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Obi averages 5.3 ypc rushing and 7.4 ypc receiving. All he does is produce. We're so rush starved that it makes no sense whatsoever not to be giving him the rock 15-20 times a game. And while we're at it, stick Fozzy in there 5-10 times a game. They both are better than McGahee at this point, and even though our O-line couldn't open a twist-off bottle cap with a pair of vice-grips, Obi and Fozzy give us a better chance of at least having some type of run game as we make our playoff push. Yeah I said it, playoff push.
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McGahee had 21 carries for 31 yards.
Obi should get the ball more, he will gain more than McGahee. Done deal.
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And while we're at it, stick Fozzy in there 5-10 times a game.
I like it! 
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Not sure Fozzy can block, he looks bad in pass pro.
Obi though, I have no idea why he isn't getting more looks.
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I think it is clear that, for whatever reason, McGahee has the trust of the coaching staff and Ogbonnaya does not. That is the only explanation as to why McGahee is seeing the bulk of the playing time.
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 And in a somewhat-related note... Armond Smith was released by the Panthers before the game this weekend since Jonathan Stewart came off of PUP.
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I think it is clear that, for whatever reason, McGahee has the trust of the coaching staff and Ogbonnaya does not. That is the only explanation as to why McGahee is seeing the bulk of the playing time.
To me this is nonsensical. It has been this way with every coaching staff he's been on yet all he does is PRODUCE. 
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Not sure Fozzy can block, he looks bad in pass pro.
Obi though, I have no idea why he isn't getting more looks.
Don't need Fozzy to block, just gain yards. Obi can take care of 3rd pass pro.
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Obi averages 5.3 ypc rushing and 7.4 ypc receiving. All he does is produce.
Don't know. I remember almost identical conversations with Jerome Harrison years ago... but something he did (or didn't do) kept him from getting the touches everybody thought he should get.
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Maybe they think Ogbonnaya cannot hold up if he carries the ball on a regular basis? I do not know, just trying to come up with some reason.
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Obi averages 5.3 ypc rushing and 7.4 ypc receiving. All he does is produce.
Don't know. I remember almost identical conversations with Jerome Harrison years ago... but something he did (or didn't do) kept him from getting the touches everybody thought he should get.
Same with Whitaker, he couldn't pickup a blitz (block). No matter how good guys are, if they can't at least help chip guys out of the backfield and ideally pickup a linebacker/safety blitz, you can't keep running them out there.
The other teams know they can't block, so they are going to bring it.
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Obi averages 5.3 ypc rushing and 7.4 ypc receiving. All he does is produce.
Don't know. I remember almost identical conversations with Jerome Harrison years ago... but something he did (or didn't do) kept him from getting the touches everybody thought he should get.
And Hardesty last year.
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I would still love to see a screen pass setup for Whittaker. A couple blockers out front and get him space and I believe it would be a nice gain. JMHO.
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- Although HB, Willis McGhee did not help himself with a fumble his 31 yards on 21 attempts wasn’t his entire fault. He gained 33 yards after contact meaning, on average, he was contacted behind the line of scrimmage on every run.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/11/04/pff-reaction-blog-week-9-2/
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- Although HB, Willis McGhee did not help himself with a fumble his 31 yards on 21 attempts wasn’t his entire fault. He gained 33 yards after contact meaning, on average, he was contacted behind the line of scrimmage on every run.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/11/04/pff-reaction-blog-week-9-2/
Lol, a perfect statistical representation of what the game looked like yesterday.
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Oby or even Whittaker. Not sure why Willis is getting the bulk of the carries, just b/c he's a veteran and been in the league longer or whatver, doesn't make him the "best player at that position to help us win". He isn't.
He even fumbled it. Coaches do need to wake up cause as limited as we run it, I'd rather see Oby or Fozzy cause I think they'll squeeze through the hole. And I swear, the next toss play I see goto Willis I may throw up. He is WAY WAY WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too slow to run them and has been demolished every toss/sweep I've seen him execute.
IMO, keep Willis for close yardage or for pass protecton. All else, disperse amongst Whittaker and Oby! Maybe we'd have a decent run game and maybe Norv would dial up more runs... just maybe.
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Could they be keeping him fresh till after the bye... The weather will start being a factor and the run game will most likely be needed more if it becomes windy rainy and snowy..
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Anyone who has been paying attention, (so no one) Knows that up until about game 4 of this year, I have been one of Ogbonnay's biggest fans, on this board. Hardlay have a bad thing to say about him.
But ever since about game 4 or this year, I think Ogbonnaya's play has been a little bit disappointing.
I'm Not For or Against him seeing more chances with runs or pass attempts, I just hope he does more with the chances he does get.
I don't think they are currently avoiding him in the gameplan.
I think Chris Ogbonaya is a better player than he is showing, He might just show it, might as well just go out and prove it.
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https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/11/04/pff-reaction-blog-week-9-2/
A lot of that is due to him lacking any kind of acceleration too. Comparable to Weeden getting hit more than the other QBs, because he holds the ball longer.
Btw, TRich has been tops in that category ever since he entered the league....and he lacks it too (and the dancing/vision).
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Obi has been knicked up throughout his career. I think that him getting hurt as often as he has contributes.
