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I think you are confusing academic and social intelligence w/football intelligence.
I really don't care if a guy signs autographs in college even though it isn't all that smart to do. I don't care if he is a whiz at calculus. I only care if he can read defenses and coverages.
You get it, now?
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I think you are confusing academic and social intelligence w/football intelligence.
I really don't care if a guy signs autographs in college even though it isn't all that smart to do. I don't care if he is a whiz at calculus. I only care if he can read defenses and coverages.
You get it, now?
No, that's exactly what I was talking about.
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You think those guys have more football intelligence in terms of reading coverages and defenses than Manziel?  Whatever........man.
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You think those guys have more football intelligence in terms of reading coverages and defenses than Manziel?
Whatever........man.
Yep, I've seen all of them play. Manziel looks the better due to experience, but Hogan, Jameis, and Petty are all looking really good compared to Manziel last year.
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2015 is Jameis Winston, Brett Hundley, Marcus Mariota, Bryce Petty, Kevin Hogan, Connor Cook, and a few more stragglers. If I were to make a list for the QBs in the past year it'd look like:
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RG3 & Bridgewater
Brett Hundley, Kevin Hogan, Blake Bortles, Johnny Manziel.
Marcus Mariota, Bryce Petty, Connor Cook and Ryan Tannenhill, EJ Manuel
But Bridgewater is a slam dunk prospect.
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This is a fantastic Article. http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/45952/349/2014s-quarterback-conundrum Quote:
With respect to quarterbacks in the draft, you’ll always hear pundits make observations such as, “this QB has a great deep ball” or “he always folds when he’s under pressure in the pocket.” But how do you know those are true and not bias from a small sample of observed snaps? The simple answer is that you don’t. What I’ve aimed to do this year (and in years past) is to quantify those observations in an effort complement film study and analysis of draft prospects. Instead of guessing about the potency of Manziel’s deep ball, you can pull up the legitimate statistic.
To do that, I’ve hand charted every one of Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr, Johnny Manziel, and Blake Bortles’ attempts this year on everything from pass distance to throws against the blitz. The data here can’t render an opinion for you, but it can provide an effective complement to your knowledge on a prospect.
Where Did They Throw the Ball?
The ‘zones’ in the chart represent where the QB threw the ball on the field, that is exactly the spot the receiver caught the ball. This is to make sure yards after the catch don’t influence our opinion on the QBs.
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- Most notable for Bridgewater is the lack of screens incorporated in the offense. Some have said that Bridgewater throws a high quantity of short passes, however the screens a QB normally utilizes have become short throws so thatBridgewater throws 53% of his passes in the 1-10 yard zones.
- Derek Carr is the complete opposite, throwing 33% of his passes behind the line of scrimmage, but few in the 1-10 yard range. The high number of attempts short mean that he throws the deep ball less than average 11.35% of the time. In addition he throws to the important intermediate zone (11-20 yards) 18.3% of the time which means overall he pushes the ball down the field less than normal.
- Similar to Carr, Bortles doesn’t throw the deep ball as much as average, but makes up for it by hitting intermediate routes more often - throwing from 6-20 yards 40% of the time.
- In an era of screen passes, Manziel threw the deep ball far more than the other QBs he’s compared to here. Manziel targeted his WRs nearly 19% of the time on passes deeper than 20 yards and still went to his intermediate targets 19% of the time.
How Accurate Were They?
This requires a bit of explaining. The chart below represents each QBs accuracy in the individual target zones when adjusting for drops by their receivers. The colors represent how that accuracy compares to the ‘Average QB’, green is better than average, yellow average, red is below-average. Let’s get to it.
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- It’s pretty clear that Bridgewater cleans up in every zone except the deep ball. He’s excellent throwing the short ball where he’s about 6-7% above average for the two zones. Some have criticized Bridgewater’s deep ball, and while not bad - his completion percentage of about 51% is about average.
- Having a big arm is a trait that every scout desires, but that doesn’t matter if it’s not particularly effective. Derek Carr’s accuracy on 20+ yard throws is poor, coming in nearly 7% below-average. In addition, his accuracy on NFL type throws (11-20 yards) is just about as expected at 64%. His only redeeming category is in the 6-10 yard range where he is slightly above average.
- There an interesting dichotomy in Bortles’ throw ability. His 55% completion percentage on deep throws is extremely positive, but he’s only average on the intermediate throws hitting 64% of his total targets. However, he’s above average in the 6-10 range as well, so it’s likely that hitting that intermediate zone is just a matter of getting the touch down.
- For all the criticism Manziel gets, he’s extremely good at hitting his targets downfield. His ‘NFL type’ throws in the 11-20 yard range is the highest in the top 8 QBs in this class at 70.5% and he’s slightly better than Bortles at hitting the 20+ yard throws.
