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baker. that kid is fast.
for an offensive line that generates zero push at the LOS, he generated rushing yards and a TD.
thats the only bright spot.
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Ward played very good.
The wildcat worked?
Gordon got another TD.
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None at all. Ward sucks and can't cover worth crap. Campbell showed why he is just a backup. Our defense is SUPER overrated. Porous run defense as usual. Special teams sucks as bad as it ever has. Cameron appears last week then just disappears this week. Chud is a dud so far. A second rate head coach. I can go on and on...
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Baker did look fast, energetic and impossible to touch.
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None at all. Ward sucks and can't cover worth crap. Campbell showed why he is just a backup. Our defense is SUPER overrated. Porous run defense as usual. Special teams sucks as bad as it ever has. Cameron appears last week then just disappears this week. Chud is a dud so far. A second rate head coach. I can go on and on...
you said ward had a bad game?
really....
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Baker and Marquis Gray.
The defense being opportunistic was nice, but picking up fumbles and running them back or intercepting the ball and taking it to the end zone isn't good defense. That's more of a bonus than anything.
Not being owned on 3rd down is good defense. 11/12 and 2 TD's.... Awful.
There were no bright spots. Like I said in the post game topic, we did not get better today. I don't care if Haden is out there or not, the secondary at time can drive you nuts because they get flagged for not making a play on the ball, for clutching and grabbing, and just plain stupidity. You're never going to win when you play stupid.
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Its not like Haden would have prevented anything.
When has he ever?
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Yes, I think he is part of an overrated bunch. For a unit that they have spend so much on and high draft picks, I would definitely expect better than what they are.
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Yes, I think he is part of an overrated bunch. For a unit that they have spend so much on and high draft picks, I would definitely expect better than what they are.
Talented, but they play out of control. Lanning pinned their defense inside the 5 and the Bears were given 40 yards on penalties. They're out of control. It's disappointing.
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Agreed. I liked what I saw of Baker. Coach him up for the stretch. We need a simpler runblock scheme it seems. I see little push if any. Pleased we added a few screens. Liked the defensive picks and scores, but more luck than sense or scheme. Grade today's game plan. Just an odd game. Winnable, I think. How many leads do we need to ice a win? 
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Gipson was a bright spot. Might be a fluke or just the greatest game of his past, present and future career but he does deserve a kudos for his play today.
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Baker looked like the best RB we've had all year.
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Falcons won.. Bills won.. Vikings won.. and we lost.
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Falcons won.. Bills won.. Vikings won.. and we lost.
might just have that 2nd pick in the draft if we keep it up.
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Sorry can't get on board with this after the Alshon reception.
Not because he gave up the play but because it wasn't a bang bang play. He had all day to adjust to the ball ... and he came up short on a game changing play at a really critical point in the game that completely changed the momentum.
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Bright spot? Only 2 more games of this crap.
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Sorry can't get on board with this after the Alshon reception.
I wasn't on board before that play. Gipson's two INT's were opportunistic, not because of good play. He always is 3 yards off the man/ball; never gets in tight to fight for the ball...
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That Baker kid looks like he needs a job. I say we sign him for a couple years cheaply now.
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That Baker kid looks like he needs a job. I say we sign him for a couple years cheaply now.
I agree...and I would run the snot out of him the last 2 games. See what he has. Oggie is just a little better than another guy, and Fozzie is just another guy. He doesn't offer anything that any of 100 backs could offer the team.
Run Baker 20-25 times. Who knows?
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Well, we sure will look silly if a ground game like that gives us a win when our lateral checkdown offense "two yards and a cloud of bust") hasn't gotten it done. Wowee, a run game. In bad weather. I wish us luck. 
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Well, we sure will look silly if a ground game like that gives us a win when our lateral checkdown offense "two yards and a cloud of bust") hasn't gotten it done. Wowee, a run game. In bad weather. I wish us luck.
It was obvious all game long that Baker wanted everyone to notice him. Give the kid the rock and see what he does with it.
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JC 3rd and 1 and we line up in shotgun AGAIN. Against the WORST rush defense the NFL has to offer... Norv needs fired immediately. I get our run game isn't peachy, I get we have no quality backs, but still anyone should be able to get us one yard to convert a 3rd down. Baker looked really good, not sure why we didn't just try to gash the Bear's defense. especially when we were leading. 
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3rd and 1 and we line up in shotgun AGAIN. Against the WORST rush defense the NFL has to offer...
Norv needs fired immediately. I get our run game isn't peachy, I get we have no quality backs, but still anyone should be able to get us one yard to convert a 3rd down.
Baker looked really good, not sure why we didn't just try to gash the Bear's defense. especially when we were leading.
I get so frustrated with this too. Campbell just has to fall forward to get the 1st down.
Bill Belichick gets this. He continuously uses Tom Brady for easy QB sneaks when it's 3rd/4th and 1. And it works every time.
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It's not the only time we've been in 3rd and 1, and we come out in shotgun. I will cut Norv no slack as this is just borderline freaking stupid for him to call-in such an absurd call given the close yardage situation. I think he's the only coordinator stupid enough to continue to do this.  I mean we gash their defense with the WILDCAT of ALL THINGS for a few solid plays, then we ignore it the rest of the game. I swear Norv doesn't know what works, even if it were to smack him right in the chops.
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I've said in the past and got ridiculed for it when I say Norv isn't that great and that the game seems to have passed him by. Yeah he WAS a great coordinator 20 years ago, but what i've seen so far I don't see the inventiveness or competency I would expect from such a heralded offensive mind.
