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Another Groundhog Day type game...
I think the coaching staff needs to take a little more today. Chud, Horton, Norv, all of them.... That was a terrible game plan.
You don't bank on defensive scores, and you got 2 off your players making plays but the schemes today were terrible.
Aside from that, Campbell didn't play a good game at all. The secondary needs to stop with the freaking penalties.They were all pretty good calls today. They did not deserve to win.
Greg Little makes one great play on a screen and then doesn't show up the rest of the day...
It might be unfair to ask Josh Gordon to rewrite the NFL and Browns record book every week but he didn't play well at all. There were a few times, as noted by some of the writers, that he was open and Campbell didn't give him the ball, but we needed him today.
I was impressed with Baker, he showed realy good burst and vision but that's on Chud and Norv to give him the ball more. It was close the whole time. Too much trying to be cute.
I liked the change of pace with Gray. It worked. I didn't expect it to work again, but that was one bright spot today.
I thought front 7 didn't do enough to pressure Cutler. We miss Desmond Bryant.
As great of a play that was for Jeffrey, Gipson has to make that play. He had his feet in place with time to adjust and he did not time the jump. It still would have been a first down because of the hit on Cutler, but it could have saved a few points.
I've been in Chud's corner the whole time, and I still think he can be the guy, but we need better. Having crappy QB's isn't enough of an excuse, because today wasn't good enough on all ends. I'm disappointed in the job he did today.
It's mid-December, and I can't wait for this season to be over with. It's just the same crap over and over. I know we weren't going anywhere anyway, but there is still room to get better. We did not get better today. Not one bit.
I will never root against this team for a higher draft pick, but the suck-job that we've pulled this year better end up in a franchise QB.
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One other thing, from ESPN Stats & info.... Cutler was 11/12 for 151 and 2 TD on THIRD DOWN today. Pathetic. That's on Ray Horton. I think people need to pump the brakes on him getting a HC gig next year, and that includes me, who thought so 2 months ago.
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One other thing, from ESPN Stats & info.... Cutler was 11/12 for 151 and 2 TD on THIRD DOWN today. Pathetic. That's on Ray Horton. I think people need to pump the brakes on him getting a HC gig next year, and that includes me, who thought so 2 months ago.
Well, the announcers said we're the worst team on 3rd down. So it's not just today, it's all year. That needs to be fixed #1.
If we can play better on 3rd down, who knows, maybe that's the difference.
I wanted both teams to play well, put on a good show and then have the Bears squeak out a late win (helping my Bears/Packers tickets value+playoffs tickets+Browns draft position). But as I was watching, I found myself switching and rooting hard for the Browns. Now that the game is over, I'm good with the outcome.
Two more games fellas.
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One other thing, from ESPN Stats & info.... Cutler was 11/12 for 151 and 2 TD on THIRD DOWN today. Pathetic. That's on Ray Horton. I think people need to pump the brakes on him getting a HC gig next year, and that includes me, who thought so 2 months ago.
Since when has being a good coordinator equaled being a good head coach?
Flawed thinking.
As for the thoughts....another fourth q meltdown....another team exhibiting no heart ...heart starts with the coach.
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One other thing, from ESPN Stats & info.... Cutler was 11/12 for 151 and 2 TD on THIRD DOWN today. Pathetic. That's on Ray Horton. I think people need to pump the brakes on him getting a HC gig next year, and that includes me, who thought so 2 months ago.
Well, the announcers said we're the worst team on 3rd down. So it's not just today, it's all year. That needs to be fixed #1.
If we can play better on 3rd down, who knows, maybe that's the difference.
I wanted both teams to play well, put on a good show and then have the Bears squeak out a late win (helping my Bears/Packers tickets value+playoffs tickets+Browns draft position). But as I was watching, I found myself switching and rooting hard for the Browns. Now that the game is over, I'm good with the outcome.
Two more games fellas.
I was going to mention that being the trend all year, but i think we all know, haha.
I think that comes down to pressure on the QB When it's 3rd and an obvious passing down, which a lot of it has been, you need to bring the heat. We were bringing it early in the year when Kruger and Bryant were getting after the QB. I don't care about sacks as much as I care about chasing the QB away from being able to set his feet and throw a dart.
