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What do you guys think about him?
What strengths? Weaknesses does he have?
Offensive Tendencies/Philosopy
With the Steelers? Cardinals?
Is he a motivator? Emotional or Intelligent type?
There is a reason why he's interviewing with us again. Other posters have said that last year Banner was the roadblock to him getting the job. Banner states that no interviewees from last year would be brought back. He's back. hmmm
Does this give credence to those who are starting to think that Haslam is commandering the ship?
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Banner states that no interviewees from last year would be brought back. He's back. hmmm
This is the part I find... interesting. I'm not sure Banner/Jimmy know what they want, or how to get what they want or they flat out underestimated the ability to draw interest from people they really wanted, or whatever...
As for Whisenhunt, eh... it doesn't thrill me much at all. I'd prefer him over McDaniels though which thankfully is no longer an option. Not sure what emotions would come about if they announced he was hired.
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As was pointed out in one of the other threads, Banner's exact answer to the question of last year's interviewees being brought in was something to the effect of, "I don't think so." I know it might be splitting hairs, but he didn't totally rule it out.
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I would really like to see a football guy hire our next head coach. Neither Banner nor Haslem are football guys. They're both really good at what they do but neither of them do football.
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I hope Haslam is at the helm; it would be scary to think otherwise...
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I didn't know that.
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I guess this is a tough question.
Many of us don't know anything beyond the surface stuff on most of these guys.
I'll do some research.
I guess the best resource would be guys like steelhack.
Facts or opinions. Either works.
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I would really like to see a football guy hire our next head coach. Neither Banner nor Haslem are football guys. They're both really good at what they do but neither of them do football.
Didn't we already know that a year ago? I was astonished how fans turned from "horror scenario" when there were rumblings of a Banner/Lombo-lead FO to "oh well, ok, maybe they 'learned' something". Like with Mangini in NY or Holmgren as GM in SEA….they still are what they are. They sucked at the job before and more than likely will continue that path. Of course, there's always the Bellichick-wonder one can believe in….
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IIRC, Wisenhunt is the guy they wanted but they couldn't agree on who had final say over the roster.
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I'd be surprised if Whisenhunt leaves Detroit without a contract.
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"Instead, Whisenhunt installed free agent pickup Derek Anderson as the starter, made rookie Max Hall the backup, and released Leinart. The Cardinals finished 5-11 and last in the division. In 2011"
Not sure what to say about this.
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"Instead, Whisenhunt installed free agent pickup Derek Anderson as the starter, made rookie Max Hall the backup, and released Leinart. The Cardinals finished 5-11 and last in the division. In 2011"
Not sure what to say about this.
They had 3 garbage QB's and he started the best one?
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all I know is that in 2005 (pretty sure all the regime changes have muddled together in this old brain) Wisenhunt and Russ Grimm (I think) were the two hot items of their time especially Wisenhunt. He of course went with the Cards. I believe he is offense related and not married to a specific Defense. In Arizona he ran both 4-3 n 3-4 as well as a hybrid.
Would Horton stay on? He does have one of the best paid DC contracts out there. If he doesn't get an HC job as long as he had a good relationship with Wisenhunt possibly we move on with continuity at least on the D side? If no Horton possibly one of the young good minds who were assts. here under Horton would take over.
He would not be an experiment and has had some success in his history...SB vs Steelers? also could be a favorite of Haslamf????
I just need some assembly of direction to get back on board...I'm sure its the same with the players. Right now we got no leadership nor direction and that is not a good environment to have....sooner the better. Wisenhunt we can assume will only be better with experience of his first stint.
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That's about it. Whomever did the grocery shopping there didn't do a very good job of restocking the cupboard after Kurt Warner retired.
That same guy also let the Fitzgerald/Boldin/Breaston trio break up
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It looks to me like the highlight of his coaching career is that he took the Cardinals, who limped into the playoffs, on a hot streak all the way to the Super Bowl and could have easily won it if not for some questionable officiating and a catch by Holmes that defied physics.
Other than that, some solid playcalling for the Steelers, and quite a few negatives.
Seems like an off the charts performance by a franchise quarterback is responsible for his only real success.
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My brother is a huge Cardinals fan and I have the NFL Sunday Ticket package. He used to come over every Sunday and watch Cardinals games.
I think Whisenhunt is a good coach who got fired because he never found a QB after Kurt Warner left.
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He can run a successful offense if he has a QB. He stinks and challenges and had a tendency to get pass happy (although he had many crappy running backs).
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When he had Warner, Fitzgerald, and Boldin he passed a ton.
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Great Coordinator, average HC. I don't think he's the right guy.
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He got the Cardinals to the Super Bowl. I forgot to say that.
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Banner states that no interviewees from last year would be brought back. He's back. hmmm
They said that before finding themselves in the same position as last year, without a plan and scrounging for anyone willing to take the job.....
