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It has been said that we will be keeping the Special Teams coordinator Chris Tabor. Link We have also requested permission to speak to Bills LB coach Jim O'Neill to be our defensive coordinator. Link The below link is the Buffalo Bills profile on Jim O'Neill. Link We were said to be interested in Alex Van Pelt as our offensive coordinator but he is staying in Green Bay as their QB coach. Link That is all the news I am aware of on the coaching staff front.
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thats what i'm concerned about now. the O coord spot. as a Defensive coach, he's gonna hire a guy he's worked with ofcourse, thats his strength, so i think we'll be ok there.
the problem is that offense.
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thats what i'm concerned about now. the O coord spot. as a Defensive coach, he's gonna hire a guy he's worked with ofcourse, thats his strength, so i think we'll be ok there.
the problem is that offense.
Agreed, our D wasn't nearly as bad as our O.. And I think that if the O was better, the D wouldn't get so tired towards the end of games.
this is going to become a very interesting thread in the coming weeks.
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And a big problem at that. In any case, if Hoyer doesn't pan out or gets injured again, we need another QB that isn't Weeden, and if we want to win, isn't Jason Campbell either. Jason had a legit shot, but too often it took an eternity to get into a rhythm. Veteran QB? Heh... and that is regardless what type of offensive system that whomever it'll be runs - we need another VIABLE option at QB to press Brian...
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And a big problem at that. In any case, if Hoyer doesn't pan out or gets injured again, we need another QB that isn't Weeden, and if we want to win, isn't Jason Campbell either. Jason has a legit shot, but too often it took an eternity to get into a rhythm. Veteran QB? Heh... and that is regardless what type of offensive system that whomever it'll be runs...
My guess is that neither Campbell nor Weeden are on the roster next season. It won't even matter who the OC eventually is.
In my view, they'll probably try to trade either or both for whatever they can get for them. If they can't, they'll cut them before their roster bonuses are owed and we'll move on from there.
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the problem is that offense.
And a big problem at that. In any case, if Hoyer doesn't pan out or gets injured again, we need another QB that isn't Weeden, and if we want to win, isn't Jason Campbell either. Jason has a legit shot, but too often it took an eternity to get into a rhythm. Veteran QB? Heh... and that is regardless what type of offensive system that whomever it'll be runs...
My guess is that neither Campbell nor Weeden are on the roster next season. It won't even matter who the OC eventually is.
In my view, they'll probably try to trade either or both for whatever they can get for them. If they can't, they'll cut them before their roster bonuses are owed and we'll move on from there.
Campbell might stick, But I do believe your right about Weeden.
I would almost like to dump them both and get a couple of young guys with Hoyer as the starter for a year. But that's not a safe way to go either.
So, Campbell or another vet+ Hoyer and a Rookie.. That's probably the way it will go.
But, with a new staff coming in, there are no guarantees.. The next uproar you hear will be if they cut Hoyer.. LOL
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Campbell might stick, But I do believe your right about Weeden.
I would almost like to dump them both and get a couple of young guys with Hoyer as the starter for a year. But that's not a safe way to go either.
So, Campbell or another vet+ Hoyer and a Rookie.. That's probably the way it will go.
But, with a new staff coming in, there are no guarantees.. The next uproar you hear will be if they cut Hoyer.. LOL
I would have to ask you something about Weeden and Campbell. What do you think he'll see from either of them that he'll like. What about the OC, whoever it turns out to be? What will the OC like about them?
Besides, the previous regime brought in Campbell and Hoyer and the only one that seems to have been anything worthwhile is Hoyer. I really think that Campbell and his clone, Weeden are both jettisoned.
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So, you don't expect that Django will be the Browns new OC then? 
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Even 'immediately' isn't fast enough if that situations comes up! 
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I think Campbell is gone before Weeden. It may not happen that way on a time line....just saying I don't see any way we pay him what he is due, and that isn't saying Weeden sticks.
I think it is Hoyer, drafted player, Weeden or another.....drafted or a FA of some sort.
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Campbell might stick, But I do believe your right about Weeden.
I would almost like to dump them both and get a couple of young guys with Hoyer as the starter for a year. But that's not a safe way to go either.
So, Campbell or another vet+ Hoyer and a Rookie.. That's probably the way it will go.
