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Lets pretend, We are looking for a coach this year.
Would you want Shanahan?
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Lets pretend, We are looking for a coach this year.
Would you want Shanahan?
Sure.
I'm sure he deserves his blame for what's going on in DC, but Dan Synder takes a big part of that cake.
What about college coaches? Did Chip Kelly open the flood gates for coaches to make the jump? He has done a bang up job in Philly. The job he has done with Nick Foles... I'd actually consider him for coach of the year if they finish strong.
I don't really see anybody that screams NFL. Maybe Bill O'Brien?
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Pretend or not, the real question is....Would Shanahan want to be HC coach for the Brown's? We had our real chance to grab him a few years ago, but junior knee jerked out a Mangenuis. 
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Pretend or not, the real question is....Would Shanahan want to be HC coach for the Brown's? We had our real chance to grab him a few years ago, but junior knee jerked out a Mangenuis.
That all depends on what jobs are available to him. Also assuming he still wants to coach which I think he does.
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Lets pretend, We are looking for a coach this year.
Would you want Shanahan?
Sure.
Browns is the Browns
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Ok lets stop pretending. Would you want him over Chud now?
As in make the switch this off season.
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Why not? Switching coaches every 2 years hasn't worked, so maybe switching every year would be better. 
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Lets pretend, We are looking for a coach this year.
Would you want Shanahan?
without a QB, not sure it matters who the coach is. I'm sure Chud and Turner would have a much better offense if we had some consistency at QB.
Shanahan had a good QB last year, and he did fine. His QB suffered a horrible year this year and thus he looks average.
Same coach, Same QB. different year with an Injury to QB, different result.
When he had Elway, he won, when he didn't, he didn't win as much (although he did a decent job for most of his years in Denver) that includes two years with Cutler (7-9 and 8-8)
I guess if Haslam and Banner were of the mind to change coaching (and I don't believe for one second that they are), we could do a helluva lot worse than Shanahan
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I'm good with Chud. I want him to get time to grow into the position and for this roster to be built to his liking, and that starts with a QB...
And yeah the switching coaches every 3 years thing has reached its peak annoyance.
There is very short list of guys I would fire Chud to hire right now.
If Belichick were to get canned or something... Nick Saban,
How about Urban Meyer? I do think his next stop after OSU will be the NFL.
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Why not?
Switching coaches every 2 years hasn't worked, so maybe switching every year would be better.
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--I am not as high on Shanny as others. He hasn't done squat since he lost Elway. His time in Washington has been less than impressive. He seems to alienate players and he comes across similar to The Big Show in terms of an overblown ego.
--I am taking Haslam at his word in regards to continuity. He's got his guys in now. He said he would stick w/them. I expect him to do just that. I pray he's not another Junior and starts blowing things up too early.
--I think Chud has been decent as a first year coach. For the most part, he has showed guts and made the tough calls. I like how he expects players to earn their positions. His challenges have been good. He allows his coordinators to do their thing and he takes care of the HC responsibilities. He hasn't been perfect, but I want to keep him.
--I think Urban Meyer is at his dream job and isn't going anywhere. I think he set that whole thing up so he could coach at Ohio State. Again, that is his dream job.
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Lets pretend, We are looking for a coach this year.
Would you want Shanahan?
No. Not even if we had a vacancy... and I certainly wouldn't switch out the staff we have.
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No.
He only did well when he had one of the best QBs to ever play the game (and a running game that supported that QB to finally reach the summit). Most of the guys on this board would have been able to coach those Denver Super Bowl teams to the playoffs.
I'm cool with Chud. And I'm cool with him to still be our coach for the next few years without even thinking about a replacement. We need to let him grow along with our team. I'm sick of firing a coach 6 weeks after we hire one (at least it seems like we do).
- draft a QB
- build the talent of the roster
- let Chud grow
- let the team grow
- expect wins but don't rebuild if it doesn't happen right away
Do it right.
Heck, firing Chud will only reinforce the belief around the league that this is a toxic job. "You're hired to take this set of losers and make them winners overnight and if you don't do it by week 6, we'll start finding your replacement."
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Why not?
Switching coaches every 2 years hasn't worked, so maybe switching every year would be better.
You got me. I LOL'd.
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If he were just the coach, I'd have to consider it. I don't think so for the simple fact that most guys who've had the success like Shanny tend to ride that wave of success and not work as hard.
See Mike Holmgren.
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Ok lets stop pretending. Would you want him over Chud now?
As in make the switch this off season.
Sure.
Browns is the Browns
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He only did well when he had one of the best QBs to ever play the game (and a running game that supported that QB to finally reach the summit). Most of the guys on this board would have been able to coach those Denver Super Bowl teams to the playoffs.
I'm cool with Chud. And I'm cool with him to still be our coach for the next few years without even thinking about a replacement. We need to let him grow along with our team. I'm sick of firing a coach 6 weeks after we hire one (at least it seems like we do).