He'll probably take the Detroit job, leaving Banner to hire some inexperienced coordinator like last year.
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We just need Chud to switch agents so that we can bring him back 
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He got the Cardinals to the Super Bowl. I forgot to say that.
Thanks for pointing that out, I did forget about that.. My bad.. But his overall record isn't all that impressive.
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I wouldn't think that Horton would stay on. I mean all of the major investments were on D. so he had what this FO would consider all of the talent they could gather.
Then, with a couple of injuries, they looked as lost as the O in the last half of the season.
If anything we were told about the release of Chud is true... ala... didn't see improvement as the season wore on?
Either that was a crock of BS or they must see the same thing in Horton they saw in Cud.
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There is one guy I'm kinda curious about, What about Brad Seeley?
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I think Whisenhunt is a good coach who got fired because he never found a QB after Kurt Warner left.
If he's been fired because the FO couldn't find him a decent QB then he should fit right in here and he's already experienced in how the Browns operate. 
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He had a strong run game, but failed to develop any QB in his time in Arizona. Without Warner, his teams fell apart.
The Cardinals never finished better than 24th in rushing yards during Whisenhunt's time there. They had no run game which made them rely upon their crappy QBs. Not a good combination.
When Warner got to the Cardinals he was not good. He had three consecutive seasons of being pretty bad (two with the Rams, one with the Giants). It was not until his third season (also Whisenhunt's first season) with the Cardinals that he started thriving again.
I view Whisenhunt as a coach who made some mistakes with the Cardinals (backing Kevin Kolb being the most egregious) but he was pretty good overall. He finished above or at five-hundred four out of six years (he had two 5-11 seasons). He has also worked successfully with Ray Horton meaning we would not have to overhaul both sides of the ball.
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I view Whisenhunt as a coach who made some mistakes with the Cardinals (backing Kevin Kolb being the most egregious)
And to be fair, that's a mistake a lot of people made.. or tried to make... and let's be honest about Kolb... in his second year in Arizona he started off the season with 4 consecutive wins, then a loss, then he got hurt and never played again. In the 6 games he started, they were 4-2, he completed 60% of his passes, had 8 TDs and 3 INTs.. I mean it's not like he was Jamarcus Russel bad or anything...
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I'm all for the Whis' based on experience in the pros alone (SB, playoffs, etc..). I wouldn't be blown away by him or any other name thrown out in our search or anyone else's.
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I think where people say it was an egregious mistake is that they took Kolb (a WCO-type guy) and put him in an offense that featured throwing bombs to Fitz. Square peg, round hole situation (equal but opposite to Weeden's first year here).
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I would not get to excited. Whisenhunt's agent is Sexton. I'm thinking this gives Ken a little help working a contract in Detroit. Ken had nothing after his interview in Detroit. This at least gives him a card to play in negotiations.
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I'm all for the Whis' based on experience in the pros alone. I wouldn't be blown away
by him or any other name thrown out in our search or anyone else's.
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Makes for a lousy puppet for Banner. Where is the fun if you can't pull the strings? If he wants lead on this, Banner better succeed. Hasn't yet, and seems VERY busy explaining crap while throwing up a fog bank. What we need is a solid coach. Non-football guys need to state what is crucial versus these nebulous likes and wants. Seems like a fresh and unproven flavor of the day name might land here for a while. But the must list ought to be short, and fundamental. Glad it is not McDanny. 
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so he had what this FO would consider all of the talent they could gather. Then, with a couple of injuries, they looked as lost as the O in the last half of the season. Well obviously he didn't have the talent...I thought we put out a good 11 except for Robertson as our weak link...but the depth from there on for LBs n DBs was limited to Groves n Owens both going on the IR the rest were UDFA or 6th 7th round retreads who were waived.
Why we did bad in 3rd down pct. among other areas....DL had excellent depth also OLB I thought did. but all the material for Nickel n Dime packages...were terrible n/or inexperienced.
I'd love to keep some continuity. Would he stay? well if he doesn't get a HC job I don't see why not...if he turns the D into a power house year 2...he should be a front runner for a HC job next season...who knows maybe OURS 
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so he had what this FO would consider all of the talent they could gather. Then, with a couple of injuries, they looked as lost as the O in the last half of the season.
Well obviously he didn't have the talent...I thought we put out a good 11 except for Robertson as our weak link...but the depth from there on for LBs n DBs was limited to Groves n Owens both going on the IR the rest were UDFA or 6th 7th round retreads who were waived.
Why we did bad in 3rd down pct. among other areas....DL had excellent depth also OLB I thought did. but all the material for Nickel n Dime packages...were terrible n/or inexperienced.
