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Moral of Story.
"if you don't have something nice to say....spout everything out for all to hear in a publicity stunt for ratings"
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Moral of Story.
"if you don't have something nice to say....spout everything out for all to hear in a publicity stunt for ratings"
You honestly think he went into this interview thinking.. "If I spout off some outrageous things regarding my faith and insult a lot of people... there will be a huge social media backlash... then I'll get suspended... the folks who think I'm right will love me and the folks who think I'm wrong will hate me but both will watch to see what I do next... then I'll get reinstated.... then we'll have better ratings..."???
I think you give him too much credit.
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Moral of Story.
"if you don't have something nice to say....spout everything out for all to hear in a publicity stunt for ratings"
You honestly think he went into this interview thinking.. "If I spout off some outrageous things regarding my faith and insult a lot of people... there will be a huge social media backlash... then I'll get suspended... the folks who think I'm right will love me and the folks who think I'm wrong will hate me but both will watch to see what I do next... then I'll get reinstated.... then we'll have better ratings..."???
I think you give him too much credit.
You are so tainted with hate for me you can't even see through a simple light hearted comment. I know this didn't start out has a publicity stunt. But it certaintly turned into one. Lighten up, step away from the keyboard, go see a comedy show, musical, or something else. Geez.
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You are so tainted with hate for me...
Sorry, misunderstanding... and you are completely self-absorbed if you think you have any emotional impact on me what-so-ever.
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I do believe the entire issue was trumped up by A&E in order to drum up publicity for the show. I think the person asking the question was on the Payroll, I think Robertson said what he said strictly for publicity.
I think the whole damn thing is a Hoax..
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I really don't know for sure but I kind of have my doubts about that.
Drew Magary is a columnist who wrote the article for GQ and has a pretty long list of accomplishments as a writer.
Not saying it isn't a possibility, but I haven't found anything that in any way would connect him with A&E.
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I do believe the entire issue was trumped up by A&E in order to drum up publicity for the show. I think the person asking the question was on the Payroll, I think Robertson said what he said strictly for publicity.
I think the whole damn thing is a Hoax..
From someone that has never watched the show? (you).
That's pretty funny.
Did a & e trump it up? Possibly. Did the gq reporter get paid by a &e? No way. Did Phil say exactly what he thought, and has thought for decades? Yup. Is Phil right or wrong? That I don't know.........but I'd bet a & E, gq, and Phil were NOT in cahoots.
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I do believe the entire issue was trumped up by A&E in order to drum up publicity for the show. I think the person asking the question was on the Payroll, I think Robertson said what he said strictly for publicity.
I think the whole damn thing is a Hoax..
Once it was out there, I have no doubt that A&E did what they could to try to make it a positive for them... That's what any company would do when faced with controversy, mitigate the damage and/or turn it into a positive... happens every day.
I seriously doubt that they concocted it from the beginning and played everybody for their own benefit.
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You are so tainted with hate for me...
Sorry, misunderstanding... and you are completely self-absorbed if you think you have any emotional impact on me what-so-ever.
No misunderstanding at all. I know where we stand. 
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I do believe the entire issue was trumped up by A&E in order to drum up publicity for the show. I think the person asking the question was on the Payroll, I think Robertson said what he said strictly for publicity.
I think the whole damn thing is a Hoax..
Once it was out there, I have no doubt that A&E did what they could to try to make it a positive for them... That's what any company would do when faced with controversy, mitigate the damage and/or turn it into a positive... happens every day.
I seriously doubt that they concocted it from the beginning and played everybody for their own benefit.
well I think you know my feelings towards the media already right? So it's not a stretch to think I'd believe they did it on purpose. I know of nothing that would make me think otherwise.
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J/C Finally saw a bit of this show. A bit surprised that it's so popular. But only a bit. Par for the course. I am a bit shocked that this became an issue. Someone should ask Kim Kardashian her thoughts on abortion, and make a national debate out of her answer. 
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A bit surprised that it's so popular. But only a bit.
As the saying goes, think of how dumb the average person is.... now realize that half of everyone is dumber than that and things like the popularity of this show, and all of reality TV for that matter, are not a surprise in any way.
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And some people simply like TV as a recreation, a way to amuse themselves. They often don't take such shows seriously but see the humor in them.
I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing.
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I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing.
Exactly... most people don't watch television to be intellectually challenged, they watch it to be amused and entertained... one could make the argument that anybody who spends hours watching grown men beating each other to a pulp every weekend in order to advance an inflated ball of pig skin across an arbitrary line in the dirt are no more intellectually advanced than the people who watch Duck Dynasty... and this is coming from somebody who has only seen the show once or twice... I do find it funny that people bash "reality tv" when live sports is the original "reality tv"...