Perhaps they think that they are getting the most out of him while limiting injury risks. He got a concussion early this season...perhaps that isn't helping. I've also seen him get crushed a few times...I think that he is just not healthy...When he's been healthy, he's gotten more touches. After the concussion and the couple/few times he's been tattooed, they've slowed him down.
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Maybe you're on to something. It just seems to me that throughout his time here in Cleveland, he has shown good, consistent production but is never given the chance to carry the ball with any regularity. Frankly, it boggles my mind. And my mind does not need any more boggling.
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Could they be keeping him fresh till after the bye... The weather will start being a factor and the run game will most likely be needed more if it becomes windy rainy and snowy..
IF??
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I think it's highly unlikely that Ogbonnaya maintains a 5.3 ypc average, or anything close, if he's getting 20+ touches a game.
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I'd like to see someone else get more touches. I keep hearing RB's by committee but 21 touches is a feature back...
If we're going to call for Weeden to get replaced for bad play, we should do the same for McGahee. Not getting it done right now. I like Obi, but something tells me that he should stick with his current role where they mix up a few options for him and let Whittaker take McGhaee's role. I like the burst out of him better.
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Lack of acceleration? I think that's being very generous. He takes the TRich stutter/hesitation to new levels. The guy slowed down and stopped several times before getting to the line.
I know we don't have the best run blocking line, but come on. That type of stuff is what got our "best offensive player" shipped out.
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On the 3-and-goal at the end of the fourth quarter I thought we had a touchdown as there was plenty of room around the edge to score. Then I realized our running back is the slowest in the league and he got tackled at the line of scrimmage.
I am not sure why McGahee is playing over Ogbonnaya. Like I said before I just think the coaches trust McGahee more for whatever reason. They are trying to win and see the team everyday, maybe Ogbonnaya does something in practice they do not like?
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I was initially pleased with McGahee in terms of expectations. He's running on fumes, but he's got enough vision to get it done on an acceptable level.
Problem is, vision doesn't mean much if the run blocking isn't there. McGahee has his own water to carry, but either way it's not a sound plan. It relies far too much on QB and D play, and while we're getting good returns there, you can't ask for the moon every week.
Maybe Obi and Fozzy can't block, or it's feared they can't hold up to the rigors. If that's the case, you play the cards you were dealt, but try and find some spots where you can get help elsewhere.
That kid plucked from our practice squad couldn't pass protect to save his life Sunday night, but he had some nice carries.
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I think no matter who our QB is we are going to be passing it 70% of the time anyway.
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That was something else I meant to bring up.
I'm not sure what to think of Norv's play calling to date, but it does seem that we had been looking to utilize Dion Lewis heavily in our offense.
That was probably a bigger loss than most realize in terms of planning.
I'd love to get Ben Tate next year. At this point, the Texans would have to be pretty dim not to lock him up. Pair him with a scatback and let them work.
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The Texans already owe Arian Foster a bundle of money. It would probably not be pertinent to lock up two running backs to large contracts.
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I';m hoping with two weeks for Fozzy to acclimate himself with the playbook, and team, he and Obi can get the majority of the snaps from here on out. I,ve got nothing against McGahee but everything that made him special is gone, and I'm glad we have a veteran presence, but we need some explosion out of our running game, teams will start to key in on the pass and we won't be able to score.
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According to Norv's interview Oby has been banged up with bruised ribs and that is why his touches have been limited.
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According to Norv's interview Oby has been banged up with bruised ribs and that is why his touches have been limited.
He also said Willis was banged up, so why not more Whittaker then? Makes no sense to me to give what few carries he calls in a game mostly to a 32 year old, banged up running back. None whatsoever.
If anything, it'd just be nice to see what Fozzy and Obi can do for us whenever Norv does decide to dial in a run play, which is almost as rare as an UFO sighting 
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Browns to give Ogbonnaya more carries
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Cleveland Browns coach Rob Chudzinski and offensive coordinator Norv Turner indicated they plan on giving the 6-foot, 225-pounder more carries in hopes of jump-starting their moribund running game, Brian Dulik of Chronicle Telegram reports.
“Absolutely, that sounds good,” said Ogbonnaya, who is averaging a team-best 5.3 yards per carry.
“Anytime you have an opportunity to help the team, you want to take advantage of it, whether that’s blocking more or catching more.
“I just want to do my job, so if that comes down to carrying the ball more, then so be it.”
While the Browns’ previous coaching staff saw Ogbonnya as little more than a spare part, the current brain trust has relied heavily on him.
Despite seeing most of his time as a blocking back, the Houston Texans’ castoff ranks third on the team in receptions (28), rushing yards (101) and touchdowns (2).
“For me, playing fullback, playing running back, playing special teams, a little receiver, that’s how I like it,” said Ogbonnaya, who is in his third season with Cleveland and his fourth in the NFL.
“I want to be that versatile player, and the last couple of weeks, I’ve been able to do everything. It’s definitely been fun.”
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I'm thinking it was only a matter of time before they read this thread. 
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One thing I have noticed about Chud is that he gives guys a chance to succeed, but it's not an indefinite chance. I think that he does a nice job of balancing things so that guys aren't pulled in a knee jerk manner, but they also don't get an indefinite length of rope either.
I thnk that is anexcellent point... seems to he wants to have an ample sampling before he makes a determination onplaying time etc.
Man it's nice to have a staff who's decisons are based in reality rather than a dart throw.
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