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One more thing, why did we stop running the wildcat with Grey? He had two rushes for 30 yards and then done. Even the announcers wondered why we didn't go back to it.
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maybe this shouldn't happen, but browns losses really demoralizes me for the week until about thursday.
its just. man, defense and offense didn't do much today.
we just got outplayed and outcoached. theres really nothing else to say.
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One more thing, why did we stop running the wildcat with Grey? He had two rushes for 30 yards and then done. Even the announcers wondered why we didn't go back to it.
I thought Billick made a good point that it's not a set you want to run on the bad side of the 50.
I really didn't expect it to work like that again. I thought it was the one move Chud should get credit for because it helped get a TD.
I would love to see more of it when this offense gets better. If you can get a QB who can make plays, maybe another game breaking WR... You can mix that in maybe more than one possession where you throw him out there. It was run damn near perfect today. It was nice to see.
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Due to the length of the HS season this was only the 2nd complete game that I've seen.
I have one overridding thought.Teams realize they only need to play 2 quarters,give or take,to beat the Browns.
Offensively this team is flat out horrible.
Defensively they do nothing well.They kinda stop the run,but they don't really.Unless they blitz,there is no pass rush.They give up more 3rd down conversions than any pro team that I can remember.
Special Teams are an abomination,and are an embarrassment to anyone who has ever coached or played on them,at any level.
oh well,they've got a boat load of draft picks,maybe they can improve a little next year.
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I liked what I saw from Baker. Man he has a nice burst.
Why can't we line up Gray at FB and hand him the ball without being in the Wildcat?
We need an upgrade at ILB and help at CB and maybe S. Add that to the help we need at QB, RB, (though maybe Baker can help there) WR, OL, and QB ...... and this is going to be a busy off-season.
Man, what happened to Bess? He has completely fallen apart. He was never a burner type receiver, but he was reliable beyond belief. He caught everything, and had a real talent for positioning himself to get 1st downs. It's like he has forgotten everything he ever knew.
Gordon had an off game. It happens. Unfortunately if he has an off game, the team has an off game.
We still need a lot of work. Luckily we have a lot of draft picks coming up, and a lot of cap space to go sign a few guys. It is vitally important that the front office makes the right decisions, especially at QB.
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Gipson was playing very well all day. minus the one TD
worried about Haden. He gave up is first TD to a pro bowl WR this year.
Ward played great today( especially in coverage)
Mingo was out of position all day. He needs to learn how to watch film and how to not get sucked in on play action and contain on sweeps. He took the inside route multiple times.
Kruger game up some big plays so did Sheard. - out LB's played the typical deep zone
we gave up our first 100 yard rusher.
Campbell plays not to lose and because of it... we lose
They need to teach these DB's how to wrap up.
our pass rush didn't exist
Our D scored as much or put us in the position to win because of turnovers multiple times this year. (including this game) It SHOULD have been a blowout win.
We need to change our run block scheme and keep our pass block scheme
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Same as last game and the game before that and the season before that....poor coaching. Not the right players. It's easier every year to list the positions we don't need help at than the other way around. *sigh*
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My thoughts are Jason Campbell really sucks. He has a noodle arm which showed up alot today. that out to greg little look 4 years to get there. And he was either high low behind or out front of almost every throw. I think that has something to do with why Gordon was blah today..you could see he was getting tired of getting lead into or put in situations where he was going to get drilled. Thats on campbell and ball placement, then you see replays of him running open and then campbell dinks and dunks for 4 yards at a time. He's so inconsistent, but I wouldn't mind him as a 3rd string maybe second if we had a stud starter.
The defense is vastly overrated, if you can't get off the field on 3rd down consistently, you suck as a defense, stats mean nothing. I don't get all the Horton love, he's not that good from what i've seen. His game plans usually don't work well, and he can't adjust in game and then we see all the 4th quarter collapses. A little of this is on Chud and Norv too, when you get a lead, keep your damn foot on the gas and attack. Go with what was working. You finally had a back that was being productive and you barely give it to him.. that's how you win TOP and ultimately games when you have the lead..
