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so, we aren't going to the playoffs. it was fun being in the hunt, but after 2 duds back to back, well, whatever.

but i figured we can talk about the one bright spot on offense: Josh gordon.

here's some stats through week 12(WR's only):

tied for 24th in the NFL in receptions - 54. (tied 11th AFC)
ranked 5th in the NFL in yards - 988 (4th AFC)
of the top 10 WR in yards, he is 1st in the NFL in average yards per catch - 18.3
ranked 3rd in the NFL in yards per game - 109.8 (1st AFC)
tied for 22nd in the NFL in TD's - 5 (tied 10th AFC)
tied for 19th in the NFL in longest Catch - 74 (tied 5th AFC)
tied for 3rd in the NFL for catches for 20 yards or more - 16(tied 1st AFC)
tied for 4th in the NFL for catches for 40 yards or more - 5 (tied 3rd AFC)
tied for 12th in the NFL for 1st down catches - 40 (tied 5th AFC)


no turnovers.

those are pro bowl numbers.

he's only 22. he's had 3 different QB's throwing 2 him. he's constantly doubled.

we have a #1 WR. period. there's no if's, and's, or but's about it.

that is all.


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completely agree - he's been incredible for the Browns. Great choice in the supplemental draft


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Unfortunately he's one joint/aderoll pill/sip of Robitusen (however that's spelled) from a year long suspension..............

And after that, I think he just stays in the year long suspensions, it's not like he enters the program again from the start.

Gordon is a very good player. Tons of talent. But I dunno if I'm counting on him being our star for years to come. He's had a history of banned substance problems, and it doesn't seem to be slowing down. I mean technically, he must have failed two tests since coming into the NFL, right? What you did in college doesn't matter, it starts with the combine and goes from there?

And once you're in the program, you're in the program. Random testing, etc. It doesn't end. So yeah, I just think his off the field habits very well might destroy his career. We shall see.........


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He will be in stage 2 of the drug program for a period of 24 months from the time he first entered the program. If he completes stage 2, then he will be returned to "pristine" condition in the eys of the NFL, as if he had never had a positive test.

If a player goes into stage 3, then he would remain in stage 3 for the rest of his career, with the more stringent testing requirements.

Here is a copy of the drug policy. Is is rather complicated, and a guaranteed headache in the making. lol

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Josh has been the only real weapon on offense all year.Its weird other teams knows this and still can't stop him.

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Ah finally someone else is taking over my job.

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cool, i understand the drug policy.

that doesn't change the fact that he just put up megatron numbers today, and has been putting up pro bowl numbers, even with missing the first 2 games.

he's our #1. to trade him would be stupid. the only reason we didn't get shut out against the steelers was because he was on the field. without him, it would've been 27-0.


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Unfortunately he's one joint/aderoll pill/sip of Robitusen (however that's spelled) from a year long suspension..............




I don't think that's accurate. Might want to check your sources.

Anyway, yeah, he's a #1. Hard to argue with it. And he's got those stats with 2 fewer games than some of those ahead of him.


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I was at the stadium and I couldn't tell you how many times Gordon beat single and double coverage and was open, just never found. I'd assume it was similar in all the other games.

True WR is meaningless without a QB that can find him and deliver him catchable balls.

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If he can keep his nose clean, I think he could be a top 5 receiver in this league. Big, fast and strong are what you need when you're going up against CBs who are 4-5 inches shorter than you. He looks like he needs a fire lit under his butt from time to time though but I think a lot of receivers through history have been like this. If we can get a legit franchise QB, I think we have a core of guys that could make this team very, very good.

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My gut tells me we could very well trade him at the draft.



This type of kid, a full offseason after some success. One strike away from a year? Sounds like trouble to me.

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Lets put it this way...the best WR we ever had. I think he is going to get a lot better.

The only negative is that dark cloud hanging over his head...being a fan I'm counting on him maturing in time - the real test will be this off season.

Some will also possibly think he is lazy or not trying hard enough. The kid is a glider/smooth Its a different style. He never looks like he is running hard - but he is. Sometimes I'm disappointed that Campbell doesn't trust him enough to just go for it when he has one on one. Weeden as much as he sucks, I have to give him credit as he chose to lock in on the right guy and hit him a lot.

True # 1 - Lets just say if he stays here most of his career and stays clean. He will own all our records for WR.
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Unfortunately he's one joint/aderoll pill/sip of Robitusen (however that's spelled) from a year long suspension..............



While that is unfortunate, whatever the actual drug policy says will happen... as it relates to the Browns plans for NEXT YEAR, unless he is suspended before the draft, I don't care.

If we were the Seahawks and our #1 WR had those issues I might consider drafting an insurance policy high in the draft because they just don't have that many other needs.. we aren't them. We need to fill a few other high priority needs and just hope and pray that Gordon keeps himself out of trouble.


