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So either McDaniels needs to win immediately or become nice and fluffy so he can con the Browns out of more checks? 
Hey, it got RAC 4 years here and 2 more with the Chiefs.... 
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Josh McDaniels. Why? Because no other team in the NFL will touch him. And no other HC, college or Pro, will consider the HC'ing job in Cleveland. Face it! We are stuck with it.  WE ARE CLEVELAND!
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Maybe it would have been nice if Lombardi would have relayed his wisdom to his current bosses, as far as maybe ...
Firing Chud 16 games into his tenure as the head coach is bad for both parties. It wasn't enough time for the team to be fully developed, or enough time for Chud to grow into the job.
It's amazing how the simple substitution of the coach's name and the number of games the coach coached really says a lot.
I agree with your comments, but I really believe that Lombardi (and perhaps Banner as well) had no say in the firing. It came from the top IMO...
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lol would be great, but im just stirring the pot. I was at the Jacksonville game and you should have heard the crowd erupt when Meyer appeared on the jumbo-screen. he would be a proven winner, and the fans would quickly forget about Chud. and just think Friday we satisfy the Rooney rule. Friday Ohio State will play their bowl game. then Saturday we could interview Meyer and sign him....boom media disaster forgotten about and its all sunshine heading into training camp.
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People getting excited at the idea of McDaniels and/or Manziel is absolutely baffling.
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With the many Head Coaching Jobs across both the NFL and NCAA no other Team/School is interviewing Josh MdDaniels. Zero. What does that tell you?
Very good point. I haven't heard of any other team looking at jm. Wonder why?
I don't hear them beating down the door for Chudzinski either. What's that tell you? Or, for that matter, Norv Turner or Ray Horton.
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People getting excited at the idea of McDaniels and/or Manziel is absolutely baffling.
Has anyone been excited by that?
I could live with Manziel, but we can do so much better than McDaniels. It's why I hope Haslam is taking a bigger role in the search this time around so he can hire a guy who he likes, not settling for someone because he's on a list.
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Bellichek was a terrible head coach at first for pretty much all the same reasons. Bullheaded, arrogant, hard to work with, etc.
I don't get why people say BB was terrible at first.. he took a 3-13 team in disarray and had it to 11-5 in 4 years and was well on his way the next year when we announced the move and the wheels fell off...
It's like people forget that Bill won a playoff game here.
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Very good point. I haven't heard of any other team looking at jm. Wonder why?
I don't hear them beating down the door for Chudzinski either. What's that tell you? Or, for that matter, Norv Turner or Ray Horton.
Not that many job openings, but if Al Golden leaves Miami Chud might be HC there.
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Here's something I've been wondering and am way too lazy to look it up.
Besides Dimitrof (Sp.) in Atlanta who has left the Patriots and went on to be successful elsewhere?
That org.has been picked over for years,and I can't think of anyone that has become successful.
I believe this to be buyer beware.
So far, the only one I can think of is O'brien who went to Penn State and did a pretty good job. Now he's headed for Texas.. So I guess we'll see.
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And that head coach for Alabama...
Weiss is doing a decent job at Kansas, although he isn't the guy ND was hoping for. And he's more of a Parcells guy than anything else. Same with Romeo.
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People getting excited at the idea of McDaniels and/or Manziel is absolutely baffling.
Just twelve months ago people were getting excited at the idea of Banner and Lombardi as FO and in the draft room making picks along with Haslam....I was baffled about that too.
Talk about lowered expectations...
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People getting excited at the idea of McDaniels and/or Manziel is absolutely baffling.
Now wait, I don't believe that McDaniels is the right choice, but he does have the a way with Brady (at least Brady doesn't want him to leave and gave good reasons FWIW)
So we know that Brady is talented and we know that Johnny Football is talented, what happens if we put JM together with JM? oh, did you see what I did there LOL
there are a ton of folks on another thread that are insisting that we take Johnny Football if we can.
So while I"m not sold on either guy (and Johnny Manziel impressed the hell out of me the other day so he's close) who knows what the Odd Couple can do if given more than ONE YEAR?
Just saying, can McDainiels hitch his wagon to a Manziel and ride it for 10+ years kinda like Belichick has done with Brady?
Can it be that simple??
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People getting excited at the idea of McDaniels and/or Manziel is absolutely baffling.
Just twelve months ago people were getting excited at the idea of Banner and Lombardi as FO and in the draft room making picks along with Haslam...
Who the hell was excited about that? 
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Take a look at the Bellicheck tree...
Weiss
Crennel
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Not exactly a picture of success.
