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Here is a draft I did. I bet this is actually pretty close to what will happen, which I'd be ok with.

Round 1 Pick 4: Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M (A-)
Round 1 Pick 26: C.J. Mosley, ILB, Alabama (A)
Round 2 Pick 3: Odell Beckham, WR, LSU (A-)
Round 3 Pick 7: Carlos Hyde, RB, Ohio State (A)
Round 3 Pick 19: Ed Reynolds, FS, Stanford (A-)
Round 4 Pick 6: Travis Swanson, C, Arkansas (A)
Round 4 Pick 27: Anthony Steen, OG, Alabama (B+)
Round 5 Pick 5: Lache Seastrunk, RB, Baylor (A)
Round 6 Pick 4: Devin Street, WR, Pittsburgh (A-)
Round 7 Pick 3: Michael Sam, DE, Missouri (A)

4 QB TEDDY BRIDGEWATER LOUISVILLE
26 TE ERIC EBRON UNC
35 CB KYLE FULLER VIRGINIA TECH
71 ILB SHAYNE SKOV STANFORD
83 G ANTHONY STEEN ALABAMA
102 S DION BAILEY USC
123 C MARCUS MARTIN USC
133 ILB LAMIN BARROW LSU
164 RB DE'ANTHONY THOMAS OREGON
195 OT CORNELIUS LUCAS KANSAS STATE

Here is my dream draft. While TE isn't a huge concern, Ebron falling to us and numerous CBs on the board allowed me to pick BPA with CB benig our round 2 pick. Pairing Ebron/Cameron/Gordon/anyone, would allow numerous options for Teddy.

I also doubt Dion falls that far, I even reached for him according to the fanspeak boards but if we get him in the 4th we should be thrilled. Lucas is a huge man so I took a flier on him, as well as Barrow being an all around attacking LB.

Certainly my last draft on that site because I don't want to jinx it.

If Ebron fell I would take him for sure. I probably would have drafted a WR or another RB instead of one of the OL or a 2nd ILB. But I like the draft. If this happened I would be happy

Walterfootball has us taking Watkins and Carr...

But then also has us taking another WR in the 3rd.. Which I think is rediculous...

With the addition of Hawkins, I think I'd rather take one of the bigger WRs with the 26 or 2nd round pick for the outside.

Plus I really don't want Carr...

The more I think about it, the more I don't see us taking a QB at 4. I'm starting to believe that Carr, McCarron or Garoppolo will be the group of QBs they pick from. There's a decent chance Bortles & Teddy will be gone by the time we pick anyway, and I certainly don't see them trading up to get either. I think they take Sammy, Clowney or if they're gone, trade down with a team that covets a tackle or one of the "top 3" QBs.

Would it be so terrible if the first four rounds went something like this:

Round 1 Pick 8 (MINN): Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson
Round 1 Pick 26: Derek Carr, QB, Fresno State
Round 2 Pick 3: David Yankey, OG, Stanford
Round 2 Pick 8 (MINN): Terrence Brooks, FS, Florida State
Round 3 Pick 7: Stanley Jean-Baptiste, CB, Nebraska
Round 3 Pick 8 (MINN): Carlos Hyde, RB, Ohio State
Round 3 Pick 19: Shayne Skov, ILB, Stanford
Round 4 Pick 6: Yawin Smallwood, ILB, Connecticut
Round 4 Pick 27: Travis Swanson, C, Arkansas

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Walterfootball has us taking Watkins and Carr...

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More and more I believe this is what will actually happen. And since I do not know, at this point in time, who will actually be available I think I'd be fine with these two guys.

When I watched Carr play , he was the King of the dump off and happy feet .. In just don't see the love !

.. " just that this specific beaten-to-death criticism of Carr's body of work is total crap."

Well I guess you will have to refer to me as the Crappy Poster from now on

Just a joke Cleve , I am not a big fan of Carr ( I now , surprise / surprise ) I don't think he is prepared for the reads or quick decisions he will have to make at the next level .. Going to take a lot of sacks and throw a ton of INT's early on .. Can he develop into a quality NFL QB ????????

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Can he develop into a quality NFL QB?

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He has the tools you look for starting with arm and athleticism. He can make all the throws. The one knock may be how he plays under pressure, but I won't judge him based on one game. He has the potential, IMHO, to be really good. He needs reps taking snaps from under center. I would be okay taking him and sitting him behind Hoyer, thinking that Hoyer's quicker release and ability to go through his projections will wear off on him.

