We will never amount to a nfl team without a real qb. Heck give me a tad above average qb and I'll be happy.
So my idea is to use the picks we have to try to trade to #1. We have the picks for a reason. The front office knew weeden was not the answer. So they brought in hoyer and Campbell. They put themselves into position to get one this year by trading for future picks. Bpa, trading back had not worked. Make a move to get one. Or just suck every year until we pick first and then take one.
Someone will want next years 1st because it will be better than Indys this year. I'd give our first next year and one of our 3rds and 4ths this year since we hav 2 in each round. Then if we had to I'd trade our second 1st this year away to get a first next year and a little more this year. Is Teddy worth it. Wish I had that crystal ball to know. But I don't want to sit any more and wait on a qb. Go get one.
Hey that's my idea. Bash it if u want. But seriously, what is your idea to fix our qb situation? Sit pat and HOPE one falls to use? Go with hoyer and some later round qb to sit for a year? I don't have years of this same crap in me. I want a reason to keep my season tickets. And waiting another year for a qb won't do it. I won't hold it against them if they make a move and the player don't work out. But they HAVE to try.
So what's your plan?
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yea, i dont see why he said that either.
we have NEVER traded up to get a QB, so i don't see how that line of thinking has failed the franchise, seeing as though we've never done it before.
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Quite honestly, I would not mind if the Browns drafted a couple of QB's.
Sure one in the first, but another in the third or fourth just in case...
You might laugh, but I played that NFL draft game and Carr was there at 4 and Manziel was there at 26 and I took them both. Not that I think he'll necessarily be there when we pick at that spot, but I thought what the hell, maybe sit them both behind Hoyer, see who has it, let the media circus die down, and if they both show talent, pick one and trade the other. There could be worse scenarios... like being unable to find a starting quarterback for a decade and a half-- oh wait...
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So what's your plan?
From my post above...here's my plan:
Sit at #4 overall...if there is a guy you want there...take him. But DO NOT trade even a jelly doughnut to move ONE SLOT to get a guy who is no better a prospect than the very next guy in line.
Pay attention to the bolded words.
Just because we NEED a franchise QB does not mean there is one available this year. That is my entire point. I know we need a QB...but there isn't ONE in this draft who is any better a prospect than the other 2-4 guys coming out...and we have the 4th pick.
We've traded up one pick to get the must-have in Winslow. We traded up to get the must-have in T Rich. We wasted a 1st Rd pick on each of the gotta-get-a-QB in Quinn and Weeden. We failed each and every time.
What QB in the draft would YOU trade picks to move up to pick? What makes THAT guy any better than one of the guys who will fall to our 4th pick? My opinion is that there isn't ONE worth doing that for.
Too many people are saying that we "must do whatever it takes to get our franchise guy" without saying who is that mystery franchise guy.
There are some good prospects in this draft...but no one who is a bona fide franchise guy at this point...or really even close. Let the draft come to us...if we have ANY sense we will be a better TEAM immediately after that pick.
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yea, i dont see why he said that either.
we have NEVER traded up to get a QB, so i don't see how that line of thinking has failed the franchise, seeing as though we've never done it before.
illogical post is illogical.
You have completely missed my point...no wonder it seems illogical to you.
Who would you trade up to pick? Why him and not the very next rated guy? What are you willing to give up to get him?
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yea, i dont see why he said that either.
we have NEVER traded up to get a QB, so i don't see how that line of thinking has failed the franchise, seeing as though we've never done it before.
illogical post is illogical.
You have completely missed my point...no wonder it seems illogical to you.
Who would you trade up to pick? Why him and not the very next rated guy? What are you willing to give up to get him?
imo, i'd give up 2 1st rounders and the 2nd if that what it took to get to the #1 or #2 spot.
Teddy first, if not, manziel. we need one of those QB's. i rather have Teddy, but Manziel will be just as good with the right offense.
we need a QB. imo, we shouldn't be sitting at #4 or even thinking about trading down. that is the one thing for YEARS that has held us back, competent QB play.
i really believe in my soul those 2 QB's are franchise worthy. and as such, we should do what it takes to get either or.
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... we should do what it takes to get either or.
If our "powers-that-be" believe that there are only 2 or possibly three QB's of which they must get one, then sitting at #4, they must seriously consider moving up to #2...
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Its kinda amazing.
You listen to sports talk and they are talking about whether Manziel is a first round pick.
Then, we have guys willing to give up two firsts and a second for him.
By the way, our #4 pick is probably going to be the last of the very valuable picks in this draft. It may turn out to be worth a lot.