- Before we start getting into the debates about Manziel scrambling around the heaving it up for Mike Evans…his accuracy was similar when throwing solely from the pocket, hitting 67% of his 11-20 yard passes and 59% of his 20+ yard passes
How Do They Do Under Pressure?
I’ve got quite a few stats for these QBs, but for the sake of brevity I’ve picked their completion percentage while being blitzed and under pressure to highlight. For reference, a blitz counts regardless of whether the O-line picks it up, but under pressure is when the QB is moved off his spot or has to get rid of the ball quicker than anticipated.
- Upon first glance it’s pretty clear that Carr is lacking in both categories. His 50% completion percentage when under pressure is the worst among the top 8 QBs in this class and he’s not setting the world ablaze against the blitz either.
- When looking at both categories, Bridgewater is the clear winner. He and Bortles both complete about 63% of their passes when under pressure, but Bridgewater is heads above the other QBs against the blitz – nearly matching his ability when there are no extra rushers.
- Bortles has been noted for his success when under pressure and it shows here, hitting 63% of his passes when the defense is bearing down. He has the second highest completion percentage against the blitz at 69.4%.
- Manziel’s just about average in both categories where he’s just about where you’d expect a top notch college QB to be.
How Did Their Systems Affect Them?
My goal here was to take out the variability of systems they all played in. Thus, how would Derek Carr have performed in an average system? This is imperfect, but it gives you a feel for how the systems helped or harmed them.
What I’ve done is taken out drops and then used the data to create an average system. The result is what their overall completion percentage would have been if they had played in an average system and the difference between the actual and adjusted completion percentages.
- Bridgewater, Bortles and Manziel’s systems had a limited effect on their results from the 2013 season. As you can see in the first section, none of them played in a system that put them in a position to artificially increase their production.
- Derek Carr on the other hand would lose 3.5% off his completion percentage for the season. When you decrease his number of screens which are a high percentage pass and increase the number of below-average deep passes – it shows how much effect the system had on his production.
- Below you can find a target chart for each QB detailed here. The graphic shows the location of each target for the quarterback broken down into individual spots on the field. The bigger the circle, the more passes a QB threw to that spot. The colors signify accuracy, the brighter red – the hotter or more accurate the QB was. The more blue spots represent cold or less accurate areas.
- The charts don’t give you any statistical insight, but are there to give you a feel for how the QB did throwing to certain areas. IE…did Bridgewater do well throwing to his left, outside the numbers or how frequently did Bortles target the middle of the field.
That’s the extent of this post, lest I write a novel going into every stat I have. If you have any questions you can shoot them to me on Twitter @NU_Gap. Thanks for reading.
This article really has be questioning my like of Carr.
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the SJ State game where Fales really outplayed him really started me not liking Carr much.
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He did this last year, too. For some reason the pages are currently inaccessible. Would be interesting to see what his conclusions were based on all that work last year and how it translated.
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the SJ State game where Fales really outplayed him really started me not liking Carr much.
I don't know that it should do that. I would say that it should make your view of Fales improve a bit.
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Good stuff, thanks.
It strengthens my belief that Bridgewater and Bortles are the two QBs to get. THEN, if you feel lucky or missed out on the other two, you MAY consider Manziel...if you feel lucky.
Never cared much for Carr. He's more of an elite developmental QB that is not day one ready. Think Taj Boyd will be the better value on draft day if you want to go that route
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I don't know that it should do that. I would say that it should make your view of Fales improve a bit.
I didn't go deep enough (believe I did after that game), so my fault.
in the SJ-State v. Fresno-State game, Carr's offense was setup to have him either throw screens or to wide-open WRs downfield (who he often missed or they had to adjust a ton to the throw). on the other side, Fales was throwing WRs open on crossing patterns and even a few deep balls.
it really exposed how much Carr was being helped by his offense (to me at least) and it made me pay closer attention to it in his bowl game (saw the same things with him).
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So I believe the question you're asking really is a little more complicated. It then becomes...... When will we suck enough and the perfect QB prospect come into the draft that we will actually be in the position to draft happen all at the same time?
That could be never!
You and I are on the exact same page here Pit... remember 2 years ago when some were waffling on whether the Colts should take Luck or RGIII? People may not remember that became a fairly hot topic as the draft approached... I doubt the Colts ever really waivered by others did.
If we continue to draft in the top 10 and draft well, but never get the QB of our dreams, then we are destined to be a 5-9 win team, which is where teams finish that have talent but no QB... then they recycle coaches and FOs, constantly setting the team back a bit... drafting with 5-9 wins NEVER puts you in a position to draft that ideal QB when he comes into the league... and teams who fall into that #1 spot do not give it up... when is the last time a team traded out of #1 when there was a "can't miss" QB prospect available? The only year I can remember anything remotely close to that happening was when Rivers and Manning came in the same year and Manning refused to play in San Diego...