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How sad. A great thread started to celebrate Josh Gordon, and most of the replies are about his legal issues.

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My gut tells me we could very well trade him at the draft.



This type of kid, a full offseason after some success. One strike away from a year? Sounds like trouble to me.




we gotta take a chance. i seriously doubt we will get another WR like this. and he's only 22. theres no reason to get rid of him, especially if other teams won't offer a good pick.


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My gut tells me we could very well trade him at the draft.



This type of kid, a full offseason after some success. One strike away from a year? Sounds like trouble to me.




we gotta take a chance. i seriously doubt we will get another WR like this. and he's only 22. theres no reason to get rid of him, especially if other teams won't offer a good pick.




I agree, but if it takes Gordon to get our Franchise QB, what would you do?

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How sad. A great thread started to celebrate Josh Gordon, and most of the replies are about his legal issues.




Unfortunately, he has placed himself in that topic. Trust me, I think most Brown's fan wished we didn't have that aspect to talk about, but we do and it is what it is.

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My gut tells me we could very well trade him at the draft.



This type of kid, a full offseason after some success. One strike away from a year? Sounds like trouble to me.




we gotta take a chance. i seriously doubt we will get another WR like this. and he's only 22. theres no reason to get rid of him, especially if other teams won't offer a good pick.




I agree, but if it takes Gordon to get our Franchise QB, what would you do?




then i would do it. as much as it pains me to say. when it comes to a true franchise QB, you gotta do whatever it takes if we think thats the guy.

but some posters were saying trade him for different players, or picks that wouldn't effect us with drafting a QB, and thats just DUMB.

you don't trade away sure fire talent for hopes and dreams. i just don't agree with that.


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Depends...

Is this 'franchise QB' an Andrew Luck? Is he a can't miss, pro-bowl, future HOF QB? If so, bye bye Josh Gordon.

Is this 'franchise QB' Teddy Bridgewater? If so, then no you don't trade Josh Gordon, because Bridgewater is far from a sure thing.

Look, I'm all for giving up whatever it takes, draft pick wise to go get our Quarterback. But I don't think you can get rid of a guy like Gordon to get a QB that you don't know if he'll work out. And I don't see that sure-fire pick in this draft.



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My gut tells me we could very well trade him at the draft.



This type of kid, a full offseason after some success. One strike away from a year? Sounds like trouble to me.




we gotta take a chance. i seriously doubt we will get another WR like this. and he's only 22. theres no reason to get rid of him, especially if other teams won't offer a good pick.




I agree, but if it takes Gordon to get our Franchise QB, what would you do?




Then you find another way.


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How sad. A great thread started to celebrate Josh Gordon, and most of the replies are about his legal issues.




Yeah, it's our fault that he has been busted for drugs five times.

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How sad. A great thread started to celebrate Josh Gordon, and most of the replies are about his legal issues.




Yeah, it's our fault that he has been busted for drugs five times.




this thread was created to talk about his game ON the field, and what he can bring to us in the future. i think you guys opinion on him as far as drugs has been covered quite enough,


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Nope, the purpose of a Browns fan is to find the potential of darkness in one of the few bright spots for this season.


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How sad. A great thread started to celebrate Josh Gordon, and most of the replies are about his legal issues.




Yeah, it's our fault that he has been busted for drugs five times.




You choose your perspective. I say the pessimism about Gordon, and about the team in general, is disproportionate. But I'm probably just crazy.

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CLEVELAND -- A season that began with a drug suspension and trade rumors for Browns receiver Josh Gordon could end with him obliterating former Browns' receiver Braylon Edwards' single-season receiving record.

Not only is Gordon on pace to shatter Edwards' record of 1,289 set in 2007 under then offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski, he's set to do it in 14 games instead of the 16 it took Edwards.

Gordon has 988 yards (fifth in the NFL) heading into Sunday's game against the 2-9 Jaguars, an average of 109.8 per game for second in the NFL. At that clip, he'd finish the season with 1,536 yards -- 247 more than Edwards' total in that 10-6 season.

And in two fewer games.

"The single-season record? That would be a great deal,'' said Gordon. "Anytime you get into the history books, it's a great feat for anybody no matter what it is. But something like that at wide receiver, it's definitely a goal of mine. The fact it's happened on the NFL level is a big deal to me. Hopefully I can chase that rabbit and I can get it -- but ultimately we want some more wins. We want to win out.''

Had Gordon not been suspended those first two games -- losses to Miami and Baltimore -- and gotten out to the same blistering start, he'd currently be No. 1 in the NFL with 1,207 yards -- nine more than Detroit's Calvin Johnson.

"I told you guys how good he was,'' said quarterback Brandon Weeden, who predicted in the offseason that Gordon would be a top three receiver.

