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what the hell was bess gonna teach gordon? a better way to roll?
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Haslam should clean house. If he is gonna fire Chud and that staff for a bottom line production then he should hold the FO to the same standard.
That is the popular sentiment, but I can't agree w/that. The FO has made some good moves, especially in terms of positioning ourselves to have a strong draft.
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... no other recourse. 
Why does any criticism of the current regime, have to be compared against the previous? Why can they not be judged on their own merit (or lack thereof)?
therein lies a problem we all have.. many times we feel the need to bash or support a current regime based solely on the actions of past regimes and the logic doesn't flow.
Once a FO(and coaches) has control of the roster who is on it and who plays is on them. not on the decisions of the past FO, save for 1) how moving them (cut, trade etc) would effect the cap and 2) any picks lost due to past FO actions.
After that any player a FO inherits and is still on the team after the new roster is set is on them, to try to pin that on the old regime is fallacy ( assuming the precedent? I think, many years removed from logic class). By the same if any player inherited excels the fact he is still on the roster any credit for that player being on the roster, (after credit is given to pervious FO for getting that player initially), belongs to the new FO.
The only time (imo) a past FO can be held accountable in perpetuity on an action is when they DONT draft a player, ( hell I still contend that not drafting Phil Loadholt was one of the biggest draft blunders in 14 years). But even that is wrought with pitfalls... just because a player succeeds with one team does not mean he would have in another environment, different coaches, schemes, supporting casts, opportunities etc, could have resulted in disaster.
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... not drafting Phil Loadholt was one of the biggest draft blunders ...
Who else was big on Loadholt....was it Spirit?
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[quote Haslam should clean house. If he is gonna fire Chud and that staff for a bottom line production then he should hold the FO to the same standard.
You can make that argument, but typically you try to clean up bottom to top, like Munchak being asked to fire coaches.... The HC we would ike to keep but with these changes. Here we just went a rung further up.
Still it puts B&L on notice, improve things or your next, well IMO Lombardi would be next,
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Shady McCoy was drafted between MoMass and Vikune!
I think that takes the cake!
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Who else was big on Loadholt....was it Spirit?
Yes, one of the few times we have been in sync.  Actually Spirit is big on OL and LB, I am of the same feeling.
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j/c… Man somebody needs to get this get into a medical treatment facility quick. Bess apparently had an incident in December right about the time he was "excused for personal reasons" and he is now tweeting pics of himself completely naked. Bess Incident: December Bess Article about Twitter Pic
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But someone can waive HIPPA and I'm sure MOST players have to in trades, draft, etc.
What on Earth would make you think that one of the most powerful unions in the country would allow a scenario where their members are forced to give up basic privacy rights?
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Who cares about the contract? We have tons of cap space for the foreseeable future.
LOl.....I guess that is my point. Even if we have to take the hit, I don't see that 3 mil being in play. As I said earlier, I doubt we planned on spending all 40 mil this year.
If we were sitting there with 8 mil of room, sure, 3 mil might be a issue. At this point, it isn't.
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I know your not talking about me .... BUT I am inclined to point one thing out .. and maybe its just me ..
in my eyes ... being a drug addict and having a drug problem is one thing ... being a WHACK JOB is an entirely different story .... so to me .. there only similar in the fact they had drug issues .... the WHACK JOB component is a whole different element if u want to compare these two situations ....
the easiest way to compare in my eyes is to say Jordan had 1 strike (drugs) and Bess had 2 strikes (drugs and whacko) ...
The FO 100% deserves to be CHASTISED for this ... I can live with the trade ... loved it at the time .. but I had no clue he had even been arrested much less knew about his mental instability ...
but if they want to roll the dice on a druggie to come in and help mentor our stud druggie and his very in mature side kick (Little) so be it .... I think that's crappy ass logic but he was a vet that could catch ... but to give this guy an extension .. PLEASE .... that's BAD BUSINESS and if anyone wants to defend that there agenda is creeping way to far into their thought process ...
now .. if someone wants to defend the DA's and say that maybe Chud or Norv or both of them made the decision to roll the dice ... I may not agree with them but at least its a feasible excuse for letting the DA's off the hook ...
U know me Vers .. where theres smoke theres fire ... well with these guys .. theres so much smoke ... the smoke alone is enough to be considered a fire ...
and this is coming from someone who questioned the Walrus from day 1 and was very leery of his GM ability .... and I ended up not liking him at all ... well the only diff between these guys and him in my eyes .. is these guys PROVED TO ME THERE CLUELESS ALOT QUICKER than the Walrus did ...
