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Oh crap, just realized that Bradley is the coach of Carr in the senior bowl.
We might not have a shot at Manziel, Bridgewater, OR Carr.
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Does is bother anyone that Lombardi isn't taking part of the early activities of the Senior bowl ?
A lot of these guys will be 3rd and 4th round draft picks...Wouldn't he want to be getting a close look at these guys ?
Or maybe he's to busy with the HC search... Just wondering...
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Bills defensive coordinator Mike Pettine is also getting a second interview with the Browns. The meeting will take place tonight in Mobile, Alabama, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter.
Does this mean Banner/Haslam/Lombardi are in Mobile scouting too?
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Oh crap, just realized that Bradley is the coach of Carr in the senior bowl.
We might not have a shot at Manziel, Bridgewater, OR Carr.
Ugh.
Heard Carr is getting a ton of praise this week.
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Bills defensive coordinator Mike Pettine is also getting a second interview with the Browns. The meeting will take place tonight in Mobile, Alabama, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter.
Does this mean Banner/Haslam/Lombardi are in Mobile scouting too?
well, I doubt they are there on vacation 
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Bills defensive coordinator Mike Pettine is also getting a second interview with the Browns. The meeting will take place tonight in Mobile, Alabama, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter.
Does this mean Banner/Haslam/Lombardi are in Mobile scouting too?
I'm sorry to break it to you..but yes, those are our "football guys", our evaluators. Who else should be there? Those guys represent our football competency, they SHOULD be there
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I heard Ray Farmer was sent down and Lombardi wasn't... Heard it said a few times on KNR.... How reliable... I don't know.... just hear say... Would like to know for sure thou.
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Oh crap, just realized that Bradley is the coach of Carr in the senior bowl.
We might not have a shot at Manziel, Bridgewater, OR Carr.
Ugh.
Heard Carr is getting a ton of praise this week.
Doesn't surprise me one bit. Guy has an elite arm, very good scrambling ability, anticipates throws well, and actually reacts to what he sees pre-snap.
Honestly I think a lot of the negativity he's had heaped on him is related to who is brother is (or more to the point, *was*). I almost feel like his brother strutting around on the sideline is more a disservice to him than anything else.
There are three things that make me wary of Carr:
1) He was way off on some of his touch throws in the bowl game. I'm not sure if it was related to his shoulder injury in the first quarter but his rifle shots remained on target.
2) There are three QBs from the Mountain West conference that are getting top-100 conversation. Are all of their ratings overhyped? I like what I saw from Carr but how much was him playing vs. MWC?
3) I feel kind of crappy for this being an issue, but he has a very young son with serious digestive troubles. As a father of one with digestive issues myself, this really takes a physical and psychological toll on you. It's a real distraction for me and I don't know how much it would affect him.
One other thing that is maybe just how it comes across on screen and is not necessarily reality, but it sometimes feels a little like he is "forcing" what it means to be a QB... trying to be a leader, pump up the team, force accountability with his teammates... not sure how much of it is natural and how much is "this is how you play quarterback."
Other than that, I really like the guy. Man is he physically blessed or what. He threw this one seam/skinny post vs. San Jose St for a 35 yard TD strike... I think the ball rose about a yard and a half in the air at max and hit the receiver in the chest. What a beautiful throw.
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Personally I could care less who his brother is. So this is honesty.
While he is incredibly gifted he has some massive flaws that are not all teachable and necessary to being successful in the NFL.
His accuracy is very inconsistent, especially past 10 yards. He panics under pressure and rushes throws. He has nearly no touch on any of his passes. He struggled reading and adjusting to complex defenses. Though the least of my worries he also will have to adjust to being under center.
These are the issues busted quarterbacks always have IMO. It's great that he has freakish natural ability but it doesn't compute to success at QB in the NFL. I'd take a guy the complete opposite of him and win every time. I wouldn't consider him unless I'm a team with a Franchise QB in place.
