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No, because Boyd is maybe 6ft tall and more similar to Russell Wilson, or more likely, Troy Smith, imo.

I think he meant style of play. Not body type. I have heard several people compare Wilson to Roethlisberger because of the way he plays (buys time finds a guy open downfield).

Probably because:
--Ben is huge, Boyd is not.
--Ben scrambles to buy time to throw, Boyd takes off on a scramble.
--Ben has a very strong arm, Boyd does not.
--Ben is accurate, Boyd is erratic.

That would be my take.

Don't know what was worse that pass or Tahj Boyd's stock after that pass.

Taj Boyd with an early INT.

Carr coming up.

Boyd has struggled throwing in the wind, His stock has probably hit round 4.

That drive was too easy.
Carr with protection may be a solid pick.

He is my #1 QB, Manziel 2 and Bridgewater 3. Warming up to Garoppolo too lol

I watched practice yesterday or Thursday. It was quite windy and Carr had ZERO issues slicing his throws through it.

Wish Garappolo had more size.
Carr is just way more poised and professional looking.

The thing i really do love with Garoppollo is how he throws when rolling out of the pocket.

Fales thows a TD and what a horrible pass lol. That looked like me throwing a ball.

Watching Jimmy move his eyes. He scans the field and makes quick decisions.

Dee Ford is making his case eh!

Haven't gotten to watch yet but following on my phone.

I think it's awesome each of the QBs are getting two drives in the first half.

The North has gone back to Boyd who's moving the team this time. Kind of boring so far.

Aaron Donald is going to be special in the NFL.

It's a shame Jimmy wasn't placed on the North team. I hate seeing him and Carr split time like this.

Taj Boyd has a Weeden like problem with batted down passes.

North QBS not looking good but that South D is like an SEC All Star team.

I think he'd have more reps than he currently does. Though I guess it does help that he doesn't have the North's line.

QBs in this game are awful.

Carr has looked quite professional to me.

WR screens. No pressure.

Threw the deep ball well, balls were where they should be.
With so little practice time it's hard to tell in these games.

I feel that Pierre Desir and Stanley Jean-Baptiste are really going to jump up a lot. Some of the biggest corners and played well this weekend.

Jean-Baptiste would be a real good one to go opposite Haden. The Bills really liked to get into the face and pressure receivers and he does that well.

Well, there was that play where the former scout, Daniel Jeremiah, got the play call from the coaching staff. It was supposed to be a deep pass. The guy was open, but Carr never looked his way and immediately checked down. Jeremiah even commented about Carr "padding his stats."

Look............I get why some of you guys like Carr. You like him for the same reasons you liked Weeden, Carr's older brother, Timid, etc, etc. He's big. He looks like a qb. He has a good arm. He can make all the throws. He put up huge numbers in college.

What many fail to study is how a guy performs when he is pressured. Will he stand in there? Does he maintain good mechanics? Does he stay accurate? Does he throw guys open or does he check down too early? Does he take needless sacks because he becomes discombobulated by the pressure?

Most seem to also ignore the mental part of the game. Does he read defenses pre-snap and audible to a good play or go w/the hot read? Can he make sight adjustments? Can he read coverages post snap? Can he play w/anticipation?

Carr is exactly the type of QB who many of you like, but will fall flat on his face in the pros. He has those tangible qualities that you all love, but he doesn't have the brains, the guts, or the other intangibles that separate looking like an NFL QB from actually being an effective NFL QB.

I have supported this current regime. I have argued w/the masses about giving them a chance. However, if they draft Carr in the first round..............I will be on the other side and bash them unmercifully. Heck, I might even give up on the Browns altogether.

We ABSOLUTELY can not bring in another Timid or Weeden. I want a smart guy. I want a gutty guy. I want a guy who makes plays. I don't want to hear about how bad our OL is and how our receivers suck and how our playcalling is the worst in the league AGAIN!!!

Draft Teddy or Manziel and be done w/it.

If we draft Carr, it will be similar to the Timid situation. We will be married to him because it is this particular regime who brought him in. We wasted two years on Weeden, but didn't have to marry ourselves to him because it was the previous FO who drafted him.

Do you not feel that a trend is starting toward taller CB's, all other skills being equal?...

Just Clicking

I didn't get to watch the game, anyone stand out?