It appears to me that some believe the Texans are just going to hand Teddy over. If that were to happen then you are talking both firsts and a first next year. I'll be surprised if it were to happen, if he came any cheaper.
I have pimped Manziel on this board. I am definately intrigued.
I think Willie is spot on.
2 Firsts and a second for a 5 11" 190 pound guy with red flags for character?
We've done dumber and crazier things I guess.
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I would be pretty dismayed if we took Manziel.
If we traded up for him?
I'd downgrade my already iffy odds of ever seeing us win a Super Bowl.
Whiffing on a QB in the first is bad enough. Blowing extra picks can be truly devastating.
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I would be pretty dismayed if we took Manziel.
If we traded up for him?
I'd downgrade my already iffy odds of ever seeing us win a Super Bowl.
Whiffing on a QB in the first is bad enough. Blowing extra picks can be truly devastating.
i rather have him than bortles.
would you be ok if we traded to #1 to guarantee Teddy?
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I'm just all in for teddy at this point. I'm tired of prototypical size qbs, scrambling read option guys. I want a qb with BRAINS. I'm no nfl scout but everything I read about teddy say he has the MOST IMPORTANT muscle for a qb. The one between the ears.
I'm not sold on Johnny. And would not trade squat to move up for him. All in for teddy or just take the Johnny at 4. I don't want Johnny at 4, but at this point. Why not?
I consider all in for teddy to be 2 firsts a 3rd and a 4th. I don't know about much more. But.... Maybe
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I don't know that I'd trade up to #1 for Bridgewater, but I could understand the move, and wouldn't complain.
I'd take Bortles over Manziel. I'm not really high on either, and think Bortles is best served sitting for a bit.
But in terms of odds, I'd take Bortles over Manziel (though I'd be worried about either)
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yea, i dont see why he said that either.
we have NEVER traded up to get a QB, so i don't see how that line of thinking has failed the franchise, seeing as though we've never done it before.
illogical post is illogical.
You have completely missed my point...no wonder it seems illogical to you.
Who would you trade up to pick? Why him and not the very next rated guy? What are you willing to give up to get him?
imo, i'd give up 2 1st rounders and the 2nd if that what it took to get to the #1 or #2 spot.
Teddy first, if not, manziel. we need one of those QB's. i rather have Teddy, but Manziel will be just as good with the right offense.
we need a QB. imo, we shouldn't be sitting at #4 or even thinking about trading down. that is the one thing for YEARS that has held us back, competent QB play.
i really believe in my soul those 2 QB's are franchise worthy. and as such, we should do what it takes to get either or.
So your puitting Teddy up there with Luck then?
I think you do that if you can get an Andrew Luck type can't miss kinda guy. Personally, I've not read one article that tells me that Teddy is that guy. To be fair, I don't think there is "that guy" in this draft..
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To be fair, I don't think there is "that guy" in this draft.
I agree. I do think there is "a guy", and I think he'll be there at 4, like Carr or Manziel. Honestly, I'd be just as happy with Tajh Boyd or one of the other second tier guys in the third or 4th round rather than bet the house at the top of the draft. If we give up the 4th pick and one or two more additional first round picks and God know what else to grab Bridgewater or Bortles, I'm gonna be pissed.
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It practically Photoshopped itself. 
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There is not ONE bona fide "franchise QB" in this draft...not ONE.
You state your opinion as fact. I completely disagree w/your opinion.
Teddy has everything you need to be a great QB.
Manziel has some bust potential, but he also has one of the biggest upsides I have seen.
Bortles looks to be a solid prospect.
Your forceful tone does nothing to change the reality of the situation. You wanna make a wager on this one? You say none of them are bonafide franchise qbs, so that means none of them will be drafted in the top 10, right?
I'll take that bet. PM me w/an amount.
LOL.............methinks you are full of it.
"Teddy has everything you NEED to be...."
"Manziel has some bust potential..."
"Bortles looks to be a solid prospect..."
A 'solid prospect' is now equal to a bona fide franchise qb?
Me thinks you proved my point.
So if there are ANY questions about a QB coming out in the draft, you don't move up to get him?
So we wait for the next Andrew Luck and just hope and pray we will be in a good position to have the ammunition needed to move up to draft him?
You do understand the odds of success going that route are even worse than moving up to draft a QB that may have a question surrounding them, right?
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yea, i dont see why he said that either.
we have NEVER traded up to get a QB, so i don't see how that line of thinking has failed the franchise, seeing as though we've never done it before.
illogical post is illogical.
You have completely missed my point...no wonder it seems illogical to you.