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More clueless than bringing in Seneca and Jake?
More clueless than keeping Mangini for one year and giving him nothing on offense and then firing him the next year?
More clueless than trading up for TRich w/a team that had Peterson?
More clueless than hiring Shurmur?
More clueless than drafting Weeden?
More clueless than taking a tackle w/a 4th round grade in the second?
More clueless than being out of state for large chunks of the REGULAR season?
More clueless than making an occasional appearance at TC while sitting in a golf cart and smoking cigarettes?
More clueless than giving the Seattle media interviews in front of Cleveland's media?
More clueless than instead of writing a letter to the local fans, he tells them that you're either for us or against us........and tells the media to not come to him for playoff tickets?
I could go on.............ó....but, the new guys have a ways to go before they catch up w/the previous regime.
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Seems like Bess is making headlines on a day-to-day bases now. Unless the front office is determining the best way to cut him so they don't take money-loss or waiting for the legal stuff to come out so they can then make moves, I'm not sure why his name is still associated with this team.
He's falling off the deep end. Drug problem, family problem or whatever, spare me, he's a whack job and is only making this team look more of a joke as each incident of him passes. I'm sorry but if I am sad and depressed, I don't wake up and say hey it's an excellent morning to post a naked picture of me on Facebook for the world to see.
You people "I feel sorry for him" and etc. Give me a break. It's the same people that feel bad for these nut heads that go into schools, theaters and etc and blast a bunch of people. No sympathy here. If he was troubled, there are a lot of other options he could take compared to the ones he has that would warrant my sympathy. But no, he's going out in public and doing everything that keeps getting his name in news headlines.
The Browns need to find the best way to get him off this team to where they don't have to pay him anything and let him spiral downhill which is exactly what Bess is wanting. I mean read his comments he said when he was released. He's six beers short of a six pack.
The front office made an incredible mistake here. How can, with all these scouts and etc, make a move for someone and not know about his issue with the cops and etc? Unless it was a 'known' gamble, like drafting Armonty Bryant was and etc - it makes no sense. If that is how this front office wants to operate, then we could be in more trouble. Usually when the Browns do something that is risky, I mean c'mon, it's the Browns we're talking about... it hardly ever works out.
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Seems like Bess is making headlines on a day-to-day bases now. Unless the front office is determining the best way to cut him so they don't take money-loss or waiting for the legal stuff to come out so they can then make moves, I'm not sure why his name is still associated with this team.
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I didn't know that. Seems silly. We got an issue on our hand that shouldn't have to wait until February to deal with but... rules are rules.
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Prevents wink-wink agreements b/w teams with players whose contracts are expired and teams still in playoffs.
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If the Patriots, Broncos, Seahawks or Niners think that this turd could help them, more power to them.
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My comment had nothing to do with Bess specifically, just why the rule is in place.
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Report: Dolphins didn't tell Browns about Bess' condition before trade Last off season, shortly after Davone Bess was arrested and committed against his will to a treatment facility for psychological and emotional issues, the Dolphins traded him to the Browns. But according to Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald, the Dolphins didn't share that information before consummating the deal. "While the Dolphins knew Bess was troubled," Salguero wrote, "sources confirm they took a don't-ask-don't-tell approach on the matter when shopping and trading Bess. The Dolphins did not offer information on Bess' apparent personal instability." If true, this reflects poorly on former general manager Jeff Ireland, who mutually agreed to leave the team earlier this month, as well as the Dolphins front office. It's why owner Stephen Ross stressed the word "integrity" when he explained what he was looking for in his next GM. "This individual also must be a person with integrity who is open-minded and creative," Ross said in a statement. "Credibility and respect are currency in the NFL and no one wants to be bankrupt," Salguero points out. "You have no idea how many NFL people I talk to tell me about the respect they have for one another despite the fact they want to bash each other's heads in on game day." Bess, who played in 14 games with the Browns during the 2013 season and caught 42 passes for 382 yards and two touchdowns, has been under scrutiny in recent days. First, he posted photos to Twitter of what appeared to be marijuana. And Friday, he was arrested for allegedly assaulting an officer at the Fort Lauderdale/Hollywood (Fla.) International Airport. Bess missed the final two games of the 2013 season after the Browns placed him on the non-football injury list. The Cleveland Plain Dealer reports that Bess had been dealing with personal issues for some time and had been battling insomnia. He had flown back to Florida to seek treatment. If the Browns decide to cut ties with Bess they can't do so until after the Super Bowl; all rosters for teams not taking part in the postseason are frozen until then. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foot...-prior-to-trade
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There is a poll on the WEWS Channel 5 Facebook page asking if Haslam was so quick to pull the trigger on Chud after just one season, do you feel if he should do the same thing to Lombardi over Bess.
