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Best Case: We win'em all
Worst case: We lose'em all
reality: Never happen

I think we can beat the Jags even with Weeden
THEN lose'em all
Maybe beat the Jets - doubtful
IF we beat Pitt- doubtful- it will be for pride only

Yep.

Jags dominated the Texans yesterday, so with Weeden probably starting, that is not a given.

Jags have won two in a row. At this point I don't even care if they win another game this year. Sole exception would be beating Pitt to keep them out of the playoffs. Maybe have TJ blast Berger in the head like Will Allen did to Campbell.

I've finally just become numb to this team.

As soon as Weeden came in yesterday, I went and laid down to watch the rest of the game. Ended up getting a nice little nap in during the second half.

I imagine I'll be doing a lot of that over these next 5 games.

I had a Dexter marathon

Well all I know is we got to have more than 5 wins...I just don't wish to read all the nauseous debates how this regime sucks like the last. Fire em all you all know it will happen.

Win em all...if we do we deserve to be in the playoffs and should be a front runner to win the SB.
Odds? Well lets just say I'm not going to hold my breath but I'll be rooting for that scenario.

We are catching teams while they are hot...Steelers were pushovers in the beginning of the season. Now one of the hottest teams. Jags...seem to be on a streak as well.

Rest of the season - my hopes are that the team does not lose faith in our NEW COACHES...that they continue to play hard and somewhere along the line learn how to finish. Its tough without a capable QB...even when Campbell statistically plays OK, there is something grossly missing from him. I almost was relieved having Weeden come in the game...at least he threw the ball down field as he locked in...Campbell seemed to pre snap read and did not do progressions - even his check downs seemed Pre read.

I just wish the Steelers NEED that last game to get in the playoffs and we make their FANS CRY!


Oh and LETS GO...whoever plays the Colts!

JMHO

The only important thing now is moving up in the draft. As usual, we play for high draft pick.

Winning is overrated anyway. We get our attention and glory by always being in the top five pick range come draft day we should be granted a trophy for our hard work...

Hats off to the Pats. Good watch that. Brady got them going. I am now rooting for whoever can sack Romo, the Rotter, and Dalton. My loyalty is wandering a bit. Oh, and Flacko.

Jags may not be a gimme. We cannot look past anybody (especially with Weeden the Nimble).

Will we need to pick up another QB for backup?

Best: 7-9
Worst: 4-12
Reality: 5-11 or 6-10
It's really not far off from what I predicted at the start of the season.

Not this week, but I bet we will see him sometime in the next couple games.

Best case we win them all? I take it you're perfectly satisfied with our current quarterback situation and have no desire to see the Browns draft a quarterback in 2014? As it stands now we have way too many teams drafting in front of us and almost all of them need a QB. Vikings, Bucs, Jags and Texans ALL are in dire need of a quarterback. What we need to do is lose out and hope one or more of these teams win enough to move us up in the draft. Of course that won't mean a thing if these guys blow the pick. Fun being a Browns fan, isn't it?

I hear ya and I'm for sure not sticking up for Weeden, but we've gotten not much better play outta Jason these recent games. Ribs or something, he went from hero to zero in no time.

I'll watch, but I just don't have any positive expectations.

Didn't know where to put this. Can't believe I read it...


Brandon Weeden: I don’t listen to outside noise
Posted by Josh Alper on November 28, 2013, 12:11 PM EST
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The Browns are starting Brandon Weeden against the Jaguars this week, which will give one the home crowd another chance to register their disapproval of the job Weeden has done since joining the team last year.

Weeden said the booing that accompanied his return to the field last weekend as a replacement for Jason Campbell bothers his teammates more than it bothers him. The same goes for other criticism for a quarterback who says he doesn’t listen to outside noise, which provides an (almost assuredly unintended) opening for jokes about hearing aids and his advanced age for a second-year player.

“It’s pretty simple for me,” Weeden said, via the Cleveland Plain Dealer. “I don’t listen to outside noise. [I've] gotten rid of Twitter and all that junk. I don’t need 5-year-old kids telling me how to play the quarterback position, so it’s made it really easy. It hasn’t been an issue. I’ve got great support in this locker room.”

Weeden said he didn’t think he learned anything while serving as Campbell’s backup, which means there won’t be any new tricks up his sleeve against Jacksonville this weekend as he tries to convince the Browns or another team that he can still be a starter in the NFL. It’s an uphill battle for Weeden to fight, even if he doesn’t hear anyone saying so.

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Again he learns nothing from the sideline. Dang! Can't you learn something from the sideline simply by just watching the game? He said the same thing the last time we was on the sideline when he said, "I learned to not get hurt". Doesn't he even try to pick something up while watching. Hell, I learn things from just watching TV. He's got a much better seat.

