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Well, I take it that he's going to get an OC that knows what he's doing.
I sure hope so. Pettine will be able to help an OC game plan against a defense, but not necessarily carry it out/execute when it comes to gameday. He (well, "we" technically) need someone who can operate the offensive unit and 'welcomes' input, not operate the offense and 'NEEDS' input.
It would SUCK to finally get a QB and then a system/play caller that makes him look the QB's we are use to seeing here in Browns Town.
How smart is Hoyer? 
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According to Pettine, very smart.
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I think it should be noted that I a) really like Haslam, b) am lukewarm on Banner, and c) not a fan of Lombardi.
I have both blasted and praised this regime. I am trying to call it like I see it.
What are the facts here?
1. The Browns fired Chud. They admitted they made a mistake.
2. They told us upfront that this was going to be a long process and they wanted to get it right.
3. True to their word, it was a long process. They interviewed a large number of candidates.
4. Some of the candidates withdrew their names. They NEVER offered the job to ANY of the candidates that withdrew their names.
5. The Browns waited for some candidates that decided not to interview. They NEVER offered the job to any candidate that did not interview.
I'm trying to find the negative in what they did and how they arrived at their decision. Your negative is based on an already developed notion that you don't trust them. I am simply laying out the facts as I know them, and I can't find a single thing wrong with what they did.
Let's say they actually offered the job to McDaniels, and he turned it down. Maybe that changes my tune a bit. Those would be two facts to consider ... a) a job was offered and b) a job was turned down. That would make the FO look bad. It never happened. The first guy offered accepted the job.
All of the negatives coming out of this are fan/media driven who wanted a quick fix immediately in this microwave society. They would have been the same fans complaining that the Browns should have taken more time to make a decision. At some point, I'm sure Haslam has finally figured out he ain't winning with the media and fans any way you slice it.
I think Haslam sincerely wants to right this ship. And when I look at the facts of what happened, I think he did everything in his power to try to make the best decision possible. That's being objective.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Just a general reaction.
This is exactly why I hate Banner, Haslem, and Lombardi. Everytime they have a chance to make a splash, they not only don't make a splash, they close the pool and make everybody go home.
Who the blank was this guy? Nobody, that is exactly who.
Ever since Haslem bought this team, every single announcement of an addition to this team has had this one characteristic pattern. Upon hearing the name, one has no idea who it is, the qualifications of the addition seem flat, and so far, none have panned out worth squat.
So, to look forward to the future of anything this team does, all one can expect is uninspiring additions, that will prove so hard to cheer for.
On one hand, when they get someone with potential, the consenses mood is to force the son of a gun to win now or he's out the door.
Then when they find what should be ( obviously seen as) a proven failure, the consenses mood is to give the guy a break and tons of time to see that failure through.
I hate to say it but. I think they should take this team off TV. and the media should stop covering it. Maybe then they'd get the message. The message to win dummys, stop fooling around.
Or at least act like you're trying to win, not trying to , Come ON whatever this is. The Bills freaking defensive coordinator? You might as well just go and get the next guy who pulls off the interstate.
Might as well try a college guy! You couldn't find a college head coach who is trying to upgrade his career to the NFL? At least we could expect he'd have something to prove.
What is this, well it looks like they've given us a situation where the guy has less of his own mind than whoever mans the sideline in Dallas.
Should I be outraged? Why or why not! I'm outraged and completely not outraged, both at the same time.
Only half of me gives a rip that this team doesn't dissolve. Half of me wishes they would dissolve, at least for a time, just to prove a point; or that the NFL would do it to them.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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If he wins the Super Bowl you'd complain about the ratio of run plays to pass plays or some darn thing. 
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Fair post. My side: As I already pointed out in a response to Peen. The "offered" argument is pure rhetoric and semantics. You only ask once. Remember last HC Hunt? They stood at the altar with a Ring in their hands waiting for Kelly, but they never uttered the words, so technically Chud was the only one asked too last offseason and nobody believes he was their top choice. Actions are stronger than words... Speaking of words. I hate to tell you, but that really is the only difference in premise to both our Takes. You see a reasonable search, but base it on their words. I lost any confidence in their words and no, that's not a preconceived notion, they've earned this lack of trust by their actions that constantly betray their words. So, all that's left for me is to watch their actions and media reporting their acts, so here are my facts: 1. didn't consider Pettine for well over 2 weeks with a handful of other teams looking for a HC too. 2. Met with numerous other guys before his first, while his second and even after his third interview. 3. second and third interview and mistery option "coincidentally" happened/popped up shortly after Gase withdrew, while multiple reports suggested him being the leading candidate. But Yeah, we never offered to Gase....just as we never offered to Kelly 4. we offered to Pettine when he put a Gun to our head, as he "almost pulled out of Browns job" himself. See http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...f-browns-search
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super bowl?
lets focus on winning more than 5 games first.
