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The Morning Kickoff …

2013 in review: This is the first in a periodic series reviewing the Browns’ season of 4-12. Today we start with our annual rankings of players from top to bottom.

For the first time, we’ve broken up the rankings into two lists. We did it this way because there were so many transactions during the course of the year that several players did not appear in a minimum of eight games. In essence, the Browns created a built-in practice squad of about 12 players at the bottom of the roster. This was probably done for the future and had the result of contributing to 2013’s demise.

The rankings are based solely on our unscientific evaluation of production and impact vs. playing time. As usual, there is a severe drop-off after the first dozen or so players. Only one new addition to the team cracked our top 10.

1. WR Josh Gordon: Stunning rise as one of NFL’s most dangerous playmakers; best season ever for a Browns WR.

2. CB Joe Haden: Despite drop-off in last month, he elevated to elite. Peaked in first quarter in Cincy with two INTs, one his first career Pick 6.

3. LT Joe Thomas: Incredibly reliable and steady; seventh straight Pro Bowl year without missing a snap, but led team with 11 penalties.

4. TE Jordan Cameron: Hard work to stay healthy paid off in fabulous Pro Bowl season.

5. SS T.J. Ward: Put it all together in his free agent getaway season.

6. C Alex Mack: A good player, but why can’t they run behind him on third-and-1?

7. DE Ahtyba Rubin: Second among linemen in snaps, first in tackles and hustle.

8. LB D’Qwell Jackson: The only player on defense to play every snap of the season.

8. FS Tashaun Gipson: Much improved, he led with five interceptions, was third in tackles and knocked out E.J. Manuel and Jermichael Finley with clean hits.

10. DE Desmond Bryant: Dropped off after heart problem in Game 5, but still led linemen in QB harassments. In baseball, they call it warning-track power.

11. NT Phil Taylor: New system turned him into a two-down player.

12. LB Jabaal Sheard: Looked more productive as a defensive end.

13. LB Paul Kruger: Earnest and dedicated but, geez, 4 ½ sacks?

14. CB Buster Skrine: Cut down on penalties (six) and really improved to ranks of legitimate starter.

15. LG John Greco: Solid player; least-penalized (two) of starting offensive linemen.

16. P Spencer Lanning: A pleasant surprise who managed the bad weather fairly well.

17. TE Gary Barnidge: A decent combination blocker-receiver who was under-utilized in the passing game.

18. PK Billy Cundiff: Never tested with a game on the line except in New England, where his 58-yarder was on the mark but three yards short.

19. QB Jason Campbell: Had three good games in eight starts, winning one. As losses mounted, he became a basket case.

20. DE John Hughes: Third among D-linemen in tackles despite only 37 percent of the snaps.

21. LB Barkevious Mingo: Five sacks overall, two in his last 12 games. Concerns about his weight and strength were justified.

22. FB Chris Ogbonnaya: Miscast as a fullback, he did finish third in receptions (48) and first in yards-per-carry (4.9).

23. LB Craig Robertson: His production fell short of the responsibility he was given. Simply couldn’t cover.

24. NT Ishmaa’ily Kitchen: This pure, space-eating nose tackle gets after it.

25. WR-PR Travis Benjamin: Authored five big plays – and one lasting nickname (Rabbitt) -- in seven games before knee injury

26. RT Mitchell Schwartz: Grinded through second season without missing a snap despite nagging injury and challenges against speed rushers.

27. DE Billy Winn: Injury limited him to one-fourth the defensive snaps; also played three snaps in the offensive backfield.

28. RG Shawn Lauvao: His one holding penalty was a crucial play in the Chicago loss and probably sealed his exit in free agency.

29. RB Willis McGahee: His 377 yards is the lowest figure to lead the team in rushing since the 1953 season.

30. SS Jordan Poyer: Showed some flair at punt returner and at safety to probably compete for T.J. Ward’s expected vacated starting spot next year.

31. DE Armonty Bryant: Had a couple sacks to inspire 15 minutes as a diamond-in-the-rough gem for a seventh-round pick.

32. FS Johnson Bademosi: Fell off the map as a defensive contributor, but ran away with special teams tackles title with 17.

33. WR Greg Little: Logged 49 more snaps overall than Josh Gordon – and produced 46 fewer receptions.

(tie) WR Davone Bess: Had 42 catches and 14 drops (second in NFL) on 83 targets.

35. TE MarQueis Gray: Two nifty Wildcat runs raised some hope of a future enlarged role.

36. QB Brandon Weeden: Probably ended Browns career with 5-15 record as a starter, 0-5 this year.

37: LS Christian Yount: One bad snap in 144 opportunities.

