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LINK By John Breech | CBSSports.com January 20, 2014 4:39 pm CT
The most automatic play in football might be coming to an end. NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said on Monday that the league is considering a proposal to eliminate extra points.
"The extra point is almost automatic," Goodell said, via NFL.com. "I believe we had five missed extra points this year out of 1,200 some odd. So it's a very small fraction of the play, and you want to add excitement with every play."
Goodell's right about the missed extra points. There were only five missed all season and four of those were blocked. But that begs the question, what would the NFL do to replace extra points?
"There's one proposal in particular that I've heard about," Goodell said. "It's automatic that you get seven points when you score a touchdown, but you could potentially go for an eighth point, either by running or passing the ball, so if you fail, you go back to six."
Basically, under this proposal, you'd get seven points for a touchdown unless you decide you want an eighth point. If you go for the eighth point and fail, you'd only get six points for the score.
Someone who's probably on board with this proposal is Patriots coach Bill Belichick, who said earlier this month that extra points were becoming too easy.
"I would be in favor of not seeing it be an over 99 percent conversion rate," Belichick said. "It's virtually automatic. That's just not the way the extra point was put into the game. It was an extra point that you actually had to execute and it was executed by players who were not specialists, they were position players. It was a lot harder for them to do... I don't think that's really a very exciting play because it's so automatic."
Belichick didn't say at the time if he wanted to see the extra point replaced or eliminated altogether.
The top-17 scorers in the NFL this season were all kickers. If extra points had been eliminated in 2013, Chiefs running back Jamaal Charles would have tied Ravens kicker Justin Tucker and Patriots kicker Stephen Gostkowski as the NFL's scoring leader.
Extra points are rarely exciting, but sometimes they are. In a 2003 game, New Orleans was trailing Jacksonville 20-13 with seven seconds left. The Saints scored on an improbable 75-yard, three-lateral pass play to cut the Jaguars lead to 20-19, but kicker John Carney missed the extra point with no time remaining, and Jacksonville escaped with a regulation-time victory. I'm all for it. PATs are boring. This is my prefered method: - You get 6 for the TD and choose from a 42-yard* PAT kick or a 2-pt conversion from the two yard line. *the PAT distance should be based on the odds of completing a 2-pt conversion. If the NFL average is 50% for 2-pointers, then find the spot on the field from where FG kickers average 50% and use that (or maybe move it in 5 yards to make it slightly more favorable). I'm tired of this 99.9999% PAT success rate.
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My proposal:
6pts for a TD (anything else would be weird).
Plus, a choice:
1pt conversion from the 2yd line
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2pt conversion from the 7yd line
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Just make the goalpost skinnier.
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I'd be fine with getting 6 for the score, and you either get the free point or you can go for 2. It keeps it the same but cuts out the stupidity of the XP.
I love them in college because at least a few times a year some snot nosed punk blows one of them for his team at a critical point and I get a good laugh.
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IMO, just leave the game alone... please. 
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If you score a TD it is seven points. If you want to go for two get the ball the same place you currently get it. Let's not make this hard.
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The PAT kick is not 100% automatic. The extra point kick is traditional. Taking that away is screwing with the game too much. ...IMO.... Goodell is jumping the shark on this one. If they really wanted to make it more exiting they would make it harder for the kicker. Like, no holders allowed. Move the LOS back on PAT's. If a kick is blocked or ball fumbled it's a live ball and the opposing team can score the PAT of 2 points if returned to the opposite endzone on the play.
There are dozens of ways to make this part of a NFL game more exiting then just taking the PAT kicker out of the game completly.
Bad idea IMO.
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Saw on the ESPN story comments the idea that whoever obsessed the ball in the end zone for the score has to kick the xp.
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Just make every point after a TD be ran/operated by the team's cheerleaders. That'll make stuff exciting 
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Kneel down plays at the end of the game are boring too.. if the team with the ball is winning and the other team can't stop them from running out the clock, they should just leave the field and call it done.. I mean really, how often does somebody fumble the snap when they are running out the clock? It's automatic..... and if a guy puts 3 consecutive kickoffs in the endzone without a run back, they should just assume that's going to happen every time and give the other team the ball at the 20...
