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hmmm Hoyer and his progression...
1. I'm not a liar.
2. You didn't see it or you didn't want to see it.
3. Small sample yes.
4. INTs is from the first game...where these HOMER eyes stated I was like Ok with the way he played nothing really exciting except his release time was decisive n quick.
5. You are full of crap 
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And you don't know a friendly joke when it's staring you in the face? 
Who called you a liar? I didn't know having a difference of opinion is the same as calling someone a liar...
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I actually wasn't mad...I should of just blew the raspberry.
Liar...no you never uttered the word. Its only for the fact that I said he went through progressions n you said he did not...last I looked that wasn't a matter of opinion Either he did or he didn't. Not so much the first game. The first game I was just wowed like everyone as a comparison from Weeden holding onto the ball and Hoyer getting rid of it quickly and with much success despite the INTs.
It was the 2nd game against a better Defense they he took it to another level leaving me impressed.
I forgot you are the Campbell Promoter??? As stated he is when I say Mature version of Weeden...What Weeden can eventually become in a couple of seasons. I could be wrong and Weeden would be far better he just won't be around here. Campbell locks on just as bad as Weeden.
I'll never forget the goal to go situation with a #60 lined up jumbo FB - we did a play action pass where Campbell drifted to the right after the fake (was not a boot leg) #60 had a LB on him like glue from the get go as he was running errrr lumbering down the LOS towards the right sideline...all the while right in front of Campbell was Cameron in the seam WIDE OPEN...Campbell refuses to take his eyes off of #60 2seconds - 3 seconds 4 seconds...drifting right staring on gosh knows why #60 like his 5.7 speed is going to shake that LB. Finally a #50 sees the wide open Cameron and starts running to the back of the end zone as that is where he ended up...Cameron starts to drift to the right of the back endzone...still open with #50's back to the QB...oh better late then never Campbell took his eyes off of #60 and spots Cameron good we still got a TD...HUH???? 
He decides to THROW IT AWAY. Sorry Campbell is more efficient than Weeden as far as less mistakes. He has played every game NOT TO LOSE. Statistically he is our best QB. Why you cannot go by stats.
I do take offense that somehow me being a HOMER which I think is a good thing not a bad thing. Dummies down my football. But its all ok. I am not mad...just serious that if you think he did not make progressions then I realized after the fact that you really like Campbell - why I don't know. He's a decent back up.
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As a self-proclaimed Homer I thought you were fair game for the joke, hehe.
As for Campbell, I know what he is...and isn't. He's a guy that can man a position so that we don't go throwing away high picks on reaches like Weeden and Quinn. He's not great but he can win games if the rest of the team doesn't suck.
Regarding Hoyer, I liked some of the things he did in his short time here, but it's easy to get worked up over a guy with two games under his belt.
One is a mediocre NFL starter, the other a career backup who is hoping for a crack at a starting gig. I will say that I think you're wrong when you say Hoyer is better. Nobody can say with with a straight face when the guy in question has a whole two games under his belt. That reminds me of all the folks who said Weeden was better than Campbell based on nothing but tools and a couple of nice games.
Lastly I would note that Hoyer's 6.41 yards per attempt are lower than Campbell's 6.72, which doesn't indicate he "plays to win" while Campbell "plays not to lose." There are too many variables, including none of us knowing how Turner has designed the offense to run. And speaking of that, to say Campbell plays it safer than Weeden is also flawed, as Weeden's average of 6.53 for his career is lower than Campbell's as well.
It's all about perception. You don't care for Campbell. Cool. The "facts" you've presented don't support your belief. That isn't calling you a liar. It's called disagreeing with you. No need to be insulting or cantankerous.
Lot's of peeps with thin skin around here these days. We need less of that.
I like the idea of both sticking on the team next year with a shot at the job. If there's a rookie worthy of selecting without reaching, more power to the situation, as I don't think Hoyer or Campbell are really going to become franchise QB's. What I do know is that Campbell is the best we've had here since Testeverde was under center, and we've seen that with some decent QB play some good things can happen. It's not Campbell's job to recover an onsides kick, keep the defense from collapsing in the 4th quarter, or kick a 58-yard field goal. (This is in response to you indicating our W-L record with Hoyer was better so he's better than Campbell, which is faulty reasoning) I also know that Hoyer showed enough things to earn another look, based on his ability to scramble and get the ball out quickly. It would be nice to have a franchise guy in place which can displace both of them, but barring that, having both gives us a shot of at least having solid QB play next year. Campbell has been that for us this year. How he finishes the year will give everyone a better idea of how things are going forward.
