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From a Viking's fan site, we have the current (#1 through #15 and #20 draft spots determined). The #16 through #19 draft selections could still change pending tonight's results between Philly & Dallas.

1. Houston Texans - 2-14 (.559 opponents win-loss percentage)
2. St. Louis Rams (via Washington Redskins) - 3-13 (.516)
3. Jacksonville Jaguars - 4-12 (.504)
4. Cleveland Browns - 4-12 (.516)
5. Oakland Raiders - 4-12 (.524)
6. Atlanta Falcons - 4-12 (.553)
7. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - 4-12 (.573)
8. Minnesota Vikings - 5-10-1 (.512)
9. Buffalo Bills - 6-10 (.520)
10. Detroit Lions - 7-9 (.457)
11. Tennessee Titans - 7-9 (.504)
12. New York Giants - 7-9 (.520)
13. St. Louis Rams - 7-9 (.553)
14. Chicago Bears - 8-8 (.465)
15. Pittsburgh Steelers - 8-8 (.469)
16. Baltimore Ravens - 8-8 (.484)
17. New York Jets - 8-8 (.488)
18. Miami Dolphins - 8-8 (.523)
19. Dallas Cowboys - 8-7 (.473)
20. Arizona Cardinals - 10-6 (.529)

Picks 16 through 19 will be determined after tonight's Sunday Night Football game. Arizona is locked into the #20 spot.

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I thought that we were at 6 yesterday, and could not move up even if we lost?


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Hmmm... do the Browns stay put at #4 and pretty much pick what's left between Bridgewater, Bortles, Carr, and Manziel?

I don't see the Rams staying at 2. Someone will pay to get ahead of the Browns and Jags for a QB (Vikings, Bucs, Titans)

I could see Cleveland moving up 2 spots to the Rams and grabbing their guy. Jags are all but assured to take a QB so the Rams dropping 2 spots would still give them the player they are targeting because with Bradford, I doubt it would be a QB.

I think if Cleveland does that Bortles and Bridgewater are the two.

However, maybe Cleveland jumps to #1 and takes their guy slotting Texans at #4 to pick Manziel and put butts in the seats of Reliant

So many scenarios... Can't wait to see the new head coach and what this FO does with these picks.

I'm just going to trust the FO to make the right decisions. I was raging out when Trent was traded and that is looking like one of the best decisions a FO in Cleveland has had in years. They knew it wouldn't sit well with the fans yet took the chance and it's paying off. Chud being given only 1 year is stupid, but there must be a name out there that they want and I don't think they will make the mistake again (e.g. Chip Kelly)

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Browns will pick:

4)
21-32*)
35)
71)
83)
102)
117-128*)
133)
164)
195)

* Colts picks

The last three picks will be pushed down after comp picks. The Browns also have a good shot at getting a late 7th comp pick if not enough are awarded.


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I think we at least trade up to number 2. Dont know what it will take I think they will go as high as our one and number three.


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I don't think the Browns are even remotely thinking of trading up, no matter what the fans think who the team should draft.

I firmly believe that the Browns will stand pat and draft a huge player on defense (Clowney or Barr) or trade back to acquire more selections. If they actually move up, I'll be stunned.

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Browns will pick:

4)
21-32*)
35)
71)
83)
102)
117-128*)
133)
164)
195)

* Colts picks

The last three picks will be pushed down after comp picks. The Browns also have a good shot at getting a late 7th comp pick if not enough are awarded.




We have virtually 6 picks in the top 100 (including the 102 selection). I actually hope that they can trade back and increase that number to as many as 9 or 10 in the top 100 (or 102).

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Browns picking top five in the draft, ya just don't say?

Is there a trophy or reward for consistently being a top-10 first round draft selecting team? You know, give the various staffs, front offices, etc something to be proud about when they step on and off board ...

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Well, since it's the most easily accessible and well-used website for ranking players, I'll list it for resource purposes.