- draft a QB
- build the talent of the roster
- let Chud grow
- let the team grow
- expect wins but don't rebuild if it doesn't happen right away
Do it right.
Heck, firing Chud will only reinforce the belief around the league that this is a toxic job. "You're hired to take this set of losers and make them winners overnight and if you don't do it by week 6, we'll start finding your replacement."
Totally agree.
I'm excited that we will be in year two of this system to see if guys can grasp things a little better, while at the same time the team itself will be upgraded.
You start with Hoyer or a rook QB, and they will be in better position because the guys around them will have better understanding of the plays.
Also, not starting Brandon Weeden will have its benefits.
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Nope. While being a good producer of running backs he doesn't do anything else. His offensive style would run Josh Gordon out of Cleveland. He simply does not have a good grasp on our passing game.
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I would say no to Shanahan. (even though he'd say no to us as well).
If I had my pick of someone who hasn't been a head coach yet? I'd say David Shaw. I think he gets the most out of his players and runs a great offense.
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Ok lets stop pretending. Would you want him over Chud now?
As in make the switch this off season.
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Why not?
Switching coaches every 2 years hasn't worked, so maybe switching every year would be better.
Maybe we should keep one for awhile just to see if there's a difference.
Here's Tom Landry's first years as the Dallas HC.
1st year - 0 - 11
2nd year - 4 - 9
3rd year - 5 - 8
4th year - 4 - 10
5th year - 5 - 8 - 1
6th year - 7 - 7
7th year - 10 - 3
It took 7 years to have his first winning season and he went on to win 3 NFC championships and 2 Super Bowls.
So yeah, lets give up on our coaches in 1 to 2 years, its been working so well for us up to now.
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Actually, no, and I respect Shanahan as a coach.
I am not seeing the silliness that was associated with Crennel, Mangini, and Shurmer... You may question some moves and playcalling, which occurs with losing, but the things that make you go hmmmmm, just have not accumulated to the point where I think Chud is in over his head.
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7 years seems like a long time to wait to get a winner, but look at us, we're going on 14 years with only two winning seasons.. So maybe it's not that long.
Go look at Chuck Nolls record. that's another guy that didn't look so good for a few years before taking his team to 4 superbowl in the 70's. His first three years were horrible.. Then it just took off. It took Jimmy Johnson 3 years to have a winning season.
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I think the difference is in the money. Right or wrong, the NFL is a huge revenue machine. There was a time that a lot less money was on the table. And while those of us here and on other fan boards are proof that there are still very loyal fans, for most teams, continuing a tradition of losing would be financially devastating. One can say that continuity is the key to it all, but I would just like to ask the posters on the board, who have we had as a HC the last 14 years that you believe should have been given 5 to 7 years? RAC? Shurmer? And I hate to even ask this one, but Mangini?  Another thing, once a HC has success, often they demand more control than they can handle. So you end up with a guy who while is a good HC, takes on responsibilities he isn't familiar with. Not always a good thing. While I believe in giving everyone a chance, I also believe in seeing progress. When you look at the hierarchy involved, a GM or president of football operations aren't going to fire themselves. They are also expected to give results. I just believe that when a team costs a billion dollars, that's a huge investment and a corporation that expects results. I don't believe we are in an age in the NFL where people are generally given a five year leash anymore. I believe three years is enough time to show some progress if you have the tools to succeed. Who here would spend a billion dollars if they had it, and not expect to see signs of progress?
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Why not?
Switching coaches every 2 years hasn't worked, so maybe switching every year would be better.
Maybe we should keep one for awhile just to see if there's a difference.
Here's Tom Landry's first years as the Dallas HC.
1st year - 0 - 11
2nd year - 4 - 9
3rd year - 5 - 8
4th year - 4 - 10
5th year - 5 - 8 - 1
6th year - 7 - 7
7th year - 10 - 3
It took 7 years to have his first winning season and he went on to win 3 NFC championships and 2 Super Bowls.
So yeah, lets give up on our coaches in 1 to 2 years, its been working so well for us up to now.
It's funny.... I've made this argument with every one of the last several head coaches we've had and everyone has been all on board with throwing out the baby with the bath water.
Browns is the Browns
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J/C. No thank you to Shanahan. Not interested.
Not to mention Haslam and Banner have said when they hired Chud, that you can't win if you don't have continuity and consistency in the FO and staff. Chud hasn't been given a fair shot and his play calling has been creative. I would rather have Chud.
And the next head coach is ......
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One can say that continuity is the key to it all, but I would just like to ask the posters on the board, who have we had as a HC the last 14 years that you believe should have been given 5 to 7 years? RAC? Shurmer? And I hate to even ask this one, but Mangini?
The key part of your questions is 5-7 years. Big Mangini fan myself, but no one should be given 5-7 years to turn a team around. If you're asking to compete for the super bowl, HC should be making or dang near a playoff team after 3 attempting a run at the super bowl in years 5-7. I should add playoff bound in 3 years provided he has FO support.