I didn't write this but figured I would share it since it was written by professional NFL scouts and they seem to see the same things I do:


Here's Scouts Inc analysis:

Carr: When Carr doesn't have to deal with pressure, he can be a very effective quarterback. He has pretty quick feet and can be very accurate on short and intermediate throws. That's why it isn't surprising that he's performed well this week in Mobile, as he isn't facing any fear of pressure in the drills. He has shown well in practices, doing exactly what you'd want to see out of him.

But the problem we're seeing when we watch Carr on tape is that his mechanics and throwing accuracy fail when pressure is a threat. We've studied seven tapes of him over a two-season span, and we've seen him consistently have trouble dealing with the pass rush. Additionally, his footwork can be sloppy at times, and he has some significant work to do on his lower-body mechanics.

In our experience, unless there's a specific reason for struggles while in college (and Carr had an ideal situation at Fresno State, with a good offensive coaching staff and skill-position players around him), performances at all-star games like the Senior Bowl should never trump what stands out about a player on tape. Which is why, even as he shines this week in Mobile, we have some concerns about Carr's game.

Garoppolo: Having come from a small school, there's a lot less known about Garoppolo, but he certainly has NFL scouts intrigued. We saw him at the East-West Shrine Game, and he stood out as the best QB there. We've watched only two tapes on him so far, but we liked what we've seen. He's light on his feet, has sound mechanics and a quick release. And while he doesn't have a big-time arm, his arm strength is adequate and he can make all the NFL throws.

He has flashed anticipation as a passer this week in Mobile, but what has really stood out is his ability to marry his feet with his eyes, making him always ready to get the ball out as he goes through his progressions. He underwhelmed us on Wednesday after good showings Monday and Tuesday, but there are reasons to excuse that a bit, seeing as how he's in the midst of his second consecutive week of All-Star game practices, which can drain on you both physically and mentally. (A quarterback makes a ton of throws at these events.)

The bottom line for us is that we're excited to study Garoppolo further (in particular, we'll be looking to see how he fares throwing the ball in bad-weather games, given his small hand size), but the limited amount we've seen so far makes us think that he could be a potential NFL starter. If teams end up feeling the same about him -- or Carr -- that could go a long way toward shaping the second tier of QBs in this draft.

Read more: http://thevikingnation.proboards.com/thr...8#ixzz2wQcSMPqn


Also this is the article that started me into researching Jimmy back in November. I think its a great read if you haven't already.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20131113/jimmy-garoppolo-eastern-illinois/

And on the other side of the coin:

https://accuscore.com/sports-betting-system/nfl-analysis/flacco-kaepernick-scouts-draft-rating

Scouts Inc – Clausen Better than Kaepernick and Flacco

“People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones”

When your business is making sports predictions and forecasting you definitely live in a big, fat, glass house so it’s probably not smart to point out other people’s mistakes when you probably have plenty of bad predictions to attack in your own history. But with the Super Bowl coming up and then the NFL Draft I had to see just how bad draft gurus can really be.

ESPN spent millions of dollars to buy Scouts Inc. No position is more important in sports than Quarterback in the NFL. There is a ton of material (film, interviews, combine, etc.) that scouts can use to grade Quarterbacks. If your business is 99% based on the NFL and 99% of your NFL business is based on your ability to scout players, and QB is the most important position to get right, you would think you would be better at it than some of these numbers would indicate.

Heading into the Super Bowl Joe Flacco has a chance to tie Joe Montana’s post-season TD record while throwing no INTs. Flacco has won playoff games in every year of his career and has the most road playoff wins in history and I believe the Ravens have the best overall record in the league since Flacco was drafted 18th. Colin Kaepernick has taken the NFL by storm after just 9 starts. Many widely respected experts claim he has the highest ceiling of any QB in the league.

The physical tools of both players are incredibly obvious. You don’t need to have played QB at any point in your life to see Flacco is big and has the strongest arm in the league. Kaepernick’s arm strength, size, and speed are unique to say the least. When scouting these players you cannot use physical traits as the reason why they were underrated (see Russell Wilson).

Kaepernick played at Nevada in the Pistol Offense and Flacco played at Delaware. It’s obvious in hindsight that the perceived lack of competition and/or playing in an offense that won’t translate to the NFL was the reason why both players were not rated in the Top 13 of QBs since 2008.

