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Pagano on Trent's runs: "I don't know what the heck is going on..." http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...ck-is-going-on/Quote:
In the eight games since the Colts shipped a first-round draft pick to Cleveland for running back Trent Richardson, they’ve gotten a whopping 96 carries for 272 yards worth of production out of him. Does that sound like it’s worth a first-round pick to you?
Colts coach Chuck Pagano admits that 2.8 yards a carry isn’t what he was hoping for from Richardson, but Pagano claims that Richardson isn’t doing anything wrong. Instead, Pagano thinks Richardson has just had some bad luck, although Pagano can’t quite explain why it keeps happening.
“I don’t know if he’s snake bit, I don’t know what the heck is going on,” Pagano said. “We’ll get it fixed. We’ll get the holes there. He’s making the right reads, he’s doing all the right things, he knows what to do. He played great without the ball, protection-wise, those things. His numbers are going to come. I’m not concerned about that.”
Pagano said that Richardson hasn’t always had holes to run through, and you can’t blame him for that.
“You look at Trent’s runs, for whatever reason, there’s penetration, a guy is pulling and falls down,” Pagano said. “There’s a guy in the backfield waiting there. He had some really good runs, plays that he made in space, screens, things like that he does a great job with. That’s going to come.”
Asked if the Colts have any buyer’s remorse for the Richardson trade, Pagano answered, “Absolutely not.” That’s a little hard to believe, as it becomes clearer and clearer that they’ve given up next year’s first-round pick for a running back who isn’t as good as the one they already had on the roster, Donald Brown.
 
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Hey guys, I'm happy we got a first round pick for TRich, but there seems to be a little too much piling on the guy...a little too much glee for his struggles. I don't know....it feels kinda dirty. I think we should just leave the guy alone. I mean other some reports of him being aloof and a little standoffish, he really seemed to enjoy being in Cleveland and was doing his best.
I think we be happy we got a great trade, wish TRich the best, and move on. JMO.
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Hey guys, I'm happy we got a first round pick for TRich, but there seems to be a little too much piling on the guy...a little too much glee for his struggles. I don't know....it feels kinda dirty. I think we should just leave the guy alone. I mean other some reports of him being aloof and a little standoffish, he really seemed to enjoy being in Cleveland and was doing his best.
I think we be happy we got a great trade, wish TRich the best, and move on. JMO.
I agree. And we wonder why ex-players then bad mouth the Browns. Trent seems like a good guy. Lets be happy we got a great trade nd mov on.
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I agree.
I think some of it comes from the response some gave about it being a stupid trade and that we were trading away our best player, but it's time to move on.
I'll continue to root for the colts to lose this season, though now it seems the best we can hope for is a first round loss in the playoffs like we got when wr had Atlanta's first and fourth, but I wish Trent the best.
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Loosen up peeps. He is a high-round draft pick (technically two high round draft picks, and a trade involved with one) and is making a great deal of money.
Whether he played for us or not, he is and will be under scrutiny for being what he is. All top five draft picks are constantly under the spot light. They make the money they do because of the expectations that are being held of them.
Discussing his career doesn't necessarily mean dishing out pure hatred and wishing all the bad things to unfold upon him. That wasn't "my" intentions anyway to continue this thread and posting the above article (even with the emotions at the end). I just found it funny that someone said in the context "I don't know what the heck is going on". Like a car with engine troubles lol.
JMO, but I don't think there is any harm, negative intentions and anything of that nature in continuing to discuss Trent's performance. It'll be discussed whether we wish to partake in the argument/debate/conversation or not.
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I agree, but I understand why people are piling on him. After the trade most pundits and fans blasted the Browns, and openly mocked the fanbase. Every other non-browns board I visited was "lol Browns" and "classic clowns". So Browns fans are acting out in response to that IMO.
That being said, none of that was TRich's fault, and he left with class and never said anything negative publicly about his time here( As far as I know), so I'm not rooting against the guy. Just glad we finally made what looks like the right choice for once.
