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Recently, we've done a good job of trading 3's and 4's for #2's, 4's and 5's for #3's, etc...
There are an awful lot of good 2nd and 3rd rounders in this draft.
The variables are endless.
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Hey, its possible.
What if Clowney is there at #4 and the Falcons really wanted him?
So, we trade out and we are at 6
What if someone sees the opportunity to get a franchise left tackle, or possibly Sammy at #6?
We trade out of #6
We end up with a boatload of good-great players in this draft.
We are set for next years draft.
It could be the thing that turns this franchise around.
The more I think about it, the more I like it.
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Yea When you put it that way... 
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This report of the Browns being interested in Derek Carr has me wondering if they'll attempt to trade down with someone to snag an extra pick or two. Derek Carr as of now isn't worth a 4th overall pick but maybe Cleveland could swap with Minnesota at #8 (while obtaining their 2nd round pick in the process) and still grab an elite player at #8 (Anthony Barr, Jake Matthews or possibly even Sammy Watkins).
I also envision a scenario where Minnesota, Oakland or Tennessee trades up to #2 with St. Louis and drafts a QB. What happens if the top three picks are Bortles, Manziel and Bridgewater? Jadaveon Clowney in Cleveland? Could it happen? It's not THAT crazy of a scenario either honestly. If Houston passes on Clowney and takes a QB their is a decent chance he makes it to #4.
Lots of scenarios...
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If they draft Carr before the 3rd round, many of the really bright guys on this board will immediately throw in the towell on Farmer. It will be a Weeden at 22 moment.
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I actually like Carr more than most here do. I don't know if I would take him at #26. It would depend upon how events unfolded in the draft. If the Browns traded back and picked up another second rounder in the draft, I might consider it. I would probably wait and get the QB later but I couldn't say for sure.
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Unfortuantely this isn't the wizard of oz so we cant send Carr down a yellow brick road to find his courage. You can't teach courage and carr has none. He folds under blitz pressure like a wet paper towel.
Yes he throws a nice ball and is intelligent ... until you start blitzing him and hitting him around a bit and then he crumbles..
I dont want anything to do with him.
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Hey, its possible.
What if Clowney is there at #4 and the Falcons really wanted him?
So, we trade out and we are at 6
What if someone sees the opportunity to get a franchise left tackle, or possibly Sammy at #6?
We trade out of #6
Very Possible....but we cant go or pass up on Sammy Watkins, if we do our new FO has no clue about talent and how it's used & needed on the NFL level. I;d be all for trading out of # 4 and moving back to 6th for lets say another 2nd or a 3rd & 5th but thats as far as I fall unless Sammy is gone
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Unfortunately this isn't the wizard of oz so we cant send Carr down a yellow brick road to find his courage. You can't teach courage and Carr has none. He folds under blitz pressure like a wet paper towel.
Sure you can. I've even explained what I would do. By the time he saw the field, he'd have mastered six disciplines of the martial arts.
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Yes he throws a nice ball and is intelligent ... until you start blitzing him and hitting him around a bit and then he crumbles..
I don't want anything to do with him.
I wouldn't mind him all that much. He's got tools that can be utilized.
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Unfortuantely this isn't the wizard of oz so we cant send Carr down a yellow brick road to find his courage. You can't teach courage and carr has none. He folds under blitz pressure like a wet paper towel.
Yes he throws a nice ball and is intelligent ... until you start blitzing him and hitting him around a bit and then he crumbles..
I dont want anything to do with him.
LOL. Love the Wizard of Oz reference and I can promise you that I have never said that before, ever.
I could not agree with you more on Carr. One who fears a college pass rush will wilt in the NFL.
And I have a hard time believing that the Cleveland FO would tip their hand so obviously this far before the draft.
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I am beginning to think Farmer knows who he wants at QB and that guy isn't at the top of the 1st round.
I think we either take one of the backers, or we trade down a bit. The #4 pick seems to be positioned to get a lot of trade action if we offer. At that position there is probably going to be the top receiver, a top qb, maybe Clowney, and 2 great Linebackers, or minus one of the mentioned players, but then add in the top LT if the Rams trade down. I think there would be multiple teams seeking to get that pick, and the more teams involved, the higher the price.
I think there is a good chance we move down, pick up another 2nd and a 1st next year....maybe even a little more this year.
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Hey, its possible.
What if Clowney is there at #4 and the Falcons really wanted him?
So, we trade out and we are at 6
What if someone sees the opportunity to get a franchise left tackle, or possibly Sammy at #6?
