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Il would love to know whats going on in Haslams head right now .. 
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JC..
Does that mean they will have to get a guy "to fill the position" until they decide who they want to chase next year?
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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 I have nothing against the guy and he might be a fine head coach some day.. but he scared me to death for some reason... Right now, I like Malzohn or any one of the highly touted coordinators that have been discussed.
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jc Has anyone asked WHY he would do that publicly after an interview for HC where both sides remained silent? Think about that for a minute… I didn't want him, but there's even more egg on the Stooges' faces now…I expect them to do the same as last year with Kelly and pretend THEY made the decision, but we all know who turned down who... To me it means that either Haslam is running this now or that no one really wants job and work with them/their words as the article I posted earlier today suggested….  Read this: http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2014/1/7/5283218/are-the-browns-a-good-job
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Well me thinks Jimmy has some problems and it starts with his pal's ..
Instead of asking who will the Browns hire, maybe the question we should be asking is who in their right mind would take it? ( I hate having to read stuff like that about my Team and Town ) ..
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I didn't want him, but there's even more egg on the Stooges' faces now…I expect them to do the same as last year with Kelly and pretend THEY made the decision, but we all know who turned down who...
Most people knew it last year. When you fly all the way to Arizona and get stood up for a meeting, that says it all. No matter the PR you throw out to try to mask the reality of it.
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That news should have 75% of the board eating crow.
I'll eat my plate full without even salt & pepper.
This is good for two reasons:
1.) He will not be our coach
2.) It means the coaching search will be in earnest rather than hiring a friend just because.
I for one feel better.
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This is good news to me... 
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A few things I think:
1. The job wasn't offered to McDaniels. This is as much him saving face as the organization.
2. I am starting to respect the hell out of Haslam although he has a serious problem on his hands. I think we are really dealing with two stooges here. The non-offer to McDaniels means he is firmly in the drivers seat on this and that Banner and Lombardi have lost some of their voices. This is so good in so many ways. Unfortunately, I don't think he feels he can fire them at this point as the perception and egg on his face will only intensify after the firing of Chud.
3. I'm happy McDaniels did not get the job. I think it would have been a huge epic failure.
4. I think Gase is the top target, and I also think that will be a huge epic failure. But I think that's who Haslam has his eyes set on.
5. I think if Haslam has to minimize the roles of Banner and Lombardi to get his guy, I think he'll end up doing that. I can't wait until both are out of the organization.
6. Only in Believeland can we have so much uncertainty and unsettled business. Ward and Mack are afterthoughts at this point.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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A few things I think:
1. The job wasn't offered to McDaniels. This is as much him saving face as the organization.
2. I am starting to respect the hell out of Haslam although he has a serious problem on his hands. I think we are really dealing with two stooges here. The non-offer to McDaniels means he is firmly in the drivers seat on this and that Banner and Lombardi have lost some of their voices. This is so good in so many ways. Unfortunately, I don't think he feels he can fire them at this point as the perception and egg on his face will only intensify after the firing of Chud.
3. I'm happy McDaniels did not get the job. I think it would have been a huge epic failure.
4. I think Gase is the top target, and I also think that will be a huge epic failure. But I think that's who Haslam has his eyes set on.
5. I think if Haslam has to minimize the roles of Banner and Lombardi to get his guy, I think he'll end up doing that. I can't wait until both are out of the organization.
6. Only in Believeland can we have so much uncertainty and unsettled business. Ward and Mack are afterthoughts at this point.
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All seem like feasible situations.
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J4. I think Gase is the top target, and I also think that will be a huge epic failure. But I think that's who Haslam has his eyes set on.
Do you mean failure in the sense that he'll be a failure as a coach, or that he is Haslam's first choice but there is no way in hell Gase will come to this cluster-farce? Because IMHO, he'll be a good coach somewhere, just not here.
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The only article I read calling this well before today's announcement had said he's out cause he is the heir apparent to BB.
Respect for Haslam...I'll wait till we sign somebody...right now and it changes daily I guess but right now it seems nobody wants to work for this Organization...not the other way around.
We'll see but this is getting a little scary...I've been scared before - oh no nothing good in the long run every happened... 
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Il would love to know whats going on in Haslams head right now ..
Probably something like: "Man, I shouldn't have been so quick to fire Chud. Only scrubs want this job.... NOW what am I going to do!?!?"
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Probably something like: "Man, I shouldn't have been so quick to fire Chud. Only scrubs want this job.... NOW what am I going to do!?!?"
I certainly hope that's not what he's thinking.
I will say it would be hard for me as an applicant to a job, to believe this would be a stable environment going into.
Which would make other choices that I may have seem a bit more attractive from that standpoint.
I would hope that Haslam believes in the decision of firing Chud and in the big picture, it was the best thing. If not, we have even bigger problems than many thought we did.