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watching todays osu game what are you guys opinion on Hyde in a browns uniform next season. could be a good power back to comliment to Deon Lewis.
since we have all prett much agreed to stop bashing trent, might as well start talking bout his replacement next year.
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JMO, but I don't think there is any harm, negative intentions and anything of that nature in continuing to discuss Trent's performance. It'll be discussed whether we wish to partake in the argument/debate/conversation or not.
It was how you presented it that took it from "discussing Trent's performance" to perceived bashing. You knew what you were doing by highlighting certain passages.  Let's not pretend that wasn't exactly what you'd intended.
To exemplify that concept, here's the other side to the coin to make it a false positive:
In the eight games since the Colts shipped a first-round draft pick to Cleveland for running back Trent Richardson, they’ve gotten a whopping 96 carries for 272 yards worth of production out of him. Does that sound like it’s worth a first-round pick to you?
Colts coach Chuck Pagano admits that 2.8 yards a carry isn’t what he was hoping for from Richardson, but Pagano claims that Richardson isn’t doing anything wrong. Instead, Pagano thinks Richardson has just had some bad luck, although Pagano can’t quite explain why it keeps happening. “I don’t know if he’s snake bit, I don’t know what the heck is going on,” Pagano said. “We’ll get it fixed. We’ll get the holes there. He’s making the right reads, he’s doing all the right things, he knows what to do. He played great without the ball, protection-wise, those things. His numbers are going to come. I’m not concerned about that.”Pagano said that Richardson hasn’t always had holes to run through, and you can’t blame him for that. “You look at Trent’s runs, for whatever reason, there’s penetration, a guy is pulling and falls down,” Pagano said. “There’s a guy in the backfield waiting there. He had some really good runs, plays that he made in space, screens, things like that he does a great job with. That’s going to come.”Asked if the Colts have any buyer’s remorse for the Richardson trade, Pagano answered, “Absolutely not.” That’s a little hard to believe, as it becomes clearer and clearer that they’ve given up next year’s first-round pick for a running back who isn’t as good as the one they already had on the roster, Donald Brown.
Now it's an apologetic post. *shrug*
He isn't producing like people want him to produce. The reasons are many from things in his control to things not in his control. The bashing does seem to be over-the-top and I believe it stems from a feeling of justification because of how much losing and bad selections we've made over the years.
That didn't feel like "discussing Trent's performance." That was just angry rock-throwing. Let's talk about the positives here...such as having two first round picks next year.
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Actually, the highlighted quote was b/c that was the title of the article. That was the reason for the emoticons things cause that quote, to me, is funny. The rest relate to Trent's performance. If he weren't traded up for, two first round picks, the end highlighted piece wouldn't have been highlighted by me. He is held in a different category/level cause as I stated, he was picked so high and lots of money and other things have been granted to him. With that said, it correlates to his performance for obvious reasons. He'll be judged harder b/c of the high position he was drafted, and then even more so of the trade. Interpretingthe "bashing" aspect, though, is understandable especially with the laughing and emotionions, but not what I posted it for. Like I said, if ya'll wanna just talk about the draft picks we got and stop talking about Trent, I respect that then. But regardless if there is no discussion here, there will be several elsewhere for reasons stated above. If he were drafted in the later rounds, who'd care? No one. 
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Hey guys, I'm happy we got a first round pick for TRich, but there seems to be a little too much piling on the guy...a little too much glee for his struggles. I don't know....it feels kinda dirty. I think we should just leave the guy alone. I mean other some reports of him being aloof and a little standoffish, he really seemed to enjoy being in Cleveland and was doing his best.
I think we be happy we got a great trade, wish TRich the best, and move on. JMO.
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I am an SEC fan and have felt the Big 10 has for the most part been depleted in top level talent over the last 4 or 5 years but Hyde is the exception. I like this kid and feel he is late first early 2nd round talent and thats the value of the best backs. Feature back in his future.