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Good article. I thought it was going to be stupid at first, but that was very interesting.
Pretty much confirms my opinion that Carr is a wuss and overrated.
Also pretty much confirms that Teddy is the best qb and Manziel is second, especially when you factor in his ability to scramble and his leadership qualities.
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I agree DC. You need the opportunity combined with a quality QB to make a big leap.
I believe the Colts actually tanked that season to a great degree by sticking with Painter at QB. They knew the closest to Manning they could possibly hope to et was Luck.
IF as some suggest we would improve the team without having the answer at QB first, I believe that very well may cause to be a 5-11 or 6-10 team. No QB and very little if any chance to move up to get a QB. Stuck in less than mediocrity, or mediocrity at best for years to come.
I'd bet that one of these QB's will be quite successful even given they aren't "the next Andrew Luck". It's simply that whoever drafts that QB must evaluate it and draft correctly.
I don't have a horse in the race here when it comes to favorites. My instincts say Bridgewater but that's really all I have to go on.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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I don't have a horse in the race here when it comes to favorites. My instincts say Bridgewater but that's really all I have to go on.
I think most people's instincts say Bridgewater but since he is the concensus favorite, I seriously doubt that Houston gives up that opportunity... so the question becomes, do you like one of the others enough to move up a couple spots? If you are equal on the next couple, then maybe you sit at 4 take whichever one falls to you... One way or the other, you have to come out of it with a potential franchise QB...
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I'm starting to think 5-11 is the NBA Equivalent of the 8th Seed.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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I think most people's instincts say Bridgewater but since he is the concensus favorite, I seriously doubt that Houston gives up that opportunity... so the question becomes, do you like one of the others enough to move up a couple spots? If you are equal on the next couple, then maybe you sit at 4 take whichever one falls to you... One way or the other, you have to come out of it with a potential franchise QB...
Oh I certainly agree with you. This offense has to be addressed in a big way. Unless we win just a couple of more games a year which puts us even further down in the draft, decreasing the odds of landing a franchise QB.
My disagreement with a lot of posts I see that indicate you can simply look at the top three or four QB prospects and say "We have to get one of them".
While many of us as fans see them as all having some questions surrounding them, a FO has to see who they want, why they want him, then go and get them. I don't believe it's an "insert name here" type of proposition.
Not saying that this is something you indicated, but it's the impression I gather from some. That being the case, I lean towards moving up to insure you get "your guy".
I believe a plan must be put in motion to assure you get your target. Nothing is more important to any franchise than a franchise QB. Nothing. It's why the premium is so very high.
Of course you must believe there is even "that guy" in a draft. But you simply can't keep kicking that can down the road or settling for "whoever is left". I would have thought this fan base would have figured that out with the Brandon Weeden failure.
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From the standpoint of decreasing your odds of landing a franchise QB, I would have to agree.
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NRTU, just comments about another observation.
The Browns are drafting at #4.
Let's take a look at the players and the positions that they play which could very well be there when the Browns are on the clock.
QB - Bridgewater, Manziel, Bortles (any or all of them could be there).
DE - Clowney
OT - Matthews, Robinson
WR - Watkins, Evans
LB - Barr, Mack
CB - Dennard
I'm not saying that there are any teams that would move up to draft any particular one of these players, but I suspect that teams might move up to get one of them.
If there are any of these players available at the Browns and they are willing to trade out of the spot, which team are you targeting and what are you expecting in return for the trade out?
I know that trading out of the #4 spot and moving down is not a popular discussion topic, but it is the premise of the question. It could be a scenario facing the Browns when they're on the clock.
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DE - Clowney and OT - Matthews are two names that will be in big demand come draft day ..
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Good observation. Those were the same guys who brought us TRich and Weeden in the first and Schwartz in the second. 
I still can't believe they missed on ALL 3 of those picks,as bad as they did.That's unheard of...
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Also Schwartz isn't even a missed pick. He plays good most of the time and some games he just does really poorly.
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I agree. I don't view Schwartz a missed pick.
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So Kelvin Benjamin is leaving for the Pros. http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...-2014-nfl-draftDo we look at WR with our second first? Personally I think #2 WR's grow on trees, and especially in this class where you have Donte Moncrief, L'Damian Washington, Josh Huff, Jared Abbrederis, Tevin Reese, and Alex Neutz are all looking to be 3rd round and down prospects.
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Do we look at WR with our second first?
