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Seeing the title of this thread, I always think using the word "deuce" to describe any process on this team is surprisingly accurate. 
Shouldn't it be Daux? LOL
If you're referring to the French #2 it is "deux", but I think his comment refers more to the phrase 'I gotta go drop a duece.", in reference to the product this organization has put on the field. 
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Whisenhunt is their offensive coordinator.
Oops!
My bad.
No idea why I thought he was the D coach.
How embarrassing. 
Well that means for sure I do not want the Chargers D coordinator> HA! 
Only gave up 24 points against the best offense of all time when the Chargers could not put a drive together to save their life.
Also, the Chargers gave up 72 points to the Broncos in 3 combined match ups. On the other hand, the Broncos scored 40-49 points on a single opponent 3 times this year and 50+ points 3 times.
The Chargers defense was the least of their problems.
True.
But when all the Chargers needed was a stop at 3rd and 17.
And gave it up.
It looked awfully familiar.
I know they had two new safeties due to injuries.
And the linebacker was just not thinking quick enough to get to the spot in coverage.
But twice to the same side of the field in a make or break situation.
Reminded me too much of when the Browns need to make a play on D.
I was not pointing it out , for or against any certain coaching candidate.
Just an obsvervation of the situational football. And not making the needed play.
Einstein could not even fathom the mathematical improbabilities of the Browns woes.
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j/c and totally off topic...
Seeing the title of this thread, I always think using the word "deuce" to describe any process on this team is surprisingly accurate.
Shouldn't it be Daux? LOL
If you're referring to the French #2 it is "deux", but I think his comment refers more to the phrase 'I gotta go drop a duece.", in reference to the product this organization has put on the field.
I was thinking like Homer Simpson. DOH!
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Whisenhunt is their offensive coordinator.
Oops!
My bad.
No idea why I thought he was the D coach.
How embarrassing.
Well that means for sure I do not want the Chargers D coordinator> HA!
Only gave up 24 points against the best offense of all time when the Chargers could not put a drive together to save their life.
Also, the Chargers gave up 72 points to the Broncos in 3 combined match ups. On the other hand, the Broncos scored 40-49 points on a single opponent 3 times this year and 50+ points 3 times.
The Chargers defense was the least of their problems.
True.
But when all the Chargers needed was a stop at 3rd and 17.
And gave it up.
It looked awfully familiar.
I know they had two new safeties due to injuries.
And the linebacker was just not thinking quick enough to get to the spot in coverage.
But twice to the same side of the field in a make or break situation.
Reminded me too much of when the Browns need to make a play on D.
I was not pointing it out , for or against any certain coaching candidate.
Just an obsvervation of the situational football. And not making the needed play.
I just thought it was a little bit of an over generalization of the defense to say "Well that means for sure I do not want the Chargers D coordinator" when in fact they had actually played a pretty good game/season.
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Only gave up 24 points against the best offense of all time when the Chargers could not put a drive together to save their life.
Also, the Chargers gave up 72 points to the Broncos in 3 combined match ups. On the other hand, the Broncos scored 40-49 points on a single opponent 3 times this year and 50+ points 3 times.
The Chargers defense was the least of their problems.
I would also like to note that their DC was actually preparing for the game the entire week. He did not take time out of the 3 days leading up to the game to interview for HC jobs with different teams.
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eh...dunno if that would be a good thing or not.
Have we fallen so far that a coach who took over for Jeff Fisher, who could rarely break .500 (yet was highly sought after anyway) and who 3 seasons in couldn;t break .500?
Munchak wanted to draft Locker in the 1st when the Titans did. Bleh. Maybe we can "solve" both spots and hire Munchak and sign Locker when the Titans (reportedly soon) cut him.