As for the Trich part. I hope he gets healthy and has the career we wanted him to have here but backs with knee surgery before the draft pretty much always seem to be total busts.
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Maybe it's just a matter of perception, but I didn't necessarily see this as a bashing thread. I feel more like its proof and justification that this front office is committed to putting the best product on the field for their vision and Trent just didn't fit. They evaluated his worth and felt that it made sense to cut their losses in a no brainer trade on a RB that they felt wasn't panning out for them. While we don't have a star back in place as of this moment, look around the league and determine the success of the running game as a whole and where we are at in the scheme of things and I will have to say that I feel much more confident In the FO with Trent not going to another team and blowing it up making it look like we have no clue how to properly use "Star" players.
Kudos and keep up the good work Banner and Co.
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I hope Trent does well in the league. I really do, But if I had a choice, I'd want him to do well starting next year. for purely selfish reasons, I'd like the Colts to lose every game the rest of the year making their pick we got for Trent better for us.
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I am an SEC fan and have felt the Big 10 has for the most part been depleted in top level talent over the last 4 or 5 years but Hyde is the exception. I like this kid and feel he is late first early 2nd round talent and thats the value of the best backs. Feature back in his future.
As for the Trich part. I hope he gets healthy and has the career we wanted him to have here but backs with knee surgery before the draft pretty much always seem to be total busts.
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I really like this kid. He has great vision and hips, runs the ball down hill well, has speed enough to get to the outside and has the size to pound it.
I would pick him up in the 2nd round. But I think he will be gone by then and taken in the Late First Rd.
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...there seems to be a little too much piling on the guy...a little too much glee for his struggles. I don't know....it feels kinda dirty.
I feel the same way. Love acquiring the extra 1st round pick. TRich not doing any better there than he did here makes us look the smarter for the deal. It makes our OL look less the problem. But it's no reason to gloat and revel in it.
He did give us 50 yards short of 1000 and 11 TDs working for a bad team with no QB. I'm thankful to him for that. Plus, he left in a professional manner telling the fans not to give up on the Browns because they're about to turn the corner.
We let him go. Now we need to let him go.
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I don't want to pile on Trent, because I really think that he brought fire and drive to the locker room ..... but I think that Pagano is really making a lot of excuses for Trent in that statement.
When the NFL shows on the various networks break down Trent's runs, and compare and contrast them with Donald Brown's runs, the difference is staggering. They show Brown t the hole, through the hole, and down the field for a nice gain. Then they show Trent to the line, missing the hole, running to the opposite side for nothing ....... on the same play, with the same openings by the OL.
I have nothing against Trent, and I loved the guts he showed playing with broken ribs last year. I cannot imagine what it has to be like to play an NFL game with broken ribs. I fractured a rib once, (OK, twice) and it was hard just to breathe. I respect the heck out of the fact that he was able to go out there and run guys over with a broken rib.
Anyway, when you watch Trent, it is painfully obvious that he really lacks special talent. He is hard to bring down. He runs hard as he can. He goes all out on every play. Unfortunately, it appears to me that he really lacks the vision that elite backs possess.
It will be interesting to see how his career unfolds.
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All said and done, we did well in that trade.
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As I watch college games heck there are a lot of good RBs out there...loads!
And with passing offense they get a lot of catching in plus pass blocking. So that has always been the hard to transition part in the past with RBs coming into the NFL.
The RB from Auburn looked great, same with Geogia's. Baylors - I thought it was odd yesterday was the first pass he caught in the season as well as any RB on the team???
my point...if RB is a need we can get a VERY good one late first or second round. Probably better than Trent who is struggling right now.
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Candy already said this in the college football thread, but I would also love to see OSU's Carlos Hyde in an orange helmet next fall. Big, fast, elusive, and he runs downhill between the tackles. You most likely won't need to use a 1st or 2nd rounder for him either, he should be there in the 3rd.