What is unforgiveable when you look at this list is some of the names that are highlighted in red. Blaine Gabbert put up gaudy numbers vs bad teams, but in 2 bowl games vs Navy and Iowa (not exactly SEC quality defenses) he lost twice and threw 4 INTs vs just 2 TDs. The Big 12 was one of the worst defensive conferences where everyone was running the spread. Kaepernick’s performance vs the better teams he faced (Boise State, BYU, etc.) was vastly better than Gabbert’s. It’s not just that Gabbert was rated better than Kaepernick, it is the fact that Scouts had Gabbert as close to perfect with a score of 96 while Kaepernick is at 81 (27th best). {Emphasis theirs, not mine}

Mark Sanchez and Brian Brohm are #7 and #9 on the list. At a score of 95 and 93 they are rated better than Flacco (and Cam Newton). Sanchez only started one year at USC and is a southern California kid who never played a game in bad weather before going to the NFL. As a Freshman he was accused of rape but his great defense of being blind drunk worked. Scouts’ own analysis says “Sanchez's deep ball tends to float on occasion… Arm strength is adequate but not great.” Questionable decisions off the field and a weak arm… perfect for playing in a pressure cooker like New York City and in the bad weather AFC East, wouldn’t you say? I would think that these weaknesses would merit a lot more than 5 points from perfect. Was he so friggin accurate and such a great leader to merit near perfection? Even Pete Carroll thought he wasn’t ready for the NFL.

Brian Brohm was in the same draft class as Joe Flacco. He was being evaluated right alongside Joe Flacco. The physical edge that Flacco has over Brohm should have been obvious. Brohm played in the Big East which is a weak conference that an elite QB would dominate. Brohm has 12 INTs and in road games vs South Florida, West Virginia, and UConn the guy threw 7 INTs vs just 4 TDs. I also remember Brohm had a pretty weak arm by NFL standards.

*Left out some content due to masked profanity*

Here is a list of their QB ratings.



Here is my common sense, unprofessional opinion of Gabbert:

https://www.dawgtalkers.net/showflat.php?...true#Post810104

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I don't understand why someone who only manages 16 TDs on 475(!) passing attempts and has below a 2:1 TD/INT ratio in a conference that doesn't play defense in an offense that doesn't run the ball is a top 10 pick.

Call me crazy.

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I'm not a big fan of Carr, I'd rather wait and see if we can grade Murray or the Alabama QB in the 3rd round, or jimmy G.

I'd rahter not reach again just becuase it's the QB postion and we need one, I'd rather go after value and look for a Guard / ILB or CB with the # 26 pick, grab the player out of those 3 positons you have rated the highest, we need all three,.

Carr at # 26 will be a mistake,

It's interesting how Carr gets knocked for his poor showing against USC but not a word is mentioned about Garoppolo being destroyed by lowly B.G. I wouldn't judge either based on one game, but to see Carr's stock falling and Jimmy's rising is kinda strange.

I don't dislike Carr because of one game, or two. I do not like how he seems to panic with pressure. The pressure he faced in college is light years behind what he would see in the NFL.

I'm not commenting on your like or dislike of Carr, just the crazy way Garoppolo's stock has jumped after he was taken apart by a MAC school. Carr on the other hand has done nothing but show consistency up to and including the Senior Bowl. If NFL pressure is light years ahead of Carr's competition, it must be dozens of light years ahead of BG's.

I didn't mean to imply that you singled me out. I get that your statement was more general and I get what you're saying. I was just commenting and I see now that it came out somewhat defensive. Not my intent.

As to Jimmy G ... Haven't commented on him as I haven't seen him play. But he does seem to be getting some love.

Zagura and Carucci's mock draft

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...cd-f1809ef64f06

this is interesting.. both have Teddy available when we pick at 4 and both have us passing on him

Man, Carucci must really like Bridgewater, having him drafted by both Oakland AND Minnesota.

Why would you believe Travis Swanson C, Arkansas would be available in the 4th round.

No, actually they corrected the mistake. I figured that's what they meant but yesterday it had bridge at both 5 and 8.

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I am amazed at how lax the proofreading is sometimes with the online articles.

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I totally missed it because when I looked at it, the thing that got to me was that we picked at 4 and Teddy was still there and according to these guys, we won't pick him.

So I didn't look any further until it was brought up today.

But think about it, that website is late getting news up. you'd think they'd be first. I also have an I-Phone App for the Browns and you would certainly think they'd be first, but gees, they are days and days behind

From an internet standpoint, the browns have all the weapons that any other team has, but they don't use them very effectively.

Looks like the proofreading gets the same priority service.

how's this for a mock draft compiler. it compiles 357 mock drafts.


http://dcprosportsreport.com/MockDraft.htm


I don't think I ever recall a draft that had such uncertainty in the top 3-4 positions of the draft. This just proves how unknown this draft is at the top.