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Steve, you know I respect your football knowledge, but I have to disagree w/you on Carr.
I would not touch him w/a ten foot pole.
The guy gets too nervous when pressured, His footwork falls apart and he becomes wildly inaccurate. He is not a gamer. He is not a leader. He is a wuss.
Reminds me of Timid and his brother. No thanks.
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Ok predator I know you are pretty detailed in your thoughts but come on what complex defenses has he faced, seriously?
His touch was spotty in the USC game after his injury, no doubt about it, but his accuracy is not spotty downfield. I didn't see that at all when he put something on the ball. He had a few bad overthrows on touch passes deep (after he was injured, as I said) but look at the first throw of the USC game. Read the blitz from the right side LB and nickel, and calmly stood on his spot and put a perfect teardrop over Adams' shoulder for a completion downfield. That is the kind of play Aaron Rodgers makes. If you want to see accuracy downfield, look at the bullet he put on Burse in the end zone on their second-to-last drive of the first half vs San Jose St. That was a special throw. Want to see accuracy from him, look at the out he threw on 4th and 3 for a first down 3rd quarter vs USC. I guarantee if Bridgewater (who I do think is overall a good pro prospect) tries that pass its a pick-6.
Vers, I do agree his feet stink and I think I said so when candyman brought it up a month or two ago. I think he might trust his arm strength too much. I don't see how you can say a guy who plays 3 1/2 quarters with an injured shoulder is a wuss. Maybe I don't understand what you mean.
None of the QBs in this class that I've seen anticipate throws as well as Carr. None of them help out with calls for the line as much as he does. None have as strong as an arm. People complain about him throwing too many screens but there's a difference between throwing a lot of screens as your passing game and throwing a lot of screens as your running game. I think that has gotten lost on people. The guy threw something like 547 passes this year. Even if you took out all his screens he still threw a lot of passes.
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Back to all-star game discussion. I think Mayock is off his nut comparing Borland to Keuchley.
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j/c: Here are some videos I saw with Ray Farmer in Mobile, AL being interviewed by Dustin Fox. These videos (and maybe more to come) center around what Farmer, as a talent evaluator, is looking for while watching practices and drills. I thought it was very informative and Farmer came across extremely smart and specific in exactly what he is looking for. Bottom line, I was very impressed by him in the few minutes available. Watching Senior Bowl Practice with Ray Farmerhttp://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-cen...2e-0c987a6d39ee Scouting Quarterbacks with Ray Farmerhttp://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-cen...2a-0b1e6fa28d2e
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So we are going to draft Logan Thomas because he shakes hands and talks to his teammates. 
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So we are going to draft Logan Thomas because he shakes hands and talks to his teammates.
Yes, we are.....in the sixth or seventh round.
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I would be sad if we drafted Logan Thomas.
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You never know, he could be a great TE
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Just popping in to say that what I've seen from Garoppolo at the Senior Bowl has been pretty good. Anyone who saw yesterday's coverage on NFLN saw him make a nice pass to a hole in the zone near the left sideline. Looking forward to the game on Saturday.
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Vers, I do agree his feet stink and I think I said so when candyman brought it up a month or two ago. I think he might trust his arm strength too much. I don't see how you can say a guy who plays 3 1/2 quarters with an injured shoulder is a wuss. Maybe I don't understand what you mean.
Steve, I probably was not clear.
What I meant was that Carr gets happy feet in the pocket when pressured. Once he is pressured, he keeps his happy feet even when there is pressure on a later play. His nervous footwork causes him to be off balance and he loses accuracy big time due to his poor feet.
The poor footwork is a direct result of him being gun shy. That is why I called him a wuss.
Steve, there is no way I draft a guy who has that issue.
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3 years he will be the best QB in this draft class. This gunshy stuff when the guy was already playing injured is laughable. Its like saying Boyd is gunshy because of the game against FSU when he was getting nailed before he could complete a 3 step drop. I have seem the Browns turn Brees into a gunshy QB and I have seen kurt warner afraid to take hit.