CBS Sports NFL Draft Prospects

Now, taking a look at the Browns selections in the Top 100 (or 102), we have 6 of them.

Browns will pick:

4)
21-32*)
35)
71)
83)
102)

Now, taking a look at the Top 107 players of this draft (listed below), pick the 6 that you want out of them. Pick any 6, that you would want within 5 picks either way of the prospected ranking where the Browns are slotted.

Then, after that, take a look at that same list and imagine picking 9 of those players, but trading back from the #4 spot to say the 15-20 spot (teams on the cusp of the playoffs?) that might want to trade back and who have draft picks the Browns could ask for in trades. This is, of course, using some measure of judgment on your part.

CBS' Top Prosects

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Rank	Player	Pos.	Pos. Rank	School	Class	Ht.	Wt.	Proj. Round
1 Jake Matthews OT 1 Texas A&M Sr 6-5 305 1
2 Jadeveon Clowney DE 1 South Carolina Jr 6-5 274 1
3 Anthony Barr OLB 1 UCLA Sr 6-4 248 1
4 Teddy Bridgewater QB 1 Louisville Jr 6-3 205 1
5 Sammy Watkins WR 1 Clemson Jr 6-1 205 1
6 Cyrus Kouandjio OT 2 Alabama Jr 6-5 310 1
7 Darqueze Dennard CB 1 Michigan State Sr 5-11 197 1
8 Mike Evans WR 2 Texas A&M rSo 6-5 225 1
9 Cameron Erving OT 3 Florida State rJr 6-5 320 1
10 Khalil Mack OLB 2 Buffalo rSr 6-3 248 1
11 Greg Robinson OT 4 Auburn rSo 6-5 320 1
12 Derek Carr QB 2 Fresno State rSr 6-3 218 1
13 C.J. Mosley ILB 1 Alabama Sr 6-2 232 1
14 Cedric Ogbuehi OT 5 Texas A&M rJr 6-5 300 1
15 Taylor Lewan OT 6 Michigan rSr 6-7 315 1
16 Eric Ebron TE 1 North Carolina Jr 6-4 245 1
17 Johnny Manziel QB 3 Texas A&M rSo 5-11 210 1
18 Stephon Tuitt DE 2 Notre Dame Jr 6-6 312 1
19 Ifo Ekpre-Olomu CB 2 Oregon Jr 5-10 185 1
20 Trent Murphy DE 3 Stanford rSr 6-6 261 1
21 Marqise Lee WR 3 Southern California Jr 6-0 195 1
22 Ryan Shazier OLB 3 Ohio State Jr 6-2 230 1
23 David Yankey OG 1 Stanford rJr 6-5 314 1
24 Vic Beasley OLB 4 Clemson rJr 6-2 235 1
25 Louis Nix DT 1 Notre Dame rJr 6-2 345 1
26 Cyril Richardson OG 2 Baylor rSr 6-5 340 1-2
27 Jace Amaro TE 2 Texas Tech Jr 6-5 260 1-2
28 Hasean Clinton-Dix FS 1 Alabama Jr 6-1 208 1-2
29 Justin Gilbert CB 3 Oklahoma State Sr 6-0 200 1-2
30 RaShede Hageman DT 2 Minnesota rSr 6-6 311 1-2
31 Allen Robinson WR 4 Penn State Jr 6-3 210 1-2
32 Travis Swanson C 1 Arkansas rSr 6-4 318 1-2
33 Jason Verrett CB 4 TCU Sr 5-10 176 1-2
34 Odell Beckham Jr. WR 5 LSU Jr 5-11 193 1-2
35 Kony Ealy DE 4 Missouri rJr 6-5 275 1-2
36 Kelvin Benjamin WR 6 Florida State rSo 6-5 235 1-2
37 Blake Bortles QB 4 UCF rJr 6-3 230 1-2
38 Will Sutton DT 3 Arizona State rSr 6-0 305 1-2
39 Jordan Matthews WR 7 Vanderbilt Sr 6-3 205 1-2
40 Austin Seferian-Jenkins TE 3 Washington Jr 6-6 276 1-2
41 Kyle Van Noy OLB 5 Brigham Young rSr 6-3 245 1-2
42 Zack Martin OG 3 Notre Dame rSr 6-4 308 1-2
43 Ka'Deem Carey RB 1 Arizona Jr 5-10 207 2
44 Bradley Roby CB 5 Ohio State rJr 5-11 192 2
45 Trevor Reilly DE 5 Utah rSr 6-5 255 2