But, with a new staff coming in, there are no guarantees.. The next uproar you hear will be if they cut Hoyer.. LOL
I would have to ask you something about Weeden and Campbell. What do you think he'll see from either of them that he'll like. What about the OC, whoever it turns out to be? What will the OC like about them?
Besides, the previous regime brought in Campbell and Hoyer and the only one that seems to have been anything worthwhile is Hoyer. I really think that Campbell and his clone, Weeden are both jettisoned.
Thats a good question. I think he and the new OC whoever that is, will see nothing in Weeden. Campbell, if you just look at the stats, he wasn't horrible, but again, he didn't inspire his team to wins.
But I wonder, How smart is it to have Hoyer and then two rookies? I'm not sure that is an answer.
So that's why I said this, Campbell or another VET and Hoyer plus a rookie...
I think they need at least one semi long in the tooth vet. Just an opinion.
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I think Campbell is gone before Weeden. It may not happen that way on a time line....just saying I don't see any way we pay him what he is due, and that isn't saying Weeden sticks.
I think it is Hoyer, drafted player, Weeden or another.....drafted or a FA of some sort.
Hey it could happen. Hoyer has a big arm. Maybe the new OC will see value and think he could work with him. You just never know.,,. Which is why all bets are off as to who goes and who stays.
But based solely on what I saw (and I'm far from an expert) I'd cut or trade Weeden, keep Campbell and make Hoyer my starter (if healthy) then find someone that we can groom in the Draft.
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I think Campbell is gone before Weeden. It may not happen that way on a time line....just saying I don't see any way we pay him what he is due, and that isn't saying Weeden sticks.
I think it is Hoyer, drafted player, Weeden or another.....drafted or a FA of some sort.
I think that it'll be Hoyer, drafted player, another drafted player and probably a UDFA rookie.
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Thats a good question. I think he and the new OC whoever that is, will see nothing in Weeden. Campbell, if you just look at the stats, he wasn't horrible, but again, he didn't inspire his team to wins.
The number of wins is the ultimate stat that counts and neither Weeden nor Campbell proved that to be the one to generate wins. They had a single win attributed between them. Even if you attribute one of those wins attributed to Hoyer to Weeden, they still only had two wins between them. They are, in all likelihood, at least a part of the reason that the last HC got fired. I have the funny feeling that Pettine will not want either one of them around.
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But I wonder, How smart is it to have Hoyer and then two rookies? I'm not sure that is an answer.
Well, if the Browns are going to be selecting a QB high in the upcoming draft, doesn't that indicate that they would be starting a rookie QB, or at least be comfortable putting them in as the starter at some point in the season anyway?
Many fans expect (and desire) that the Browns will be taking a QB with their first selection in the draft and a good number of them want them to actually trade up to get that QB. These fans apparently are fine going with a rookie QB starting for the Browns.
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So that's why I said this, Campbell or another VET and Hoyer plus a rookie...
I think they need at least one semi long in the tooth vet. Just an opinion.
Doesn't Hoyer qualify as a 'semi-long-in-the-tooth vet'?  He's just not extremely long-in-the-tooth like Campbell.
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Thats a good question. I think he and the new OC whoever that is, will see nothing in Weeden. Campbell, if you just look at the stats, he wasn't horrible, but again, he didn't inspire his team to wins.
The number of wins is the ultimate stat that counts and neither Weeden nor Campbell proved that to be the one to generate wins.
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Well, if the Browns are going to be selecting a QB high in the upcoming draft, doesn't that indicate that they would be starting a rookie QB, or at least be comfortable putting them in as the starter at some point in the season anyway?
I don't think it indicates anything other than they think the QB they draft high has a future. Otherwise, why bother drafting him. But, if they put him in competition during camp and he wins the job, sure, he's the starter.
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Many fans certainly see it that way.. I don't. I think you get a QB where ever you find him. Sometimes, it's undrafted (Romo or Hoyer), Second Round (Favre or Brees) or even the 6th Round (brady). I don't have any preconceived notions that the only place to get a great QB is in the first round.
that is, unless you get a shot at someone like Luck or RGIII without giving up your whole draft!
And yes, before you say it, I recognize the odds are better for a QB if he's good enough to go in the first round. It's just not a guarantee.
If the guy they want, I mean, REALLY want is there with their first pick and they think he won't there with your next pick, then you take him.
