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And, trading up to #2 if a trade up to #1 is available just sounds like a loser's mentality. Typical. If you're trying to move up to #2 and since Houston has expressed an interest to move out of the #1 overall, see what they are asking. I'm not sure that it would be much more (and could even be less) than what the Rams stole from Washington in the RG3 deal. In my view, talking to St. Louis would already be a sign that you're willing to grab the ankles and take it without any lubrication.
While it would be ideal to trade up the first pick and get the guy we want for sure, I see it as unlikely. Houston needs a QB. If they want a QB with the first pick then there is no way they are trading out.
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For me, it's just too easy to imagine a scenario where we simply can't get our guy for a remotely reasonable price (for me, that's our 4th and 26th).
The three teams in front of us could be looking to take a QB. There are several teams right behind us that could also be looking to trade up.
I don't buy that at all.
I'm not sure that Houston will take a QB at #1 overall. I'm sure they probably won't find a trade partner and if they do draft #1 overall it will be one of the OTs or Clowney. I think that there is nearly 0% of anything else. I would put the probabilities at about 90% for the OT or Clowney and 10% for one of the QBs (probably Bortles, maybe Manziel).
I pretty sure that we'll know if St. Louis will draft a QB if they trade Bradford. If they don't, he'll be their QB. If they do, then they'll draft one at #2. Otherwise, I think it'll be one of the OTs or Clowney.
Jacksonville could very well draft one, but I'm not convinced either, but I suspect that if one of the OTs is there, that's who they'll take.
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Also, our FO might not like one or more of the top 3 QBs (they each have their warts).
I'm not sure, but I'm not sold on any of them but of the 3 receiving most of the talk, I like Bortles the best.
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That's where we differ. I would be VERY disappointed if we traded up for anyone, but especially if we traded up to #2 when the #1 overall spot was available for a reasonable increase in compensation.
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However the top of the draft turns out, I want us to draft more than 1 QB this year. The once-in-a-decade guy has already come through, so, for me, the shotgun approach is going to be the best way to address the QB position.
I want the Browns to draft at least one QB. I would not be upset if we drafted another one late or signed one as an UDFA.
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While it would be ideal to trade up the first pick and get the guy we want for sure, I see it as unlikely. Houston needs a QB. If they want a QB with the first pick then there is no way they are trading out.
The owner of the Texans has already said that they're open to moving out of the #1 spot. They also have the #1 selection in each round. They may decide to grab one at the top of the 2nd or even the 3rd round instead.
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The owner of the Texans has already said that they're open to moving out of the #1 spot. They also have the #1 selection in each round. They may decide to grab one at the top of the 2nd or even the 3rd round instead.
The owner of the Texans (Bob McNair) said that on January 3rd. Many things have changed since then and will will continue to change from now on.
I agree that it is a possibility that they will trade the pick. But if there is a QB that they like they will not trade the pick.
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I am also fully onboard with the idea of going 2 drafted QBs + Hoyer. Connor Shaw or Aaron Murray (as one will likely drop in the draft) are my choices, but I don't know much at all about the smaller school guys. As long as the QB3 we pick has a high upside and he can sit-n-learn, then all is good there.
I don't know what it is but the mood around here has changed. It appears that folks are deflated and resigned to drafting a QB that isn't one of those that they have been all hot and bothered to get. Even trading up from #4 to get them.
poor wording on my part. I meant those 2 are my choices for the QB3 guy.
I want #4 = QB, Hoyer, and a 5th or 6th round QB.
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The owner of the Texans (Bob McNair) said that on January 3rd. Many things have changed since then and will will continue to change from now on.
I agree that it is a possibility that they will trade the pick. But if there is a QB that they like they will not trade the pick.
So, it matters when he said it? My guess is that if you asked him today or May 7th, he'd say that they're willing to trade out of the spot.
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poor wording on my part. I meant those 2 are my choices for the QB3 guy.
I want #4 = QB, Hoyer, and a 5th or 6th round QB.
Fine.
For me, I want a competition at the QB spot to determine who is best.