46 Brandin Cooks WR 8 Oregon State Jr 5-10 186 2
47 Tre Mason RB 2 Auburn Jr 5-9 205 2
48 Jarvis Landry WR 9 LSU Jr 6-0 195 2
49 Aaron Donald DT 4 Pittsburgh Sr 6-0 285 2
50 Antonio Richardson OT 7 Tennessee Jr 6-6 327 2
51 Xavier Su'a-Filo OG 4 UCLA rJr 6-3 305 2
52 Davante Adams WR 10 Fresno State rSo 6-2 216 2
53 A.J. McCarron QB 5 Alabama rSr 6-3 214 2
54 Bishop Sankey RB 3 Washington Jr 5-10 203 2
55 La'el Collins OT 8 LSU Jr 6-5 315 2
56 Chris Smith DE 6 Arkansas Sr 6-2 268 2
57 Deone Bucannon SS 1 Washington State Sr 6-1 215 2
58 Lache Seastrunk RB 4 Baylor rJr 5-9 210 2
59 Ego Ferguson DT 5 LSU rJr 6-2 309 2
60 Lamarcus Joyner CB 6 Florida State Sr 5-8 190 2
61 Scott Crichton DE 7 Oregon State rJr 6-3 265 2
62 Timmy Jernigan DT 6 Florida State Jr 6-2 298 2
63 Jack Mewhort OT 9 Ohio State rSr 6-6 308 2
64 Michael Sam OLB 6 Missouri rSr 6-2 255 2
65 Kyle Fuller CB 7 Virginia Tech Sr 6-0 194 2
66 Shayne Skov ILB 2 Stanford rSr 6-2 245 2
67 DaQuan Jones DT 7 Penn State Sr 6-3 318 2
68 Carl Bradford OLB 7 Arizona State rJr 6-1 243 2
69 Paul Richardson WR 11 Colorado rJr 6-1 172 2-3
70 Ahmad Dixon SS 2 Baylor Sr 6-0 205 2-3
71 Zach Mettenberger QB 6 LSU rSr 6-5 235 2-3
72 Jackson Jeffcoat DE 8 Texas Sr 6-4 250 2-3
73 Anthony Steen OG 5 Alabama rSr 6-2 310 2-3
74 Charles Sims RB 5 West Virginia rSr 6-0 213 2-3
75 Louchiez Purifoy CB 8 Florida Jr 6-0 190 2-3
76 Kelcy Quarles DT 8 South Carolina Jr 6-3 298 2-3
77 Chris Borland ILB 3 Wisconsin rSr 5-11 246 2-3
78 Jared Abbrederis WR 12 Wisconsin rSr 6-1 190 2-3
79 E.J. Gaines CB 9 Missouri Sr 5-10 195 2-3
80 Kareem Martin DE 9 North Carolina Sr 6-5 265 2-3
81 David Fales QB 7 San Jose State Sr 6-2 220 2-3
82 Dion Bailey FS 2 Southern California rJr 6-0 200 2-3
83 Carlos Hyde RB 6 Ohio State rSr 6-0 235 2-3
84 Christian Jones ILB 4 Florida State Sr 6-3 232 2-3
85 Weston Richburg C 2 Colorado State rSr 6-4 300 2-3
86 Dominique Easley DT 9 Florida Sr 6-2 285 2-3
87 Telvin Smith OLB 8 Florida State Sr 6-2 218 2-3
88 James Hurst OT 10 North Carolina Sr 6-6 305 2-3
89 C.J. Fiedorowicz TE 4 Iowa Sr 6-6 265 2-3
90 Victor Hampton CB 10 South Carolina rJr 5-10 202 2-3
91 Joel Bitonio OT 11 Nevada rSr 6-4 315 2-3
92 Andre Williams RB 7 Boston College Sr 6-0 227 3
93 Demarcus Lawrence DE 10 Boise State rJr 6-3 245 3
94 Brett Smith QB 8 Wyoming Jr 6-2 206 3
95 Brandon Coleman WR 13 Rutgers rJr 6-5 220 3
96 Josh Mauro DE 11 Stanford rSr 6-6 282 3
97 Marcus Roberson CB 11 Florida Jr 6-0 195 3
98 Keith McGill CB 12 Utah rSr 6-2 205 3
99 Donte Moncrief WR 14 Ole Miss Jr 6-2 226 3
100 Jimmy Garoppolo QB 9 Eastern Illinois Sr 6-2 222 3
101 Dee Ford OLB 9 Auburn rSr 6-2 240 3
102 Kasen Williams WR 15 Washington Jr 6-2 212 3
103 Jeremy Hill RB 8 LSU rSo 6-1 235 3
104 Anthony Harris SS 3 Virginia Jr 6-1 190 3
105 Terrence Brooks FS 3 Florida State Sr 5-11 200 3
106 Anthony Johnson DT 10 LSU Jr 6-2 295 3
107 Mike Davis WR 16 Texas Sr 6-2 195 3