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Not sure from the small sample size but he did look more competent when Hoyer was in there. Maybe it's not the call but the execution and the executioner, as it were.
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I've said in the past and got ridiculed for it when I say Norv isn't that great and that the game seems to have passed him by.
Will you provide specific examples as to how "the game has passed him by?"
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OMG the drama around here is like days of our lives.
3rd string QB, off the street RB but yea. Lets get rid of the offensive coordinator.
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OMG the drama around here is like days of our lives.
3rd string QB, off the street RB but yea. Lets get rid of the offensive coordinator.
If that were the case, then you'd think Norv would be smart enough run the ball on 3rd and 1 against a weak run defense.
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Other teams don't have an issue running the heck outta RB's they just picked up. Look at Rainey.
If it's working, why avoid it? That's all I'm saying. Norv is my least favorite coach. 9 out of 10 coordinators would have ran the ball on 3rd and 1, and unfortunately we have the only coordinator that figures a pass play outta the shotgun is the better/secure option. It just doesn't get anymore pathetic, IMO.
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If it's working, why avoid it? That's all I'm saying. Norv is my least favorite coach. 9 out of 10 coordinators would have ran the ball on 3rd and 1, and unfortunately we have the only coordinator that figures a pass play outta the shotgun is the better/secure option. It just doesn't get anymore pathetic, IMO.
I don't disagree with you, but we both know darn well that if we had run there and not made it, half the board would have been saying something like, "Turner knows we can't run the ball, and yet he calls a run on that play." When the plays don't work, it's always easy to question the play call.
And for the record, I would have had a lead back and a tailback and run on that play.
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If it's working, why avoid it? That's all I'm saying. Norv is my least favorite coach. 9 out of 10 coordinators would have ran the ball on 3rd and 1, and unfortunately we have the only coordinator that figures a pass play outta the shotgun is the better/secure option. It just doesn't get anymore pathetic, IMO.
I don't disagree with you, but we both know darn well that if we had run there and not made it, half the board would have been saying something like, "Turner knows we can't run the ball, and yet he calls a run on that play." When the plays don't work, it's always easy to question the play call.
And for the record, I would have had a lead back and a tailback and run on that play.
I don't mind a passing play on 3rd and 1, but I'm just blown away by the play call and execution....
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I hear what you're saying and I also agree. But c'mon, 3rd and 1 and any coordinator in the league is going to be looking at their run packages/fits. It's just in the realm on common sense, football 101 or whatever you wish to call it. As weird as it may be to say this, I'd had felt more comfortable/less upset not converting on an honest run attempt than an honest pass attempt, but that's just me. Our wildcat packages was destroying Chicago. Destroying them badly, yet we ran two-three plays and then canned it when we needed to move the ball at the most crucial of times. Math doesn't add up for me and it hasn't in a lot of the other games. Look at the Cowboys game. Huge lead, and they come out passing and etc. Quick three and outs and that basically enabled the other team's comeback. Football 101, especially when the Cowboys run game was pumping - stick with what works and milk the clock. I'm sick of the "one play here, one play there" in determining a few of these late minute games we keep losing  And now that the season is over, Chud doesn't call 4th down plays anymore. Are we calling the games to lose!?!?!?! I'm not on the "tank season" bandwagon, but there is evidence to maybe support that theory.
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I don't remember who it was, but someone on here singled out Baker as a player with good speed pre-draft and took him in the 2nd or 3rd round of our mock on here (I'd check, but we can't search the draft forum until February ). He played very well this weekend. He showed an aggressiveness we haven't really seen, maybe outside Ogbannaya.
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I don't remember who it was, but someone on here singled out Baker as a player with good speed pre-draft and took him in the 2nd or 3rd round of our mock on here (I'd check, but we can't search the draft forum until February ). He played very well this weekend. He showed an aggressiveness we haven't really seen, maybe outside Ogbannaya.
And Lewis who is om IR
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If it's working, why avoid it? That's all I'm saying. Norv is my least favorite coach. 9 out of 10 coordinators would have ran the ball on 3rd and 1, and unfortunately we have the only coordinator that figures a pass play outta the shotgun is the better/secure option. It just doesn't get anymore pathetic, IMO.
I don't disagree with you, but we both know darn well that if we had run there and not made it, half the board would have been saying something like, "Turner knows we can't run the ball, and yet he calls a run on that play." When the plays don't work, it's always easy to question the play call.
And for the record, I would have had a lead back and a tailback and run on that play.
I don't mind a passing play on 3rd and 1, but I'm just blown away by the play call and execution....
If it had worked, he'd be a genius though.
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I don't remember who it was, but someone on here singled out Baker as a player with good speed pre-draft and took him in the 2nd or 3rd round of our mock on here (I'd check, but we can't search the draft forum until February ). He played very well this weekend. He showed an aggressiveness we haven't really seen, maybe outside Ogbannaya.
And Lewis who is om IR
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I don't remember who it was, but someone on here singled out Baker as a player with good speed pre-draft and took him in the 2nd or 3rd round of our mock on here (I'd check, but we can't search the draft forum until February ).
It was TubbyDawg.
The "who had the best draft" poll is still in the poll forum, so I found it.
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cool, thanks TD.
*edit* -- wow, I thought that was this year's draft... it was 2012. man, time flies.
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j/c
I'm not for firing anyone.
I'm not even upset that the passing play was called. I will say one thing puzzled me..... Why would you have the naked backfield to give away the fact you were passing?
I would have at least kept a RB in there to keep the opposing D honest in that situation.
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