That baker kid was fast and it actually looks like he ran where there were supposed to be holes and found a few creases, and he runs hard. I like that. Coming from MSU and being their starting RB, you know he's going to be football smart. Nice to see him show well. Too bad he has idiots as coaches and they don't stick with the run against the worst run defense in nfl. I mean just going on statistics, you keep running the ball, especially when up against that defense. Chances are you're going to win that battle more than the defense will.
All in all it was a craptastic browns game. Didn't win but once again, our super bowl is in May and we just clinched the playoffs
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It seems impossible to hold a lead for a win. No lead seems safe with a secondary that is allowed to rely on holding and gets interference flags, mostly in the second half. Hit them at the line of scrimmage; jersey pulling and shortcuts on pass defense is inexcusable. Captain Checkdown is alive and well, living in our QBs, and losing us games. I am disappointed because the opinion is we are losing ground despite favorable events like picks and defensive scores. What was today's plan at any point? Not what I might call a horrible mismatch, but we certainly made them look great. Norv needs to get some kind of continuity and aggression going. We seemed indifferent. 
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- Baker had a nice game. I find it hard for him to find a place here at this point because this is the type of RB we signed Dion Lewis to be.
- Campbell had an average game at best. Always the check down and was rather inaccurate today. I'd be fine if his option isn't picked up this offseason. In fact, I'd keep Weeden over him. That's right....I said it.
- I thought Kruger had a decent game. Although he's not racking up the sacks like I wish he would (quite frankly because he was given the money to do it) he is disrupting timing. I thought Sheard played well around the ball too.
- Billy Winn continues to make plays for this team whenever he is in. A tackle for a loss and forced a fumble. This guy get limited time and I don't know why.
- Tashaun was having a GREAT day until he played the Alshon Jeffries TD horribly- that should have been his third INT. For whatever reason he stopped moving back toward the ball and jumped a couple yards to early. It looked pretty bad.
- TJ Ward had a great game....again.
- Haden struggled against a big bodied, top rated WR but struggled nonetheless. Hope his injury is ok.
- Wasn't impressed with McFadden whatsoever. Buster Skrine regressed to his 2012 form.
- Our pass rush sucked until the 2nd half.
- Again, I thought we used our timeouts poorly, although it really didn't have an effect like it did last week.
- At times the play calls dumfounded me....like passing on 3rd and 1 against the worst run stopping team in the league. We did however do it the second time around.
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Oh, and Davone Bess continues to drop the ball like a boss. So far it's been a rather bad choice to give up picks and offer the extension. I hope this changes.
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Post game thoughts...
Go Redskins
Go Bucs
Go Houston
Win out for us!
For us? Lets not be stupid and win a meaningless game in the next two weeks... Unless its against the Stillers. I can excuse that.
If the Stillers lose out that'd be fine with me.
Colts clinched. Lets hope they lose out then get run in the first round.
This team needs talent more than it needs 5 or 6 wins. Sadly, there's always next year.
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Oh, and Davone Bess continues to drop the ball like a boss. So far it's been a rather bad choice to give up picks and offer the extension. I hope this changes.
Yeah, that drop on 3rd down was awful.
I didn't mind the trade then (we got Bess and Miami's 4th and 7th for our 4th and 5th), and I applaud the trying to get better. I though the move would have been good, but we brought him over to make the kinds of catch he dropped today, and really all year. The only game where he showed his value was the Baltimore game.
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My postgame thoughts?
I'll sum it up...
this team won't compete for a playoff spot or make the playoffs even as a wildcard until 2017 at the very earliest...and that is "if "a BIG "if" they make the right moves...(and don't fire everyone and keep starting over)
this roster just lacks the talent at too many key positions at both side of the ball to compete....and your not going to replace the 25 players out of the active 53 needed to fix this mess in 2 years...