I responded that I didn't think it reflected poorly on Lombardi because it was an internal Miami issue that they didn't feel it was necessary to let us in on. (Wrongly I believe)
But what shocked me was how many thought that that Lombardi should be fired over this situation..
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There is a poll on the WEWS Channel 5 Facebook page asking if Haslam was so quick to pull the trigger on Chud after just one season, do you feel if he should do the same thing to Lombardi over Bess.
I responded that I didn't think it reflected poorly on Lombardi because it was an internal Miami issue that they didn't feel it was necessary to let us in on. (Wrongly I believe)
But what shocked me was how many thought that that Lombardi should be fired over this situation..
You're shocked that people are stupid on Facebook? hahaha
Go to The "Cleveland Browns" group on facebook and prepare to get dumber for having read anything from that page.
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There is a poll on the WEWS Channel 5 Facebook page asking if Haslam was so quick to pull the trigger on Chud after just one season, do you feel if he should do the same thing to Lombardi over Bess.
I responded that I didn't think it reflected poorly on Lombardi because it was an internal Miami issue that they didn't feel it was necessary to let us in on. (Wrongly I believe)
But what shocked me was how many thought that that Lombardi should be fired over this situation..
People hate Lombardi.
I bet you could get 40-50% on a poll asking whether or not Lombardi should be fired because it snowed.
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There is a poll on the WEWS Channel 5 Facebook page asking if Haslam was so quick to pull the trigger on Chud after just one season, do you feel if he should do the same thing to Lombardi over Bess.
I responded that I didn't think it reflected poorly on Lombardi because it was an internal Miami issue that they didn't feel it was necessary to let us in on. (Wrongly I believe)
But what shocked me was how many thought that that Lombardi should be fired over this situation..
People hate Lombardi.
I bet you could get 40-50% on a poll asking whether or not Lombardi should be fired because it snowed.
They should just post a wanted pic of him with green skin and bolts coming out of his neck. The pitchforks are sharpened and the torches are lit, it's time to get the monster, even if he had no real opportunity to know about this prior.
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There is a poll on the WEWS Channel 5 Facebook page asking if Haslam was so quick to pull the trigger on Chud after just one season, do you feel if he should do the same thing to Lombardi over Bess.
I responded that I didn't think it reflected poorly on Lombardi because it was an internal Miami issue that they didn't feel it was necessary to let us in on. (Wrongly I believe)
But what shocked me was how many thought that that Lombardi should be fired over this situation..
People hate Lombardi.
I bet you could get 40-50% on a poll asking whether or not Lombardi should be fired because it snowed.
40-50%? Must not have been snowing that hard... 
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Truth, I mean heavy truth here! I'll never forget one person when DQ won an award - "Who's Dq'well Jackson, did we just sign him?" and that is ONE minor example hahaha.
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Good point,, What was I thinking LOL
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True Ytown...he is hated - few love him. He did nothing really to change or for that matter WIN short term in 2014.
The Bess move reason to fire him...no but it goes on the negative resume. As in why didn't we know to ask...if asked they would have had to tell us.
Wonder if we could submit a complaint to the NFL office for compensation from the Dolphins regardless if they fired Ireland or not...they admitted he dealt without Integrity.
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The trouble with Lombardi, in fact with this entire front office (perhaps by design) is that they have nobody "openly" responsible for anything. they work as a committee. I mean, Banner has said that the buck stops with him, but I think it's safe to say he doesn't do everything.
Maybe by making everything a group decision, no one person can be picked on as the culprit for any particular decision. Except if your the HC I guess..
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Why be shocked....most people think with emotion rather than brains. I brought up the point that Lombardi probably had no way of knowing due to HIPAA, but was ignored. This action was taken by the family. For a fee, the police are used to take the person in to custody and taken to a treatment facility. Taken in to custody is the same as being arrested. Unless the Bess family allows the release of said information there was no way for Lombardi to find out unless he was to perhaps hire a private investigator to do some deep research on the guy. Common means wouldn't show anything. Heck, the league didn't know anything, and it sounds like the Miami owner didn't either. If Ireland couldn't release the information, which he probably couldn't, then he has to be a man of ethics and simply cut Bess rather than fleece another team with dirty goods. Instead, inside a month he trades the guy to another team.