I'll bet the coaches love hearing this.

Perhaps that's part of his problem: He doesn't learn, or doesn't want to learn.

Or maybe you really don't learn a whole lot sitting on the sidelines. If you are watching Tom Brady, then maybe ...... but I get the feeling that Weeden and Campbell are very similar in personality. Hoyer is very outgoing and demonstrative ..... and Campbell is more quiet. Weeden seems to be closer to that end of the spectrum. What is Weeden going to learn from watching Campbell from the sidelines? Maybe he goes through mental reps, (insert your favorite joke here) but there probably aren't a lot of "Aha!" moments on the bench.

I would think that players learn more in individual coaching sessions, in their room going over tape, and so on ..... but probably not so much sitting on the bench.

I don't know that he's supposed to watch to see what his fellow QB can teach him. His teammate is not playing that much better than he is. He could at least study how the opposition defends vs some of our offensive plays and take mental notes of what he sees and think about what he'll do different next chance he gets.

I would think he could learn something from watching the opponents defense since he struggles so much reading them while he's in the game. Standing on the sidelines allows him to study what's going on without being in the thick of it.

My God, you have to learn something by being there if your head's in the game.

Players debate all the time how much they learned from sitting on the sidelines, and most players, and QBs in particular, say that they learned very little sitting. They learned far more from actually being on the field playing.

I think that we overestimate what players learn sitting on the sidelines sometimes. I think that they learn more in film study and individual coaching sessions, far, far more, than they do watching someone else play from the sidelines. He can't see the field like the QB on the field can. He can't try to read coverages from most angles of the sidelines. What does he learn? Maybe he can watch stuff like how a different QB handles a blitz or something, but I wonder how much of that he can really see from the bench.

This is all especially true in our system where we have an OC/QB Coach who is not on the field. There is no communication with a guy like Weeden in between plays. Games are not the time for teaching. They are the time when teams try to win.

If a professional football player cannot stand on the sidelines with his head in the game and learn something then he's just standing there with his head in the clouds waiting for his next chance.

While standing on the sidelines may not be the best situation to learn your position it's nearly impossible to spend that time taking nothing from it unless the player has his mind on something else rather than having his head in the game. According to him he could have spent his bench time back in the locker room playing video games until he's called upon. In some bizarre way I'm thinking his head is that far out of it.

I dunno. I have never stood on an NFL sideline, but it seems to me that there is always a ton of stuff going on, players moving in and out each play, and so on, and that those who are strictly backups have to stay put of the way above all else.


Maybe I'm wrong ...... it's entirely possible ....... but I just wonder if we overestimate how much players learn sitting and watching from the bench.

This is just in…

Newsflash…

We didn't lose those last two games because of Weeden.

Just in case some of you have missed that part.

So instead of discussing what should be discussed on here: the questionable coaching, the lack of pass rush, the crappy S play in coverage, the lack of a 2nd receiver, the numerous duds with regards to the RB situation…so instead of discussing this overall "regression" and how that fits into the Banner's "promise" that we'll see improvements during the year, this board discusses some gossip and hypotheticals about a QB that has been beaten like a dead horse on here already multiple times and is gone anyway after the year. What's the point?

How about we talk about those who still MATTER, those who are here and are here to stay and that contributed to the two disappointing losses in a thread named "The Rest of the Season"

I'll start with some "suggestions":

- I've defended Little and loved the Bess acquisition, but both are part of the problem now. Bess is making huge money for a slot WR (3mil/season with 5.7mil guaranteed), for comparisons sake: Reggie Bush, who can take over games as a RB AND slot WR, makes 2.5mil this season, got only 5mil guaranteed and will AVG 4.5mil the next seasons. Just another "missed" offseason deal. Little is a 4th WR/backup slot WR, so he can back up all 3 WR spots, so he has some value in that role, but he's not a reliable starter, that much is clear now

- Norv Turner: he's become too predictable and is over-aggressive looking for that big play. His "chuck it" style of Offense leads to quick drives either way and more work for the D. He leaves the run in the 2nd half, no matter the score, that makes it worse. It also leads to many negative big plays, since he's a Mike Martz when it comes to protection ("who cares"). I remarked in a post game thread that on our longest pass play (to Gordon from the own 1yd line) we used max protect and only had 3 receivers running routes. Since we have crappy QB play, who won't "progress" to more than the 2nd or 3rd option on a pass play combined with shaky pass protection from the middle to the right side, it begs the question why we still have 4 and 5 receivers running routes and leave only 5 or 6 to block. Where's the "adjustment" here?

- Chud. He's too loyal. Everybody knows he's a player's coach. Haden said it in an interview recently. He's also too loyal with his former master. Norv is on his way down as an "Offense mastermind". He is all reputation with bad results lately. Look at the Chargers without him and us with him. They took off and we've regressed or are stagnant at best.