Blaming Chud for this garbage roster just isn't right....Chud has no playmakers....He has Gordon on offense and thats pretty much it, and maybe Cameron if they actually throw him the ball.
on defense the only standout players we have are Haden and Ward...those are the only two guys on defense that have "stood out" and made plays....thats not enough...i don't care who the coacq is....if we make the playoffs before 2017 it will be a miracle...this roster just isn't up to par. it is what it is
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My postgame thoughts?
I'll sum it up...
this team won't compete for a playoff spot or make the playoffs even as a wildcard until 2017 at the very earliest...and that is "if "a BIG "if" they make the right moves...(and don't fire everyone and keep starting over)
this roster just lacks the talent at too many key positions at both side of the ball to compete....and your not going to replace the 25 players out of the active 53 needed to fix this mess in 2 years...
Blaming Chud for this garbage roster just isn't right....Chud has no playmakers....He has Gordon on offense and thats pretty much it, and maybe Cameron if they actually throw him the ball.
on defense the only standout players we have are Haden and Ward...those are the only two guys on defense that have "stood out" and made plays....thats not enough...i don't care who the coach is....if we make the playoffs before 2017 it will be a miracle...this roster just isn't up to par. it is what it is
2017? jesus.... and whats sadder, is that you're probably right.
i thought these coaches were suppose to give us 3-4 more wins just because they were suppose to be better?
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To be realistic, we are trying to play games without a starting QB or RB. It is expected that we won't win games.
Not gonna throw the coaches or team under the bus because of that. We have some solid players on both sides of the ball. And we have some areas that need improvement.
We aren't that far away from being a good team, once we get some talent at QB and RB.
I honestly don't know how anyone expects this team to win in it's current state.
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To be realistic, we are trying to play games without a starting QB or RB. It is expected that we won't win games.
Not gonna throw the coaches or team under the bus because of that. We have some solid players on both sides of the ball. And we have some areas that need improvement.
We aren't that far away from being a good team, once we get some talent at QB and RB.
I honestly don't know how anyone expects this team to win in it's current state.
You need to post more often Eve. I like well thought out replies.
Not the typical knee jerk stuff.
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This is what happens when you are completely one dimensional on offense. These guys are so pass happy it's unbelievable. They have no ability or desire to develop a running game. They bring the new kid in and he shows some quicks so do they hand him the ball 25 times? Of course not, much better to have Campbell throw the ball 39 times in this weather. Against the worst rushing defense in the league. This is the AFC NORTH. If you can't pound the rock you are going to have problems. Been saying it all year. When the snow starts flying and the wind is howling in off the lake, we are going to wish we had a running game.....
We did actually have a rushing touchdown today. I'll bet they hand out fines over that. Must have been a terrible disappointment to see a rushing TD.
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We get outplayed every week (except for last week).
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Really nice post Eve. Until we get offensive playmakers at important positions we aren't going to be a good team. We have to get a decent QB this offseason. Whether that comes via the draft, FA, a trade, or Hoyer I don't know. What I do know however is it will not come from Campbell or Weeden.....both guys need to go. We also need a legitimate running game, and another dependable WR.
It makes no sense to blame the coaches for this.....you can't make chicken salad out of chicken s***.
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We aren't that far away from being a good team, once we get some talent at QB and RB.
Folks have been saying that every year.....its not just some magic pill that we get a QB, or a RB and suddenly we are going to go from 4-12 to 12-4.....that rarely happens....
We had Peyton Hillis rush for what? 1,200 yards and 11 TD, and catch 61 passes for 477 yards and 2 more TD....how much did that exactly improve our record? "That year" mind you he was in the top 5 for Rb in the league...and it didn't help our Win-Loss column one bit.
I know many want to wear Brown and Orange Colored glasses, but this team needs A LOT more then just a QB and a RB.