That would be Hoyer, QB (2nd-4th rounds), QB (5th-7th rounds) and even Alex Tanney. I want to see them all get snaps against the best defense that the Browns can put on them. Let the best man earn the job.
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Yes. A lot of things have changed since January 3rd. A lot of juniors hadn't even declared by then and if they had they had not been scouted.
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It makes sense that if the Rams are continuing with Bradford, then...
they willl get the same guy at #4 (our #4) than they will with #2.
Snead isn't stupid.
Trading with us makes sense, unless Jacksonville, the Raiders, or Vikings come in with a first next year. Then it gets really expensive.
I believe you mentioned a scenario where they want a quarterback. Although that's a long shot, if it happens then we hope Clowney is still there and trade out. IMO
Sammy is the most dynamic player available at that time. But, I would prefer to trade out. I think we can get a boatload of good players this year, and be set up for a possible miracle next year. I am in a 6 5', big guy, with a big arm, who can run, mode. Despite what Winston says, millions of dollars is hard to turn your back on. Mariota, Winston, Petty, vs. Bortles and Carr. You tell me.
If we try to force it, well... we've been trying to force it for as long as I can remember. In the words of Dr. Phil "how's that working for ya"?
If we end up with Sammy or Clowney I can live with it.
Bortles would result in another Weeden at #21 moment. It wasn't pretty.
If we give up more than #4, #26, and a fourth to move up to #2, then I'm definitely in the "we over paid" camp.
My son has champagne taste on a natty light budget. But, he doesn't try to pretend natty light is champagne. I think we start to talk ourselves into believing that natty light quarterbacks are Chrystal when nothing suggests that is the case. Most quarterbacks are who we know they are. Occasionally, a great coach will build one up, and you didn't see it coming, but for the most part they are who we know and think they are.
We have been sold that Teddy and Johnny are elite and we need to get them NOW! OK, I guess. If we jump, I hope we hit it. If we don't get them, reload and try again next year. We may be pleasantly surprised and rewarded for being patient and building it the right way. For once! Finally! If I have to wait one more year for my Super Bowl, because we didn't get our guy, then I'm good with it.
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I asked the question before it came out that the Rams were for sure going with Bradford next year.
Knowing that now I would say we are the favorites to move up to the second pick and acquire a QB (if the QB our front office/coaching staff likes is draftable at pick two).
The Rams are definitely in a good spot. They have a pretty good team and will likely add three more first round picks to that team. Scary.
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I asked the question before it came out that the Rams were for sure going with Bradford next year.
Knowing that now I would say we are the favorites to move up to the second pick and acquire a QB (if the QB our front office/coaching staff likes is draftable at pick two).
The Rams are definitely in a good spot. They have a pretty good team and will likely add three more first round picks to that team. Scary.
Too bad they don't have a QB.
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What is the plan if QBs go one, two, and three? For example, what if the Texans take Manziel, the Rams decide they are done with Bradford and take Bridgewater, and then the Jaguars take Bortles?
Then, we are the same old Browns.
We'll reach for a guy like Garropolla, Mettenberger, Murray, or Carr. He'll be another stiff like Weeden, BQ, Frye, or McCoy. We will continue to suck and everyone will say how we should have traded up to ensure getting either Teddy or Manziel.
I think we should trade up to two. I really want Teddy, but I could live w/Manziel because of his upside.
I have never once been a proponent of trading up in the draft. I almost always say to trade down and get more picks. However, we need a freaking QB. We have a slew of picks. We have the 4th overall pick which means we won't have to give up quite as much. We have two first round picks.
Tired of listening to the rhetoric of a guy who refuses to even look at breakdowns of certain QBs. He just knows Teddy stinks because he looked at his height and weight and he enjoys being different. I love the logic........
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... we are the favorites to move up to the second pick... will likely add three more first round picks to that team.
The only team other than us would be the Vikings, and I don't believe they could afford that move. Oakland is going nowhere and I can't see any other team within "striking distance". While the Rams may want to move down, they are going to find it very difficult unless they back off on picks. Very possibly we may wish to sit at #4 (or wait it out until the Rams will settle for less then they likely want...