Man ... Munchak, Whisenhunt, and God only knows how many other failed head coaches ....... makes me want to slice my own throat. Wisenhunt wasn't treated fairly because he couldn't replace Kurt Warner? Really? Give me Kurt Warner still close to his prime, and I might be able to get to the Super Bowl. I bet that most coaches could. We need a coach who can develop a young QB. That's why my top 2 choices were Chud and Arians. Arians helped develop Roethlisberger and Luck. Chud helped develop Newton, and actually tailored his offense to fit Newton's strengths. That's what we need. We do NOT need a guy so stuck in a specific formula that he tries to smash round pegs into square holes. I do agree with the lip service paid by Banner and Haslam that we should hire an innovative coach. I just don't know if they are really committed to that ideal.When I see some of the retreads they are considering, frankly I have my doubts.
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eh...dunno if that would be a good thing or not.
I'm going with NOT....Oh dear lord is this all we get to choice from....Whisenhunt, Munchak....this is nuts, I'd rather have a Kingsberry or the Auburn guy, ....this is embarresing, firing Chud on a knee jerk reaction only to find whats out there isnt any better, I DONT WANT A RETREAD HEAD COACH,( Unless it's John Gruden) I would like to see a new face somebody with high energy, football smarts, offensive minded, somebody that will bring something new to the game, I really do like Kingsberry and would love to see him get the job, I know thats not gonna happen but I like what he brings..
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A few other guys that I would consider if we are actually leaving no stone unturned:
Gary Patterson - Head Coach, TCU
Kirk Ferentz - Head Coach, Iowa
Pat Fitzgerald - Head Coach, Northwestern
Jack Del Rio - Defensive Coordinator, Denver Broncos
Greg Roman - Offensive Coordinator, San Francisco 49ers
Pete Carmichael Jr. - Offensive Coordinator, New Orleans Saints
I really agree with Ferentz, Del Rio and Roman. I would also add these guys if we are leaving no stone unturned:
Vic Fangio -Defensive Coordinator, San Francisco 49ers
Jim Mora- Head Coach, UCLA
Hue Jackson- Offensive Coordinator, Cincinnati Bengals
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I thought about Fangio but 55 seems to be a little old to be a first time head coach. Mora is entrenched at UCLA turning down offers to interview from both Texas and Washington (his alma mater). Hue Jackson is a legit crazy person that I would not touch under any circumstance.
On Munchak, I think he is o.k. and that is it. Of the candidates we know have interviewed I would probably go with this order for my preference:
1. McDaniels (who is allegedly no longer an option)
2. Whisenhunt
3. Quinn
4. Munchak
5. Bowles
6. McAdoo
I think if we can interview Malzahn he would be my number one guy. I know next to nothing about Adam Gase.
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Don't be shocked if it's Munchak. I've heard he's a great interviewer and players love him.
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Man ... Munchak, Whisenhunt, and God only knows how many other failed head coaches
You know, I was thinking the same thing about Whisenhut but someone on here pointed out something to me that I had totally forgotten. He coached a team to the Superbowl only to get beat by the team he left to become a HC.
He had a pretty good record when he had Kurt Warner as a QB. Fell to dust when they could not find a suitable replacement.
So, if he goes to Detroit, he should do well with a strong D, Stafford at QB and Megatron at WR.
If he comes here, he could do well if we pick the right QB and RB and one more WR.
And of course, keep the stars that are in danger of moving on. (Mack, Ward etc)
So I wouldn't be so quick to throw him into the garbage just yet....
He may actually have a chance to succeed here.
Munchak, McDaniels, yeah, I tend to agree with you on them.
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Someone mentioned that one of the good things about Whisenhunt is that he'd most likely bring Russ Grimm along with him as an assistant. Wasn't Grimm a pretty hot candidate for HC around the league back when we hired Crennel? I think I recall him being mentioned prominently for the Steelers job when Cowher retired. I wonder if he'd be a good guy to interview.
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Grimm and Whisenhunt were both the favorites for the Steelers job before Tomlin blew them away during his interview. Whisenhunt then got hired by Arizona and brought Grimm along with him. For whatever reason I do not think Grimm is viewed as a head coaching candidate anymore.