Sorry, I think it's silly to even tinker with it.. so it's not the most exciting play in football... I know, as a Browns fan, that if we score in the final minute to tie the game and then have the extra point to go ahead... I'm nervous.
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just leave the game alone... please.
For this certain part of the game I agree.. Coaches need to show more balls on the call after the TD...
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Just make every point after a TD be ran/operated by the team's cheerleaders. That'll make stuff exciting
If the Brown's had cheerleaders, they would be better at scoring then the Brown's regulars. 
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If the PAT rule has to be changed, then just move the kick back 10-15 yards. This isn't something to be really bothered by IMO.
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Here's what I was thinking after the TD...A choice of:
2pt conversion from the current location
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Extra point attempt with LOS being the 28 yard line (equivalent of a 45 yarder). If missed, the opponent has the option of taking the ball at the 35 or receiving a kickoff.
It certainly makes the attempt more difficult, and potentially "penalizes" the team if missed.
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The PAT kick is not 100% automatic.
1256 of the last 1261 (99.6%) is about as automatic as it gets
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If missed, the opponent has the option of taking the ball at the 35 or receiving a kickoff
Starting at the 35 would be great for that team... considering that 90 % of kick offs end in yellow flags being thrown......
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Instead of messing with the game / scoring...How about getting all the officals together and putting them thru some kind of training to where they call a game somewhat right, there is some really terrible calls, somebody in the booth needs to be able to overturn any call at anytime on the field, get rid of these stupied the play cant be reviewed becuase it's within the last 30 seconds of the game when it's below 35 degrees and the wind is coming out of the west, common just becuase somebody calls something dosent mean it's right. Somebody needs to overturn stupied calls, like the NE game..
Also might as well put flags on the QB's hips, cant hit them high or low, cant hit them hard or drive them into the ground or intentionally fall on them, cant grab thier facemask or hog collar them, if there running you cant hit them if they look like thier gonna slide if they do they do if they dont slide well to bad, you better still not hit them, cant hit them helmet to helmet or actually hit anything close to their helmet, with thats said, common whats a defender to do, officals never call anything accurate or the same in the same game, so what do you do, might as well put flags on the QB,
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Put a bar across the top of the goalposts. Somewhat more challenging target plus it eliminates the stupid judgement calls that come with many FG attempts.
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Anyone else think they may be elminating the placekicker position?
First move kickoffs up so they are almost all touchbacks, making kickoff's almost pointless. now eliminate FGs. Essentially there would be no use for a placekicker, freeing up a roster spot.
On a side note, it still cracks me up to see them bring the chains out to measure to the fraction of an inch the 1st down, but the guys positioning the markers on the sideline, just kind of set it by eye initially.
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On a side note, it still cracks me up to see them bring the chains out to measure to the fraction of an inch the 1st down, but the guys positioning the markers on the sideline, just kind of set it by eye initially.
Yep, thought about this before.. the ball placement is a guess at best, then the chain placement is eyeballed, but the first down measurement is done to the fraction of an inch...
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Hell no!!! They keep screwing with the special teams,and pretty soon there won't be any left.How about we get rid of this knucklehead,and get a new commish instead. 
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NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said on Monday that the league is considering a proposal to eliminate extra points.
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This guy is going to end up doing a ton of damage to the game before his time is up IMO.
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A missed or a blocked Extra point can change the tide of the game, I'm not in favor..
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A missed or a blocked Extra point can change the tide of the game, I'm not in favor..
0.4% of the time. That's why. It's so rare, it's not a concern.
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I agree with some of the others in the forum. Just leave the game alone There's a reason why it's so popular. People like the product on the field the way it is, so stop tinkering with it! They already made a host of dumb changes including kickoff rules, defenseless receiver, babying the quarterback way too much (especially guys like Brady).