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I asked the question before it came out that the Rams were for sure going with Bradford next year.
Knowing that now I would say we are the favorites to move up to the second pick and acquire a QB (if the QB our front office/coaching staff likes is draftable at pick two).
The Rams are definitely in a good spot. They have a pretty good team and will likely add three more first round picks to that team. Scary.
Too bad they don't have a QB.
Opinions differ on Bradford. I like him and think he is pretty good. He was pretty good in 2012 and was on his way to his best year in 2013 before he got hurt.
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The jury is still out on Bradford. He hasn't had much of a supporting cast in St. Louis. He has talent. He also played in a stupid Spread offense in college which hinders guys transitioning to the NFL. On the other hand, he has been injured quite a bit, displayed some accuracy problems, and has been disappointing.
I wouldn't give up on him yet, but I wouldn't be shocked if they did.
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I'd pass on Bradford solely because of his injury history alone.
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So, it matters when he said it?
Yes. A lot of things have changed since January 3rd. A lot of juniors hadn't even declared by then and if they had they had not been scouted.
That doesn't even make sense.
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ACL injuries, while scary, are a lot easier to recover from now then they were in the past. Bradford will have nearly a full year of recovery and he is not a running QB. None of his injuries are the type where they are more likely to happen again because they happened once before.
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I thank God every day that you folks aren't making the selections.
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How freaking mature was that?
I think it was quite mature. Better than other things that I could have written.
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I'm not worried about his recovery and etc, I'm sure he'll be full upper 90 to 100% come camp - it's just the frequency of his injuries. His name was associated with the injury report far too much/often.
Truth be told, I like his game. But the second he comes here and has an ankle problem, knee problem, finger problem or any other type of problem - i'll instantly be overly disgusted by it...
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How freaking mature was that?
I think it was quite mature. Better than other things that I could have written.
I want to hear the "other things."
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How freaking mature was that?
I think it was quite mature. Better than other things that I could have written.
I want to hear the "other things."
I actually like the website and don't wish to get banned or suspended. 
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I asked the question before it came out that the Rams were for sure going with Bradford next year.
Knowing that now I would say we are the favorites to move up to the second pick and acquire a QB (if the QB our front office/coaching staff likes is draftable at pick two).
The Rams are definitely in a good spot. They have a pretty good team and will likely add three more first round picks to that team. Scary.
Yea, the Rams have a lot of talent. Makes you wonder about Fisher.
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There has never been a QB who threw less than 54 mph w/ any long term success in NFL. http://blogs.ourlads.com/2013/03/27/quarterback-ball-velocity-at-nfl-combine-2008-2012/ …
YEAR: 2014
Logan Thomas, Virginia Tech 60
Stephen Morris, Miami 59
Tom Savage, Pittsburgh 57
Blake Bortles, Central Florida 56
Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois 56
Jeff Mathews, Cornell 56
Keith Wenning, Ball State 56
Jordan Lynch, Northern Illinois 55
Tajh Boyd, Clemson 54
Bryn Renner, North Carolina 54
David Fales, San Jose State 53
AJ McCarron, Alabama 53