38. RB Fozzy Whittaker: Had his moments, muffing the onside kick in New England among them.

40. CB Leon McFadden: Four penalties in very limited time on defense.

41. LB Tank Carder: Second in special teams tackles.

42. LB Darius Eubanks: Made some tackles.

43. TE Keavon Milton: Active for eight games, played nine snaps on offense.

Players with fewer than eight game appearances

1. QB Brian Hoyer: Had biggest impact in three games of any player in memory.

2. LB Quentin Groves: Played with a lot of energy until high ankle injury.

3. RB Edwin Baker: Had two longest TD runs of year – from 5 and 2 yards.

4. OG Jason Pinkston: Comeback from 2012 blood clot finally achieved with two starts.

5. WR Josh Cooper: Should have replaced Bess at midseason.

Others: SS Josh Aubrey, OT Reid Fragel, OG Garrett Gilkey, WR Tori Gurley, DB Julian Posey, DE Brian Sandford, TE Andre Smith, QB Alex Tanney, WR Brian Tyms, OT Martin Wallace.


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take the players from 29 down and cut them unless they are developmental players that have been here for 1-2 years or made the 2nd list.

Anyone not mentioned in these list.. we can cut as well.


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I might have to disagree on Armonty Bryant and wait for it.... Greg Little. I think we should move him to the slot or even a hybrid H Back/TE and try to get a true #2 in the draft. As much as I hated watching him drop passes, I really believe he could turn the corner next year. If they cut him, I won't lose sleep, though. I would just like to see if his work ethic and attitude paid off. Other than that, let's start from scratch, again. At least the Browns are good at that.....


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Armonty Bryant And Edwin Baker Have Decent Chances To impact The team. Want To See More Of both.

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I'd love to see Quentin Groves return to form. He was a beast off the bench before he got hurt.


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I'd love to see Quentin Groves return to form. He was a beast off the bench before he got hurt.




Depends on whether we stay with the 3-4, or change back to the 4-3.


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I'd probably jockey some of those around a bit but overall it's not too far off... when you are reaching to put your QB in the top 20 of your team in talent... it's hard to win.


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I've been saying that for two years now, Good moble, smart but not a run blocker, I really dont know if he's worth what he's gonna ask for and if so can we pay it,

Can we replace Mack in the middle with a lower priced veteran or with a 3rd round draft pick (obviusly lower cost) ?

What worries me is we cant pay everybody on our line 8 + mil a year, We want to up grade our Guards and Right tackle well guess what that takes money..What can we live with and what cant we live with do we let mack walk and go with a rookie center and pay more for a FA guard, sign mack or Franchise tag mack and go with a lower priced rookie guard ?

My feeling is there gonna let mack see what offers are out their after offering him a desent fair offer, somebody will over pay. I see us losing mack unless we franchise tag him.

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take the players from 29 down and cut them unless they are developmental players that have been here for 1-2 years or made the 2nd list.

Anyone not mentioned in these list.. we can cut as well.




Basically anyone after 21 is either a special teams guy, free agent, or had personal issues. So you're not cutting much.

That said, I'm still on the Greg Little will be good train. Toot toot.

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1	Joe Thomas	LT	29
2 Josh Gordon WR 22
3 Joe Haden CB 24
4 Desmond Bryant DE 28
5 Phil Taylor DT 25
6 T.J. Ward S 27
7 Jordan Cameron TE 25
8 Ahtyba Rubin DE 27
9 John Hughes DE 25
10 Billy Winn DE 24
11 Buster Skrine CB 24
12 Jabaal Sheard OLB 24
13 Brian Hoyer QB 28
14 Paul Kruger OLB 27
15 Alex Mack C 28
16 D'Qwell Jackson ILB 30
17 Travis Benjamin WR 24
18 Armonty Bryant DE 23
19 Edwin Baker RB 22
20 Barkevious Mingo OLB 23
21 Mitchell Schwartz RT 24
22 Dion Lewis RB 23
23 Tashaun Gipson S 23
24 Davone Bess WR 28
25 Quentin Groves OLB 29
26 Billy Cundiff K 33
27 Spencer Lanning P 25
28 Jason Campbell QB 32
29 Johnson Bademosi S 23
30 Greg Little WR 24
31 John Greco G 28
32 Fozzy Whittaker RB 24
33 Chris Ogbonnaya RB 27
34 Brian Sanford DE 26
35 Josh Aubrey S 22
36 Craig Robertson ILB 25
37 Ishmaa'ily Kitchen DT 25
38 Josh Cooper WR 25
39 MarQueis Gray RB 24
40 Jordan Poyer CB 22
41 Jason Pinkston G 26
42 Shawn Lauvao G 26
43 Brandon Weeden QB 30
44 Tank Carder ILB 24
45 Julian Posey CB 25
46 Gary Barnidge TE 28
47 Garrett Gilkey G 23
48 Willis McGahee RB 32
49 Brian Tyms WR 24
50 Eric Martin OLB 22
51 Leon McFadden CB 23
52 Oniel Cousins G 29
Unranked Alex Tanney QB 26
Unranked Andre Smith TE 25
Unranked Brandon Bogotay K 24
Unranked Brandon Hughes CB 27
Unranked Brandon Magee ILB 23
Unranked Cam Henderson DE 23
Unranked Charles Johnson WR 24
Unranked Chris Faulk LT 23
Unranked Christian Yount LS 25
Unranked Conner Vernon WR 23
Unranked Darius Eubanks S 22
Unranked Eddie Williams RB 26
Unranked Jamoris Slaughter S 24
Unranked Jarrod Shaw C 26
Unranked Jeremiah Warren C 26
Unranked Justin Staples OLB 24
Unranked Keavon Milton TE 23
Unranked Martin Wallace LT 23
Unranked Paul Hazel DE 23
Unranked Reid Fragel RT 22
Unranked T.J. Heath CB 26
Unranked Tori Gurley WR 26


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I know it's only Madden, but it's probably somewhat/kinda accurate. At least a good starting point.