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Personally, I did not know or care that Campbell is black, although I do remember the first black QB who played for us and the fact that it was mentioned when he played.
Honestly, I didn't even know Campbell was black. I'd never really seen many clear pictures of him and from those I did see I thought he was of Spanish decent.
Now that I know he's black I don't like him.
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I think both guys have played well. I'm not sure why we have to take sides in this thing? Why not just play the guy who has the better camp?
I would draft a qb and let him sit behind Hoyer and Campbell. I would allow a fair competition between the latter two and roll w/that guy. I think backing one guy now over the other is premature and silly.
Ditto. Couldn't have agreed more.
Im happy knowing we have both QBs going into next season. I couldn't sit here and tell you who will win it out next pre-season. As a fan watching from home (I say from home because if you go to the game, you see a whole different picture. Like in pre-season you see Weeden get good stats, but if you went to the game you see other options open and you see Weeden standing still, staring in one direction. If the Browns cant trade Weeden this off-season and since Weeden has a home here, he would be the perfect "Brownie" mime statue in front of the stadium. Id be happy with a 5th rounder for him.)
Im also happy enough that we don't have to sell the farm for a future QB.
From watching from home, Id go into next season like this
1st string- Hoyer (hope no health concerns)
2nd string- Campbell (he tried to mentor Weeden. I don't think that's why Weeden regressed)
3rd string- rookie in rounds 1-3
IR- 4th rounder on Aaron Murray regardless on who else is drafted.
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And lower testosterone levels...
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Honestly,I think they both are just serviceable backups.And the question is which one to keep while still searching for the franchise QB.I like both guys and it's hard to tell given the fact Hoyer played so little,and there is no telling how he will play after that injury.The upside to all this is,Weeden isn't even in the conversation anymore and that may be the best news of all....lolol
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...Weeden isn't even in the conversation anymore
I can't think of many scenarios wherein Weeden remains on our roster. I believe most posters are onboard with that...
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--I still like the idea of keeping both and drafting a guy as a developmental project, but I wouldn't reach on a qb. I think a lot of us have similar mindsets
I believe we could see them draft a QB with the first pick we have and still not be reaching for a QB. Maybe I'm mistaken by your meaning here. If so I'm sure you'll tell me.
By 'developmental guy" are you suggesting a second round pick or later? Maybe that's not what you mean at all, not sure.
Sorry, I wasn't clear. Of course, that could be because I really don't know what to do in regards to drafting a qb. 
I could be very wrong about this, but right now, the only guy I see as being NFL ready is Bridgewater. I don't think he will be available when we pick. Of course, we could always present a package deal and move up to the first pick, but I am leery of doing that.
I wouldn't be upset if we did take a qb in round 1 w/one of our picks. Bortles, Carr, and Manziel are all options. My problem is that all three have the potential to be good, but all three have big question marks in their game. I would understand it if we did take one of them, though.
It's just so hard to evaluate these guys. Heck, look at Johnny Football. He has the ability to be the most dynamic QB of this class, but he also could be bust. I would not be surprised if either happens. I don't think that kid will be an "okay" or "solid" qb. It's going to be boom or bust. That's scary.
I also wouldn't be upset if we did wait until the 2nd though 4th, but only because I have so many questions about the top guys. I liked Bortles big-time earlier in the year, but now it appears that he has soared up the charts.
Another guy..........and I wrote about him on Thanksgiving weekend is David Fales from San Jose State. I watched the game [I think it was that Friday night after Turkey day] to watch more of Carr. While Carr played well, he still made some of the mistakes his brother was infamous for.......meaning he didn't always show poise in the pocket and held it too long. Carr was better than I thought, but I absolutely despise QBs who hold the ball too long---and so do their offensive linemen.