(Side note: Ray Horton was the heir apparent to Dick LeBeau before he went to Arizona. As others have mentioned, if we hire Whisenhunt there is a good chance he sticks around).
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He had a pretty good record when he had Kurt Warner as a QB. Fell to dust when they could not find a suitable replacement.
The guy went 8-8 with Kevin Kolb and John Skelton splitting starts... Skelton actually went 6-2 to finish the season... We should be lucky enough to fall to dust like that. 
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Give me Kurt Warner still close to his prime, and I might be able to get to the Super Bowl. I bet that most coaches could.
interesting. if you could, then you would be better than all the coaches who had Kurt Warner between the 2001 and 2008 seasons.
That would be Martz (2 seasons in StL), Coughlin (1 season in NYG), and Dennis Green (2 seasons in Arizona). It wasn't until Whisenhunt took over in Arizona that he was able to take them from consecutive 5-11 seasons (Green) to 8-8, 9-7 (SB appearance!), 10-6....then w/o Kurt (or really ANY QB), 5-11, 8-8, 5-11
I'm not nearly as high on Whisenhunt as many around here, but that was not the proper card to play. Getting to the Superbowl and coming within 1 play of winning is a very good achievement.
he also have Rivers playing as well as he had in years. you know, until he decided to interview for other jobs the 3 days leading up to their playoff game against the Broncos.
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Man ... Munchak, Whisenhunt, and God only knows how many other failed head coaches
You know, I was thinking the same thing about Whisenhut but someone on here pointed out something to me that I had totally forgotten. He coached a team to the Superbowl only to get beat by the team he left to become a HC.
He had a pretty good record when he had Kurt Warner as a QB. Fell to dust when they could not find a suitable replacement.
So, if he goes to Detroit, he should do well with a strong D, Stafford at QB and Megatron at WR.
If he comes here, he could do well if we pick the right QB and RB and one more WR.
And of course, keep the stars that are in danger of moving on. (Mack, Ward etc)
So I wouldn't be so quick to throw him into the garbage just yet....
He may actually have a chance to succeed here.
Munchak, McDaniels, yeah, I tend to agree with you on them.
He went to the Super Bowl when he had one of the all time great QBs. Yep, that's a hard thing for a coach to do ......
He tried to develop another starting QB, and he failed to do so. In fact, not only did he not develop a Super Bowl quality starter, he failed to even develop an average quality starting QB. He wanted Kevin Kolb. They he tried to stuff Kolb into an offense he didn't necessarily fit. Kolb never developed. He also might have missed on Brian Hoyer.
Look at what Arians did in Arizona this year. He pulled Carson palmer off the scrap heap, and turned him into a modest starting QB. The Cardinals still managed to win 10 games this year, and that is in the same division as the Niners and the Seahawks. Heck, even the Rams finished at 7-9 this year.
The Cardinals were 5-11 last year. Arians made a huge impact on that team and doubled their win total this year. That is incredible. It also shows how poor a job Wisenhunt did IMHO. . The Cardinals didn't go draft a QB. They pulled a guy off the scrap heap. Their 1st round pick got hurt early on and missed the year. Their big weapon player, the Honey Badger, got hurt and missed significant time. They probably got their biggest contribution from this draft class from their second 6th rounder, the RB Ellington.
He turned this team around and made them believe in themselves. That was missing in Arizona the past few years.
I just look at the Cardinals under Wisenhunt, and "all" it would take for them to be just a good team again was a Super Bowl quality QB. Ridiculous. Arians proved just how much talent that team has, and he did so with a bum QB who he somehow managed to make just good enough to win 10 games in the toughest division in football.
I look at Wisenhunt as a guy who is a solid enough coordinator, but not a guy I want making big picture decisions for my team. I don't think that he has the leadership abilities necessary for the position. I pass, and do so quickly. I would rather take a guy I know nothing about than to hire a guy I know does not possess what I consider to be important characteristics for a successful head coach to have.
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He went to the Super Bowl when he had one of the all time great QBs. Yep, that's a hard thing for a coach to do ......