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LOL Years in the league,, sure. Game experience, no.
I don't know if the new coach and OC will see it that way, or even close.
Campbell may not be the ideal option, but he may be the best available "semi long in the tooth Vet" option. So I guess we'll find out what the new guys think.
Hell,, they may look at Hoyer and say,, no way to him as well. (I don't believe that will happen but it could)
I just don't want to see another Jake Delhomee
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Hoyer is known to be Lombardi's guy. My guess is that as long as Lombardi is around, Hoyer is around.
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We need to talk Offensive Coordinator.
The "guys" out there are all WCO
Don't want to go there. The new rules has forced evolution from it.
We need a hybrid from the Eagles and Patriots systems.
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Isn't that what I eluded to?
Yes, but I included both Weeden & Campbell in the vital stat of wins and not just statistics.
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I don't think it indicates anything other than they think the QB they draft high has a future. Otherwise, why bother drafting him. But, if they put him in competition during camp and he wins the job, sure, he's the starter.
Well, if you're selecting them #4 overall, the general inclination is that he's intended to be the starter from Day 1 until he loses the job. That is, he'll go in as the QB to beat or the QB that has the job to lose.
You can draft QBs in the mid-rounds or sign them as UDFA that you think would have a future in the league.
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I would have drafted Luck if the opportunity presented itself but I wouldn't have touched RG3 with a 100-yard pole - and still wouldn't.
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If the guy they want, I mean, REALLY want is there with their first pick and they think he won't there with your next pick, then you take him.
If he goes to camp and wins the job, then you start him.
Agreed. However, I don't see one that I would absolutely feel that I had to take at #4 and the team, in my view, has so many needs to fill. I hope that they (and Pettine) think about it the same way that I do. Maybe they won't, but I see them trying to improve the team.
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LOL Years in the league,, sure. Game experience, no.
I don't know if the new coach and OC will see it that way, or even close.
Maybe so, but I still think that of the QBs on the roster, Hoyer is the best one and it isn't even close. Even in limited playing time, it was brutally apparent. The team was fun to watch when he was the field general. When Campbell & Weeden were on the field, you knew that the team was in trouble. It didn't matter how well the team performed, it was more already likely to lose than to win even before the game started.
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I just don't want to see another Jake Delhomee
Agreed. It could. And don't we already have two Jake Delhommes on the roster with Campbell & Weeden?
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Hiring a good OC is big. Does anyone have a list of available guys who could be effective as our offensive coordinator?
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Wow i thought I was missing some solid coordinator info, but alas just more QB crap. I wouldn't be opposed to looking to the college ranks to fill the OC position. Especially since the NFL calling position coach to OC a lateral move kind of limits us.(assuming everyone acts like the Packers)
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Wow i thought I was missing some solid coordinator info, but alas just more QB crap. I wouldn't be opposed to looking to the college ranks to fill the OC position. Especially since the NFL calling position coach to OC a lateral move kind of limits us.(assuming everyone acts like the Packers)
I don't disagree with you about the OC (and DC, if the Bills refuse O'Neill to Pettine) and going into the college ranks. We have a young HC and he might want to bring in some young, innovative OC from the college ranks up to the NFL.
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Ian Rapoport reported a few coordinator names Browns maybe interested:
Jim O'Neil - Bills Linebacker coach
Greg Williams - Ex Titans and Saints Defensive Coordinator
Kyle Shanahan - Ex Washington Offensive Coordinator
Scott Linehan - Ex Detroit Offensive Coordinator and Ex Rams Head Coach
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Jim O'Neil - Bills Linebacker coach
Greg Williams - Ex Titans and Saints Defensive Coordinator
Kyle Shanahan - Ex Washington Offensive Coordinator
Scott Linehan - Ex Detroit Offensive Coordinator and Ex Rams Head Coach
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Someone who's offensive philosophy has been "Throw it deep to Randy Moss or Calvin Johnson."
Yeah, I'm going to have to pass on 3/4th of those guys. Hopefully we find some OC who knows what they're doing.
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thats what i'm concerned about now. the O coord spot. as a Defensive coach, he's gonna hire a guy he's worked with ofcourse, thats his strength, so i think we'll be ok there.
the problem is that offense.