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Pro wrestling, maybe.
Live sports has undetermined outcomes. Most reality television doesn't contain much reality. It's predominantly staged and heavily edited.
I didn't make my comment to say that one is dumb because they watch it. I was just a bit surprised at the numbers that show pulls in.
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I watched that show "Hardcore Pawn" when it first came on, because I liked Pawn Stars and some of the things they took in on pawn were cool. I just had to give it up before long because the idiocy they went to in order to try and be interesting was just ridiculous. It became some overly exaggerated hyperbole, that becomes completely unbelievable.
I think that most reality TV is crap. There are a few gems, or at least moderately interesting shows here and there ...... but given the hundreds of "reality" TV shows on the air, the percentage of quality shows is pretty low.
I will say that I have never seen Duck Dynasty, so I cannot say one way or the other which category they fall into.
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Pro wrestling, maybe.
Live sports has undetermined outcomes. Most reality television doesn't contain much reality. It's predominantly staged and heavily edited.
The amazing race and the voice have undetermined outcomes too... Reality shows are about creating a competition, selecting players, having fans associate and root for a specific player, they have the human interest stories, they have competitions,and ultimately they have a winner... they are set up to play on the same emotions that sports uses to keep fans coming back... heck on some of them you can even vote on the winner, thus feeling like you are a part of the game...
I never said it was the NFL, I just said that live sports was the original precursor to reality TV.. and it was.
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you guys are describing 2 different genre's here though.
PDR is describing the pseudo-drama reality TV
DC is describing the game-show reality TV
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I was referring more to these niche shows where it's clear that little to none of it is actually happening in the moment, i.e. these storage bidding/pawn shop/duck business shows with stilted dialogue that's obviously scripted and planned.
And in no way do I see sports as a precursor to reality television. The first reality show as we know it was The Real World, which I'd say came more from Donahue than sports.
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you guys are describing 2 different genre's here though.
PDR is describing the pseudo-drama reality TV
DC is describing the game-show reality TV
Ok, move along then. 
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PDR, not sure if you saw this.. I'm just going to post the link because if you don't go see the pictures, you're missing all of the fun... "Duck Dynasty" Before A&E
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And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul.
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PDR, not sure if you saw this.. I'm just going to post the link because if you don't go see the pictures, you're missing all of the fun...
"Duck Dynasty" Before A&E
I dare someone, anyone to argue that this whole thing isn't a put up job.
Nice find DC... Proves that the whole thing is for ratings.
Tell me, look at those pictures and explain how those clean cut looks would sell duck calls?
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Are you saying that a large percentage of the Duck Dynasty watchers wouldn't watch if the family, on their days off, went to the beach and played golf in khaki pants and argyle socks? My first thought when I saw the article was... this will kill the show far faster than any religious controversy..
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Are you saying that a large percentage of the Duck Dynasty watchers wouldn't watch if the family, on their days off, went to the beach and played golf in khaki pants and argyle socks?
My first thought when I saw the article was... this will kill the show far faster than any religious controversy..
That is exactly what I'm saying 
I agree, this has the ammo to kill the show.. You know, if someone likes it, fine. I got no problem with it, but don't you think they should be aware that it's not all as it seems
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I guess I should state for the record, to protect myself and jfa, that I did not fully vet this information, I'm taking the authors word for it.... so if it turns out not to be true and the Duck Dynasty cast really is camo wearing, beard having rednecks, I assume no responsibility... and I hope my credibility doesn't suffer. 
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Meh. Just another fake scripted reality show doing a publicity stunt. Not any different than when the cartoon dog died.
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Y'know what bothers me?
It's not the fact that this family is on TV.
It's not the fact that it's another "scripted reality" show.
It's not the fact that these people might be portraying caricatures of themselves, or even that they may or may not be 'media constructs'...
...what bothers me the most is that their show runs on A&E.
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I've missed that A&E for a long time.
And I wouldn't miss them quite so much, if someone stepped up to become what they once were... back when they were relevant to consumers like me.
Sorry for the rant.
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I totally hear you. I remember when the History channel used to have actual educational history shows on it. These days its all scripted reality shows and docudramas. Fake stuff. I don't know how long it took me to convince my Dad that Ancient Aliens isn't real.  PBS is the only authentic channel anymore.
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When PBS arrived, they were the only game in town for Arts and entertainment. One of only 13 channels. Fast-forward: consumers now have >500 channels to watch, and PBS is still the only place they can go with confidence.
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PDR, not sure if you saw this.. I'm just going to post the link because if you don't go see the pictures, you're missing all of the fun...
"Duck Dynasty" Before A&E
I dare someone, anyone to argue that this whole thing isn't a put up job.
Nice find DC... Proves that the whole thing is for ratings.