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I read a couple of articles from different angles. One says that he might have done this cuz he's not their first choice and they are already planning on hiring someone else. Others have said that he just doesn't want to be a head coach in the wrong situation again. I'm worried they are going to go hard after Gase and its going to be a dumpster fire. 35 year old first year offensive coordinator coming to an organization where we want to win now and don't want to wait for a coach to grow. Seems like he would be set up for failure immediately. I'd actually be surprised if he would take the job anyways.
I still feel its a good job tho. Young talent, a lot of picks coming up in this draft and a pick of whoever you want/can get at QB. And I think you can be bold with this team. No way they fire this next guy after a year or two. The backlash would be horrible and then NOBODY would even think of interviewing for this team.
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I still feel its a good job tho. Young talent, a lot of picks coming up in this draft and a pick of whoever you want/can get at QB.
Does anyone really believe that any coach coming here will have a say on the QB that we draft?
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I still feel its a good job tho. Young talent, a lot of picks coming up in this draft and a pick of whoever you want/can get at QB. And I think you can be bold with this team.
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No way they fire this next guy after a year or two. The backlash would be horrible and then NOBODY would even think of interviewing for this team.
The downside to this idea is that even if the next guy sucks terribly and absolutely deserves to be fired, there is likely no way he gets fired after one year - which means that we'll be saddled with more than one year of failure just so this FO can show prospective interviewees in the future that "we'll give you a fair shot, really, we will".
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I still feel its a good job tho. Young talent, a lot of picks coming up in this draft and a pick of whoever you want/can get at QB.
Does anyone really believe that any coach coming here will have a say on the QB that we draft?
Not. One. Bit.
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If this were any (and I mean ANY) other organization then it would be assumed that the FO decided to go another direction and were allowing him to save face by withdrawing (especially with his friendly ties to our FO). However, the Browns just haven't earned that benefit from the doubt.
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I look at it in much the same way Rishuz does.
I think that Jimmy has no problem telling Banner and Lombardi to take a seat and zip it. If a top coach was looking at coming here, and he had the *&^lls to tell these guys "This is what it will take, this is the QB I want." Jimmy would override them if his gut told him to.
I actually believe Haslem has leadership qualities. He may make some bad decisions, but I don't believe he is stupid or intimidated. He has made billions.
The Browns are still reeling from a PR disaster. We are trying to rebound from it with guys like Banner and Lombardi at the helm. Jimmy has done what he could, but if you look at it, there isn't much he can do right now. Getting a top coach and making a splash in the draft are his only real options.
For all we know, Jimmy pulled the plug on McDaniels and Chud. Someguys rebound from adversity. They become more successful after learning from their mistakes. Lets hope that happens.
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BOLD to a fault perhaps? This has been mishandled and hasn't spun well IMO. Somebody has to be desperate for a silver lining, I suspect. Winning forgives almost everything. My disconnect is in"Trust us to get it right this time" and we give them a pass because we must. 1) Can't build a perfect machine from flawed parts, that comes to mind. The worse one keeps running through my head, thread after HC thread "Fool me once; shame on you. Fool me twice (or more), shame on me." 2) I am concerned if we take our sweet, bold time being thorough long enough, that we will choose the best schlock left from the also-rans. If the top candidates get picked off or if they withdraw or decide they just want to stay, then it magnifies our downside. So bold above all else is truly secondary to me. There are no style points for impressing someone "out there." A Chip Kelly type scares me, because the NFL seems able to neuter any innovation on either side of the ball when they get enough film and work on it. The Wildcat is an example. Want bold and daring? Pick a coach that teaches tackling, aggressive defense, covering somebody without hanging onto their jersey, and can score in a red zone twice as often as we do. THAT would be bold IMO. Once upon a time it was Browns Football.
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Except the ones that want to jump on the gravy train and pump out this septic tank.
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Kind of like the effectiveness of our QB competitions. Those paid off. Not sure what we saw there in prac-tice, but it was an exercise in bad judgment. Purp, I have another concern, one beyond yours with which I agree completely. We will land somebody as a coach to head up this parade, probably a brown-noser (pun intended  ), and what will we get after that? If we have worse cap, fewer picks, lower picks, and any candidate has seen what we did to the previous coach or two, I feel anybody seriously qualified will avoid us. Just saying. 
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I do not think, I do not believe, the rest of the country thinks the way you guys think they do! Most everybody out there believes there is a reason why we fired Chud, that is was "unfair" but that is the business -- that is the reality of being a Head Coach in the NFL or even in Div 1 Football. Its part of the deal! That is how the game is played. He gets generational wealth by agreeing to play this game. A PR disaster... YES! But, nothing more. One good hire and a splash in the draft and all this is just January's drama. Lets stop giving the girls in the media more fuel. McDaniels was not "The Guy" I'm celebrating. 
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Forget McDaniels implosion as Head Coach in Denver.
Has anyone explained what happened as the O Coordinator in St. Louis?
Head Coach of the Browns?
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That's good, but who else is on the Paul Brown tree?