Dustin Vaughan, West Texas A&M 53
Connor Shaw, South Carolina 50
Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville – Did not throw
Derek Carr, Fresno State – Did not throw
Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M – Did not throw
Zach Mettenberger, LSU – Did not throw
Aaron Murray, Georgia – Did not throw
YEAR: 2013
Tyler Bray, Tennessee 59
Zac Dysert, Miami (OH) 59
James Vandenberg, Iowa 57
Ryan Nassib, Syracuse 56
Bradley Sorensen, Southern Utah 56
Geno Smith, West Virginia 55
Tyler Wilson, Arkansas 55
EJ Manuel, Florida State 54
Matthew Scott, Arizona 54
Landry Jones, Oklahoma 53
Collin Klein, Kansas State 52
Colby Cameron, Louisiana Tech 51
Marqueis Gray, Minnesota 51
Michael Glennon, North Carolina State 49
Matt Barkley, Southern Cal – Did not throw
Sean Renfree, Duke – Did not throw
YEAR: 2012
Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State 59
Kirk Cousins, Michigan State 59
Austin Davis, Southern Mississippi 58
Nick Foles, Arizona 57
Chandler Harnish, Northern Illinois 57
Jordan Jefferson, LSU 57
Russell Wilson, Wisconsin 55
Casey Keenum, Houston 55
Patrick Witt, Yale 54
Darron Thomas, Oregon 53
Ryan Lindley, San Diego State 52
Kellen Moore, Boise State 52
Jacory Harris, Miami 50
Aaron Corp, Richmond 50
BJ Coleman, Tennessee-Chattanooga Did not throw
Robert Griffin III, Baylor Did not throw
Andrew Luck, Stanford Did not throw
Brock Osweiler, Arizona State Did not throw
Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M Did not throw
YEAR: 2011
Colin Kaepernick, Nevada 59
Ryan Mallett, Arkansas 58
Patrick Devlin, Delaware 56
Andy Dalton, TCU 56
Cam Newton, Auburn 56
Scott Tolzien, Wisconsin 55
Nathan Enderle, Idaho 54
Jake Locker, Washington 54
TJ Yates, North Carolina 52
Christian Ponder, Florida St 51
Ricky Stanzi, Iowa 50
Tyrod Taylor, Va Tech 50
Greg McElroy, Alabama Did not throw
Blaine Gabbert, Missouri Did not throw
YEAR: 2010
Levi Brown, Troy 56
Colt McCoy, Texas 56 (Did not throw at Combine. Throw was recorded at a private workout with a Radar Gun & Computer Chip in Ball.
Max Hall, BYU 52
Tim Hiller, Western Michigan 52
Michael Kafka, Northwestern 52
Zac Robinson, Oklahoma St. 52
Jevan Snead, Mississippi 52
Sean Canfield, Oregon St. 51
Jarrett Brown, West Virginia 50
John Skelton, Fordham 50
Dan LeFevour, Central Michigan 49
Tony Pike, Cincinnati 49
Armanti Edwards, Appalachian St. 46.5
Sam Bradford, Oklahoma Did not throw
Jimmy Clausen,Notre Dame Did not throw
Jonathan Crompton, Tennessee Did not throw
Tim Tebow, Florida Did not throw
YEAR: 2009
John Wilson Parker, Alabama 58
Mike Reilly, Central Washington 58
Drew Willy, Buffalo 58
Mark Sanchez, Southern Cal 57
Josh Freeman, Kansas State 57
Chase Daniels, Missouri 57
Nate Davis, Ball State 56
Curtis Painter, Purdue 56
Rhett Bomar, Sam Houston State 55
Tom Brandstetter, Fresno State 53
Cullen Harper, Clemson 53
Stephen McGee, Texas A & M 53
Graham Harrell, Texas Tech 52
Pat White, West Virginia 52
Matt Stafford, Georgia Did not throw
YEAR 2008:
Paul Smith, Tulsa 57
Joe Flacco, Delaware 55
Kevin O’Connell, San Diego St 55
Brian Brohm, Louisville 53
Chad Henne, Michigan 53
Erik Ainge, Tennessee 52
John David Booty, Southern Cal 51
Matt Flynn, LSU 50
Josh Johnson, San Diego 49
Colt Brennan, Hawaii 44
Dennis Dixon, Oregon Did not throw
Matt Ryan, Boston College Did not throw
Andre Woodson, Kentucky Did not throw
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How accurate is that.
Glennon 49 mph...yet he was the considered the Rocket arm of the draft. The guy who could make all the throws with the needed velocity...and that moniker grew after the combine not lessened??? The knock was his inconsistent accuracy.
I'm confused he failed miserably in that mph thing.
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A lot of nothing. I saw plenty of QBs that threw more than 54 mph in there that have been nothing at all. One of them is still on the Browns roster.
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A lot of nothing. I saw plenty of QBs that threw more than 54 mph in there that have been nothing at all. One of them is still on the Browns roster.