Nope, we don't have egg on our face here. Miami does. All these owners want to win, no doubt, but it is still a country club and you better play by the gentlemans rules.
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I agree w/you that it is Miami who looks bad on this deal. Their saving grace is that they fired Ireland.
It is interesting that this is the same team that had the Incognito/Martin fiasco.
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The Bess move reason to fire him...no but it goes on the negative resume. As in why didn't we know to ask...if asked they would have had to tell us.
Ask what? "Does the guy act in a bizzare manner and has his family had him committed lately?"
I don't think Lombardi is all that great, but fair is fair. No way he could have know this and no way one can hold him to standards far and above anything any normal GM is held.
And NO.....the Phins couldn't say. They aren't at liberty to say the guys family just checked him in for drug treatment and mental health evaluations.
What they should have done is cut him and not trade him.
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I have to disagree. Banner throws around quarters like they are man hole covers.
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Taken in to custody ISN'T is what what I intended to say.
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"Does the guy act in a bizzare manner and has his family had him committed lately?" I remember reading in the Dolphin article about Ireland say they (Browns) didn't ask so no ask no foul.
I would assume that if we asked if there were any underlying medical issues or drug issues around Bess that we should know. He would have had to tell us. Was going by his direct quote about the trade as in they didn't ask so I didn't tell.
Not to the fake quote you gave above...lol 
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It was a quote as in what questions would you ask.
I also don't think it is a logical question to ask another GM if he knows of anything negative about the guy. It seems simple, I just don't think you ask that. Sounds insulting to the other team.....almost sounds like do they know they have drug and mental issues on the team but aren't doingf anything about it.
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I agree with Peen. Plus, if it's confidential info, they wouldn't be allowed to answer anyway.
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Why be shocked....most people think with emotion rather than brains. I brought up the point that Lombardi probably had no way of knowing due to HIPAA, but was ignored. This action was taken by the family. For a fee, the police are used to take the person in to custody and taken to a treatment facility. Taken in to custody is the same as being arrested. Unless the Bess family allows the release of said information there was no way for Lombardi to find out unless he was to perhaps hire a private investigator to do some deep research on the guy. Common means wouldn't show anything. Heck, the league didn't know anything, and it sounds like the Miami owner didn't either. If Ireland couldn't release the information, which he probably couldn't, then he has to be a man of ethics and simply cut Bess rather than fleece another team with dirty goods. Instead, inside a month he trades the guy to another team.
Nope, we don't have egg on our face here. Miami does. All these owners want to win, no doubt, but it is still a country club and you better play by the gentlemans rules.
OK .. so once again ... WHAT CHANGED HERE .... why is this info NOW PUBLIC??? ... u think the family changed there minds and now went public with it?? .. oh wait .. HIPPA WON'T ALLOW THAT unless Bess gave them power of attorney ... maybe the dolphins did .. oooops .... theres that UGLY HIPPA again ...
WTF CHANGED that made this info public???? ... NOTHING ... it was always there ... all that changed was SOMEONE TOOK THE TIME TO DIG IT UP .... my guess is ... ITS RIGHT THERE IN THE POLICE REPORT .....
we have egg all over our faces here .. THERES NO DENYING IT .... someone dug it up .. and who has the motivation to dig real deep for it now??? .. a reporter is the only I can think of .. so the reporter could find it toot sweet yet we couldn't before we made the trade or gave him the extension ...
PLEASE .... your losing all cred here with your BS ... just simply please
EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT CHANGED AND THIS INFO BECAME PUBLIC???? ..
I MEAN COME ON ... how did the convo go ..
Us - we wanna trade for bess ... whats the deal with his arrest back in 10 or 11 ..
Them - no biggie just a one time thing ...
Us - OK Cool ... now that we got that out of the way ....
I still don't get it ...
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It was a quote as in what questions would you ask.
I also don't think it is a logical question to ask another GM if he knows of anything negative about the guy. It seems simple, I just don't think you ask that. Sounds insulting to the other team.....almost sounds like do they know they have drug and mental issues on the team but aren't doingf anything about it.