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Probably the three biggest failures from the Belichick tree, and if we hire McDaniels, they'll have the common thread of being Browns head coaches.
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Take a look at the Bellicheck tree...
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Schwartz
Not exactly a picture of success.
The more time passes, the more I think BB likes to surround himself with 'yes men'.
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I think McDaniels is extremely bright. I think he is the best choice. I also don't think it will happen. I do love all of the sarcastic, ill-informed posts on this subject, though. However, I will use some quotes from Tom Brady to illustrate my point, rather than some "bozo." That was for tab........and a lot of you who think all reporters are bozos, unless they happen to agree w/you, of course. Quote:
“I have so much respect for him and what he does for me, what he does for our team,” Brady said on WEEI’s Dennis & Callahan on Monday. “He’s just a great coach. He’s got a lot of poise. He’s got a lot of disciple. I hope he doesn’t go anywhere. I’d love for him to coach me the rest of my life. But that’s just the way it is. He’s one of my best friends, and I love having him.”
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“Josh is the best offensive coach I could ever imagine,” Brady said. “He’s so prepared. He’s so confident in what he does. He figures out a way each week to get us in the best position as players to win.”
Read more at: http://nesn.com/2013/12/tom-brady-wants-...ffensive-coach/
I think the guy is very innovative. He understands tempo. He understood tempo LONG before others did. Now, many are doing it. He attacks a defense. He spreads the ball around. They find mismatches and exploit them. They run more plays than just about any team in the league.
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While becoming a head coach again is likely on McDaniels’ list of career goals, his return to New England at the end of the 2011 season was as much about stability as it was rebuilding his reputation, as the NFL Network’s Albert Breer pointed out on Monday. McDaniels has four young children and is one of the highest-paid assistants in the NFL, so he has incentives to stay put rather than jump at a risky opportunity.
Read more at: http://nesn.com/2013/12/tom-brady-wants-...ffensive-coach/
We have a media conference where a local reporter reads quotes from fans and calls our FO The Three Stooges. The local media thinks it's great and are calling them the same name. Our fans are crying "they lied to me." "We want them all fired." We want Haslam to go to jail." This is the same media and fan base that thought his mentor sucked. They hung him in effigy and said he was an idiot who would never win in the NFL.
Nah, that's not risky. 
You know what amazes me the most..............it's how often the local media and the majority of the fan base have been wrong over the years. Belichick sucks. Art will never win a Super Bowl. Timid is going to be a HOFer. Leon is going to be one of the best receivers of all time. Butch is a winner. Savage is a genius. Holmgren is the answer. TRich was a great choice. Weeden will flourish under Norv.
LOL..............and when you are wrong again.........you will get offended if it is pointed out to you.
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i reported earlier about what the NATIONAL media, nfl.com, SI.com, espn, what they think of the potential McDaniels hire.
so its more than local media, buddy.
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What a dork. The front office was NEVER called the 3 stooges by any reporter. The question was "can you assure the fans the team isn't being led by the 3 stooges?" Your ego is beyond anything I've seen in recent years, and your reading comprehension lacks. Apparently your audio skills aren't that great either. 
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We have a media conference where a local reporter reads quotes from fans and calls our FO The Three Stooges.
AFTER this FO fired a coach that was here for less than a year.
But yes, it's the media and fans that would cause JM to worry about stability here.
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From the quote you posted, I'd say they WERE calling the front office the three stooges.
In terms of sentence structure and grammar, no... but come on. You really can't see through that very-thinly veiled attack?
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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From the quote you posted, I'd say they WERE calling the front office the three stooges.
In terms of sentence structure and grammar, no... but come on. You really can't see through that very-thinly veiled attack?
Yep. They chose that question for a reason so they didn't say it, but they said it. That said, I'm glad it was said because we deserve honesty here.
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People getting excited at the idea of McDaniels and/or Manziel is absolutely baffling.
Just twelve months ago people were getting excited at the idea of Banner and Lombardi as FO and in the draft room making picks along with Haslam...
Who the hell was excited about that?
Yeah, that was the exact opposite of what I remember., FEW if any were happy with that move. 
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I'm torn on the use of that question.
Yes, it was pretty unprofessional and ultimately reflects badly on everyone. Do we really need to give everyone else more material that suggests the city and team are a bunch of losers?
But the overall effect on the two guys receiving that question is what I liked. Banner and Haslem should be slammed, repeatedly, for what has been going on. That's the least we should expect them to endure given the apparent criteria everyone in that building is supposed to perform to.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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Josh McDaniels. Why?
Because no other team in the NFL will touch him. And no other HC, college or Pro, will consider the HC'ing job in Cleveland.