We trade out of #6
We end up with a boatload of good-great players in this draft.
We are set for next years draft.
It could be the thing that turns this franchise around.
The more I think about it, the more I like it.
If we could move from #4 to #6 and obtain a 2nd round pick in the process from Atlanta I would make that swap in a heart beat. We'll still get a quality player.
Moving again from #6 down to say #8 and getting a 2nd or 3rd round pick from Minnesota would be fantastic as well.
Again at #8 we could still potentially land a quality player (Anthony Barr, Jake Matthews, ect.)
We could do A LOT with 3x 2nd round picks...
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I agree with your thought, but I don't think we have two 2nd round picks at this point. The 3rd and 4th rounds is where we have multiple picks.
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I think he means if we trade down
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These are all good but if Clowney is there I think we take him, if not we trade down and take Watkins or Mack. With the extra picks we may be able to secure another 2nd round pick.
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I didn't catch him trading down twice. I was stuck on one trade down.
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we should keep weeden rather than drafting carr. I don't like weeden but I dislike carr even more. I can't remember a qb looking as bad as he did in his bowl game. ever!
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He, he
I was thinking last night, does Carr have any chance of being as good a Quarterback as DA?
My opinion was NO
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If we could move from #4 to #6 and obtain a 2nd round pick in the process from Atlanta I would make that swap in a heart beat. We'll still get a quality player.
Moving again from #6 down to say #8 and getting a 2nd or 3rd round pick from Minnesota would be fantastic as well.
Again at #8 we could still potentially land a quality player (Anthony Barr, Jake Matthews, ect.)
We could do A LOT with 3x 2nd round picks...
My feeling is that we could do better than this. Maybe not, but a guy can dream.
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I'm not sure anyone stated...
I think the first three picks will be Clowney, Robinson, and Bridgewater.
If I were the Browns, trade down a couple getting a second and/or third passing on Bortles or Manziel. With their first, Browns take either Anthony Barr or Khalil Mack.
I don't normally like taking a receiver in the first round, but if the two LB's are gone, Browns need a serious look at Mike Evans. It is not every day you can get 6'5" receiver. Mike makes a nice tandem with Gordon.
With the second first round pick at 26, I like TE Eric Ebron. Having Eric and Jordon playing TE would be crazy. It would be even more spectacular had Browns grabbed Mike Evans with their first pick.
Second round I take one of the three QB's Carr, Garoppolo, or Boyd. If you add Ebron and/or Evans, you can go a little light on QB talent.
If Browns did not get Evans in the first, I grab receiver Allen Robinson. Otherwise, you can't have enough depth at CB, so I add Kyle Fuller or Bradley Roby.
In the third, I take ILB Shayne Skov or Yawin Smallwood.
Other third round, Browns need a RB and I go Terrance West.
In the fourth, it's time to beef up the interior lines, I'm adding DT Caraun Reid or Ryan Carrethers. With the other fourth, I take either OG John Urschel or Ryan Groy.
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Interesting poll by ESPN/Pat McManamon on the fans choice for the pick. This was posted on February 26th: http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/4249/poll-results-watkins-wins-overwhelminglySay this about those who vote in Cleveland Browns polls: They speak with a united, loud voice. After more than 4,400 votes about the Browns' selection with the fourth overall pick, 57 percent voted for receiver Sammy Watkins of Clemson. That’s an enormous result when five realistic options are presented. Watkins received more votes than the other four combined. The strength of the result is surprising. Though I’ve advocated for Watkins, I thought the feelings for the quarterbacks would carry the vote. In the business, this is called “having your finger on the pulse.” Clearly there is fan concern about the top three quarterbacks, and clearly the voters feel much stronger about an offensive weapon than a pass-rusher. Perhaps it is becoming a passing league. The positives about Watkins are many. As coach Mike Pettine said, he’s a dynamic playmaker who can score any time he touches the ball. Like Josh Gordon, he’s big and fast. The combination of the two with Jordan Cameron at tight end would, in Watkins’ words, create nightmares for the defense. The negatives: He’s not a quarterback, and with a draft rich in receivers, the Browns could still wind up with a good receiver later in the first round or early in the second or third if they choose to go with a quarterback first. One potential negative was scoffed at by Pettine, who said the “last thing” he worries about is keeping everyone happy in an offense that would include Gordon and Watkins. Clearly those who voted like the potential pairing of the two, a pairing that on paper at least could make any quarterback better. The votes reflect the public feeling about the top quarterbacks. All have talent; all have questions. Central Florida’s Blake Bortles finished second with 14 percent of the vote, even though he may take the longest to be NFL ready. Bortles’ size simply cannot be ignored. He finished just ahead of Johnny Manziel (13 percent) and Teddy Bridgewater (11). Defensive end Jadeveon Clowney -- whose potential seems every bit as great as Watkins’ -- received just 5 percent of the vote. Manziel didn’t even carry Texas, where Watkins had 42 percent to Manziel’s 19. Watkins carried 45 states and was tied in three others. The only states he didn’t carry were the great states of Montana and Delaware, where Bortles and Clowney received the sole vote cast. The voters turned a deaf ear to the hype about Manziel and Clowney. After going through the “next greatest thing” deal for so long, maybe Cleveland has become cynical to the chatter. What it does not seem cynical about is the offensive potential with Watkins and Gordon lining up on the same team.