Fales really blew me away. He was very poised. He was extremely accurate. He displayed pretty good mobility in the pocket and made a couple of crucial first down carries. He has adequate size. I saw he was listed at 6'2" on one scouting report, but he has to go 6'4". His arm is said to be below average, but I sure as heck did not see that. He threw w/plenty of arm strength and hit guys all over the field. Tons of deep passes. He threw for 547 yards that day, 6 TDs in the air and another on the ground, and did not get picked.
I am not saying to pass on a first round pick, but Fales is an option for us if we don't see any of the other guys as true first round talents.
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We know what we have in Weeden. We know what we have in Campbell. We don't know for sure what we have in Hoyer. I think that's what so appealing about him. for me it's more intrigue than anything else. Well that and for what it's worth, he was more fun to watch then Weeden and Campbell.
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we should also look at maybe getting 2 QB's like others have stated.
i would get a QB with a 2nd round pick if we don't pick one in the 1st round, but i would also look at Kenny guiton for OSU, possible with a 4th or 5th. he was Braxton millers backup and played excellently during that time. a low risk, high reward kind of QB.
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Nobody can say with with a straight face I can and did...just to add, nowhere am I saying he is established as great. What I did see in that small data base is the kid GETS IT...I don't have any STATS to add into the discussion as proof all I got is my LYING EYES...oh and a small small fact THAT THE COACHES chose Hoyer over Campbell in a surprise move on a Starter when Weeden hurt his hand. I think that is like a Mountain full of support to my EYES over your meaningless STATS
On the Homer bit...got it - my bad on taking it personal. I do have a defense mechanism as some in debate as they just don't stand a chance just throw that up there as if what my logic and reasoning I present doesn't count because I'm a Homer. Sorry to put you in those Dolts class! I'll remember the White in a different thought 
I thought Hoyer was more accurate. I thought after he got more experience with the starters his game went from serviceable to good to great level.
Do I say lets forget the QB position as we got OUR GUY...no that is where the limited data base comes in. If he remained healthy and us going into the playoffs I think we might have been able to make that ASSumption. But as you say its too limited.
Playing to win...playing not to lose...you just cannot brush that aside and say it doesn't exist. Actually it does and its why one has potential to be a starter and the other will be nothing more than a good back up.
I have no vented interest in any of these QBs outside of them being Browns. Without a doubt if we draft a QB high and wish and should have him sit and learn - the guy I want in there to be a model for them is 100% HOYER not CAMPBELL. As stated short time or not - what Hoyer proved to me was that he GOT IT...the flow was so much better he understood the philosophy of Turner's O.
Campbells claim to fame and this is coming from you...he doesn't mess up much.
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oh and a small small fact THAT THE COACHES chose Hoyer over Campbell in a surprise move on a Starter when Weeden hurt his hand. I think that is like a Mountain full of support
Again, the Browns really wanted Hoyer but couldn't have him. They signed Campbell. Hoyer became available and Lombardi jumped on his boy. When you trade your #1 running back and start looking towards the future, it became a no-brainer that you go with Hoyer. I was hoping that's what they'd do. Gotta see what the "kid" has. But setting that aside, even if they did think Hoyer was better, Campbell has proven on the field that he's the best QB on the roster.
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On the Homer bit...got it - my bad on taking it personal. I do have a defense mechanism as some in debate as they just don't stand a chance just throw that up there as if what my logic and reasoning I present doesn't count because I'm a Homer. Sorry to put you in those Dolts class!
Nah Eo, I get it. I coulda been more clear with the joke so that it wouldn't have possibly been construed as insulting. Truth be told, that mechanism probably developed in a tiny part because of our debates in all the years past, as I did use the "Homer" tag at various points. No apology necessary.
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Playing to win...playing not to lose...you just cannot brush that aside and say it doesn't exist. Actually it does and its why one has potential to be a starter and the other will be nothing more than a good back up.
That goes back to what I mean when I say I know what Campbell is...and isn't. He's not dynamic and he has tended over the years to check it down quicker than elite QB's. Regardless of whether or not that stems from all the bad offensive lines he's played behind doesn't mean his career YPA is lower than wanted levels would indicate he tends to check it down quicker than some. What I disagreed with is the perception that he is less of a gambler than Weeden or Hoyer because the numbers say differently. We also don't know how the playbook is designed under Turner for this team.