Face it! We are stuck with it.
WE ARE CLEVELAND!
There are always good coaches who'd jump at the chance to coach an NFL team. There's only 32 of these jobs in the entire world and it's the reason these guys work 80 hours a week.
Having said that, I couldn't imagine a sadder situation than McDaniels being our HC. Nevermind his reputation of being abrasive. I can't imagine any guy being a true franchise coach if he couldn't see how scatter-armed Tim Tebow was.
It's hard to imagine this turning out well...
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Because no other team in the NFL will touch him. And no other HC, college or Pro, will consider the HC'ing job in Cleveland.
Face it! We are stuck with it.
WE ARE CLEVELAND!
There are always good coaches who'd jump at the chance to coach an NFL team. There's only 32 of these jobs in the entire world and it's the reason these guys work 80 hours a week.
Having said that, I couldn't imagine a sadder situation than McDaniels being our HC. Nevermind his reputation of being abrasive. I can't imagine any guy being a true franchise coach if he couldn't see how scatter-armed Tim Tebow was.
It's hard to imagine this turning out well...
Just look at his record as a HC, if that doesn't tell you he's not a fit, I'm not sure what would.
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What a dork.
The front office was NEVER called the 3 stooges by any reporter.
The question was "can you assure the fans the team isn't being led by the 3 stooges?"
Your ego is beyond anything I've seen in recent years, and your reading comprehension lacks. Apparently your audio skills aren't that great either.
I disagree Arch....the reporter said a viewer posed this question, and the reported relayed the question.
My question is why can't the reporter ask his own questions?
He is a piece of crap and shouldn't be given press passes any longer. That was smack shack stuff. It's one thing to ask questions and another to start throwing low blows, and naturally that plays to the message board mobs who claim the team knee jerked but can't see their knee knocking them in the middle of their fat filled heads.
We just got rid of a coach who won 4 games and lost maybe the last 8 games of the season. Sorry, that doesn't cut it for me. I am glad we fired the guy.....screw the fact the idiot sat in the snow watching games as a kid.....great story no doubt, but it doesn't change the results.
Results is what I want. If the next guy doesn't show solid improvement....fire him. I don't care. Wins is where it's at.
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All of the stats aside, because so many things go into those... McDaniels scares the crap out of me simply because of what happened in Denver... being a HC requires an entirely different skill set than being an OC.. and I'm afraid he doesn't have that skill set.. Belichick does and he rode his coattails.. heck I think I could be the OC coordinator in New England and get them into the top 10 in scoring and get them in the playoffs... Give me Tom Brady and Bill Belichick to monitor everything I do....
The Belichick arm of the Parcell's tree seems to have stopped producing fruit.... have any of the coordinators that have come from it had any success?
Been told he's leaned from Denver ..however if he comes in as another Mumbles, he'll fail quickly.
The BB tree doesn't succeed much because they all try to do things his way, but they need to carve out their own name and style.
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look guys, emotions are flying, and while we all enjoy the name calling go back and forth, we need to look at it with fresh eyes.
honestly, the FO has set the bar. so if McDaniels is indeed gonna be our new HC, which, unfortunately, seems the most likely, than we as fans gotta throw our support at the guy. i personally don't like the guy, but hey, once he's a brown, he'll have my support...for the 1st year at least.
the FO has nobody to blame but themselves. they made their bed, but they at least seem prepared to lay in it.
the easiest way for the FO to have the trust of the fans? win. a winning season, hell, a 7-9 season is a major jump. but thats what needs to happen.
as soon as the Super Bowl is over, the FO is on the clock. they will get evaluated and criticized for their decision of HC, the FA market, trades, and then, the Draft.
i don't have hope, but at the beginning of the season, we all become homers again, the only way for the FO to make sure we STAY homers, is to win.
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Yeah....and Mangini learned from NYJ, Holmgren learned from SEA GM gig, Banner learned from Philly, Lombo learned from talking to league Insiders as journalists and his crappy draft record etc etc etc Here's a novel idea: how about we hire a proven winner and stop hiring losers that "learned" 
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All of the stats aside, because so many things go into those... McDaniels scares the crap out of me simply because of what happened in Denver... being a HC requires an entirely different skill set than being an OC.. and I'm afraid he doesn't have that skill set.. Belichick does and he rode his coattails.. heck I think I could be the OC coordinator in New England and get them into the top 10 in scoring and get them in the playoffs... Give me Tom Brady and Bill Belichick to monitor everything I do....
The Belichick arm of the Parcell's tree seems to have stopped producing fruit.... have any of the coordinators that have come from it had any success?