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Add to his can-do list, the ability to catch the ball!
I doubt he slides into the third round. He's well on his way to getting 1000 yards rushing. He is having a great season thus far too excluding the games he missed. I think this OSU's NFL career as RB will be more delightful than Beanie's...
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It's a small criticism, but I have noticed that Hyde seems to get winded very often. I still see him as a late 2nd-mid-3rd rounder. I don't believe he's all that fast or that dynamic. As a role-player type he might not be a bad guy to get.
Having said all that, I sure enjoy watching him get on a roll late in games.
It's nice being able to watch nearly every OSU game this season down here in Austin. That's a real pleasure.
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IMO, Hyde would be worth a 2nd round pick, but CBS and Walter Football have him ranked as the 9th best RB in the 2014 draft, and project him to the 3rd-4th round. Draft-Tek thinks he's a UDFA, which is crazy. I also got the chance to see a little of James Wilder Jr yesterday (FSU?) and was impressed - he reminded me of Chuck Muncie (probably before your time, but trust me, he was a load).
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I read Hyde ran about 4.62, which isn't great, but he is 242 lbs. I heard an announcer say he had "game speed". I don't know what that means exactly, but after watching his two long TD runs yesterday, I believe it. He left those DBs in the dust.
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Dave, don't put any stock into those scouting reports right now. They are outdated and based on the start of the season. If you think about Hyde reportedly being booted from the team earlier in the season you can understand why he'd be listed as an UDFA, hehe.
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I'm in the no-RBs before the 3rd round club. I'm also in the no-fatties club.
We have Dion Lewis to look forward to next year. I'd much rather have him than some guy running a 4.62 40 and weighing 240 lbs. Maybe draft another speedster in the 3rd - 5th would make me happy.
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I like the idea of having a masher with a burst, and a speedster who can gash a defense. I think that we need both guys in winter in Cleveland.
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As I watch college games heck there are a lot of good RBs out there...loads!
And with passing offense they get a lot of catching in plus pass blocking. So that has always been the hard to transition part in the past with RBs coming into the NFL.
The RB from Auburn looked great, same with Geogia's. Baylors - I thought it was odd yesterday was the first pass he caught in the season as well as any RB on the team???
my point...if RB is a need we can get a VERY good one late first or second round. Probably better than Trent who is struggling right now.
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We could get enormously productive RBs anywhere from the 4th to UDFAs. I wouldn't draft a RB anywhere above the 4th round. Period.
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Not to continue bashing the guy ...... but man ... what planet is he living on? Trent Richardson: 'I think I've been playing good' - CBSSports.com http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24248965/trent-richardson-i-think-ive-been-playing-goodThe Colts trade for Trent Richardson has been, almost unquestionably, a huge bust so far. Richardson is averaging 2.8 yards per carry since arriving in Indianapolis and hasn't looked even in the slightest bit explosive. But don't tell him that. That former Browns running back says he thinks he's "been playing good." "I'm not frustrated at all because I think I've been playing good," Richardson told the Indianapolis Star. "If you turn on the film, I don't have any missed assignments. I haven't had any missed reads. I've been playing good. Stuff just hasn't matched up like we thought it would when I'm in there. I think teams match up differently when I come in." That's ... one way to look at it. Not missing assignments is good. Not whiffing on reads is great. But the Colts gave up a first-round pick for Richardson. He's supposed to be gashing yards and busting off big plays when the Colts get him in space. He's done neither and the only Colts first-round pick who's looked effective is Donald Brown. Richardson is OK with that. "But if Donald is having a good day or (quarterback) Andrew (Luck) is having a good day, I think that's a good day for me even if people are keying on me," Richardson said. "That might let Donald get going or let Andrew have a big day. That's a good day for me, too." Richardson says that he's fine with his short yardage because he's going up against big fronts and that he's been doing his job "the whole time." "If I don't have big runs because they're trying to stop the run, then I feel like I'm doing my job," he said. "Now, if I'm out there missing my reads and not blocking and not being a (complete) back, that's different. Being an all-around back, you have to be able to block, be able to catch, you just have to make plays every way you can. "I think I've been on my job the whole time." Maybe he has. That's for the coaching staff to decide. But the eye test shows that Richardson -- regardless of his assignment -- has been struggling in 2013. And while his confidence is good, the statistics and production don't back it up.