I saw very little of it unfortunately, but I did watch some of the practices on NFLN. Donald looked good as did an OG for the North ( I forget his name but it started with an "L" , Lindner or something like that).

Here's one NFL.com writer's opinion:

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Senior Bowl: Biggest winners, losers from Saturday's game

MOBILE, Ala. -- A few things we learned from Saturday's Reese's Senior Bowl in a 20-10 win by the South squad:

1) Ford the week's big winner: Dee Ford is on another level as a prospect compared with just about anyone on either Senior Bowl roster. The Auburn defensive end probably helped his draft stock as much or more than any player, showing great first-step explosiveness off the edge all week in practice. Nothing changed when the lights came on.

2. Thomas' sack issues remain: Pocket presence remains an issue for Virginia Tech's Logan Thomas. The Cam-Newton-sized quarterback took as many sacks, five, as he had pass attempts. Credit him for being fearless in the pocket and seeking open receivers in the face of a rush, but at some point, he's got to learn to move within the pocket to buy himself an extra second of time to throw. He didn't do that Saturday.

3. Strong game by Borland: Wisconsin linebacker Chris Borland more than held his own against Senior Bowl-level competition. The 5-foot-11 fireplug made a game-high eight tackles and filled gaps between the tackles fearlessly. He made a tackle for loss and forced a fumble as well. The NFL Scouting Combine, where Borland's 40-yard dash will be the race of his life, figures to determine a lot about Borland's draft status.

Senior Bowl honors

Biggest game among the small-school prospects: Has to be Princeton defensive tackle Caraun Reid, who registered a pair of sacks on back-to-back plays in the third quarter against quarterback Logan Thomas of Virginia Tech. Reid helped himself a great deal in practice this week, showing the strength, size and power to fit nicely in an NFL 4-3 scheme.

Posterized: Miami offensive tackle Seantrel Henderson had a game to forget, allowing pressure around the edge get to the North quarterbacks. He had trouble with several rushers, primarily Dee Ford. North coach Mike Smith (Atlanta Falcons) had a quote that would make Henderson cringe: "This film is going to be scrutinized more than any tape they put out there."

Toughest throw of the day: David Fales' over-the-shoulder sideline completion to Vanderbilt's Jordan Matthews in the fourth quarter was a thing of beauty, and probably the most impressive completion of the night. Matthews, for his part, made a nice adjustment on the 33-yard reception, the longest of the day by either club.

Almost had it: Nebraska cornerback Stanley Jean-Baptiste just missed an interception in the first half. "I jumped a slant route, and I should have had it," said Jean-Baptiste, who drew a comparison to Seahawks star cornerback Richard Sherman from NFL Media senior analyst Gil Brandt early in the week. "That's a play I would normally make."

Good practice week, tough game: Georgia tight end Arthur Lynch had an outstanding week of practice and helped his draft stock but never really got involved in the South squad passing attack in making just one catch for 1 yard.

Tough practice week, good game: Auburn cornerback Chris Davis had some issues in coverage during the practice week, with two scouts noting to College Football 24/7 that he was holding receivers downfield too much, but he came up with one of three interceptions by the South squad, followed by a nifty return of 17 yards.

Best game by a late-arriving alternate: Colorado State tight end Crockett Gillmore only got one full practice in, plus a walk-through, but managed to pull in game-highs in catches (five) and yards (61), plus the first touchdown of the game.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...t-key-prospects

Another NFL.com opinion:

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Auburn's Dee Ford, Princeton's Caraun Reid stellar on defense

The Reese's Senior Bowl is viewed as the crown jewel of the college all-star season. NFL coaches and scouts scour the tape of this contest to determine which prospects have the skills to emerge difference makers at the next level. Given the significance scouts place on this contest, the performance and production weighs heavily in the draft evaluation down the road. Here are a few guys that caught my eye on Saturday:

Buzz-worthy

Auburn DE Dee Ford was the most dominant pass rusher in 1-on-1 and team drills throughout the week; he continued to overwhelm blockers with his exceptional first-step quickness and snap count anticipation. Ford racked up two sacks in the game, displaying spectacular disruptive skills off the edge, and earned game MVP honors. He seemingly lived in the backfield on passing plays, and few blockers were able to stay in front of him on speed rushes. With Ford also showing up as a credible run defender on early downs, he is building a strong case to be included in the conversation as a possible first-round selection in the 2014 NFL Draft.