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Campbells claim to fame and this is coming from you...he doesn't mess up much.
Well, that's not exactly how I've presented Campbell over the years. In fact the numbers indicate he's not great at protecting the ball, and I've said it's a matter of time before he has a couple of fumbles in a game.
My "claim to fame" for Campbell is nothing more than that of a serviceable guy who gives us a chance to be a solid, if not dynamic, QB while we build up the rest of the inferior roster. To that end, Campbell now has an 88 rating...good for 15th in the league...and ahead of guys named Andy Dalton, Carson Palmer, Andrew Luck, Joe Flacco, and Eli Manning. Am I saying he's better than those guys? No I'm not. Am I saying he's good enough to win with so that we don't have to blow picks on bums like Weeden? Yes I am. Am I saying he can man the position while we spend our two #1 picks on talent to bring the rest of the roster up to NFL levels? Yes I am.
Hoyer showed enough promise to get another look. If next year comes and Hoyer shows more of what he did in his two games, give him a fair crack at the job. Maybe we can catch lightning in a bottle. I'd be quite happy if he took the job.
In the meantime don't dis my boy Campbell. It's been a five-year journey of wanting to get him here and his play has been solid. Gotta give me my moment in the sun
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While I'd be satisfied with whomever wins the job in TC, my eyeballs told me that the offense seemed to have more of a pace and a purpose under Hoyer than it did under Campbell. I got the sense that we found a QB who could execute a gameplan. There appeared to be better distribution to all the WRs and a more effective mixing of the run. With Campbell, I feel like we're waiting for the Flash Gordon lightning bolt to strike after a series of so-so plays. I realize these are just impressions, and we often see what we want to see, but I really do think the Hoyer-lead offense bore more of a resemblance to a consistently competitive NFL offense. I guess we'll see next August when I hope to see both these guys vying for the starting role, with a promising draftee waiting in the wings.
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I don't disagree with what you saw Dave. But there is a huge question mark in regards to if he could do that on a long term, continuous basis.
I too like what I saw in that very small window. But that's exactly what it was, a very small window.
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Earlier this year, I was listening to the radio show (driven by Liberty Ford) and they were discussing Campbell and Hoyer, specifically the fan's attitude.
They pointed out that Campbell had outplayed Hoyer to that point, yet Hoyer seemed to be the clear favorite. They brought up one possible reason that never occurred to me.
They also discussed Hoyer's hometown boy story, and pretty much decided that was the reason.
My own theory is that Hoyer is more of a blank slate. Campbell has history, a track record of being fairly good though maybe a bit erratic. Not likely he could be the next great QB. Hoyer, as a complete unknown, has at least a chance of being the undiscovered diamond.
IMO, Campbell has matured, is the better QB, and good enough to go forward with. Hoyer looked good compared to Weedon, which is a bad yardstick. To me, this is the fans doing what my father used to call "Stumbling over a dollar to pick up a dime."
How these two guys are evaluated is HUGE going forward.
Still like Campbell as our future starting QB? This guy is second string at best. A pretty decent backup...that's it. Not much better than Weeden if you ask me.
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Campbell has shown himself to be a really up and down type QB. When he is on, he can be spectacular. When his switch hits the off position though, it;s trouble for us.
Man, I just pray that we can somehow find the right QB in this coming draft. I don't know if Hoyer is the guy, and I'm not really keen to risk it all on him alone. Weeden has proven to not be the guy, though I suspect that he will make it as a backup elsewhere. Campbell looks incredibly inconsistent. I dunno. Until we get the QB position fixed, we aren't going anywhere. Other teams manage to find their QBs ....... isn't it our turn yet? (actually well past being our turn)
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I would not use spectacular to describe any performance by Campbell as a brown. That's hyperbole.
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I would not use spectacular to describe any performance by Campbell as a brown. That's hyperbole.
He tends to go over the top with positive adjectives.
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In 3 of his starts, he had 8 TD and 0 INT, and created big plays down the field. That's pretty damn spectacular.
Unfortunately he has really struggled in the other games. I thought that it might be the ribs, but he didn't have that excuse today. Today he just was wildly inconsistent. He would be on for one pass, then miss the next by 10 yards.
It's really discouraging.