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Bash the guy, don't bash the guy, commentary, stats...whatever floats your boat, but did this need it's own thread?  There's a perfectly useless Richardson thread right on the front page.
Just sayin', Ytown, because even if your intention isn't to bash, it seems that way when yet another Richardson thread appears and the words are "what planet is he living on?"
Besides, as we've all said before regarding numerous players, what else should he say? If he says anything other than what he said he'd catch Hell for it.
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Uh, Trent, that's "playing well." I hope your football career takes off soon, because.....
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Well, that other Trent thread is closed and locked.
I felt that this was something new and interesting.
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Come on Ytown...should of used Trent thread # 4...lol j/k
Trent is pass blocking well. of course a UDFA FB can do that well. He does run hard - I'm telling you the more I look at him and its so much easier to watch him outside of our Brown's box cause I am biased. He's a 3rd Down Back...a Scatter back in a 230 lb body. Let him run all of Sproles plays and he can be dynamic. In space where his vision doesn't have to be great. He has explosion at the Tackle he can break tackles as I think he led the NFL in YAC yards after contact last season. Maybe that was a pre-rib thing... but as a 3 down back not to be confused with a 3rd down back - he just lacks that vision!
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So, should we turn this into a Bash Ytown thread
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yep, Donald Brown whiffed on a couple blitzers yet again last Sunday and forced Luck to throw passes off and got him rattled early.
Richardson has been terrible running the ball, but he's doing well picking up those blitzers. So, we spent a #3 overall pick and Indy gave up a 1st rounder for a bigger version of Ogbannaya.
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yep, Donald Brown whiffed on a couple blitzers yet again last Sunday and forced Luck to throw passes off and got him rattled early.
Richardson has been terrible running the ball, but he's doing well picking up those blitzers. So, we spent a #3 overall pick and Indy gave up a 1st rounder for a bigger version of Ogbannaya.
Ogbannaya averages 5+ a carry this year. Don't take him down to Trent's level.
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Ogbonnaya is actually at 6.3ypc now! Trent is at 2.8ypc (for Indy). I apologize as Oggie-B is 2X+ the RB
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I've noticed that over-inflated opinion of himself after a couple of games and it showed on the field too when he just "changed" plays by running wherever he wanted to instead of following his blocks (remember the GL play where he tried to "jump over" instead of walking in for an untouched TD as planned?) and the constant dancing, looking for the HR instead of taking the 2-5yds that were there. I despised him for that, but he got a free pass from most and was a saint who could do no wrong.
Love this line: "If I don't have big runs because they're trying to stop the run, then I feel like I'm doing my job"…umm, no? I could sign a bum of the street to run for 1yd when they want to stop the runner, lol You, MrRichardson get paid millions, because you were supposed to do more than that even facing teams who want to stop you, which btw has been proven a fallacy even when he was here and with Luck in Indy, I'd think D's concentrate more on him than Mr. sub-3ypc. He thinks he works as "decoy" for D.Brown and Andrew Luck? Really? Maybe he wants to join the CIA too? Nice ego there, hate when players talk without backing it up on the field
This trade is one of the best moves this new regime has done, as it was an aggressive gamble that was not as evident at the time of the trade. They're proven right sunday after sunday. They got rid of a big contract long term (although they'll have to "eat" over 6mil on cap hit next season) and even got a 1st back. Well done
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