This team needs new better players at:
CB (Opposite of Haden)
2 new Inside LB (Robertson and Jackson are not cutting it)
a new Free Safety (Gipson is not very good)
2 new Offensive Guards(Greco and Lavaou get manhanded...its not wonder we can't run the ball...we couldn't run the ball with Adrian Peterson back there with these guys getting owned all the time, they get no push at all)
A new Offensive RT - Schwartz could have a future as a guard/utility guy for depth, but he is not a starting quality Offensive Lineman....Jason Worilds(A steeler backup till a few weeks ago) destroyed him in the Steelers game, and thats just one game...Schwartz has been getting owned he isn't up to the task)
2 Wide receivers - Little and Bess are not cutting the mustard...all they do is drop the ball, gator arm, run the wrong routes, and are just not very good...no QB is going to succeed throwing the ball to these two...Gordon is the only WR we have that would be starting on another team...it needs addressed.
RB - RB is obviously a need
QB- again probably a need, especially if Hoyer doesn't pan out.
Defensive End - Bryant has a bad ticker...its not very likely he plays again...and for his health's sake he shouldn't..I don't want to see the guy die on the field just because he wants to push himself...Bryant was beginning to show he was a playmaker...but I think's he is done...Winn is a good rotational guy, but we need another impact DL in the worst way...we have trouble getting pressure and clogging holes now that Bryant is not playing...it clearly shows.
this team needs a lot of help...there is no way they can fill all these gaps in 2 offseasons...were looking at 3-4 at best case scenario...these are facts...many of the players some people think are good wouldn't start on other teams in the league....
Look at past Superbowl Winners:
The Steelers had Big Ben, Jerome Harrison, Troy Polamalu, and Santonio Holmes...4 big time play makers on both sides of the ball...difference makers.
The Ravens had Joe Flacco, Ray Rice, Ray Lewis, and Ed Reed...again 4 big time difference makers.
The Indianapolis Colts had Peyton Manning, Edgerin James, Marvin Harrison, Dwight Freeny, and Robert Mathis...again 5 big time play makers...difference makers.
See a pattern developing here? You will have a hard time naming anyone outside of Gordon on this team as the type of playmaker needed to win a championship.
The only playmakers we have on this team are Gordon...thats it....Now a case could be made for Haden and Ward....but i see them two as being really good players...Haden don't get a lot of INTS, but hes solid...Ward does make some plays....but neither of these guys are in the same league as the ones mentioned above...they don't do enough to change the impact and direction of a game like the guys i mentioned above.
this team lacks playmakers any which way you shake it...Holmgren and Co set this team back a good many years....its going to take awhile of very good drafting to get us out of this mess, and expecting that to happen anytime soon is not being realistic....we need far more then a QB and a RB to fix this mess...I hope im wrong, but when i compare the talent on this team to the 10-11 win teams the last few years...we just don't measure up....were not going to get to the playoffs with this mediocre talent we currently have....
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I'm disappointed, but I don't think things are as bad as others do. In a couple years I think this team will be pretty good. Yes, waiting a couple more years on top of what we've already waited sucks, but what else can be expected when starting over every 2-3 years? I'll continue to be patient. Luckily, my life doesn't revolve around the Browns.
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Look at past Superbowl Winners:
The Steelers had Big Ben , Jerome Harrison, Troy Polamalu, and Santonio Holmes...4 big time play makers on both sides of the ball...difference makers.
The Ravens had Joe Flacco , Ray Rice, Ray Lewis, and Ed Reed...again 4 big time difference makers.
The Indianapolis Colts had Peyton Manning , Edgerin James, Marvin Harrison, Dwight Freeny, and Robert Mathis...again 5 big time play makers...difference makers.
See a pattern developing here?
Yes, highlighted above. Quarterbacks who made those around them better and inspired the defensive side as well.
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I'm disappointed, but I don't think things are as bad as others do. In a couple years I think this team will be pretty good. Yes, waiting a couple more years on top of what we've already waited sucks, but what else can be expected when starting over every 2-3 years? I'll continue to be patient. Luckily, my life doesn't revolve around the Browns.
They're better. The coaches missed huge with Weeden starting this year. I'd like to see a QB drafted and sit behind Hoyer for a year, if he comes back. Hoyer appears to see the field well and anticipates throws very well.
Sign that Baker kid for the next year or two. He seems to really want the job, and the other RBs have looked like they were passing time. We need a running game almost more than a long time QB.