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lets focus on winning more than 5 games first.
Nah, we'd rather focus on who was first choice, last choice and why some are so much smarter than those who actually did the legwork. The perpetually pissed fans who are happy in their unhappiness are concerned that this thing might turn around and rock their boat. The USS Disgruntled. ..
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well, you gotta admit, there is cause for concern.
i'm excited about the hire, but i'm also a realist. and the odds are stacked against him.
the optimist in me says he gets to pick his QB, has 10 picks in the draft, and has 6 pro bowlers.
the realist in me says, 2 pro bowlers need to be re-signed, he can't mess up the QB position, and we still have a ton of holes to fill.
also, the FO set the standard, bro. if he goes 4-12, 5-11, he's gonna get fired. or thats what most of us expect.
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As I already pointed out in a response to Peen. The "offered" argument is pure rhetoric and semantics. You only ask once. Remember last HC Hunt? They stood at the altar with a Ring in their hands waiting for Kelly, but they never uttered the words, so technically Chud was the only one asked too last offseason and nobody believes he was their top choice. Actions are stronger than words...
Your take here only holds merit if they really did want McDaniels. Actions are stronger than words ... they NEVER offered McDaniels the job. You have contradicted yourself entirely in that one paragraph. If they wanted McDaniels, they would have offered him the job.
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1. didn't consider Pettine for well over 2 weeks with a handful of other teams looking for a HC too.
So what? Is this really a big deal? By you implying this is some type of red flag, you are automatically assuming that Pettine is not worthy of being considered a head coach. And your entire argument for that is that he wasn't on the list initially. Do you see how ridiculous that sounds? Is that enough to say this guy isn't worth it?
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They were doing a thorough job. I interviewed three guys once. The first guy blew the interview panel away. Some wanted to stop there and go with that guy. The 2nd guy did even better and the third guy did the best. It's called a process and being thorough. What is wrong with that?
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3. second and third interview and mistery option "coincidentally" happened/popped up shortly after Gase withdrew, while multiple reports suggested him being the leading candidate. But Yeah, we never offered to Gase....just as we never offered to Kelly
Yes, they wanted to talk to Gase ... you know ... that whole being thorough thing. That doesn't mean Gase was even going to get an offer. Maybe after talking with Gase, they would have realized he wasn't the guy and they liked Pettine better ... but can you fault them for at least wanting to have that conversation. Again, I am finding it very hard to find something wrong with that thought process.
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I don't blame Pettine. At that point you either want me or you don't. I would have done the same thing. You are attempting to spin it that the Browns "rushed" into the decision. They spent more time with Pettine than anyone else. He was one of the leading candidates. Do you let him potentially slip away to wait on someone who is showing little interest to begin with? They made a judgment call on a direction I think they were leaning with the entire way.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I agree with a lot of what you said. They proceeded just as Haslam said they would.....they conducted a methodical thorough search, interviewed a number of candidates and then selected one. It wasn't a haphazard process resulting in a knee-jerk choice as some here would have you believe. Personally, I would have liked to see them interview Jack Del Rio or give Munchak a harder look. What I am having is a hard time trying to be optimistic with rolling the dice on yet another unproven rookie coach....who might be betting his career on Johnny Football or Derek Carr. 
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And you'd have to feel that way no matter who they hired.
Does someone think if Gase was the first choice he'd be an automatic success?.. Quinn? Doesn't matter a bit.
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thats what i'm saying.
i don't have a problem with the hire. i guess what to say is...i don't want the FO to pull a 2013 on Pettine. like, not getting the best players as possible because they think the 2015 draft is better. and i hope the fO will be more aggressive in the off-season.
my issues aren't with Pettine. i have a feeling our defense at the very least is gonna punch some people in the mouths next season. my issue is the FO support For him. they marketed our pro bowl players, well since they sold him part of that, that means they need to KEEP those pro bowl players. i don't banner being cheap with the cap space. there's a different imo, between being good with the cap, and being cheap. all of our Talent is young, no reason not to sign them long term.
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Fair post.
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As I already pointed out in a response to Peen. The "offered" argument is pure rhetoric and semantics. You only ask once. Remember last HC Hunt? They stood at the altar with a Ring in their hands waiting for Kelly, but they never uttered the words, so technically Chud was the only one asked too last offseason and nobody believes he was their top choice. Actions are stronger than words...