That isn't the point of the article.
It isn't about illustrating that throwing above 54mph automatically equates to being a successful NFL QB. However ,throwing beneath that threshold has been an indicator (or maybe more appropriately said...a benchmark) that players won't be successful long term. If accurate, those numbers hold true.
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Some interesting numbers in there. Colt's and Newton's stand out to me.
Then again, guys like Logan Thomas and Weeden illustrate why arm strength can be overrated.
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Vers I know you have been working on QBs, so what are your thoughts on taking Boyd as a developmental project? I really like what I saw from him in limited games this season. He also really impressed me with his post game interview after beating the Buckeyes  I thought his numbers were inflated due to the offense Clemson ran but I like his ability to extend plays with his legs. He reminds me a lot of Manziel without all the hype. That and hes at the 54 MPH threshold. A more interesting and accurate study would be the ability to read a defense. My guess is it would be a lot more telling than MPH.
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Boyd has not impressed me with his game, there are others that I believe are better alternatives.
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Charger what guys do you like as project QBs? I don't get to watch a ton of college football so would like others input. Mettenburger and Murray are two I like better but Boyd was a name that popped out to me on the MPH list for some reason.
I think it would be wise with all the picks we have to take a 2nd qb in the draft if there is value later and we take one early.
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I would pass on Boyd. He is another colt mcoy or troy smith. Just don't think he will be ever accurate enough to be a starter. Maybe a backup at best. He played like a bum against Florida State, and also the senior bowl.
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Vers will get a little chuckle because I keep pimping this guy and he is the only one who ever takes note. But the guy I like is James Franklin QB Missouri. I love the way he throws the football. He threw for 19 td's, 6 INT's with a 62.1% completion percentage for 2429 yrds and a QBR of 141.9 Against SEC competition. And he missed a month of football secondary to a shoulder injury.
And there in lies the rub. He seems injury prone.
I don't get all the other qb's rated higher than him. He is projected to be a 7th round pick/UDFA. He wasn't even invited to the combine. He might be a little on the short side. He is listed as 6'2" 230 on the MU website. That likely means 6'1" or 6' even but since he wasn't at the combine, we don't know for sure.
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I think if I was looking strictly at a project guy.I definately go with Logan Thomas. He seems to have all of the physical ability you could ask for.
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Charger what guys do you like as project QBs? I don't get to watch a ton of college football so would like others input. Mettenburger and Murray are two I like better but Boyd was a name that popped out to me on the MPH list for some reason.
I think it would be wise with all the picks we have to take a 2nd qb in the draft if there is value later and we take one early.
Garoppolo, Murray and Mettenburger in that order for late rounders.
I think Murray and Mettenbuger are battle tested, and Garoppolo has good mechanics.
Thomas has the athletic ability of Luck and Cam, but you see poor mechanics and terrible decision making. He would look good in shorts at the combine, but there is a reason why he is a 6-7 round selection.
I could care less about the mph... it is a silly test, a 20 yard sideline out on the other hand......
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If we are taking a QB in rounds 4 through 7 it would be fun to take a look at Alex Tanney. He can sure learn where to put the ball that's for sure =) http://www.youtube.com/v/khzNGG_No-8&hd=1
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Garoppolo, Murray and Mettenburger in that order for late rounders.
Listening to Phil Savage on Sirius NFL this morning responding to a phone-in call from a 49er's fan, he stated their needs/wants include a backup QB, Ilb, and a safety. I have read elsewhere that Harbaugh has worked out Garappolo, and that they may very well move up in the draft to grab their target. If so, Jimmy G may not last tro the 2nd round. Just speculating, but if we do not grab our QB at #4, he may not be there when we draft at #26, or #35...
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If we are taking a QB in rounds 4 through 7 it would be fun to take a look at Alex Tanney. He can sure learn where to put the ball that's for sure =)
http://www.youtube.com/v/khzNGG_No-8&hd=1
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This video is totally inappropriate for the board and full of foul language.
REFs take a look.
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