I think it really has to do with such uncertainty starting with Houston and Depending on who they pick...

j/c

This would be sick:

Round 1 Pick 16 (DAL): Calvin Pryor, FS, Louisville
Round 1 Pick 26: Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State
Round 2 Pick 3: Xavier Su'a-Filo, OG, UCLA
Round 2 Pick 15 (DAL): Odell Beckham, WR, LSU
Round 3 Pick 7: Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Eastern Illinois
Round 3 Pick 19: Chris Borland, ILB, Wisconsin
Round 4 Pick 6: Charles Sims, RB, West Virginia
Round 4 Pick 27: Anthony Johnson, DT, LSU
Round 5 Pick 5: Jared Abbrederis, WR, Wisconsin
Round 6 Pick 4: Tyler Larsen, C, Utah State
Round 7 Pick 3: Max Bullough, ILB, Michigan State

Plus we came away with Dallas' 2015 1st Rnd pick. Total fantasy but man did the picks fall our way in this one.

I was surprised at what was available, using Fanspeak, to use at our positions;


4 WR SAMMY WATKINS CLEMSON
As much of a proponent as I am about trading out of the #4 spot and acquiring more picks, that would be one sick dynamic duo having him opposite Gordon

26 CB DARQUEZE DENNARD MICHIGAN STATE
I can't believe he will fall this far but if he does, you just cannot pass having another shut down CB opposite Hayden. This and Watkins alone would make this draft solid.

35 C MARCUS MARTIN USC
I know you generally don't go C this early but, I don't have a warm and fuzzy about Mack and this guy is being compared to Mack due to his size. I'd try to place him as a number 2 or 3 guard and now you have an insurance policy, with experience, if Mack bolts next year.

71 QB JIMMY GAROPPOLO EASTERN ILLINOIS
I never really saw or paid much attention to Jimmy until his debut at the East/West game I think it was. He really impressed me with that ultra quick release and the information about his QB coach teaching him that " you don't have time to worry about where the laces are, just throw the ball when it hits your hands".

83 OT JOEL BITONIO NEVADA
I think this is where we get the true RT Tackle we need and kick Schwartz in to Guard. This makes our OL dominant for years to come.

102 ILB YAWIN SMALLWOOD CONNECTICUT
BPA from here on out but, man are these some pretty solid picks to choose from. We need another ILB to develop depth with.

123 DT KELCY QUARLES SOUTH CAROLINA
Depth

133 DE AARON LYNCH SOUTH FLORIDA
Depth

164 CB DEION BELUE ALABAMA
Depth

195 S CHRISTIAN BRYANT OHIO STATE
Depth

I'm no GM but I wouldn't be unhappy with a draft class like that going into the season. I'm just not sure how the cost will stack up going into next year with all of the players we will have coming up on new contracts. What do all of you think? Is there a position you think I should have addressed that one of these picks might have been replaced with, such as a FB instead of the 7th round S?


As always, Go BROWNS

I like the Penn State WR Allen Robinson if he is there in the 3rd round.

Thought I'd give one a shot:

1-4: Blake Bortles - QB - UCF...Has a year to learn behind Hoyer

1-26: Odell Beckham Jr. - WR - LSU...Bye, Bye Little

2-35: Bradley Roby - CB - Ohio St....Great opposite Haden

3-71: Seantrel Henderson - ROT - The U...Start at RT and move Schwartz inside

3-83: Yawin Smallwood - ILB - Conn....need depth

4-102: Bryan Stork - OC - Florida St....back-up then replace Mack next year

4-123: Ed Reynolds - FS - Stanford...Depth

5-133: Jon Halapio - OG - Florida...Depth

6-164: Boseko Lokombo - LB - Oregon...Depth

7-195: Ben Gardner - DE - Stanford...High draf pick potential until injury. Worth a shot with a 7th Rd pick

J/K

Ok I'll play


1- # 4 Sammy Watkins WR Clemson

1 - # 26 C.J. Mosley ILB Alabama

2 - # 35 Jason Verrett CB

3 - # 71 Joel Bitonio G / OT Nevada

3 - # 83 Jared Abbrederis WR Wisconsin

4 - # 102 Arron Murray QB Georgia

4- # 123 Dri Archer RB / WR Kent St.

5 - # 133 Bryan Stork C Flordia St.

6 - # 164 Robert Lester S Alabama

7- # 195 Micheal Sam DE Missouri