Speaking of words. I hate to tell you, but that really is the only difference in premise to both our Takes. You see a reasonable search, but base it on their words. I lost any confidence in their words and no, that's not a preconceived notion, they've earned this lack of trust by their actions that constantly betray their words.
So, all that's left for me is to watch their actions and media reporting their acts, so here are my facts:
1. didn't consider Pettine for well over 2 weeks with a handful of other teams looking for a HC too.
2. Met with numerous other guys before his first, while his second and even after his third interview.
3. second and third interview and mistery option "coincidentally" happened/popped up shortly after Gase withdrew, while multiple reports suggested him being the leading candidate. But Yeah, we never offered to Gase....just as we never offered to Kelly
4. we offered to Pettine when he put a Gun to our head, as he "almost pulled out of Browns job" himself. See http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...f-browns-search
SO .... what you are saying is that only the first couple of cndidates that are interviewed for any job can be the "Right Guy".... and that if you interview someone late in the process and really like him and think that he is the right guy to lead your team the way you want to ... you can't hire him because. . . well gosh darn it, if it took you 2 weeks to interview this guy - no matter how great he was and looked and sounded. HE WASN'T INTERVIEWED FOR 2 WEEKS !!!! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 
Your logic is faultless.
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Let the man audible at the line then. Don't worry which town he calls out the name of. I kind of like Amarillo! Amarillo!
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Let the man audible at the line then. Don't worry which town he calls out the name of. I kind of like Amarillo! Amarillo!
Wouldn't Hell (Michigan, of course) be more appropriate?
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4. we offered to Pettine when he put a Gun to our head, as he "almost pulled out of Browns job" himself. See http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...f-browns-search
I read in some interview that he suggested he was thinking about pulling out because it was unfair to the Bills, and Marrone told him to stay with it, and that you never know when you'll get another opportunity.
So I don't think he put a gun to the Browns head or anything........ That and Marone sounds like a nice guy. But that doesn't really matter in the NFL or most production based jobs
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He said that if the decision was going to drag on past the Super Bowl, then he was going to pull out because it wouldn't have been fair to the Bills to put them in a position that gave them no real chance to replace him.
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Just clickin'
I don't really care who was first, second or last. The process means nothing to me. You could have your sights set on a particular guy but he decides to stay with his current team. That doesn't mean he hates you or your situation. He may just like it where he's working, who he's working with and who he's working for.
If you have your mind made up on your first choice before the interview (ala Lerner with Mangini) you've failed badly in performing due diligence by actually interviewing and getting to know the guy through the process. If your mind is made up before the interview that is what is irresponsible.
The only time your first, second or third choice is important or relevant is AFTER the interviews. You can't make up your mind which sauce you like best from your list of possibilities until after you taste them. So you taste the ones you have an opportunity to try and make your choice.
Besides, you may find that after you interview your "first choice" he's not as attractive a candidate as you assumed. After all, your initial list is made up on the basis of career success to this point. There's been way to many highly successful coordinators who've failed at the HCing level. So career success to this point is only a mild indicator. You still have to discover who fits your requirements in all areas.
So if you do get a chance to interview your top choices but hire someone you interview later it may only mean you like the later guy compared to the earlier guy. It doesn't necessarily mean there's anything to read into it. It could simply mean you liked the later guy better in comparison.
If everyone turned you down and you were forced to hire a much later choice then so what? You just hired a guy meaning the whole process is over. You have your coach. Now put all your efforts into supporting him, allow him to be the coach without meddling in his area of expertise and build something with it. With all the insane pressure the FO has put on themselves, and that which we put on them, they've got their work cut out for them in their area of expertise. Let the coach coach and support him with going out and getting him some players he can work with.
I neither like nor dislike the hire. I didn't know enough about him or any of the candidates to have had a preference. All I wanted was someone to bring wins and frankly I don't care how he does it.
Mike Pettine is our coach and he has all my support. He seems a hard-nosed coach with a desire to win. Hopefully he'll instill that into the personality of the team and they can begin the road to success for which we've waited far too long.
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You entirely missed my point or misinterpreted me on purpose. Especially about the "offer" thing. They can say 100 times "we really, really like you" without offering, because they're waiting for positive Feedback. What's the percentage of coaching searches where more than one guy was offered the job officially? Close to 0% I'd say. It's pure semantics and PR and an incredibly weak argument imho.
I've said explicitly that it isn't about Pettine, but about the FO. Your narrative, from my point of view, has more holes than mine. You just believe in other premises, but I guess you don't see it. We BOTH Don 't know the facts, yet you act as if yours is more factual. It's mere opinion either way, as we'll never know for sure.