This is from Madden 25...

Joe Thomas 97
Alex Mack 91
Joe Haden 91
TJ Ward 90
Desmond Bryant 88
D'Qwell Jackson 87
Paul Kruger 87
Ahtyba Rubin 84
Phil Taylor 83
Mitchell Schwartz 83
Jabaal Sheard 82
Josh Gordon 81

Those are all the 80+ guys. Just for note they have Mingo at 76, and Richardson was 87.

Keep in mind these are preseason ratings. They get adjusted as the season goes along. I'm sure Gordon is probably over 90 now, and Richardson is probably below 80...

They can only go by what these guys have done. Rookies always have inaccurate numbers because it's based on potential so obviously higher picked guys will come in with bigger numbers.

For those of you who don't play, the cool thing is, the game can send updates at any time for a free download, so they can adjust whenever. Each game for that year will update rosters up until the end of the season.

Going off that list, it's clear we have talent, we just lack someone above 80 at QB.

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1	Joe Thomas	LT	29
2 Josh Gordon WR 22
3 Joe Haden CB 24
4 Desmond Bryant DE 28
5 T.J. Ward S 27
6 Jabaal Sheard OLB 24
7 Alex Mack C 28
8 Jordan Cameron TE 25
9 Phil Taylor DT 25
10 Ahtyba Rubin DE 27
11 Paul Kruger OLB 27
12 John Hughes DE 25
13 D'Qwell Jackson ILB 30
14 Billy Winn DE 24
15 Mitchell Schwartz RT 24
16 Buster Skrine CB 24
17 Quentin Groves OLB 29
18 Barkevious Mingo OLB 23
19 Armonty Bryant DE 23
20 Brian Hoyer QB 28
21 Tashaun Gipson S 23
22 John Greco G 28
23 Craig Robertson ILB 25
24 Travis Benjamin WR 24
25 Jason Pinkston G 26
26 Ishmaa'ily Kitchen DT 25
27 Jason Campbell QB 32
28 Edwin Baker RB 22
29 Chris Ogbonnaya RB 27
30 Dion Lewis RB 23
31 Billy Cundiff K 33
32 Spencer Lanning P 25
33 Davone Bess WR 28
34 Shawn Lauvao G 26
35 Brandon Weeden QB 30
36 Greg Little WR 24
37 Leon McFadden CB 23
38 Johnson Bademosi S 23
39 Gary Barnidge TE 28
40 Josh Cooper WR 25
41 Eric Martin OLB 22
42 Jordan Poyer CB 22



Throw a dice on the rest. I'd keep the top 25 and would look to upgrade the rest and most of 20-25 too, if they are currently starters.


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I know it's only Madden, but it's probably somewhat/kinda accurate. At least a good starting point.

This is from Madden 25.




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I know it's only Madden, but it's probably somewhat/kinda accurate. At least a good starting point.

This is from Madden 25...

Joe Thomas 97
Alex Mack 91
Joe Haden 91
TJ Ward 90
Desmond Bryant 88
D'Qwell Jackson 87
Paul Kruger 87
Ahtyba Rubin 84
Phil Taylor 83
Mitchell Schwartz 83
Jabaal Sheard 82
Josh Gordon 81

Those are all the 80+ guys. Just for note they have Mingo at 76, and Richardson was 87.




You lost me once you said Richardson was 87. I doubt computer nerds sitting in a room coming up with rankings for Madden have much merit when it comes to actual football evaluation.

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I know it's only Madden, but it's probably somewhat/kinda accurate. At least a good starting point.

This is from Madden 25...

Joe Thomas 97
Alex Mack 91
Joe Haden 91
TJ Ward 90
Desmond Bryant 88
D'Qwell Jackson 87
Paul Kruger 87
Ahtyba Rubin 84
Phil Taylor 83
Mitchell Schwartz 83
Jabaal Sheard 82
Josh Gordon 81

Those are all the 80+ guys. Just for note they have Mingo at 76, and Richardson was 87.




You lost me once you said Richardson was 87. I doubt computer nerds sitting in a room coming up with rankings for Madden have much merit when it comes to actual football evaluation.




Did you keep reading? It mentions that it was a preseason ranking. It gets adjusted a few times a year. I'm not sure of his rating now, but I would bet it's significantly lower.

When that rating came out, we were all high on Richardson.

I think a lot of those are fair...

Funny you say a bunch of nerds... Do you read mock drafts or some of these guys who think they are future GM's blogs? THOSE guys aren't nerds?

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Funny you say a bunch of nerds... Do you read mock drafts or some of these guys who think they are future GM's blogs? THOSE guys aren't nerds? 




We have a few of those cool guys here.

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you mean like... guys that would actually try and go through and rank all the Browns players on the roster? Maybe using excel for sorting? or the code tag for formatting?

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