He tried to develop another starting QB, and he failed to do so. In fact, not only did he not develop a Super Bowl quality starter, he failed to even develop an average quality starting QB. He wanted Kevin Kolb. They he tried to stuff Kolb into an offense he didn't necessarily fit. Kolb never developed. He also might have missed on Brian Hoyer.
Look at what Arians did in Arizona this year. He pulled Carson palmer off the scrap heap, and turned him into a modest starting QB. The Cardinals still managed to win 10 games this year, and that is in the same division as the Niners and the Seahawks. Heck, even the Rams finished at 7-9 this year.
first, yes, it is a hard thing to do. it wasn't exactly the Kurt Warner from earlier in the decade he took to the superbowl. it was a guy who was tossed around the league and discarded for Marc Bulger, Eli Manning, and, then, Matt Leinart (attempted at least).
Kolb's main issue was that he could not stay healthy. Yes, that is an important part of being QB. But, since you are comparing what Carson Palmer did with Arians and what Kolb did under Whisenhunt, let's compare:
Kolb 14 games started (over 3 seasons)
58.5% 17TDs 11INTs 7.2YPA 208yds/game 83.2QBrating
Palmer 16 games started
63.3% 24TDs 22INTs 7.5YPA 267yds/game 83.9QBrating
So, Palmer threw for more yards per game, more TDs, but also threw a ton more INTs. Also, it is hard to give Arians too much credit for the Palmer resurrection, when Carson was actually a better QB in 2012 than he was in 2013. He just had a better defense in 2013, so he was able to get more W's (which obviously makes him a better QB???).
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Arians proved just how much talent that team has, and he did so with a bum QB who he somehow managed to make just good enough to win 10 games in the toughest division in football.
Palmer isn't a bum, he's a veteran who posted the same numbers he's posted for the last 5 years.. big difference is Palmer started all 16 games... the previous year, 4 different QBs started games due to injury and ineffectiveness.. Anybody who believes Whisenhunt deserved to be fired over what happened to the Cardinals last year should have no problem with our FO firing Chud.... they should also fully expect our next HC to win 10 games if Jason Campbell can just stay healthy.
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The Broncos' Adam Gase led his 2014 offense to the most points scored of any offense in the history of the NFL. Expect teams looking for a new head coach to be knocking on his door soon. (USA TODAY Sports)
By Dan Pompei
Some NFL head coaching candidates are intriguing. A few are surprising. Others are underwhelming. And one is fascinating.
For now, that precocious offensive wizard is not entertaining the head coaching possibilities being dangled by the Browns, Vikings and Lions. Adam Gase is focused only on trying to help bring a Lombardi Trophy to the Rocky Mountains. And he is one of the primary reasons the Broncos are in position to do that. Once the Broncos' season is over, Gase will check his inbox for head coaching interview requests.
If NFL coaches were ranked by name recognition, Gase might come in slightly above the Jaguars assistant to the special teams coach. But the men who are responsible for hiring head coaches have meaty files on Gase. Those files include information like this:
He cut his coaching teeth under the guidance of Nick Saban at Michigan State, and when Saban left for LSU, Gase was the only coach he took with him. Among his mentors are Saban and earthy and erudite Saints assistant Joe Vitt, who also happens to be Gase's father-in-law. His influences as an offensive strategist are Mike Martz, Josh McDaniels and Mike McCoy, each of whom was his superior at one point.
Gase's 2014 offense scored more points than any offense in the history of the NFL, and his quarterback threw for more yards than any quarterback ever. His was the first NFL offense to have five players score at least ten touchdowns from scrimmage. Under the auspices of Gase this season, Peyton Manning, Knowshon Moreno, Eric Decker and Julius Thomas had career years.
There are those in the Broncos organization who will tell you his most impressive work was two years ago when he was the quarterbacks coach and Tim Tebow was his special project. It wasn't always pretty, but Tebow played well enough for the Broncos to qualify for the playoffs and then defeat the Steelers. Since their separation, Tebow has become a former quarterback and Gase has become the bane of many a defensive coordinator.