As I said from the start and can be seen in the redemption thread, it's really not worth discussing much. How they treat him from here on out will make or break it. You interpret this search as "thorough", based on trusting their word. I interpret it as chaotic and undecisive, based on reports that transpired in the media. Both premises have been proved wrong before. None is factual, as much as you like to spin it that way.
It's over now. Let's see how they work together now, what decisions they take in FA and draft. Which system they run, which Coords they hire etc.....way more important than this dead season drama.
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It's mere opinion either way... None is factual...It's over now.
Yep, end of story...
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I really hate when you go into Toad mode. You could have written that in all white. S.P.I.N.
Oh well, you accuse me of "misinterpreting you on purpose" ...there is no point in even having a discussion with you anymore.
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When I was younger I wanted to date Jessica Alba. She refused to go out with me :-(
Then I started dating a girl. 5'9, 125# blonde, looked like a super model. Absolutely gorgeous! My friends couldn't believe I ended things with her. She seemed sweet in public but alone, wow what a B (can I type that word out?).
Then I started dating another girl. Most guys would say she is pretty but none would call her gorgeous. But she was so cool, smart and fun that I asked her to marry me. Ten years later, I couldn't be happier.
Was she my 3rd choice? Perhaps technically. Possibly 4th or 5th because I did talk with a couple other girls around that time.
Was she the only girl I asked to marry me? Yes.
Did outsiders think that I should have married that blonde? Many.
Were the outsiders wrong? Absolutely.
Just thought I would share that story. 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th … doesn't matter how you want to categorize things, I made the right decision in the long run and that is what matters.
Am I perfect? No
Am I trying to be a better person?
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I doubt it is the end of the story. There are guys who are going to call the search haphazard, scatterbrained, and panicked for quite awhile. They will ignore the fact that the Browns conducted the HC search exactly the way Haslam said they would. He said they would interview a large number of candidates, take their time, be thorough, and hire the right man for the future. The last one is hard to prove, but the first three are pretty cut and dry.
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I've barely been in this thread, so sorry if this has been posted . . . Browns | Contract details for Mike PettineFri, 24 Jan 2014 13:35:00 -0800 Cleveland Browns head coach Mike Pettine agreed to a four-year contract with a team option for a fifth-year. Financial terms were not disclosed. Source: The Cleveland Plain Dealer - Mary Kay Cabot
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Moving on........
Again, I really didn't know a lot about Pettine. I have read a lot about him since hearing he was a candidate and especially since he was named our HC. I like what I am reading.
--He is well respected in the league.
--He is holds his players accountable [more on this later.]
--Yet, his players really, really like him.
--His defenses have been very productive.
--He took a terrible Buffalo defense and made them pretty good in one year.
--His defenses are aggressive [lots of sacks and picks.]
--I know this is pure opinion, but I prefer tough coaches like Marty and Cowher rather than guys like RAC and Shurmur. I think they bring an attitude w/them and this guy seems to be in that mold.
A couple of more comments.
Someone earlier said that holding guys accountable is a hollow comment. I completely disagree for several reasons:
--It's pretty obvious that Haslam and company place a great deal of importance on holding their players accountable. Gone were the days of players being handed their jobs before TC began. They reportedly were not happy about guys like Little and Weeden, as well.
--Pettine mentioned it in his PC and if you watch that video of Hard Knocks while he was in New York, he matter of factly tells his players that they are being held accountable and that if they don't perform, they will be gone. He said, don't make it easy for us. It was really amazing in regards to not only what he was saying, but how he said it.
--We have had coaches here in the past [see RAC and maybe Chud] who did not hold their players accountable. I still remember Camp Cupcake. It was brutal to witness. Players walking around after a drill would start. Guys laying on the ground. No accountability.
--I think this team has some talent, but I don't think there has been much accountability. We didn't handle our minimal success this year and we absolutely bombed when we were faced w/adversity. The players were not mentally tough. Heck, some of us [Clem, Rish, myself, and others] were talking about this going back to the last Bengal game.
--I think holding these guys accountable, in games and in practices, will make this team a lot tougher and it should translate to more productivity on the playing field.
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which is fine..
but we need to make sure "tough" and "accountable" isn't really "tyrant" and "abusive".
we HAD a "tough" coach here before...and it translated to back to back 5-11 seasons.
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Someone earlier said that holding guys accountable is a hollow comment. I completely disagree for several reasons:
I think that person meant that all coaches say that. But saying and doing are different things.
Saying = Hollow
Doing = substance
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And this guy has a history of doing.
I have always felt we needed a Ditka "type" as head coach. Since we came back we have marched out meek to marshmellow types, and in one case the coach was almost feminine appearing.
We now have a football coach.