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With the second first round pick at 26, I like TE Eric Ebron...
bugs: I don't think Ebron lasts to #26. At this spot, you may have to select your WR or QB...
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With the second first round pick at 26, I like TE Eric Ebron...
bugs: I don't think Ebron lasts to #26. At this spot, you may have to select your WR or QB...
Every mock draft I've seen has Ebron going before #20. Not sure he lasts until #26 but even if he does not sure I would wanna use such a high pick on a back up tight end. #26 needs to be a CB,LB, WR or RG (assuming QB is the pick at #4).
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... (assuming QB is the pick at #4).
I sure hope so, but as time passes, it is seming less likely that is the pick...
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... (assuming QB is the pick at #4).
I sure hope so, but as time passes, it is seming less likely that is the pick...
I guess as time passes we all of a sudden don't need a qb? I just don't get it. I really really don't. Talk of people wanting Mack. I understand we lost dq but why the heck would we take a olb? We have 3 already.
Watkins? Luxury pick we can not afford. Trade for teddy. Teddy or Johnny or hate to say it bortles. Any other pick and we are set back again.
We need a qb now folks. Quit smoking da stuff and realize this. We can't risk hoping hoyer is the answer. We need a qb. Are we watching the same team here? Bpa sometimes. Not this time. We have a chance to grab one. Watkins would be nice. But we had a pro bowler wr and te and our qbs still suck.
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McManamon has been pimping Watkins in that column since the off-season started. Of course the people who read and vote on such a thing would pick Watkins.
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I disagree that not taking a QB at 4 is a "setback"
You are still adding high quality players to a team that isn't as bad as some would have you believe.
If the FO isn't interested in trading up, and don't like who's available at 4. Then they have so many options. To say its a failure because they don't take someone there is silly.
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Hey, its possible.
What if Clowney is there at #4 and the Falcons really wanted him?
So, we trade out and we are at 6
What if someone sees the opportunity to get a franchise left tackle, or possibly Sammy at #6?
We trade out of #6
We end up with a boatload of good-great players in this draft.
We are set for next years draft.
It could be the thing that turns this franchise around.
The more I think about it, the more I like it.
If we could move from #4 to #6 and obtain a 2nd round pick in the process from Atlanta I would make that swap in a heart beat. We'll still get a quality player.
Moving again from #6 down to say #8 and getting a 2nd or 3rd round pick from Minnesota would be fantastic as well.
Again at #8 we could still potentially land a quality player (Anthony Barr, Jake Matthews, ect.)
We could do A LOT with 3x 2nd round picks...
If we can't get bridgewater then I firmly believe trading down is the best case scenario. Out side of QB there is just a ton of talent in this draft.
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I disagree that not taking a QB at 4 is a "setback"
You are still adding high quality players to a team that isn't as bad as some would have you believe.
If the FO isn't interested in trading up, and don't like who's available at 4. Then they have so many options. To say its a failure because they don't take someone there is silly.
Unlike most here I respect other opinions. I like u feel our team is better than most think. But missing the glaring need of a qb. Coming away with a project later in the draft would be a failure I believe.
We are in position to get at least one of the top 2 qbs. If clowney goes first I say St. Louis would be a willing trade partner. I just wish the draft was before when I have to renew my season tickets I have had. Sick of our qb play since...... Forever it seems. It the team doesn't feel that way. Well the browns look good on my tv and would save me a four hr drive to watching the same ol same ol.
2 months ago everyone here knew qb is top priority. Combine doesn't change a thing. That's just my season ticket holder opinion.
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I guess as time passes we all of a sudden don't need a qb? I just don't get it.