Tell me, look at those pictures and explain how those clean cut looks would sell duck calls?
Don't know. Apparently those clean cut looks DID sell duck calls, as the family sure isn't rich from the show. They only recently got a raise to $200,000 per episode........split amongst 20 people. Do the math. Roughly 10 episodes per season. They've only done 4 seasons so far.
If, IF the money was split evenly, that would be $10,000 per person per episode. (and I don't know the exact split - but I know it's not an even split). $10,000 per episode, 10 episodes......$100,000 per year, per person. Nice money.
Please note, the $200,000 per episode was for season 4 only. Prior to that, it was much less.
To all of you that think the pictures "prove" anything: I'd like to see pictures of YOU from the 90's. Bet it would be interesting.
I'm still not clear on what these pictures "prove". If they prove anything, I would say it's that the duck call business did them pretty well, and they parlayed that into even more.
Now, how many of you dumping on the show have really watched it? None. I find that odd. If you haven't watched it, and I don't mean "I saw 1 episode", how can you comment on the family? And yes, most all of you have said "I watched a few minutes of it......"
Odd. Anyone seen the family speaking in churches? Before OR after the show? Anyone heard about the family other than the show, or Phil's comments to GQ?
Just curious. And I'm sure you'll all be posting pictures of yourselves from the 90's, right?
A number of people on here have met me, or, I've met them: Cap, Columbus, Peen, Clem, Canada, Biff, GM, and others. If they'd seen pictures of me from the 90's, aside from the same facial structure, well...........they wouldn't recognize me.
I don't watch the show because of the beards. I don't watch the show and think "fake". I don't watch the show with envy.
I watch the show because I enjoy the show. If that lowers me in all of your opinions, lower me away. And I'll say "all of you that watch wwf, ucf, hockey, baseball, oprah, msnbc, golf, any "reality" show, etc.......you're all jackwads. And, according to your standards, I'd be right.
Some have suggested that those that watch this show are backwoods hicks. It's the whole "I'm better than them" theme. Got it.
It's a t.v. show. If anyone thinks there's not editing going on, well, stupid comes to mind.
The family's money was not made by the show. The money was made by the duck and deer calls. The show money was and is just icing on the cake.
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Calm down, some people are just joking. Personally, I wish they kept that 90's look and tried to transform into the redneck versions of Scott Disick. :P
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Don't know. Apparently those clean cut looks DID sell duck calls, as the family sure isn't rich from the show.
I don't watch the show (other than the one time I did just so I could say I watched it) so I wouldn't know if the first time it aired, they were clean cut.
if they weren't and if they haven't shown the clean cut look on the show, they I'd say that the Duck Call sold itself by being a good product. I'm not a hunter so I have no way of knowing if it's a good product. But it sold so someone liked it.
So, if they weren't ever shown clean cut and some exec at A&E said, hey, we can make a reality show out of this if we "red neck" these people up a little.
Then it wasn't the clean cut look that sold anything.
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I actually though that Duck Dynasty was a cartoon show before I started seeing the merchandise all over the place starting before Christmas. (and obviously, before the controversy)
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I actually though that Duck Dynasty was a cartoon show before I started seeing the merchandise all over the place starting before Christmas. (and obviously, before the controversy)
In a funny way, it is a cartoon
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Some have suggested that those that watch this show are backwoods hicks. It's the whole "I'm better than them" theme. Got it.
And the funny thing is, IF any of the people saying this are GOP or moral majority people, it's these same people in the south like the Robertsons, that cause the GOP to win the south in national elections.
Without these "hicks" there would never be Republican presidents elected. NEVER!
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To me the show is a comedy/reality show that I find quite amusing. At least in this reality show, there is humor, family structure and a strong sense of faith. If anyone is looking to be educated, informed or looking for some deep insight, the show is not for them.
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I don't watch the show (other than the one time I did just so I could say I watched it) so I wouldn't know if the first time it aired, they were clean cut.
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So, if they weren't ever shown clean cut and some exec at A&E said, hey, we can make a reality show out of this if we "red neck" these people up a little.
So it isn't possible that in two decades between the time those pictures were taken, up until the time the show began, that they grew the beards on their own?
Man, that's one HUGE reach on your part! I highly doubt that A&E had them grow beards "just for the show". Just from looking at what happened when Phil expressed his religious beliefs, I don't think A&E has much pull in what the Robertsons do. When your family is worth 15 mil., why in the world would they change who they are for what to them would be chump change?
Your assumption that they might have been "rednecked up" for the show is ridiculous IMO
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I confess that i like the show. I like to see what stupid stuff the guys get into and watching Willie get exasperated with them. I find it more entertaining then most of the crap they put on tv now days.
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