I'd like to see the FO keep their 'no sacred cows' stance as they have this year. They've taken some chances with new guys, and they seem mostly right so far.
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This team needs new better players at:
CB (Opposite of Haden)
2 new Inside LB (Robertson and Jackson are not cutting it)
a new Free Safety (Gipson is not very good)
2 new Offensive Guards(Greco and Lavaou get manhanded...its not wonder we can't run the ball...we couldn't run the ball with Adrian Peterson back there with these guys getting owned all the time, they get no push at all)
A new Offensive RT - Schwartz could have a future as a guard/utility guy for depth, but he is not a starting quality Offensive Lineman....Jason Worilds(A steeler backup till a few weeks ago) destroyed him in the Steelers game, and thats just one game...Schwartz has been getting owned he isn't up to the task)
2 Wide receivers - Little and Bess are not cutting the mustard...all they do is drop the ball, gator arm, run the wrong routes, and are just not very good...no QB is going to succeed throwing the ball to these two...Gordon is the only WR we have that would be starting on another team...it needs addressed.
RB - RB is obviously a need
QB- again probably a need, especially if Hoyer doesn't pan out.
Defensive End - Bryant has a bad ticker...its not very likely he plays again...and for his health's sake he shouldn't..I don't want to see the guy die on the field just because he wants to push himself...Bryant was beginning to show he was a playmaker...but I think's he is done...Winn is a good rotational guy, but we need another impact DL in the worst way...we have trouble getting pressure and clogging holes now that Bryant is not playing...it clearly shows.
We don't need a new RT, FS, ILB, or CB.
I do agree we need a QB RB G WR's
Meh.
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To be realistic, we are trying to play games without a starting QB or RB. It is expected that we won't win games.
Not gonna throw the coaches or team under the bus because of that. We have some solid players on both sides of the ball. And we have some areas that need improvement.
We aren't that far away from being a good team, once we get some talent at QB and RB.
I honestly don't know how anyone expects this team to win in it's current state.
You need to post more often Eve. I like well thought out replies.
Not the typical knee jerk stuff.
Agreed.
Believe it or not Peen, but I listen to you more than the knee jerk stuff.
Having good QB play makes up for having a bad O-line, bad defense etc. Your room for error at every position increases significantly as your quarterback talent increases. I call it the "Lebron James Effect." Our third down defense and weak running games deficiencies are amplified, because we currently cannot make many mistakes and still win because we dont have anyone we can count on the put points on the board. We don't even have a running back to rely on for us to put a lead away.
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Is anything in regards to the Browns really knee jerk, though?
We have double digit losses in 10 of the last 11 seasons. That's almost hard to comprehend. Hell, it's hard to accomplish. Maybe as hard as winning double digits for 10 of 11.
So how can there be such a thing as knee jerk when it comes to the Browns? Knee jerk is Steeler fan saying blow it up in the midst of 6-10 season surrounded by multiple 10-6 seasons. Knee jerk is Pats fan saying bench Brady because he falls down easily at the slightest touch.
Knee jerk in Browns Town? There is no such thing. But it makes posters who want to get on their high horses and act all righteous seem smarter than everyone else.
How can there be knee jerk when you've sucked for 14 straight years? I mean it's ok to get pissed at some point, right?
Please let us know when that is.
The same culture of losing that has infected Berea has infected most of the fan base too.
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My post game thoughts? Hey, we are now in a 6 way tie for the third pick in the 2014 draft. 
Hears to hoping Dorsey is the Browns Ozzie Newsome.
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Knee jerk in Browns Town? There is no such thing. But it makes posters who want to get on their high horses and act all righteous seem smarter than everyone else.
I'm very familiar with "Browns Town." It's the same culture that thinks because Bernie and Sipe had success, that every noodle armed QB we bring in can do the same thing. It's the same fanbase that's content with waiting and waiting for the perfect QB to come out of the draft. You know, something that will NEVER HAPPEN. That until then, they want to draft mid to late round project QBs and dream they can develop. It's the same fanbase that wants to win with blue collar "good ol boys" and resent having talented guys with character concerns because it's not "The Cleveland way." We'll news flash with the exception of the 80's and dionasaur age this franchise has never gotten the job done. That's the cold reality. Bernie NEVER got the job done. There were other factors, but I'm confused as to why our fanbase is so fascinated with the supposed glory days and thinks that replicating that will work in today's league. The nostalgia needs to end and the Browns need to adapt to this new era of football. Baltimore is adapting and Pittsburgh is too.