Who would you trade up to pick? Why him and not the very next rated guy? What are you willing to give up to get him?
imo, i'd give up 2 1st rounders and the 2nd if that what it took to get to the #1 or #2 spot.
Teddy first, if not, manziel. we need one of those QB's. i rather have Teddy, but Manziel will be just as good with the right offense.
we need a QB. imo, we shouldn't be sitting at #4 or even thinking about trading down. that is the one thing for YEARS that has held us back, competent QB play.
i really believe in my soul those 2 QB's are franchise worthy. and as such, we should do what it takes to get either or.
So your puitting Teddy up there with Luck then?
I think you do that if you can get an Andrew Luck type can't miss kinda guy. Personally, I've not read one article that tells me that Teddy is that guy. To be fair, I don't think there is "that guy" in this draft..
Yes I do.
The problem is, we need to stop looking at guys like luck or RG3 and think " that is the standard" for trading up in the draft.
IMO, I think Teddy is that guy, for OUR team. There might never be a luck of the next ten years. But there will be plenty of Bree's, foles, Rodgers, and cutlets, which are good enough to get you to that SB.
We need to stop comparing QB's to extremes. It's the same when people try to complain about ward"s play, than compare him to Troy p. it's simply not fair.
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So if there are ANY questions about a QB coming out in the draft, you don't move up to get him?
In THIS draft while sitting at #4 overall...yes...I don't move up for any QB. The top 4 guys are all the same risk to me and none of them looks special...unless Manziel grows another 3 inches.
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I don't care about the odds of some once-in-a-decade opportunity.
There are several guys who are the same to me and none of them are special - except for Manziel who is specially nuts and too small. (I'd rather have him of the 4...FWIW...but I'm not moving up to take him.)
One year removed from the RG III disaster and people think we should follow suit?
We need a QB...I get it...we can have one at #4 overall and I won't be upset. We don't need to move ONE spot to get "the" guy...because no one has separated themselves from the group. It's no one's fault...it just is what it is.
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I know we are all experts...lol 
But seriously even the experts cannot get it right. Its the toughest evaluation it is.
Spread offense 1 read, etc. etc. etc. it doesn't matter cause even a PRO STYLE offense will have different windows, reads etc. in the NFL.
Sometimes the IT factor should be the prime variable...oh they should be accurate and be able to make all the throws. It has nothing to do with wins (Colt McCoy) or Championships (McCarron??? Alabama QB) The it factor is the guy who goes out there and makes everyone and I mean on O n D everyone better.
It is the main reason I have liked Manziel for quite some time. I know the NFL basically is biased with height n size...although RG3 went through...oddly Wilson did not. Brees has to wait for the 2nd round and Rodgers late first.
With hindsight maybe Tannehill was the guy who got away in 2012 - Big Ben in 2004 MAC school
Who knows now we have probably our biggest cross roads in our team history - Getting a QB is necessary. Teddy is gone unless we offer something crazy...I don't see the Texans NOT Taking him just like Colt with Luck. All I know is Manziel has winner written all over him. He has it!
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I don't care about the odds of some once-in-a-decade opportunity.
There are several guys who are the same to me and none of them are special - except for Manziel who is specially nuts and too small. (I'd rather have him of the 4...FWIW...but I'm not moving up to take him.)
One year removed from the RG III disaster and people think we should follow suit?
We need a QB...I get it...we can have one at #4 overall and I won't be upset. We don't need to move ONE spot to get "the" guy...because no one has separated themselves from the group. It's no one's fault...it just is what it is.
This is why I'm gods there is a message board gods are. Everybody has an opinion. I love it.
WSU, one ting ore not taking into account is that we are not the only team looking for a QB. Which means the top 3 QB's can be taken by other teams, who also can auction of there picks to leap frog us.
Than what, WSU? Now we're sitting at 4, all the highest rated QB's off the board. Who do we pick then? BPA? Or does the FO reach for a QB again like the previous one? End up with another weeden?
IMO, nah, I'm good. We need to trade up to guarantee we to pick one of the top 3.
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So if there are ANY questions about a QB coming out in the draft, you don't move up to get him?
Depends on what you have to give up to move up and what the questions are. I'd never say ANY question, but I'd think there are some that are more important than others.
Footwork.. I think a good coach can teach that
Bad Decision Making: RED flag. Might not be worth moving up
Off field issues: If it's drugs, the answer is no way. But there are other off field issues that I could live with.
See what I mean..
If you gotta give 3 firsts and a 2nd to move up 3 spots, that kid better be squeaky clean with no serious physical issues. And he better be thought of as a "Can't Miss" kinda guy.