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Laughable? Best in the class?
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in 3 years no one will remember so we are where we are now lol.
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i do love this qb class but as I have been saying everyone has their warts. I feel there are about 8 qbs that really have franchise ability in this class. System, surrounding talent, a HC that believes in them and with most of this class health is the biggie.
I really feel the only 2 qbs out of this class that should probably be starting right away are manziel and Boyd. Bridgewater would do good to sit for a year and just work on his body and refine his game. He is probably the most mentally ready but physically he needs 30-40 lbs of mass.
I am much higher on Boyd than most as well as Carr. Bortles is hard for me to take as he does everything pretty good but he really doesnt blow me away with anything.
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Well, we all have our opinions. I'm surprised that you and I are seeing this class so differently. We typically see things in a similar light when it comes to evaluating talent. NO big deal..................just interesting.
Teddy: I think he is the most ready to come in and start. He is cerebral and that is the biggest thing in today's NFL.
Manziel: He might start. Make big plays. Make disasterous plays. I think he should sit a year.
Bortles: Sound, but he needs to develop. Needs to learn how to go through his progressions and look off the safeties.
Boyd: I live close by and the guy is erratic w/his accuracy and decision making.
Carr: I don't like a guy who looks scared in the pocket. Can't win w/a guy like that.
Again, just my opinion. We differ on the abilities of the guys in this class. We can debate, let's just keep it civil.
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I think, at least from the limited amount of footage on NFLN available yesterday, that Carr really separated himself in terms of timing, accuracy, and arm strength from Fales and Garoppolo. I'm to the point now where as long as one of Manziel, Carr, or Bridgewater are on the board when we pick then I am happy. I also think I'd prefer to trade back from 26. So many guys that could go from 20-80 that I like that I'd rather have a mid/late 2nd and a mid/late 3rd than 26. I think WR Lee and OT Martin will be gone by 26 and not sure I'd want to spend that pick on OG Yankey or OG Jackson.
My current list for round 1-4 QBs:
1) Manziel
2) Carr
3) Bridgewater
4) Mettenberger
(I haven't seen enough of Garoppolo to put him on the list. Same for Brett Smith)
Developmental/Late Round QBs:
1) Aaron Murray
2) Chase Rettig
3) Stephen Morris
4) Casey Pachall
Running Backs:
1) Tre Mason
2) Bishop Sankey
3) Lache Seastrunk
4) Terrance West
5) Carlos Hyde
6) James White
7) Antonio Andrews
8) Devanta Freeman
9) Adam Muema
10) Marcus Coker
Wide Receivers:
1) Marqise Lee
2) Sammy Watkins
3) Brandin Cooks
4) Allen Robinson
5) Davante Adams
6) Mike Evans
7) Martavis Bryant
8) Jordan Matthews
9) Robert Herron (is he sturdy enough to play in the slot?)
10) Josh Huff
Slot Receivers:
1) Odell Beckham, Jr.
2) Jared Abbrederis
3) Jeremy Gallon
4) Mike Campanaro
5) Chandler Jones
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Carr... Practices like Tarzan... plays like Jane.... Happy feet and breaks down under a pass rush.
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Jimmy Garappolo looking good in the Sr Bowl practice.
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Former Browns scout Daniel Jeremiah's wrap on the Senior Bowl: Quote:
Last year's Senior Bowl class produced a whopping 10 first-rounders, three top-five selections and the No. 1 overall pick. This year's crop won't come close to approaching those impressive feats. There are three reasons for the drop-off in talent at the nation's premier college all-star game.
1. Injuries forced many top prospects to pass on the Senior Bowl: Top talents like Michigan OT Taylor Lewan and UCLA LB Anthony Barr were among the 19 invited players that weren't healthy enough to participate.