- pass rush: what happened here? This team is build around puss rush, it was pretty much the only "real" committment of this new regime in their first offseason. We live and die by it and the past two weeks we died. Again, regression was not what I hoped to see.
Mingo isn't developing. He starts to remind me of "Odie" the dumb dog from Garfield. Hey Bark: Your fastball isn't working anymore. Time to learn that offspeed pitch to become a better pitcher.
Kruger: 2.5 sacks after 11 games is not what I expected for 8mil/season. I loved the signing and I'm not saying he's a problem, he's playing decent/ok, but for that money I expected more than "decent/ok". Does he play and act (body language) like a "leader" to you? Consider me disappointed.

- the little we had and still have at RB got mis-used ALL SEASON long. From wasting too many carries on McGahee, to not using Obi/Fozzy enough. Meanwhile, numerous RBs we had or could have had on the roster, but never used or looked at them, are pitching in well around the league (Rainey, D.Johnson, D.Herron). Kerwynn Williams is still waiting on the SD PS, who are deep at RB and have no room for him. Can he be worse? Can any PS RB be worse than McGahee? It's beyond me why he's still on the team. FO ego is the only reason I can come up with, since it can't be his play on the field. It was a decent idea, but it failed, move on.

- G and RT play: Greco and Schwartz have regressed. That somehow could have been expected and really is far from our biggest problem. Schwartz was one of the better RTs around the league as a rook and now has regressed back. Greco was playing for his life (and last contract, which he got) and now is back to earth too again. RG was and is still a problem. Cousins was another inexcusable, over-confident mistake by this coaching staff (Obi at FB still takes the cake). Lauvao has been less worse, but still only AVG on his good days. Watching Warford yesterday open up holes for Bush and J.Bell makes me mad anytime I think of it. We could have gotten him and CB Rhodes easily, but the FO valued Mingo over that trade offer on draft day, oh well, another "missed opportunity".

- our "MVP": Gipson is part of the problem. Horton's pep talk didn't help, if anything it made it worse, as he's regressed for some time now and especially this last two games. He was a good tackler for a FS, but is whiffing too now. His coverage was "not to lose" style anyway with zero play making instincts. Re-watch the TD pass to Antonio Brown and look at him, zero instincts, no help over the top. We still need a FS.

Weeden said he didn’t think he learned anything while serving as Campbell’s backup, which means there won’t be any new tricks up his sleeve against Jacksonville this weekend

I took that more as he didn't learn anything from Campbell in his starts. Which quite frankly he didn't teach Weeden anything. Campbell Locked in I'm surprised most didn't complain about that - The obvious was most of his pre snap reads were check downs. Nice High Pct. stats but to sustain a drive mistake free by throwing under 5 yard routes. Is tough.

As for not learning anything. Talk is one thing, on the field is another. I saw a definite effort by Weeden after watching Hoyer to get rid of the ball faster. The little I saw last week had him go downfield more on choosing his pre snap reads. I would rather have 50% on 15-20 yard routes than 67% on under 5.

Before anyone goes there - I do not think Weeden is our Future...not one bit. I'm a Browns fan and am always rooting for what is best for us. Right now Weeden serves us ONE PURPOSE...show some flash and good things so that he gains some value for us to increase in what we can get from a desperate team in trade. I don't care what that is - increase 7th rounder to 5th? I don't care...that is my justification to root for this kid right now! I hope he kicks ass! maybe we get a 3rd rounder

JMHO

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Weeden said he didn’t think he learned anything while serving as Campbell’s backup

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That's twice he has made this bone-headed comment. How can he not see that getting rid of the ball on time helps an offense? Really? How does he NOT see that?

And we still got the usual suspects defending this turd.

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this board discusses... hypotheticals about a QB that has been beaten like a dead horse on here already multiple times and is gone anyway after the year. What's the point?

How about we talk about those who still MATTER, those who are here and are here to stay and that contributed to the two disappointing losses in a thread named "The Rest of the Season"

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Because the QB who is gone after the year is still here and very likely will be starting and playing out "The Rest of the Season".

…and I repeat: what's the point? I could understand if we were still in it and won at least one of those last two games, but we lost them both…without Weeden and in a rather disturbingly fashion with QB play as bad as his and people throw up their arms and go "oh Weeden again", lol Can we do more than lose with him playing crappy at QB as we did before without him? What's the point? He is gone, everyone knows it, even Weeden himself. The FO all but said so when he was injured/benched (still think it's agenda driven either way that this hasn't been perceived as a downright classless way of handling it).

We might as well talk about Miley Cyrus and her latest blurb. That's the level of "discussion" on here right now.