What's more, had Gordon been around from the beginning, he most likely would've crushed Edwards' mark next week in New England -- a full four games fewer than it took Edwards to set it. As it stands, the second-year pro needs 302 yards -- an average of 60.2 per game to top the six-year-old mark.

"He’s way ahead of the young receivers I’ve been around in terms of the way he has developed through this year,'' said offensive coordinator Norv Turner. "(It's the combination of his ability to make big plays and he’s developing as a route runner. In college, they're not running the disciplined routes that we’d ask a guy to run. He's improved in that area.''

During last week's 27-11 loss to the Steelers, Gordon tied the franchise mark with 14 catches and broke Ozzie Newsome's single-game record of 191 yards with his 237-yard output.

"I’ve been trying to have a great game like that for a while,'' said Gordon. "It was just kind of a relief to me, if anything, to actually have something like that happen.”

Added Turner: "You don’t want to do it when it’s a losing cause but the fact that he physically did it means that he’s going to continue to do it and he’s going to help this team win a lot of games.''

Gordon's teammates, who've watched him grow from immature kid to amazing talent, are pulling for him to get the yardage record. Already, his 988 yards are the most by a Brown through the first 11 games of a season, and his 1,793 yards are the most by any Brown in his first 25 games.

"I hope he does (it),'' said left tackle Joe Thomas. "To only have 14 games, that's impressive.''

Gordon acknowledged that the record would be that much sweeter in a year when he missed the first two games for violating the NFL's substance abuse policy. With Gordon facing banishment from the NFL for a minimum of one year if he fails another drug test, the Browns were willing to listen to trade offers.

Several came, but none were good enough to pry the budding superstar away from them.

“This was a tough year for me,'' said Gordon, who spent some of his suspension working with the Boys and Girls Club of Cleveland. "I see it as a real persevering type-deal the whole season, honestly. That’s really what it is, just pushing through the adversity. It just goes to show that if you just stay level-headed, get your head out of the rumors and negativity, you can rise above or overcome just about everything. And that’s what I’m trying to do.”

The defensive backs who cover Gordon in practice aren't surprised by the records falling at his feet. Projected over 16 games, he would've been on pace for 1,756 yards this season -- good enough for No. 2 in the NFL last season behind Johnson's 1,964.

"He's an absolute beast,'' said safety Tashaun Gipson. "I'm glad he's on my team and we don't have to guard him. I definitely respect his game, his work ethic, the way he approaches the game. I'm glad I'm with him every Sunday instead of against him.''

Added premier cornerback Joe Haden: "He's really, really, really good. I always knew he had it in him. When the game comes, he's a legit No. 1. When we're in situations, just throw it to him, because he's going to make plays.''

How does he compare to the A.J. Greens and the Johnsons that Haden faces every week?

"He's up there,'' said Haden. "He's up there with all of them. He's up there with the best of them. As long as he gets the opportunities, you see what happens when he gets the ball in his hands. He's one of the best.''

Still, Gordon speaks with the humility of a young man who got kicked out of Baylor and Utah for failing marijuana tests and is skating on thin ice in the pros. Despite his dazzling numbers -- including a second-ranked 18.3 yards per catch -- he feels any Pro Bowl talk is premature. Unlike Haden, who was banned from Pro Bowl consideration last year because he used a performance-enhancing drug, Gordon is eligible for the postseason award.

"I feel as though I've got a lot more football to play and a lot more to prove and hopefully at least make some more believers, get some eyes out here watching us,'' he said.

Does Gordon feel it's too in the season for Pro Bowl talk -- or in his career?

"In a sense for both,'' he said. "Really in my head, that's not really where I'm at. I've never been. Ultimately right now my mind is straight (on) winning games. But I do realize it's definitely a possibility, so if it were to happen, it would be great -- like breaking the single-season record. I'd definitely appreciate it. Hopefully it does, honestly.''

Gordon, who will work against three rookies in the Jaguars defensive backfield on Sunday, just wants to make sure he's truly earned the honor if it comes.

"I feel as though I've still got a lot more to prove and if it's going to be, I hope it's an undeniable-type thing and I know I deserved it,'' he said. "I don't want it to be just hearsay and buildup or hype around it for something that's not true. I definitely want to go out there and prove it.''

Said Gipson: "Pro Bowl? He's got my vote (can't really vote for a teammate). I'm pretty sure he'll get a lot more. At the end of the day he's just going out there doing his job and he's letting his numbers and his impact on the team speak for itself.''

Said Haden: "He should (make the Pro Bowl). He's playing like one of the best receivers in the league and his numbers prove it for sure.''

Likewise, Gordon, who needs just 12 yards on Sunday to reach the coveted 1,000-yard milestone, isn't ready to call himself elite.