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I really dislike the SOS being used first. I think head to head should be the first tie-breaker. Doesn't seem right that Jacksonville is picking ahead of us AND they beat us.


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j/c... best we can get from the Colts is 22. That's if GB beats SF in GB (definite possibility with Rogers and Cobb back in the cold) and Eagles beat Saints in Philly. Saints are a much better home team than road team. Of course, this would require the Chiefs to win in Indy. Either way, loser of the SD/CIN game would pick ahead of our Colts pick.

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I really dislike the SOS being used first. I think head to head should be the first tie-breaker. Doesn't seem right that Jacksonville is picking ahead of us AND they beat us.




I disagree. The SOS is used because those that face 'lesser competition' due to the SOS of their schedule should be considered less good.

It should be a tie-breaker though. That is, if two or more teams are tied with SOS, then if they met head-to-head it should be used as a measure of which team is worse than the others.

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I disagree. The SOS is used because those that face 'lesser competition' due to the SOS of their schedule should be considered less good.

It should be a tie-breaker though. That is, if two or more teams are tied with SOS, then if they met head-to-head it should be used as a measure of which team is worse than the others.




That would make a lot of sense if we didn't equate wins with being better than someone.

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Based on CBS List
4) Bridgewater QB Louisville*
21-32*) Kelvin Benjamin WR FSU
35) Zach Martin G ND
71) Carlos Hyde RB tOSU
83) Joe Bitonio OT Nevada
102) Craig Loston S LSU

*Insert Bortles or Manziel here. Bridgewater will be gone. Would love to go Sammy Watkins at 4 and Manziel at Indy's pick but that is not happening. And for what it's worth I'm not a Manziel fan but we are drafting a QB and Houston would be stupid not to draft Bridgewater.


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NTRU, just a general note.

Remember, for last year's draft, the Browns used the same scouts that previous regimes had used.

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It wasn't until after the draft that the chief scouts were fired.

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So, we'll have to take a look at how these new scouts have performed their duties.

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Good observation. Those were the same guys who brought us TRich and Weeden in the first and Schwartz in the second.

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maybe the scouts knew they were getting screwed and screwed the browns ...