2. Nine invited prospects made a "business" decision to stay at home: Alabama QB AJ McCarron made headlines prior to the week when he announced he would pass on the Senior Bowl opportunity on the advice of his agent. He wasn't the only player to make that choice. Top prospects C.J. Mosley and Khalil Mack were among the other healthy prospects that elected to pass on the Senior Bowl experience.
3. The upcoming draft will feature a record number of underclassmen: This Senior Bowl crop will be competing for draft positioning with one of the most talented underclassmen groups we've seen in a few years.
Potential first-rounders
While there likely won't be any top-10 picks to emerge from this year's game, I wouldn't be surprised if six players heard their name called in the first round of the upcoming NFL draft.
1. Zack Martin, OT, Notre Dame: He was outstanding all week long. He has enough athleticism to play tackle, but he has Pro Bowl potential as a guard.
2. Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh: His combination of quickness and power was a matchup nightmare for opposing offensive lineman. He doesn't have ideal size, but he held up well in the team and run periods.
3. Morgan Moses, OT, Virginia: He has ideal size and quick feet. He's not a great knee bender, but he held up well in 1-on-1 pass-rush drills. He creates a lot of space in the run game.
4. Ra'Shede Hagemen, DT, Minnesota: He had an up-and-down week, but he flashed enough to keep his name in the first-round conversation. He's a size/speed freak with a huge upside.
5. Derek Carr, QB, Fresno State: He was the best quarterback in Mobile, and teams that met with him really like what they heard. He has a big arm and he was accurate throughout the week.
6. Dee Ford, DE, Auburn: He was the most explosive edge rusher throughout the week. Most teams I've spoken with have him rated as a second-round prospect, but I wouldn't be surprised if he snuck into the bottom of the first round because of his pass-rush skills.
Odds and ends
Best position group: Offensive line
Worst position group: Running back
Stock on the rise: Weston Richburg, C, Colorado State
Stock on the decline: Cyril Richardson, OG, Baylor
Wildcard player: Seantrel Henderson, OT, Miami
Final thought
The Jacksonville Jaguars haven't had much to cheer about over the last few years. I believe that's going to change in the very near future. It was a pleasure to watch Gus Bradley coach during the week of practice. His enthusiasm is contagious, and he never stopped teaching from the first whistle of practice to the final horn. They have the right coach in place. Now it's up to GM David Caldwell to solve the quarterback situation. I really believe this team is headed in the right direction.
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Two guys that really intrigued me I hadn't watched were WR Herron from Wyoming and WR Campanaro from Wake Forest. Campanaro looks like a nice tough slot receiver. Herron has crazy moves off the line and reminded me of Desean Jackson.
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Campanaro is good, I've watched him multiple times over the last few years..... Seems to be a lot like Cooper though so I'm not sure how that would work out.. I will be curious to see what his 40 time is because he never struck me as particularly fast.
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He was really physical breaking free of the corners in 1-on-1s. He seems like he would play stronger than Cooper, but like I said he wasn't on my radar before Senior Bowl week.
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Clevesteve, sell me on this QB since you have seen him. Is he "take-able" as The Man in the first. I ahve real reservations about the elite hyped guys in the first. Is this like a Flacco type find potentially?
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Steve, you know I respect your football knowledge, but I have to disagree w/you on Carr.
I would not touch him w/a ten foot pole.
The guy gets too nervous when pressured, His footwork falls apart and he becomes wildly inaccurate. He is not a gamer. He is not a leader. He is a wuss.
Reminds me of Timid and his brother. No thanks.
I feel exactly the same way about him.
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Any chance you have some links to video of him at practice, I've not been able to see him during the practices.
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If we miss on bridgewater, and on jimmy I think I might be interested in Boyd in round 2 or 3. He does remind me a lot of big ben the more i watch him. I'd definitely want him to sit a year though.
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Are you saying Tajh Boyd reminds you of Roethlisberger? Because I don't get that at all. Maybe you meant Mettenberger or Bortles?
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Why because Mettenberger and Bortles are big white dudes?
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