I certainly didn't mean to imply that. I was simply stating what I have gauged from many other sources. IMO, Teddy is our guy; if not, trade down...
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I think guys like Manziel and Bortles are projects, Do you take a project at 4, or take a player that can help you now and a different project later?
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Normally, no projects that high...
but we're talking about QBs. Different set of rules for those guys.
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Bridgewater ready now. All in for him. Trade up for him. Want no part of bortles. I'd roll with Johnny at 4. If they do t want Johnny I'd try and trade down and pick up another first next year. That way when we are in the top 5 again we can use it for best qb then.
We can get teddy this year. Do it. Want absolutely no part of Carr or any other qb later. Tired of settling for second class hope they are good qbs. McCoy fry weeden etc.
If we go Carr I'm donating my tickets cause they will have been bought by then. Why not? At end of every year my tickets are worth squat. Why would I drive up there to see our fans boo who ever is qb.
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Thats what i say too.
If we get 2 BPA's in the first round i will be happy, (but not Clowney -attitude, not Carr-see below, not Manziel -see below, not Roby- i've seen Roby's every game his talents are smoke and mirrors over the last 2 yrs.)
Top OT (Greg Robinson, Taylor Lewan, Louis Nix) to let Shwartz move to guard, or even 2nd receiver (Mike Evans, Marqise Lee, Jordan Matthews, Allen Robinson, or my fav from fresno state Davante Adams-hes why Carr's stats look good- the only reason IMHOP), or C.J. Mosley.
If you add Tate to that in free agency or draft RB from OSU Carlos Hyde (or one of the other non fumbling runners) or BOTH , i think Hoyer can manage the game just fine.
The only QB i want is Bridgewater. He is the only QB in my opinion that should be first round if we cant get him go BPA,
(Johnny football clearly has the talent but i think NFL hits from his running will injure him-there is no space to run in the NFL like college FB). He's Fran Tarkenton 2.0 but the defensive players are much quicker today.
Nobody wants to draft the linemen. Draft a top one get another in 3-4th round or FA. With those linemen, 2 good RBs and another WR, our "O" will score points.
use the remaning six picks on D if you need to.
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LOL..............Brown's fans have been on the money in the past.
They loved it when we took Leon.
They thought we were smart for drafting Frye and Colt outside of the first round.
They were thrilled that we traded up for TRich.
They defended the Weeden pick.
They clamor for a WR every freaking year. We keep drafting them and we keep losing them.
They were happy that we passed on Big Ben and Rodgers.
Then, they defend Chud by saying he didn't have a chance because he didn't have a QB. And now, they want to pass on yet another opportunity to draft a franchise QB and grab a WR who will be the number 2 WR.
Yeah, they are brilliant.
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Hey, its possible.
What if Clowney is there at #4 and the Falcons really wanted him?
So, we trade out and we are at 6
What if someone sees the opportunity to get a franchise left tackle, or possibly Sammy at #6?
We trade out of #6
We end up with a boatload of good-great players in this draft.
We are set for next years draft.
It could be the thing that turns this franchise around.
The more I think about it, the more I like it.
If we could move from #4 to #6 and obtain a 2nd round pick in the process from Atlanta I would make that swap in a heart beat. We'll still get a quality player.
Moving again from #6 down to say #8 and getting a 2nd or 3rd round pick from Minnesota would be fantastic as well.
Again at #8 we could still potentially land a quality player (Anthony Barr, Jake Matthews, ect.)
We could do A LOT with 3x 2nd round picks...
If we can't get bridgewater then I firmly believe trading down is the best case scenario. Out side of QB there is just a ton of talent in this draft.
I think these next few weeks are going to say a ton about our draft day. I can easily see the scenario where this front office looks at the incredible depth of this draft class and says "let's field high quality low cost rooks". Groom them for a year and have everyone on board for a playoff run next year.
Then again, I could just be losing my mind due to a lack of football on Sunday. I really need to quit getting mad and deleting my recordings so I can have something to watch this time of year.
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After more than 4,400 votes about the Browns' selection with the fourth overall pick, 57 percent voted for receiver Sammy Watkins of Clemson.
That’s an enormous result when five realistic options are presented.
Watkins received more votes than the other four combined The Poll takers thought it was about a Fantasy Football Draft... 
I like Sammy a lot - but its a settle pick. Not a goal and target.
All that would make us is the most exciting bad team in football. 
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off!
Go Browns!
CHRIST HAS RISEN!
GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
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