Ummm.....everyone?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Brown#Coaching_tree
just a few little known names like Weeb Ewbank, Chuck Knoll, Bill Walsh, and Don Shula (and Blanton Collier obviously).
Shula - Perkins, Parcells, Schottenheimer, Belichick, Cowher, Coughlin, Marvin Lewis
Ewbank - Knox, Ryan Family, Fisher
Walsh - Holmgren, Gruden Family, Reid
Knoll - Fox, Dungy, Lovie Smith, Mike Tomlin
Obviously, many more names are tied in too. Those are who is listed here.
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I actually believe Haslem has leadership qualities. He may make some bad decisions, but I don't believe he is stupid or intimidated. He has made billions.
That's true. He's smart at what he does.
But you simply can't compare Truck Stops to the NFL.
With diesel fuel, the product every truck stop has is pretty much the same. It's the marketing, convenience, location and options you have at Pilot Flying J that makes them popular.
With the NFL, it's more about the product than "the fan experience". The fans want the team to win, everything else is optional. So the NFL isn't a marketing game, it's about the actual quality of the product you're trying to sell.
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Which begs to question. If you're a HC candidate, given Lombardi's track record as a GM, and the fact Chud was an OC, yet given no upgrades to work with and fired in less than a year...... Would you consider this a good opportunity to add to your resume"?
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We all hope that happens. It's just that some of us see very little evidence so far that leans in that direction. Especially when you are one of those involved in creating that adversity in the first place.
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I can see where linking up Walsh with Paul Brown is fair, although Walsh was bitter till the end against him and the type of person he was. Most of you are aware that Brown really stabbed Walsh in the back. They did work closely together for a couple years.
Linking Parcells in the tree, I think that's a reach.
I also think putting Marty in there is a reach.
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Wow. You need high boots to navigate this place.
First, it was how angry everyone was because we were absolutely, positively going to hire McDaniels. It was the old buddy network. It was another bumbling move by The Three Stooges.
Now..........It's what? LOL..........just another excuse to cry?
Here is what I think. It's not too far from what Rish thinks.
I think Lombardi and Chud didn't get along. I think there was a rift there. I now think that Lombardi is going to be moved to the back burner. I don't think they will fire him because he did a lot of work on the QBs and it would be another PR disaster. I do think it is a good thing that he lost power.
I respect his ability to go out and evaluate talent, but he should not be a decision maker.
I think they will either give Farmer more power or bring in another FO guy.
I think Banner will hold power because of his outstanding ability to manage a cap and make tough decisions.
I think that Haslam will bring a winner here and most of you will be saying how you believed in him the entire time.
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I don't see that analogy.
Almost just the opposite.
Jerry fires Landry, Johnson, and Parcells.
Shurmur, Chud and McDaniels? A difference of about 8 Super Bowls.
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Going to take someone with more ego than good sense to take the job. With our coaching history a guy would either have to think he's superman and can do the job or think he's superman and be nuttier than a fruit cake. Either way, I don't see superman applying for the job.
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I was thinking it was more along the lines of Lombardi and Chud didnt get along...and since they sided with Lombardi...that he'll be more involved and make more decisions.
I dont understand why they would fire Chud because he didnt get along with Lombardi, and then put Lombardi into the backseat...It seems to me like he'd be more empowered.
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2. I am starting to respect the hell out of Haslam although he has a serious problem on his hands. I think we are really dealing with two stooges here. The non-offer to McDaniels means he is firmly in the drivers seat on this and that Banner and Lombardi have lost some of their voices. This is so good in so many ways. Unfortunately, I don't think he feels he can fire them at this point as the perception and egg on his face will only intensify after the firing of Chud.
There were reports that Haslam really liked McDaniels.and they spent 7.5 hours in their interview. Then McDaniels. obviously, left without an offer, because an offer could not be made at the time under the rules.
I do suspect that there is an unwritten agreement for McDaniels to take over when Belichick steps down. That would create a giant mess when it comes to the Roooney rule though.
Oh, and let me reiterate ...... I am still very happy that he is not coming here. I don't know how he perceives our organization, but I am quite sure that this has more to do with outside factors than anything here.
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j/c: More egg on the face of all the posters who guaranteed he was coming here. So, what do they do instead of admitting they were wrong once again......they find a new and creative way of bashing the FO for not getting McDaniels ore Kelly.
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Good.
Now get one of the two college coaches we are linked to. Malzahn and Franklin are 1 and 2 on my list.
you had a good run Hank.
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Going to take someone with more ego than good sense to take the job. With our coaching history a guy would either have to think he's superman and can do the job or think he's superman and be nuttier than a fruit cake. Either way, I don't see superman applying for the job.
I wonder if Jack Lengyel is available?
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yes, Paul undoubtedly angered Walsh not giving him the Bengals HC job. It was one of his biggest mistakes.
Parcells is part of the Shula tree. Shula is part of the Paul tree (through Eisele and Brown himself as a player and he always credited Brown with setting up his philosphies).
Marty is also on the Shula tree. Follow that link to see the connections.
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