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Still like Campbell as our future starting QB? This guy is second string at best. A pretty decent backup...that's it. Not much better than Weeden if you ask me.
There is a reason that Hoyer was promoted to the starter over Campbell.
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While I am not saying that JC had a great game yesterday, he wasn't that bad.
Gordon wussed out on 3-4 plays that should have been completions. Little did the same on another. Cameron on yet another. Cameron also gave a despicable effort on that pick. Bess dropped another one.
His receivers were jogging on way too many routes. They packed it in.
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JC acted like it was his first game he'd ever played.
His read and react was extremely slow. He had no idea where to go with the ball and missed open receivers all day. When he did throw to an open receiver he was so late he was hanging his players out to dry. Gordon almost got his head taken off a couple of times.
Not saying the receivers job isn't catch the ball but maybe they just got tired of being open and not getting the ball on time.
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My point there was that Hoyer did almost nothing at all, in very limited time, in that game. As I said, IIRC he got just one first down on the scramble he was hurt on, that may have been his only positive play of the game.
I don't really care who gets credit for the win but that's not true...
On the second play of the game from inside our 10 yard line, Hoyer threw what should have been a 92 yard touchdown pass and Gordon dropped it...
On our second possession he had picked up 3 first downs (2 completions to Bess of 12 and 13 yards) and was moving the team well when he got hurt..
None of that really means he deserves any credit for the win, just that he did have other positive plays.
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While I am not saying that JC had a great game yesterday, he wasn't that bad.
Gordon wussed out on 3-4 plays that should have been completions. Little did the same on another. Cameron on yet another. Cameron also gave a despicable effort on that pick. Bess dropped another one.
His receivers were jogging on way too many routes. They packed it in.
The whole team looked like it was playing on painkillers. For me, everybody but Obi, Gipson, Ward and Baker seemed to be disinterested. Cameron and Gordon dropping passes that they'd never normally drop. Campbell always seems to have a number of throws each game that are behind receivers, but hell, he didn't seem to even care where the balls went yesterday.
Very disappointing and yet, we almost won. There is a spark missing. I can't tell you where it went but it was there earlier in the year.
I really think that last weeks game took the wind out of their sails in a big way. I think that game hurt more than us fans could ever know.
Of course, my feelings on this are completely unscientific, no numbers to back them up. but seriously to me, that's the way it looked. FWIW
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Gotta give me my moment in the sun Yeah well that sun went quick unfortunately everything I didn't like about Campbell reared its ugly head yesterday. I still cannot believe no dawgs give him grief for locking onto WRs - just as bad and yesterday maybe worse than Weeden.
They did a medley of Gordon being open and Campbell didn't even bother looking his way as he had locked onto somebody else. On the long sideline pass that was INT'd...unfortunately a real QB would have simply made a back shoulder throw on that one. Yeah I guess Gordon could have turned on the jets and swat the ball away from the defender...(did it get INT'd??? I think so) But Gordon probably thought he'd get called for pass interference trying to catch up to that WR who had a yard or so on him.
There was another pass play I think it was our first FG...we had Gordon doing a Post Corner...well early on when he was breaking for the Post - Gordon had his head looking back at the QB...Campbell actually was looking at him - Gordon was wide open for the POST if he threw it right away Gordon would have had no problem seeing the ball and making an easy TD catch. Instead we had it thrown away. All I know is someday when we have a real QB here (maybe Hoyer) those opportunities will be jumped on and we get a TD.
Campbell did make a perfect throw on the Gordon TD...again good thing he was locked in (guess right on that one) and made his best throw of the day.
Just another game we would have won if we had an OK to Good QB...just not a real debate on who will start. Hoyer wins and yes with the limited data base. Hands down...cant wait when we actually get a Great QB to GET IT...like Hoyer thats when we go to our Championships!
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i tell you want, i want weeden gone as much as the next guy,
but he would've rocketed the ball down the field a hell of a lot more yesterday than campbell would've.
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i tell you want, i want weeden gone as much as the next guy,
but he would've rocketed the ball down the field a hell of a lot more yesterday than campbell would've.
If you can say that, then I can say that he'd of had 5 interceptions
You know it, even I know it, I'm sure the team management knows it, he's not the answer.