Been told he's leaned from Denver ..however if he comes in as another Mumbles, he'll fail quickly.
The BB tree doesn't succeed much because they all try to do things his way, but they need to carve out their own name and style.
I agree with that. You don't want to try to become a clone...all good anything learned from various people, but in the end molded their own way.
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Lovie Smith was our chance of doing that  If we somehow, by some act of God or black magic, or a combination of the two - got Bill Cowher... then I would instantly, I mean instantly that very moment of reading whatever source would forget all about Chud and every coach before him. That's a lot of coaches, with all that free'd up space in the brain, who knows I may be able to remember my girlfriend's birthday then
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What a dork.
The front office was NEVER called the 3 stooges by any reporter.
The question was "can you assure the fans the team isn't being led by the 3 stooges?"
Your ego is beyond anything I've seen in recent years, and your reading comprehension lacks. Apparently your audio skills aren't that great either.
I disagree Arch....the reporter said a viewer posed this question, and the reported relayed the question.
My question is why can't the reporter ask his own questions?
He is a piece of crap and shouldn't be given press passes any longer. That was smack shack stuff. It's one thing to ask questions and another to start throwing low blows, and naturally that plays to the message board mobs who claim the team knee jerked but can't see their knee knocking them in the middle of their fat filled heads.
We just got rid of a coach who won 4 games and lost maybe the last 8 games of the season. Sorry, that doesn't cut it for me. I am glad we fired the guy.....screw the fact the idiot sat in the snow watching games as a kid.....great story no doubt, but it doesn't change the results.
Results is what I want. If the next guy doesn't show solid improvement....fire him. I don't care. Wins is where it's at.
Am I wrong? I think not......no, I know not.
It's the NFL. Make what's considered a stupid, panic move, expect to get called on it.
I'm not one to bow down before some money guy. Never have been, never will.
I just hope the 2 stooges (can't really call them 3 stooges as one refuses to show his face) hold the next coach to the same standards as Chud. Period. If they don't, not only are they stooges, they're 2 faced stooges.
Listen: THEY (banner and haslem) have made themselves look stupid. No fan did. No reporter did. They did it themselves. And to make matters worse, the third guy doesn't even make an appearance!
Oh well..........they get this year to make it right. Playoffs or bust. If the 2 stooges and what's his name don't make it......fire the coach, fire the 1 stooge, fire the guy that doesn't show his face.......and get a gm that handles the situation while jimmy stays back with his truck stop business. (crap, wait, he can't even handle his truck stop business.)
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Yeah....and Mangini learned from NYJ, Holmgren learned from SEA GM gig, Banner learned from Philly, Lombo learned from talking to league Insiders as journalists and his crappy draft record etc etc etc
Here's a novel idea: how about we hire a proven winner and stop hiring losers that "learned"
First there is no proven winner out there right now unless U raid the college coaches.
Next I have my own reservations about him, but if he is the guy as I said the only way he succeeds is to be himself but demand the FO back him by getting him the people he needs to win..
In fact any new HC must put them on the spot by telling them that.
U cannot ask a coach to take a team with little talent and make do something they can't then jettison him.
Next we'll see if the two SEC names are actually considered and not jus smoke being blown.
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Truth Is, We Probably Can't Do So Much Better. If So, Who Is It?Be Realistic Please. You Can't Just Throw Names Out There Thinking All We Have To Do Is Make The Offer And This Guy Or That Guy Will Trip All Over Themselves To Come Here.
Another Truth. None Of Us Knows Everything ThAt Went On In Denver. He Got Off To A Decent Start Which Tells Me He CAN Win. We Dont Know The The Relationship Between JM And Elway.
It's An Ehhh Hire For Me But It's Not Up For Election. Can't Say Im Too Upset With Schwartz As Our DC Though.
Im Probably More Concerned With The Draft.
Give Them The Tools andTime AndWill Tell
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Truth Is, We Probably Can't Do So Much Better. If So, Who Is It?Be Realistic Please. You Can't Just Throw Names Out There Thinking All We Have To Do Is Make The Offer And This Guy Or That Guy Will Trip All Over Themselves To Come Here.
Another Truth. None Of Us Knows Everything ThAt Went On In Denver. He Got Off To A Decent Start Which Tells Me He CAN Win. We Dont The The Relationship Between JM And Elway.
It's An Ehhh Hire For Me But It's Not Up For Election. Can't Say Im Too Upset With Schwartz As Our DC Though.
Im Probably More Concerned With The Draft.
Give Them The Tools andTime AndWill Tell
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