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Let the man audible at the line then. Don't worry which town he calls out the name of. I kind of like Amarillo! Amarillo!
Wouldn't Hell (Michigan, of course) be more appropriate?
Well, it has to be the name of a town or city. I guess 'Kalamazoo! Kalamazoo!' does have a nice ring to it. It rolls right off the tongue. 
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So was Vermiel not a coach because he cried? Or Dungy not a coach because he's soft spoken?
I don't care if my coach screams and yells or prances around in a tutu. I'm holding Banner and Lombardi accountable for finding us a QB that our coach can win with. Give me a real franchise QB and a soft spoken coach and I'll beat your animated screaming coach and Cambell/Weeden everyday.
Sorry if I'm unimpressed by coach speak this time of year.
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When I was younger I wanted to date Jessica Alba. She refused to go out with me :-(
Then I started dating a girl. 5'9, 125# blonde, looked like a super model. Absolutely gorgeous! My friends couldn't believe I ended things with her. She seemed sweet in public but alone, wow what a B (can I type that word out?).
Then I started dating another girl. Most guys would say she is pretty but none would call her gorgeous. But she was so cool, smart and fun that I asked her to marry me. Ten years later, I couldn't be happier.
Was she my 3rd choice? Perhaps technically. Possibly 4th or 5th because I did talk with a couple other girls around that time.
Was she the only girl I asked to marry me? Yes.
Did outsiders think that I should have married that blonde? Many.
Were the outsiders wrong? Absolutely.
Just thought I would share that story. 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th … doesn't matter how you want to categorize things, I made the right decision in the long run and that is what matters.
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Someone earlier said that holding guys accountable is a hollow comment. I completely disagree for several reasons:
I think that person meant that all coaches say that. But saying and doing are different things.
Saying = Hollow
Doing = substance
And that is why I included the bit about the video from Hard Knocks. He doesn't just promise that he'll do it...........he actually has done it.
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which is fine..
but we need to make sure "tough" and "accountable" isn't really "tyrant" and "abusive".
we HAD a "tough" coach here before...and it translated to back to back 5-11 seasons.
And that is why I included the part that his players really like the guy.
I am not promising things will be great, but again, the more you try to actually educate yourself about the guy, the more you like.
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I wanted a big name coach ala what the Indians did in hiring Francona. But, I like the Mike Pettine hire.
1) I like the tough guy coach. His personality will rub on on his team. Tough coaches usualy translates into a tough team.
2) He was a high school coach that learned the game from his dad who was a legendary high school coach. High school coaches have a simple formula that works. Lokk at the Harbaugh brother. Look at our past Paul Brown. Why do I like high school coaches. They are teachers, they are not all business oriented meaning they have releationships with their players. And, most important they emphasize foundamentals. Most hall of fame coaches say that more games are lost than won. The team with the best fundamentals usualy do not lose games.
3) Worked his way up thru the NFL. Hs expierence in the NFL as an assistant with 3 different teams. Meaning he has worked under 3 different coaches and should have a good knowledge of what worked and did not at those places. He also made a comment during his press conf I really liked. He said that he did not feel slighted when he was not picked for being a head coach he just put his head down and worked harder. I believe that will be a trade mark for his teams. If they are not successful they will work harder. How many games has the Browns lost in the 4th quarter the last few years. I played for a legendary high school football coach that always said the harder you work the harder it is for you to quit when things get tough.
4) He will mold his teams around their talents and noy a system. He will put the players in situations to allow them to be successful. If you look at what he is it tells you that if you have the proper fundementals, work hard, and be put in the right scheme they will be successful. Kinda of like when oppurtunity meets preparation.
I like the hire. Now Haslam needs to keep Banner and Lombardi under control and keep to their jobs of getting the groceries for their coach and their hands out of the day to day on field program.
I think the past 3 weeks will be seen as the low point for this team and now things will start to move in the right direction with a tough, fundementaly starong, hard working coach.
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me personally, i've said before; i like the hire. i think the defense will be fine at least, and i think we will go out and he we do the best possible.
but vers, my concern isn't Pettine. my concern is the support he is gonna need from the FO. i don't want them choosing a QB for him. i don't want them being cheap with our Pro Bowl FA's, that they MARKETED to him in the first place.
thats my concerns at this point.
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Man, I think it is a huge mistake to put the coach in charge of the draft. Coaches have too many other things going on to be in charge of the draft.
I think the coaching staff should have a say in who we draft, but the GM and his team of scouts ultimately make the call. I don't want us drafting a qb because our coach saw him on tv.
Pettine should be part of the team, but no way would I allow him to solely choose the QB. That has disaster written all over it.
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