Of course Gase now has the privilege of working with Manning, which could lead to questions about whether or not one of the things he does best is ride coattails. Who, exactly, is coaching whom? "There is no doubt Peyton has had a big impact on our offense with the way he leads from the quarterback position, but Adam has the brains and personality to run the show and also the humility to take ideas and implement them," Broncos tight end Jacob Tamme said.
He also said this regarding the Broncos' chess playing style of offense: "Peyton is one of the best ever at making adjustments on the field, on the sideline. And I think Adam is on that same level from a coaching perspective. They are thinking the same things."
Coaching Manning can't be easy. Especially for someone who, at 35, is two years Manning's junior. Manning comes to every meeting prepared with questions, sometimes hard questions. And he demands good answers. In other words, his trust must be earned. With Gase, it has been.
Asked about his offensive coordinator Wednesday after practice, Manning told a group of reporters this: "I think Adam has done a good job taking the different strengths of the players that he has and putting those guys in the best situations out there. I always think that's the key to a good offense is putting players in positions where they feel comfortable, where they can thrive. I think Adam has done that. He has studied what players do well, what players don't do so well and has kept them out of those situations. That has allowed guys to go out there, play fast and play with confidence. I think that has made a big difference. So that is a credit to him for studying his own players and kind of knowing what each guy does best."
Tamme said none of the players think of Gase as a young coach because he knows what he is doing. There isn't any inexperience showing. There may have been some when he was a scouting assistant with the Lions a decade ago. When the Lions hired Mike Martz to run their offense, Martz saw something he liked in Gase and asked then-head coach Rod Marinelli if he could have him as an assistant. Marinelli said yes, and Martz told Gase to follow him around for a year. The next year Gase was promoted to quarterbacks coach. Martz then took Gase with him to San Francisco. He is not surprised by his ascension. "Adam is brilliant but humble," Martz said. "He has a charisma and a passion for the game. He is the whole package as far as I'm concerned. He knows how to motivate players. I would match his knowledge against anyone's, even though he still is a young coach."
When Gase was promoted to Broncos offensive coordinator from quarterbacks coach, he implemented some of the Martz philosophy in the playbook. He also put the offense on fast forward, huddling less and stressing defenses more. "Tempo is something we focused on this year," Tamme said. "It makes sense because he is an uptempo personality. He brings a lot of energy into every meeting, everything we do."
A front office man who has worked with Gase called him "one of the sharpest offensive minds I've been around," and praised him for knowing the personnel element of the equation as well as the strategic. He also called him "an outside the box thinker who is not afraid of change."
That does not mean Gase will embrace career change at this point, even though it is likely he will have the opportunity. He has a lot of coaching life ahead of him. He is in a wonderful spot in Denver. Friends say he is content and challenged there. And if he stays one more year, he is likely to preside over an offense that breaks the records it set this year, and many more. Could you imagine how dynamic the Broncos offense could be if it takes root and Gase expands it?
That alone is enough to make other teams want to get him out of Denver.
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Does he end up calling all the plays? Or, does he bring in a coordinator?
Who could he get? Who could he bring in?
Defensive Coordinator? Horton?
Any concerns about the locker room? Can he unite it? He's around the same age as my son. NFL guys can be tough if you didn't play in the league and have some cred. I know the article covers it, but...
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As others have pointed out, Warner was not an "all time great QB" when Whisenhunt showed up.
In 2002 Warner had 3 TDs and 11 INTs while going 0-6. (He won the MVP the year before).
In 2003 played in only two games.
In 2004 Warner signed with the Giants. He was benched after nine games in favor of Eli Manning, the first overall pick.
In 2005 Warner signed with the Cardinals. He started 10 games and had 11 TDs and 9 INTs while going 2-8.
In 2006 Warner started 5 games and had 6 TDs and 5 INTs while going 1-4.
Clearly this is not an "all time great QB."