For instance, I loved the skills of RG 3, but I didn't like that he had a previous injury.
I'd loved to have had him, but I was worried about durability for the price.
I don't know if that answered your question.
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I was hoping we could get away from the 3 Stooges stuff.
But, that sig is a classic.
That sig is perfect, lol.... and the Stooges stuff will go away when they display sufficient reason for people to no longer believe it.
Respect is earned, and they've done very little to earn any - especially of late.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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I believe none of us are qualified to make such a call. I wouldn't be comfortable in making an "RG3 type deal" to move up to #2 in this draft.
But at some juncture, someone is going to have to have the ability to evaluate and make the call on landing us a QB. Most likely high in the draft. You just can't keep kicking that can down the road forever.
If you do you'll keep seeing the kind of flux in coaching changes and zero stability from the FO on down. That picture has been made perfectly clear since our return.
So not giving up an RG3 type deal we agree on. But if this fO feels "their guy" is there for the taking, I hope they make the move to get him.
And when this all flushes out? We'll see they're "not all the same". Answering your QB problem isn't an "insert name here" proposition. You have to get it right. I think one of the top 3 QB's in this draft will turn out fine. It's the job of this FO to figure out which one and get him.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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I was hoping we could get away from the 3 Stooges stuff.
But, that sig is a classic.
That sig is perfect, lol.... and the Stooges stuff will go away when they display sufficient reason for people to no longer believe it.
Respect is earned, and they've done very little to earn any - especially of late.
The really funny thing is (speaking for myself) they were really on their way for me. I thought they did a decent job as a FO. Especially since this is the first year many of them worked together.
Then they fire the HC after one year.. Geez 
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"Teddy has everything you NEED to be...."
"Manziel has some bust potential..."
"Bortles looks to be a solid prospect..."
A 'solid prospect' is now equal to a bona fide franchise qb?
Me thinks you proved my point.
There is no such thing as a bona fide franchise QB in the draft.. every QB has upside, every QB has weaknesses, every QB has bust potential... sure there are some like Luck who are as close as you can get but even those aren't sure things (re: Ryan Leaf) and those come along what... once every 5 or 6 years? Maybe less... so should we wait and hope we are in position to draft the next one? Should we settle for a later round pick and hope he works out? There are franchise QBs in almost every draft, the key is figuring out which ones they are usually... and if you have a good feeling one is, then you go get him... if you are wrong then you cut your losses and go get the next one... because until you have one, you aren't a serious threat to do much in the playoffs.
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I was hoping we could get away from the 3 Stooges stuff.
But, that sig is a classic.
That sig is perfect, lol.... and the Stooges stuff will go away when they display sufficient reason for people to no longer believe it.
Respect is earned, and they've done very little to earn any - especially of late.
My feeling exactly. When they stop acting like stooges, they'll stop being represented as the Stooges.
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This is why I'm gods there is a message board gods are. Everybody has an opinion. I love it.
WSU, one ting ore not taking into account is that we are not the only team looking for a QB. Which means the top 3 QB's can be taken by other teams, who also can auction of there picks to leap frog us.
Than what, WSU? Now we're sitting at 4, all the highest rated QB's off the board. Who do we pick then? BPA? Or does the FO reach for a QB again like the previous one? End up with another weeden?
IMO, nah, I'm good. We need to trade up to guarantee we to pick one of the top 3.
Bridgewater, Manziel, Bortles, Carr...maybe Hundley and Mariotta
All the same guy in that...they all have significant risks...they all should have upside...none of them are special.
Who are your top 3? Is the 4th guy just as "good"?
Take the guy that falls to us or wait until the tier two guys come around...guys in Rd2 or later like Brees, Foles, Brady...Mettenburger, Murray, Garrapola (sp?), McCarron
I think the gap between the top tier guys is very small...I think the gap between the tier 1 and tier 2 guys is not much greater.
I don't think anyone coming out is a clear up grade over Hoyer.
We need to take a chance on a guy no doubt. I'm just not advocating anywhere near the chance that you are.
If there are only (3) top QBs...and they go 1-2-3...they have been way overdrafted...and our #4 pick will be worth a great deal to anyone in need of help on the OL or DL...or to us at another position of need.
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I'm going to lock this thread, anyone can feel free to start a new one. When we decided to go with unlimited pages we were not aware of how this would effect people accessing the board on phones, etc. It's not working for those folks at all.
We will now be locking threads at 10 pages, and as always, posters can start a new thread if there is still interest in discussing the topic.
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