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Look, like I said we are mostly on the same page. The culture in Berea and the fan base in general is rotten to the core.
I just don't know how any Browns fan can be considered "knee jerk" at this point. I mean, come on. GB with Matt Flynn and a patchwork OL beat the Cowboys today in a great comeback. Pig Pen plays behind a terrible OL. Those teams find ways to win. We just lose and find excuses. ...and then people get labeled as "knee jerk" when they get pissed about it. Thats just self righteous BS.
Hell, Banner has gone into hiding. That coward was on every radio station when we were 3-2. I don't think he had any idea what he was stepping into.
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Hell, Banner has gone into hiding. That coward was on every radio station when we were 3-2. I don't think he had any idea what he was stepping into.
Same with Criminal Haslam. You don't see him down schmoozing with the Pound now. I don't think he knew what he was getting into either.
Congratulations to our 2016 NBA Champion CLEVELAND CAVALIERS!!! Greatest comeback in sports history... Hail to the King!
The great QB guru and the Moneyball group: 1-15
Record of Criminal Haslam owned Browns: 20-60 (0.250)
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Another loss at home,like all the rest to send fans home, wishing they spent the day sleeping instead. 
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Posting 'Blind' here... without reading other entries.
1. D is awful at getting 3&outs. If they want to be seen as dominant in the league, this must be fixed.
2. I had NO faith that Campbell could bring us back after the points swing. Too many checkdowns, in a league that favors big plays. He will play 'contain offense, but he'll never be The Man for this team.
3. Guys like Gordon and Cameron NEED to be used early in the game. Even if they drop passes in the 1st qtr, they need to be targeted... so they can find a rhythm with their QB. 17 left them out of the loop for far too long in this game.
4. Speaking of 17.... if you play timid football, you'll get dominated. That's what happened to the Browns on O today. I saw waaaaay too many checkdowns when 15+ yards were what was needed.
5. I like the new kid at RB. He hit the holes that opened up, ran for yarrd after contact, and made a statement in his first NFL game. I want to see more from him.
6. D was gassed in the 2nd half... and gave up more rushing yards in the second half of this game than they did all year. If you don't have balance, you can be exploited. They looked defeated when we needed them to step up the most. I can't really blame them, tho- they've been working their butts off all year, trying to compensate for the lackluster O our team has given them.
7. We've lost so many games this year based upon one or two plays. This team has GOT to find a way to turn those few plays to our advantage. We have a scant 2 games left to find that way... otherwise, they will take a 'loser's mentality' into the offseason... and quite possibly, into the 2014 campaign. It's imperative that this team close out the year with wins, even if they're out of playoff contention. They need to 'learn how to win' those tough games, when the win is all they're playing for. It's what sets the stage for a faster start in the upcoming season.
8. An 'incomplete team' must play perfect football to defeat a team with superior ability. We didn't do that today... on ANY side of the ball... and got what we deserved.
9. We need players on both sides of the ball. We need one or two more 'difference makers' on D, and 3-4 difference makers on O. Team depth has always been an issue for the Browns... and those issues always show up late in the regular season, when attrition becomes an issue.
10. We are soooo close, right now. The Browns' core personnel is basically set. If our FO can re-sign the players we need to keep, and draft the right players who can add to that core, we will have finally put together a team that can contend for the playoffs. It has taken 15 years of effort, but we now have something we can work with. No more 'deficit building.'
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This loss actually hurt less than last week's.
Why? Because of the way the points added up. D was responsible for 10 of our points (which bodes well for our future), and O actually generated the rest.
11. This announcing crew might have been the best we've seen /heard all year. Brian Billick's not half-bad as a color commentator..
OK.... I'm done for tonight-
"too many notes, not enough music-"
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