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How about rigging the ball with an explosive that goes off if a QB holds it too long?
And the team captains should be able to call out the officials to a quick hitting drill if they botch a call. The winner could be determined by the number of beers sold in the stands during the challenge.
That makes as much sense as getting rid of the kicking game.
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Here's my proposal, spin the goal post! Or, make the kicker kick it from the sideline at the two yard line. Or, if you opt to, you can have the kicker, run, jump, then kick it from the holders hands, three feet off the ground from the twenty, while singing "My Wild Irish Rose." Or, Goodell could just stop tinkering with the parts of the game that actually work and instead work on cutting down on the number of missed and B.S. calls made by the refs. I think that might make the game more interesting. But that's just me.
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A missed or a blocked Extra point can change the tide of the game, I'm not in favor..
0.4% of the time. That's why. It's so rare, it's not a concern.
If the Browns are in the SB, and we block an Extra Point and we win. That's the picture, do you still want the extra points to be eliminated?
Anyway, that's not a part of the game that needs any work,,, why change something that isn't broken.. Leave it alone.
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A missed or a blocked Extra point can change the tide of the game, I'm not in favor..
0.4% of the time. That's why. It's so rare, it's not a concern.
If the Browns are in the SB, and we block an Extra Point and we win. That's the picture, do you still want the extra points to be eliminated?
Anyway, that's not a part of the game that needs any work,,, why change something that isn't broken.. Leave it alone.
but, it is broken. it takes time to send the team out there and do what has become so methodical that it is all but guaranteed. there is no excitement to watching the extra point be kicked by professionals.
i am all in favor of making that part of the game actually worth watching.
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Each team should have a stunt freestyle dirtbike rider on the squad. The extra points are attempted by him jumping through the uprights while attempting tricks. Judges then score the difficulty level of the tricks awarding 1 to 3 points.
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Just leave it the heck alone Goodell!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Then move the ball back 5-10 yards,but leave the extra point as a part of the game.
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I think that they should narrow the goal posts. Then they should set up a choice for the offense. You can go for the extra point, kicking with the ball spotted at the 25 yard line. That's a 42 yard attempts for 1 point. You can go for 2 extra points, lining up as under the current rules. You can go for 3, lining up on offense from the 10 yard line. Just to make it interesting, there is a coin toss on each extra point try, with the team scored upon calling it, and whichever team wins the toss gets to decide what option the team that just scored uses for their extra point(s) try. .
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Then move the ball back 5-10 yards,but leave the extra point as a part of the game.
I'd be open to that as well if it was determined to have a significantly less make rate (we'd have to look at the rates of FGs in the under 30yd range).
But, that also indicates it is currently broken. I'm open to ideas to fix it.
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A missed or a blocked Extra point can change the tide of the game, I'm not in favor..
It can, but can be made up by going for 2.
How about adding a point to the mix...turn a two point conversion to a three point conversion, but move the ball to the four yard line. It's just like a betting line with bookies.....move the odds to the point to draw action. Right now coach's don't view gaining a point on a two pt play as enough value to give up the automatic point. I say increase the point gain by not kicking. It's pretty obvious coaches don't see gaining one point as incentive enough to lose one.
Make a TD a potential nine point play, and I think they play.
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If you want to make it more meaningful, move the spot back a few yards. The first 2 point conversion made in the NFL was by Tom Tupa of the Cleveland Browns. It was done on a sneak after the first TD of the game, and the newly proposed rule will remove the sneak option. That will make the 1 PAT harder, and the 2 PAT much harder. I'd rather see these players excel at something hard than something easy anyway.
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I agree.....................move the spot of the ball back 15 yards or so.
I really don't like teams getting 7 for scoring.
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I agree.....................move the spot of the ball back 15 yards or so.
I really don't like teams getting 7 for scoring.
I don't think moving the spot back would do much. These kids today make 45 yarders seem automatic......as I said, increase the incentive to not kick. One point hasn't given a coach reason enough to not kick.
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