Then magically in 2007, Whisenhunt's first year, Warner, while starting 11 games, had 27 TDs and 17 INTs. He then had two more successful years with the Cardinals making the playoffs both years before retiring.
This article, from January 10th 2014, would be a good thing for you to read. Although it does not exactly support your point that Whisenhunt was only successful because of Warner. Here is the money quote from the article:
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"The first thing he was so great at was the flexibility to figure out what I did well and what we did well as a team,'' Warner said. "Unfortunately, I think a lot of coaches come in and go, 'hey this is they way I've done it, this is the way we're going to do it, and you've got to fit into this' and I think that's kind of what you saw with me in New York (5-4, 2004) and why people thought I was done, because I went to a system that was pretty different from what we did in St. Louis and didn't really fit my skill set….when I got back to Arizona, we worked very closely together to go okay, 'how are we built? How am I built as a quarterback? How do I see the game? Let's design an offense that plays to my strengths.'''
Warner said Whisenhunt was flexible enough to stray from his two-back, tight-end oriented scheme as coordinator in Pittsburgh (2004-06) and showcase his playmaking strengths. As a result, Warner threw 30 touchdown passes and only 14 interceptions in that Super Bowl season in Arizona. He also earned a 96.9 rating.
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I made a post yesterday about our coaching search. I can't seem to find it.
--I liked Franklin. I am a little disappointed that he went to Penn State.
--I like Malzahn. Great motivator. Puts pressure on the defense. Totally outcoached Jimbo in the the national championship game.
--Gase. Personal pick of P. Manning to be his OC this year. Worked w/great people. Very, very bright. Martz said the players respond to him.
--Quinn: Dark horse, but this guy had Florida as the nation's best defensive team and now he is doing a great job w/Seattle. Very solid in his schemes.
--I actually liked McDaniels. His game plan against Indy was brilliant. His play calling was unbelievable. Very smart guy.
--People are saying that good coaches won't come here. Why? When I said that they wouldn't come here because of how hateful the local media and fan base is towards this regime, I was told that there are only 32 jobs and all NFL HC jobs are in great demand. Why is it different now? Personally, if I were a head coaching candidate, the media and fans would bother me way more than the FO. I just read page after page of crap from our fans. They believe that one story that puts our FO in a negative light and dismiss the one that says that story isn't true. Pfffttttttttttttt....who would want to work in an environment that is so hateful and poisoned? It's hard to succeed when the local media turns on you. The fans follow. Negativity rules the day.
Just ask Bill Belichick about his time in Cleveland. These same geniuses were saying the same things about him as they are the current regime. One thing........you are consistent.
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Ken Whisenhunt to coach Titans Updated: January 13, 2014, 6:21 PM ET
By Adam Schefter and Chris Mortensen | ESPN
Ken Whisenhunt has accepted an offer to become the next coach of the Tennessee Titans, which has left the Detroit Lions focusing more closely on Jim Caldwell as a leading candidate for their vacancy, according to league sources.
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Good for him. That's a solid organization (or, it used to be) that should set him up nicely.
I didn't think he'd make it out of Detroit without a contract, so him not coming here at all isn't surprising to me.
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My friend and I say this every year around this time.... Why not Brian Billick?
Experience as a head coach, has maintained touch with the game through his analyst job and he comes across as extremely knowledgeable and insightful.
I mean...the guy won a Super Bowl and not even an interview?
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What do you think would turn off a candidate more
A front office that just fired it's coach after one year of a rebuild, led by an owner whose company is the subject of a federal fraud organization?
Or mean reporters and fans?
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Good for him. That's a solid organization (or, it used to be) that should set him up nicely.
I didn't think he'd make it out of Detroit without a contract, so him not coming here at all isn't surprising to me.
Makes sense to me....I assume the guy has a family. Sorry, Detroit would be about the last place I'd go....Cleveland next....Nashville....that's a great town.
Face it. With the money they are signing for, these are retirement solving decisions. Not many with half a brain can't figure out how to make the 4 year, 3-5 or more mil a year contract be enough money to last them the rest of their life.