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i tell you want, i want weeden gone as much as the next guy,
but he would've rocketed the ball down the field a hell of a lot more yesterday than campbell would've.
You spelled "flipped' wrong.
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Just another game we would have won if we had an OK to Good QB...just not a real debate on who will start. Hoyer wins and yes with the limited data base. Hands down...cant wait when we actually get a Great QB to GET IT...like Hoyer thats when we go to our Championships!
I am going to begin this by restating that I prefer Hoyer. I am rooting for him. However, I have an issue w/a few things mentioned in your post and in many others:
--Campbell did not stink yesterday. His WRs played like crap. I keep reading about how Gordon is better than Moss and Rice and the guy quit running on 3 or 4 routes that should have been completions. Little quit on another. So did Cameron. Bess dropped one. Cameron didn't even try for the ball on that pick.
--I watched the game w/people who aren't Brown's fans. I'm pimping Gordon [even though I don't on here] and the game plays out. One guy turns to me and says: "Do your receivers always play like ________________?" A couple others start laughing and back the guy up.
--Campbell wasn't great, but the play of the receivers was dreadful!
--I think it would be stupid to start taking sides. I love Hoyer, but he only played two games. That's not enough. I think Hoyer and JC should both go into camp w/a fair chance to win the job. It's dumb to marry yourself to either guy, right now. And I said the same thing after JC's first two games and the majority wanted to name him the starter. Just let it play out.......for freaking once.
--I do hope we draft someone, but other than Bridgewater, all those guys have serious question marks. They scare me. I am not saying they won't be studs, but I am saying all could be busts just as easily as stars.
--There may be some good news............I was listening to Kiper the other day and he di not have Bridgewater going in the top 4. I find that hard to believe, but maybe we do have a shot at him.
--Regardless of who we draft, I think it might be smart to go w/the winner of the Hoyer/JC competition and let the rookie sit for a year---or maybe even two.
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i tell you want, i want weeden gone as much as the next guy,
but he would've rocketed the ball down the field a hell of a lot more yesterday than campbell would've.
You spelled "flipped' wrong.
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i tell you want, i want weeden gone as much as the next guy,
but he would've rocketed the ball down the field a hell of a lot more yesterday than campbell would've.
You spelled "flipped' wrong.
Weeden has spent his freetime tutoring Matt Ryan in the ways of "The Flip"
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I noticed similar awful performances from Gordon and the rest of the crew in our rain games. That could spell disaster if these guys refuse to perform in adverse weather conditions like wind, cold, and snow.
I am hoping everyone is just slacking off because we don't have a really good QB to rally around. That and just general immaturity of them being young.
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-Campbell did not stink yesterday. His WRs played like crap. I keep reading about how Gordon is better than Moss and Rice and the guy quit running on 3 or 4 routes that should have been completions.
This is what I don't understand Vers....Gordon knows he's got top numbers in the league... Why wouldn't he want to add to those
I also noticed more times Gordon was open and Campbell dumb off a screen... and we say many of those...
Could the receivers be thinking...Why the hell try ? Frustrating as hell Vers....
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Again, I don't know if this played into it or not ...... but it is a possibility .... Cleveland Browns' Josh Gordon involved in minor car accident on snowy road, cleared to face Chicago Bears | cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/12/cleveland_browns_josh_gordon_i_2.htmlCLEVELAND -- Browns receiver Josh Gordon was involved in a minor car accident on Saturday, but he was medically cleared to play against the Bears Sunday and was not injured, a team spokesman said. According to team spokesman Zak Gilbert, Gordon was a passenger in his SUV Saturday on the way back to Cleveland when a car in front of his lost control on the snowy roads. To avoid a collision, his car swerved. Gilbert said as far he knows, there were no injuries. He said Gordon made his meetings at the team hotel and that he's been medically cleared. Gordon posted a photo of his Range Rover being towed on Instagram. The caption reads "First day out here and we nearly died.'' The man in the photo is apparently Bram Koulhausen, Gordon's high school quarterback at Lamar High School in Houston. Gordon heads into Sunday's game needing 88 yards to break Detroit's Calvin Johnson's five-game NFL receiving record of 861 yards.
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In general it's hard to tell when Josh is going full speed, but those balls were poorly placed.
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