"I'm not there yet,'' he said. "I feel as though I'm getting there, though. I've got a few more years to go to get into the postseason -- a lot more yards, a lot more wins for this program, for this team, but I definitely feel I can get there.''

Gordon faces a Jaguars team that's without its own star receiver in Justin Blackmon, who's banned at least until the start of next season for repeated violations of the league's substance abuse policy. But Gordon hasn't really viewed the 2012 fifth overall pick as his own cautionary tale.

“Honestly, it really wasn’t because that’s a totally different guy, totally different situation,'' said Gordon. "I wish the best to him, but I know nothing about that situation. I’ve got to take care of my situation regardless. It’s just kind of a look as to see what really can happen with the NFL. But as to me being motivated to do the right thing, I should always be in that mindset, and that’s how I am. It’s just unfortunate that happened to him.”

Gordon, who was suspended for what he said was codeine in his prescription cough syrup, is certain that he won't go the way of Blackmon and get kicked out for at least a year.

"I’m confident because I just know me, I know myself,'' he said. "Things like that coming in between me and my goals and my career, I can’t really see that happening. It’s unfortunate for him. But I’m my own man, and I can do things a totally different way. Off the field just comes easy. Do the same things I’ve been doing, stay level, study the game. It’s more complex on the field than it is off the field.''

Gordon is mostly quiet, but is starting to trust the players and coaches around him.

"The thing about Josh is obviously his personality, he is to himself, but he has opened up a lot through this year,'' said Turner. "He’s got a very good sense of humor. I think he’s learning all the things that you have to do in this league, whether it be the things you have to do in meetings, the things you have to do in walkthroughs, the things you have to do on a day-to-day basis, and I think he’s improved in all of those areas.”

Thomas has been impressed with how Gordon has handled all the attention surrounding his suspension and the trade rumors.

"It’s a tough thing, especially as a young player, when you have a lot of things swirling around you,'' said Thomas. "People are always asking you about, ‘Do you want to be here? Do you want to be traded?’ I think that’s big part of his growing and maturity process that he was able to put that behind him and understand that he needs to focus on what happens on the field. It’s great to see because the sky’s the limit with Josh.

"He's a big, fast, Calvin Johnson-type receiver that can run past you and jump over you, it just fits perfectly with this offense.''

Gordon, who set the team record with five 100-yard games this season, has remained close with his former Baylor coach Art Briles, and is also being mentored from afar by Hall of Fame receiver Michael Irvin. In Cleveland, quarterback Jason Campbell has taken him under his wing, as have others.

"You get real close together,'' he said. "As the season goes, guys grow more comfortable with each other. We just sync up pretty nicely and have good camaraderie and a great atmosphere as teammates. You realize you’re going to be here awhile and you've got to get used to seeing everybody, so you come down to earth.''

The Browns are hoping he doesn't do that anytime soon.



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personally, I still think he is more like randy moss than megatron.


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Josh Gordon isn't a #1 receiver.

Lol.

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There are a number of teams in the NFL kicking themselves for not offering more for Gordon when the Browns were apparently listening to offers.


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he topped his monstrously game against the steelers with a Titan-like game today.

anyone saying he isn't a #1, you can politely exit out of this thread now.


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yeah... I guess being the number 2 WR in the receiving yards in 2 less games than megatron (by 50 yards) would make him not a number 1 WR.


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I hope we trade him in the offseason now that his value is so high. I'm so scared he will get suspended again I'm wetting my pants.

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I hope we trade him in the offseason now that his value is so high. I'm so scared he will get suspended again I'm wetting my pants.




ummm when was the last time we had a legit number 1 WR on this team? 20+ years ago?

I'll take my chances. he's 22 and I promise you... everyone in the world would die to have him on their team.


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I hope we trade him in the offseason now that his value is so high. I'm so scared he will get suspended again I'm wetting my pants.




this is why i can't stand browns fans. we finally get legit players, and all you guys wanna do is harp on the negatives.

if he gets suspended, all well. if we trade him, then what? who is our new QB next year gonna throw to? we might as well keep weeden if thats the case, because we aren't going to see any improvement in the offense, if anything it will DROP.

the guy is #2 in receiving yards. 2 back to back 230+ yard games, six 100 yard receiving games, 1249 yards receiving, and we still have 4 games to go. we haven't had this type of production in a WR since Braylon, and Gordon is about to DESTROY his numbers from 2007.


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he only needs 40 yards to go and he will do it in 14 games


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Can we start calling him Soundwave? Just as good as Megatron, but doesn't get the same credit?

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Flash would work for me....

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hahahaha I love Flash Gordon!

my friend has a red t shirt with the lightning bolt and gordon's name and number on the back


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Just think how dangerous the stadium would be.... Dawg bones and lighting bolts...hell they may start making you sign waivers before you go in...

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Thought I made that ridiculous enough to be taken ironically. Guess not.

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