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1a Mike Evans WR -- Tall, fast and better character than Sammy(I am not a fan of short WRs). Perfect redzone target with our tall WR and TE group. Would be great if we could trade down 2-3 picks and pick him up.

1b Cyril Richardson OG This guy is a monster! I know some might not like taking a OG this high but he will be one of the BPA at this point and fills a huge need. IF we missed out on Mike Evans then I want Kelvin Benjamin WR instead.

2a Jimmy Garoppolo QB Yeah, I know some of you think me crazy but I was right about BQ, Weeden, Nick Foley, and a few others so I might be right here too. Don't take my word for it. Watch this kid play. Teddy is the only QB I would take ahead of him bar none and we won't land Teddy unless we sell the farm. He definitely wont last beyond round 2 I don't care what CBS says. Too many teams have been paying close attention to him.


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Very plausible, especially considering Banner hadn't even been hired yet.

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I think the Browns are in a good spot to stay put and find a QB for the future.

Teddy Bridgewater - He will more than likely go #1 overall. Although, I think there is a possibility he could fall some when the scouting combine starts. His build is slight and he plays in a smaller conference. Sometimes players are over scrutinized and it could happen to him.

Blake Bortles - I am really intersested to watch him play tonight. Of all the QB's coming out this year he has a skill set very similar to Andrew Luck. I will be curious to see how he performs mentally in this game. Baylor should score points and put quite a bit of pressure on UCF's offense to keep pace. How will he perform.

Johnny Manziel - He looked very impressive last night. He is undersized and is a polorizing player that could also be over scrutenized. But, he has more of the "it" factor than anyone.

Brett Hundley - My opinion is he needs another year in college to learn how to read defenses. But, he might have the biggest upside of all the QB's. He is big and fast and has a great arm. If he is drafted he will need coached up for a year or so but he does have the talent to be a franchise QB.


So even if the top 4 picks are QB's the Browns should be able to get one. I expect atleast 2 of these players to be off the board when the Browns select. The combine and pro days could chanhe the order of who and when gets selected.

I would also like to see the Browns pick another QB in round 3 or 4. Some pretty decent QB's will fall due to injury like Mettenburger and Murray. The Browns have a smart QB on the team in Brian Hoyer to start and mentor the youngsters. They should cut Weeden and Campbell.

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Very plausible, especially considering Banner hadn't even been hired yet.




um where were you? Banner certainly did last years draft the last time I checked ...


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Very plausible, especially considering Banner hadn't even been hired yet.




um where were you? Banner certainly did last years draft the last time I checked ...




He hadn't been when the scouts were doing their jobs for the Browns and making their evaluations for the upcoming draft.

They weren't fired until after the draft last season. Many criticize the way that the Browns drafted, but it might simply be that the new front office didn't trust the scouts evaluations. It's a legit concern considering that the team has had 4-12 or 5-11 records for year after year.

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Yep, last years draft was on H&H too.



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That's not what I said. It was the same scouts making the evaluations.

You really do have a comprehension problem. I understand now where your political viewpoint comes from.

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Aw come on man. Smile!

Just a joke. And just to give you a heads up, speaking of comprehension, here's another one.

Political talk belongs in Everything Else.



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I only mentioned your political views because it explains your views about what was written about the scouts and how you attempted to turn it into something else.

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We have the picks so it's the year to be bold.
Take Watkins, Bortles or Manziel and package our 2nd pick and anything else to move up and get either Watkins or one of those two QB's depending on who pick 4 was.

Another route would be a trade with NE for Mallet and draft Watkins at four and whoever else me may deem a weapon or help our D out and our 1b pick.

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No doubt there are a lot of interesting options.


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I personally don't think Johnny will be a great Pro. He looks small on the College field, I worry about injuries. If he is the Browns pick I will root like heck that I am wrong.

We are taking a QB and My Big Board would be:

1) Bridgewater
2) Bortles
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We have the picks so it's the year to be bold.