Go for location if none of the options are all that great.
Look at Chud....he never has to work again. He has what, 8 mil due? No, you might not have the multi-million dollar house, but you can pay off a nice $450,000 home in a nice neighborhood, join the local country club, and live a pretty nice lifestyle the rest of the way, with money left over to help set up you kids.
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What do you think would turn off a candidate more
A front office that just fired it's coach after one year of a rebuild, led by an owner whose company is the subject of a federal fraud organization?
Or mean reporters and fans?
You know those NFL coaches are scared of the mean, mean fans and reporters of Cleveland. They're the NFL's boogeyman. I heard Bill Belichick has night terrors of being told he was a bad coach in the 90's!
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My friend and I say this every year around this time.... Why not Brian Billick?
Experience as a head coach, has maintained touch with the game through his analyst job and he comes across as extremely knowledgeable and insightful.
I mean...the guy won a Super Bowl and not even an interview?
I'm right there with ya. I don't really understand it.
I'm not saying he's the next Lombardi, Brown or Belichick...but the guy has tons of experience and seems like a tough SOB.
Sometimes you don't get to make the decision when the games through with you.
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My friend and I say this every year around this time.... Why not Brian Billick?
Experience as a head coach, has maintained touch with the game through his analyst job and he comes across as extremely knowledgeable and insightful.
I mean...the guy won a Super Bowl and not even an interview?
I don't think he wants to give up the cushy network job, but he's a far better candidate than any others thus far.
Right now, he has low stress and paychecks from multiple networks. When he was fired from the Ravens at the end of '07, he had three years left on his contract at $5 million per. That's $15 million taking him to the start of '11, plus his freelance analyst gigs.
If I had to take a guess, someone would have to throw out a ridiculous annual salary at him to even get his attention because he is living the good life right now - he has money to be comfortable, free time to enjoy it, and is still connected to the game.
Browns is the Browns
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I also don't think they care all that much if you provide them with the security blanket of a 4-5 year contract.
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What do you think would turn off a candidate more
A front office that just fired it's coach after one year of a rebuild, led by an owner whose company is the subject of a federal fraud organization?
Or mean reporters and fans?
You know those NFL coaches are scared of the mean, mean fans and reporters of Cleveland. They're the NFL's boogeyman. I heard Bill Belichick has night terrors of being told he was a bad coach in the 90's!
Or someone sees a good defense, one of the best WRs in the game, a good-to-very good O-line, tons of picks in the upcoming draft, an owner willing to spend money and a lot of cap room.
Sure, I see a toxic situation like most do, but if this offseason goes well, this is a good landing spot for anyone.
Last I checked, there are only 32 of these jobs on the planet.
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I agree Punch......I think most who complain are just that....complainers.....something is always wrong.
The team sucks, so I am not going to go to games. My meal at Logans wasn't as good as Ruth's Chris, so I will stiff the waitress, and Ruth's Chris is overpriced, so I will stiff them as well.
It is what it is.
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Contract =/= a job though. A bad move can ruin your career and people are getting a bad idea about coaching here because it sounds like they don't have control of the team.
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Throw BOLD! Am I the only one feels that if you throw out over a dozen or so namees, well, that doesn't inspire confidence in the Decider(s) or the decision. Looks like you don't know what is vital or what you are looking for (as in with both hands). Longer we wait, the better our chance of picking through the ash heap for another placeholder.  
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I agree Punch......I think most who complain are just that....complainers.....something is always wrong.
The team sucks, so I am not going to go to games. My meal at Logans wasn't as good as Ruth's Chris, so I will stiff the waitress, and Ruth's Chris is overpriced, so I will stiff them as well.
It is what it is.
Right.
I'm not saying we're a prime job and people should be running, even coaches like Cowher and Saban. But the positives of this opening are still better than the negatives.
This is a football town. If the new guy can get into the playoffs, he'll have a statue in Public Square. Money and chance to be a hero. You don't pass that up.
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