If that is the BPA when we are the on the clock with that pick, then I think we should.
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Just some notes reading here.
1. We now have the 4th and 26th pick in the draft unless Chargers go to the SB. Then our pick would move up to 25.
2. Manziel improved this year he didn't run...no other QB was the team...yes he had Evans and Matthews but that was pretty much it. If you like what you see from Wilson - Manziel actually does all that n more. We need a kid who can scamper around always looking down field not tucking n run that is what he improved most this year. He has bad habits he'll have to get rid of (throwing off the back foot making something happen is #1) He reads and goes through progressions like no other QB on this list which makes me confident he will transition well into the NFL. BPG showed that his is a very accurate passer and not of the dink n dunk accuracy where we have been fooled before with those stats!
3. After this draft the next great QB will be Conner Cook...I'm pretty sure he's not eligible. This kid is one of those can't miss great ones. I was very impressed with him I'll put him there side by side with LUCK as this next generation of superstar QBs. Again you need to get so lucky to pick overall #1. And as bad as we have been we haven't been able to Suck #1 overall since 2000. But Manziel might be the best QB that will cross our paths since Big Ben in 2004.
Benjamin is very interesting. Not the best hands in the world but he is so freaking tall he needs to build up a little and get tougher. Sammy reminded me so much of Fitzgerald I was hoping we would be able to take Manziel with #26 cause of his size and Sammy at #4 but I think if we want Manziel we got to take him #4.
I hope this is the last POST SEASON we have talking about our Draft instead of US winning n moving on!
Oh thats what I forgot....yeah Schwartz is not a bust. Also the Trent pick is now 2014 #26 its value is the player we get and alive n kicking 
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I disagree a bit on Kelvin. I think his biggest positives is that he's tough and a hard worker. I always see him making a play by diving on an over thrown ball or going over the middle.
I'm not sure I buy into the idea of taking BPA in most cases where there's a dime a dozen players that are all around the same skill (CB, RB, WR, DT). Personally I'd love to see either Christian Jones or Shazier picked up in that spot if we plan on running the 3-4 so we can get a very quick coverage linebacker on our team.
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Kelvin...the little I have seen from him he is pretty light in the butt...NFL will hit him hard withing the rules. Did we agree on his hands? But in games I did see he looked like he could be intimidated (Auburn in particular). No biggy I don't know him just my imperssion of him.
As for BPA...its duel edge sword. Need comes into to play on those close rated guys but then there is another breakdown.
for instance...#1 OG in the draft at 26 or #4 WR in the draft...that might come into play. Its always good to grab the best OF THE CLASS in something and I'm not talking about FB or Kicker which btw both have been picked in the first round by Lombardi as the head Personnel guy regardless of final say or not...  (scary thought)
So at #26 with more need at a position like OG or ILB that might chance we can get the best of the 2014 class at that slot as opposed to the 3rd 4th or 5th....why the strong who pick consistently in that realm have the best OGs TEs ILBs not considered IMPACT guys but the more you have THE BEST IN THE NFL the better.
As noted the keys or prime position only due to RARITY is QB, LT, Edge Pass Rushers and CB...
The last two you can have more than 2 at those then you are way ahead of other teams.
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If Teddy B Is The Man Sell The Farm To Get Him. We Have The Ammo And If We Want Him Go As Hard As Necessary To Make Him Our QB.
Sure We Have Holes But I'm Not Confident This Group Can Use Them Wisely. Teddy Will Be Teddy.
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If Teddy B Is The Man Sell The Farm To Get Him. We Have The Ammo And If We Want Him Go As Hard As Necessary To Make Him Our QB.
Sure We Have Holes But I'm Not Confident This Group Can Use Them Wisely. Teddy Will Be SureTeddy.
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That first round pick was spent on a RB that had 3 carries for 1 yard in the playoff game against New England. His long run was 2 yards, so he carried twice for -1 yard the other two runs.
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What did he have in his previous game? 1 carry for 0 yards and 1 fumble. Nice. But yeah.............our guys are the stooges. 
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What did he have in his previous game? 1 carry for 0 yards and 1 fumble. Nice.
But yeah.............our guys are the stooges.
Blind squirrel and a nut until proven otherwise.
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What did he have in his previous game? 1 carry for 0 yards and 1 fumble. Nice.
But yeah.............our guys are the stooges.
Blind squirrel and a nut until proven otherwise.
None the less, that trade has to become part of the proof.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
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If the blind squirrel is dumb enough to gobble down the nuts in one sitting, it will probably die, though.
Politicians are puppets, y'all. Let's get Geppetto!
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And maybe the squirrel isn't blind at all, but instead, has great foresight that the blind masses can't possibly envision due to their lack of intelligence?
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