In your list of three, Shurmer was the only one given a fair attempt. RAC never had a GM to work with. Mangini basically worked with 3 GM's, one being himself, a owner, and pseudo owner. Eric had no chance. Shurmur had everything but simply wasn't ready. Chud stands to be the most successful given everything up front.
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I'm not a fan of Mangini or the way he handled things here but you are right, he didn't have any support to speak of.
It's also funny that you say a HC (or regime) needs 3 years to get us to the playoffs, yet I can't believe that we are having a thread talking about if we want Shanahan next season giving Chud only one season to make good of this mess he inherited.
I understand the frustration, but 1 year? seriouisly?
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Why hire coach for one year? Besides Shanahan is not a good fit with Banner and Lombardi. Shanahan is to much a "me" type. I would be absolutely shocked and down right disappointed in Banner if they fire Chud. They stated loud and clear last year they were hiring a coach for the long haul. They did their do-diligence selecting Chud, and adding Chud to the "circle of trust" assisting in future decision making.
As for the three years, proof is in the pudding. Not meaning this as a slam against the prior regime. Compare Chud and Shurmur first year night and day. By no means is Chud perfect. Looking back at the prior regime after three years. Did you feel confident another two years makes a difference? You saw no improvement from year one to three. I'm not talking talent. I'm talking the whole makeup of the franchise. Say what you will but Banner/Haslam era so far looks like a plan. At this stage, I see no reason why they cannot improve ten fold next season and season after that.
I know there is a big line dividing Magini supporters and haters. Compare Chud's first year and Mangini. You will find a lot of similarities. I don't mean in schemes. I mean how the season played out with highs/lows and QB situation. Mangini, similar to Banner/Lombardi, brought in a lot of back-end talent throughout the season. Regardless whether you liked or disliked it truly sucked the FO during Mangini's term failed miserably.
Chud can walk away having a great first year by simply beating Steelers in three-rivers. He is already the first coach in a long time to have two wins in the AFCN. Beating the Steelers in Pittsburgh would be a first away victory in a long time, and Cleveland can finish .500 in the conference which hasn't happen in many of our lifetimes.
One big difference between Chud and Mangini every game Chud coached was enjoyable to watch. You may not liked how it ended, but you weren't contemplating mowing grass or shoveling sidewalks over watching the Browns!
In the end, I am pretending Chud picks up where Mangini left off.
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First let me say, I'm am neither a Supporter or hater of Mangini. I think he did some very good things. He sure had the team playing well at the end of that one year. Someone handed him (he himself) lemons and he made lemonade.
but in the end, he wasn't HC material. Please notice, he's not coaching anymore. I don't know if he'll ever coach again.
As for why give Chud only 1 year.. I don't know why it would be a good idea. I think it's idiotic to even think about it. But that's just me.
Chud needs 3 years at minimum. And I don't believe that Banner would have it any other way.
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First let me say, I'm am neither a Supporter or hater of Mangini. I think he did some very good things. He sure had the team playing well at the end of that one year. Someone handed him (he himself) lemons and he made lemonade.
but in the end, he wasn't HC material. Please notice, he's not coaching anymore. I don't know if he'll ever coach again.
As for why give Chud only 1 year.. I don't know why it would be a good idea. I think it's idiotic to even think about it. But that's just me.
Chud needs 3 years at minimum. And I don't believe that Banner would have it any other way.
On Mangini not hired as a HC, I think the new CBA really handcuffs Mangini's style. It is also why coaches such as Gruden and Cowher don't return. They were all about practice...practice...practice coaching up talent. Todays NFL is get talent from the start. I think teams such as the Steelers who constantly produce talent is over. You are going to see a lot of teams use what Banner/Lombardi are starting to do. Bring in UDFA/PS throughout the year trying to find lightening in a bottle. Coaching players up takes three times as long. It is why the FO is so important.
I also believe off season training camps such as LeCharles Bentley will become important. I can very well see ex-coaches start their own business.
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Why not?
Switching coaches every 2 years hasn't worked, so maybe switching every year would be better.
Maybe we should keep one for awhile just to see if there's a difference.
Here's Tom Landry's first years as the Dallas HC.
1st year - 0 - 11
2nd year - 4 - 9
3rd year - 5 - 8
4th year - 4 - 10
5th year - 5 - 8 - 1
6th year - 7 - 7
7th year - 10 - 3
It took 7 years to have his first winning season and he went on to win 3 NFC championships and 2 Super Bowls.
So yeah, lets give up on our coaches in 1 to 2 years, its been working so well for us up to now.
Marvin Lewis has been with the Bengals 10 years and has won 0 super bowls.
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One can say that continuity is the key to it all, but I would just like to ask the posters on the board, who have we had as a HC the last 14 years that you believe should have been given 5 to 7 years? RAC? Shurmer? And I hate to even ask this one, but Mangini?
Well if they were just Head Coach & NOT running the whole show, I think Eric Mangini and Butch Davis would have turned out much better. Each for different strengths. They just got too too much power too earlier in there NFL head coaching careers.
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