Eastern Illinois QB Jimmy Garoppolo has jumped squarely on the radar of every NFL executive with his solid play over the past two weeks. He killed at the East-West Shrine Game and continued to impress with his consistent play during practices this week. Garoppolo showed exceptional footwork making throws inside the pocket, while also displaying remarkable athleticism and body control tossing the ball on the move. In addition, Garoppolo has made quick, decisive reads with the ball, showing a compact delivery and quick release. Although Garoppollo's play won't vault him into consideration as a franchise quarterback, there are several teams that will view him as an intriguing developmental prospect with starting potential based on his strong showing in Mobile.

Colorado State TE Crockett Gillmore was a late addition to the Senior Bowl roster, but he certainly boosted his draft stock with his standout performance on Saturday. The Rams' star had five catches for 61 yards and a score, displaying strong hands and underrated route skills. He complemented his impressive performance as a pass catcher, with a strong showing as a blocker on the edge. He repeatedly sealed the corner on perimeter runs and effectively neutralized his assigned defender on power plays between the tackles. Of course, scouts expected Gillmore to be a stout blocker at the point of attack based on his solid performance during the regular season, but doing it against the top players in the country will enhance his value in the minds of coaches searching for a traditional tight end in the draft.

Nebraska CB Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Utah CB Keith McGill entered the week viewed as two of the most intriguing cornerback prospects in the draft based on their physically imposing frames. The duo didn't disappoint scouts in attendance with their play, as each showed better than anticipated cover skills and awareness in the Senior Bowl. Jean-Baptiste made a few plays on the ball utilizing "off" technique, which is surprising considering his size suggests he would be better served to play press coverage at the line of scrimmage. McGill also displayed solid cover skills on the perimeter. He quickly exploded out of his pedal to record a knockdown in the third quarter, showcasing his short area burst and anticipation. McGill later added a game-clinching interception in the fourth quarter to seal the deal. With Jean-Baptiste and McGill flashing adequate cover skills in space, teams looking for big, athletic corners with movement skills will take a long, hard look at the duo leading up to the draft.

Princeton DT Caraun Reid had a solid overall week of practice, but his standout performance in the Senior Bowl game will earn him a hard look from scouts looking for an interior defender with quickness and rush skills. The 6-foot-2, 270-pound defender racked up a pair of sacks on back-to-back plays that showcased his speed, burst and hand skills. Reid defeated Baylor's Cyril Richardson using a quick arm over at the line of scrimmage to notch a sack. He followed it with a butt-and-jerk maneuver on the subsequent play that showcased his sneaky strength and power on the inside. As more teams utilize quick interior defenders on nickel and sub packages, Reid could be viewed as an enticing option based on his solid play in the game.

Buzz-kill

The quarterbacks on the North squad (Miami's Stephen Morris; Clemson's Tajh Boyd and Virginia Tech's Logan Thomas) didn't leave a favorable lasting impression on NFL scouts with their play in the Senior Bowl. Each signal caller struggled to find their rhythm within the pocket and their inconsistencies prevented the North team from moving the ball down the field. Watching Morris, in particular, I was disappointed with his lack of accuracy and ball placement. He repeatedly missed open receivers at intermediate range, and tossed a pair of interceptions in the fourth quarter.

Boyd also delivered an underwhelming performance, with a pair of batted balls raising concerns about his height and ability to find passing lanes between big bodies. Additionally, Boyd tossed an interception on an underthrown deep ball following a double move. The ball was not only woefully off target, but it lacked the kind of velocity and zip that is needed to complete deep tosses against NFL-caliber defenders in the backend.

Thomas didn't have the miscues of his quarterback brethren, but he held onto the ball too long, resulting in a number of sacks for the North. Now, Thomas isn't solely responsible for the negative plays in the backfield, but a quarterback with better awareness and anticipation would find a way to get the ball out of his hands before the rush draws near. Overall, the play of the trio will lead to more questions about the NFL potential of each in draft rooms across the league.

Follow Bucky Brooks on Twitter @BuckyBrooks.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...-out-on-defense

I wasn't saying not to get a corner. It was more of a question.

Personally, I was kinda hoping we get a QB, an ILBer, and a guard/or RT in rounds 1 and 2.

you don't think another WR would be more important than an ILB?

imo, i think Robertson is servicable, definitely needs to be upgraded, but we have no WR even close to Gordon's talent level, and it be nice if we had a WR take some looks his way.