Take Watkins, Bortles or Manziel and package our 2nd pick and anything else to move up and get either Watkins or one of those two QB's depending on who pick 4 was.

Another route would be a trade with NE for Mallet and draft Watkins at four and whoever else me may deem a weapon or help our D out and our 1b pick.




Unlike many others, are you trusting the draft skills of Joe Banner and Michael Lombardi?

Didn't we have 13 picks a few years ago and traded up to get Trent Richardson and selecting Brandon Weeden? I know, a different regime then, but you folks that think we can waste picks trading up boggles my mind.

I don't think Haslam, Banner or Lombardi are planning on trading away anyone to lower the number of selections. If anything, I think they're going to look at trading out of the #4 spot. They may grade players to select there providing for the contingency that they cannot find a trade offer to their liking, but I feel they're looking to acquire, not relinquish selections.

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They better be doing all they can to grab their QB ..... because if they don't it's somewhere between 4 and 7 wins ........ and I think that would be really ugly.


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They better be doing all they can to grab their QB ..... because if they don't it's somewhere between 4 and 7 wins ........ and I think that would be really ugly.




From the 2012 NFL draft, you could have gotten Russell Wilson in the 3rd. How about Nick Foles, again, in the 3rd?

From the 2011 NFL draft, you could have gotten Andy Dalton in the 2nd. How about Colin Kaepernick, one pick later in the 2nd?

Sometimes, you can wait and let your QB fall to you and do just fine.

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Problem with that is those guys are much harder to identify. You are much more likely to get a Frye or McCoy in the 3rd than a Wilson.


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And I am not saying picking the right guy in the 1st is easy. Just Easier.


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Sometimes you can.. but the longer you wait, the riskier it gets.


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They better be doing all they can to grab their QB ..... because if they don't it's somewhere between 4 and 7 wins ........ and I think that would be really ugly.




From the 2012 NFL draft, you could have gotten Russell Wilson in the 3rd. How about Nick Foles, again, in the 3rd?

From the 2011 NFL draft, you could have gotten Andy Dalton in the 2nd. How about Colin Kaepernick, one pick later in the 2nd?

Sometimes, you can wait and let your QB fall to you and do just fine.




I don't dispute that, and if they have a guy who they think can be had in the 3rd who will be a superstar, that's fine .... but they also have to realize that time is running out on their chances. Further, as DC said earlier in this thread, the later you go, the less likely it is that you find a starter quality QB. Besides, the team traded Richardson specifically so they could get their QB.

Further, you just never know when another team may also be on a hidden gem type, and takes him just before you can. Maybe he talks to the other team at some point and tells them that we have been really interested in him, and "Please, for the love of all that's holy, please save me from having to go there!!!!!!!!" (OK, that's a bit of sarcastic overreaction)

Anyway, all I am saying is that the browns have to find their QB this year, because they have to get out of this 4-6 or 7 win rut this year. Given how they basically blamed Chud for all that went wrong this year, they cannot afford to show no, or only limited improvement next year. They need to improve, and to do so, they need to figure out their QB position.


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Case in point - I was really really high and Russell Wilson. But if I was the Browns GM he wouldn't be a Brown. I thought he would go in the 5th and that we could get him with our pick at the top of round 5 maybe move up into the back end of round 4 to secure him. Never in my life would I have thought he would go in the 3rd round.


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Case in point - I was really really high and Russell Wilson. But if I was the Browns GM he wouldn't be a Brown. I thought he would go in the 5th and that we could get him with our pick at the top of round 5 maybe move up into the back end of round 4 to secure him. Never in my life would I have thought he would go in the 3rd round.



Funny thing is this is one case where I would have been right.. I liked Foles.. in fact when we weren't going to get Luck and failed to get RGIII (who I wasn't that high on) I said that Foles in the 3rd was our next best option.. we drafted John Hughes at 87, the Eagles drafted Foles at 88... The big question is, would Foles here have been what Foles in Philly has been? That's the one that can't be answered...


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