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I agree .... no doubt ... that's an illogical question .. BUT ... what the hell's the difference .. its irrelevant here .. HIPPA NEGATES IT ...
our mistake was not finding the info SOMEONE ELSE OBVIOULSY DID TO MAKE THIS ALL PUBLIC NOW .....
the info was there 6 months ago .. it was there 2 years ago ... only difference is SOMEONE ELSE DUG IT UP .... so why didn't we??????? ...
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U gotta remember sumptin here .. HE STARTED WITH SOME SUCESS THAT COULD BE ATTRIBUTED DIRECTLY TO HIM ... the pack super bowl win .. he was the coach there .. then he had success at Seattle taking them to the sb as a coach ... the reason I was leary was cause he sucked as a gm ..... these guys ... we have no clue what banners role was with Phili .. was he the 9er version of Policy or was he very involved??? .. fact is .. WE DON'T KNOW so in my book he gets no credit or blame .. Lombardi has been associated with FAILURE EVERY PLACE HES BEEN ..... he was more than likely nuttin more than a gopher but he was no where there was even a hint of success .. SO U HAVE TO REMEMBER THE STARTING POINTS .... Quote:
More clueless than bringing in Seneca and Jake?
I actually had no probs with either of those signings ... I thought Jake was a bum but we HAD NO OTHER REAL GOOD CHOICES ...
just like I didn't like the Campbell signing this year .. but once again I was OK with it cause of the OTHER OPTIONS AVAILABLE ..
AND vers .. u may not want to go here with me .. cause this group in one off season has not exactly stepped up to the plate and hit many homers with there acquisitions so far ..
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More clueless than keeping Mangini for one year and giving him nothing on offense and then firing him the next year?
THIS WAS A NO BRAINER ... if I was mad at the walrus for this one .. it would have been because he didn't FIRE HIM SOON ENOUGH .... two entirely different philosophies on how to win football games ...
but since u went there ... HOW IS THE GENIUSES HEAD COACHING CAREER GONE SINCE HE LEFT HERE .... ZERO INTERVIEWS as far as I know .. NOT ONE INTERVIEW FOR THE GENIUS ...
so how stupid was that move again????????????
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More clueless than trading up for TRich w/a team that had Peterson?
by this time I was all ready bummed we had the walrus ... I was upset at him but thought maybe we still had a shot he was a bum .. this one really tweaked me and I was pretty much done with him when he did this ...
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More clueless than hiring Shurmur?
FIRING CHUD WAS WAY DUMBER .... WTF Vers .. u know hypocritical u sound with this one after bringing up the Jeannie firing ..
the walrus didn't HIRE Jeannie ... the DA's FIRED THEIR OWN HIRE ONE YEAR IN ...
one of those is way more egregious then the other .. AND ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE ...
[QUOTE]More clueless than drafting Weeden?
this is when I knew we were screwed ... and after the trent pick I could have strung him up ....
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More clueless than taking a tackle w/a 4th round grade in the second?
well ya ... I consider the HIRING and then less than 365 days later the FIRING of chud WAY WORSE THAN THIS .. WAY WAY WORSE ....
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More clueless than being out of state for large chunks of the REGULAR season?
yup ...
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More clueless than making an occasional appearance at TC while sitting in a golf cart and smoking cigarettes?
*LOL* .. ya .. that's pretty relevant ...
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More clueless than giving the Seattle media interviews in front of Cleveland's media?
Ya .. that stunted us as a team how?????
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More clueless than instead of writing a letter to the local fans, he tells them that you're either for us or against us........and tells the media to not come to him for playoff tickets?
*LOL* .. you think that letter was more than anything than kissing the ass of a disgruntled fan base??? .. please .... that was as self serving a letter as I've eve seen ... please ... don't go there ...
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I could go on..................but, the new guys have a ways to go before they catch up w/the previous regime.
NOT EVEN CLOSE IN MY EYES ... these guys are IDIOTS for firing Chud ... this is way bigger on so many levels .. THIS TOUCHES EVERY LEVEL OF THIS ORG IN A NEGATIVE WAY ...
sorry vers ... these guys are IDIOTS ...but I will still be fair with them ... see my comments on this POST about THERE BACKROUNDS ... that's about as HONEST AS U CAN BE ......
anyhow bro .... THESE GUYS WILL MAKE OR BREAK THEMSELVES REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE LAST OR ANY OTHER REGIME DID HERE ...
in my eyes .. THESE GUYS WILL STAND ON THERE OWN ... cause what the walrus or anyone else did ... HAS NO BEARING ON WHAT THESE GUYS DO ..
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