I'd love to keep some continuity. Would he stay? well if he doesn't get a HC job I don't see why not...if he turns the D into a power house year 2...he should be a front runner for a HC job next season...who knows maybe OURS
My reasoning actually followed the part you posted.
What the bottom line is..... Was that if this FO felt the deciding factor for firing a HC was based on continued improvement, why would they see Horton in a more favorable light than they saw Chud? They did give Horton both of their highest FA signings and a 1st round draft pick, yet no major investment on O for Chud.
I don't believe any of our coaching hires in respect to OC, DC, or HC was given the chance to succeed. I believe they should have all been retained. I'm just saying the reasoning behind why they told us they fired Chud, would be the exact same reason they wouldn't keep Horton.
I mean if they were being honest about it. But I'll let everyone draw their own conclusions about the honesty part.
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I'm just saying the reasoning behind why they told us they fired Chud, would be the exact same reason they wouldn't keep Horton.
I don't think that there is any doubt that Chud is gone because of differences with Lombardi and the performance as the season went on thing is a convenient line to feed.
There is no doubt that they were not given a proper chance. You simply cannot gut rosters year after year, changes coaches and schemes year after year, and expect a turn-around.
We had some talent, but utterly terrible depth everywhere except the DLine. That's not a recipe for getting better as the season wears on.
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I'm just saying the reasoning behind why they told us they fired Chud, would be the exact same reason they wouldn't keep Horton.
I don't think that there is any doubt that Chud is gone because of differences with Lombardi and the performance as the season went on thing is a convenient line to feed.
There is no doubt that they were not given a proper chanc. You simply cannot gut rosters year after year, changes coaches and schemes year after year, and expect a turn-around.
We had some talent, but utterly terrible depth everywhere except the DLine. That's not a recipe for getting better as the season wears on.
True, but it isn't a reason to get worse either.
I also don't think the friction was between Chud and Lombardi. I really don't think Lonbardi has all that much sway in things. He is the top scout for lack of a better term. Banner and haslam call the shots....70% Haslam. I think he just got ticked at watching a lackluster team week after week.....and I don't blame him.
I think both Banner and Lombardi know that this owner isn't going to be pleased long if they don't start winning. The next to go are one or both of Lombardi and Banner. Now we will find out if Haslam is simply trigger happy or has some sense of what he is doing.
I like it. Maybe because I am older, but at this point I would rather have a owner who pulls the trigger a little early rather than a little late. We've lived through the late stuff with Randy.
Even if you don't make the playoffs, at least win 7-8-9 games. At least at that point you have some hope for the next season.
That said, and back on point....I think we were good enough to win 6-7 games this year, and didn't. That is the reason Chud was dismissed.
Now we head in to year two. Face it, the coach is the first to fall in most cases. We have just done that. If another axe needs to be used, it won't be on the HC. At least alone. More necks are on the line this time.
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I think Whis is the best NFL guy on the market.
Took the Cards to the Super Bowl and then was undone by terrible QBs mixed with a bad OL...terrible combo (sounds familiar).
Also we could keep Horton. Im in on this guy.
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I'd be OK with it if the Browns signed him. Frankly I don't see a lot of realistic better alternatives.I'm a proponent of experienced coaches and maybe this hire would lend itself to some continuity in Horton. The Browns should get on with it. The time would be better spent finding and retaining good players.The root cause of the failure of this franchise is the in ability to find good players.
Good QB Warner= Good coach Whisenhunt
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It's a low bar but at least we know he can do it if he's got the ammo. Hire him already.
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I'm just saying the reasoning behind why they told us they fired Chud, would be the exact same reason they wouldn't keep Horton.
I don't think that there is any doubt that Chud is gone because of differences with Lombardi and the performance as the season went on thing is a convenient line to feed.
There is no doubt that they were not given a proper chance. You simply cannot gut rosters year after year, changes coaches and schemes year after year, and expect a turn-around.
We had some talent, but utterly terrible depth everywhere except the DLine. That's not a recipe for getting better as the season wears on.
True, but it isn't a reason to get worse either.
Injuries with crap for depth is a reason to get worse.
The Defense regularly getting exposed in the same way over and over without us having the personnel to correct it is.
Beyond all of that, it felt like - to me - that somewhere in that building there was a concerted effort to lose beginning with the 2nd Bengals game. We were in position to make a run and the guys were playing well... and suddenly we couldn't do anything? Nah, that doesn't make sense. Whether it was the coordinators or what, I don't know, but something doesn't add up and it started around the time of the reported spat with Lombardi.
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FWIIW, I had the same feeling, mostly on the offense. Then the D gave a few away, and kept getting gouged same places and same way, no adjustment? Ever? Just have a bad feeling. Wish I was feeling good as the FO. "Have a banner day" takes on whole new meaning in Berea.  
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Agreed. Zimmer is the man but is too outspoken for our two FO tyrants.
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