Agreed, our D wasn't nearly as bad as our O.. And I think that if the O was better, the D wouldn't get so tired towards the end of games.
this is going to become a very interesting thread in the coming weeks.
Gawd I am sick and tired of reading and hearing that crap. The defense stunk of 3rd downs. They allowed so many long drives that it's ridiculous. The defense can always make a play on 3rd down to get off the field, and then they won't get so ...... "tired". 
I think that an effective offense will help the defense ...... but conversely, an effective defense can help the offense. I especially like the fact that his Buffalo defense was one of the tops in the NFL in sacks and INT. I really hope that we will finally be done with seeing the defense collapse on these idiotic 3rd and long, where we give up the 1st downs. That was one of the most disappointing aspects of Horton's defense last year ..... we'd do well on 1st and 2nd downs ....... maybe even creating negative plays ...... and then just blow it on 3rd down.
That was my hope for year 2 of Horton's defense, and it will be my hops changing over to Pettine's defense.
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Jim O'Neil - Bills Linebacker coach
Greg Williams - Ex Titans and Saints Defensive Coordinator
Kyle Shanahan - Ex Washington Offensive Coordinator
Scott Linehan - Ex Detroit Offensive Coordinator and Ex Rams Head Coach
So trusted 3-4 defensive coach
Bounty Boy
Shanny's son
Someone who's offensive philosophy has been "Throw it deep to Randy Moss or Calvin Johnson."
Yeah, I'm going to have to pass on 3/4th of those guys. Hopefully we find some OC who knows what they're doing.
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It's a good idea, but I'd prefer it if Josh wasn't our 1st through 6th options like what happens with Linehan's offenses.
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I wonder if Kyle Shanahan would do good to get out from under his Dad's mess. He had mediocre success when he was the offensive coordinator for the Texans (08-09) with a very good passing game and no running game (the Texans were 3rd and 4th in total yards gained the years he was there). He then moved to the Redskins where he had fat Donovan McNabb his first year and then Rex Grossman his second year. He then had RGIII who had great success. Obviously everything went to crap this past season.
I don't like Gregg Williams as an option. The whole bounty thing rubbed me the wrong way. He has been a very successful defensive coordinator in the past.
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Agreed. That recording he had really just didn't sit right in my stomach. Go after Crabtree's knee. Aim for Frank Gore's head. That and the Saint's superbowl run. They just constantly seemed to hit the QB late, it just reaked of cheap shottness. I remember watching that game against the Cardinals and it just made me upset. Probably because I am a big Kurt Warner fan, but that game and then the one against the Vikings and Favre. Non-stop late hits. And for some reason the refs let them get away with it.
He's had plenty of success. Very good DC. But I'd rather go with someone else than that guy. These are people, and I dunno if Greg Williams got caught in the moment or what, but that speech he gave his guys for the 49er game just made him seem like a total villain.
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He was definitely a dirty coach ..... but man, he is a very good DC.
That said .... the new coach seems to want to do things the right way ...... and I don't think that hiring Williams would be consistent with that message. I would look in a different direction.
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I was looking at some successful teams' QB coach situations to see if any names would jump out as a possible OC candidate. I was surprised to read the bio of Pittsburgh's QB coach. He's been a WR coach, worked with Ben, and brought the spread offense successfully to Memphis on the college level. Not saying that translates into great OC, but he might be worth a phone call with that depth of experience. His name is Randy Fichtner.
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Hell,, they may look at Hoyer and say,, no way to him as well. (I don't believe that will happen but it could)
Hoyer is known to be Lombardi's guy. My guess is that as long as Lombardi is around, Hoyer is around.
I was going to say that, but I don't know 100% that it's true or media spin..
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I think Campbell is gone before Weeden. It may not happen that way on a time line....just saying I don't see any way we pay him what he is due, and that isn't saying Weeden sticks.
I think it is Hoyer, drafted player, Weeden or another.....drafted or a FA of some sort.
I think I said something just like that. Campbell or another Vet and Hoyer and a Rookie..
I just can't see how they can keep Weeden. I mean, seriously, how many shuttle passes are too many? The guy panics. I don't know jack about QB's really, but if I can see it, I gotta believe they do.
As for Campbell, he just doesn't win. I don't know why. Sometimes he plays well enough to win but it seems like something always goes wrong. Interception, pass block, defensive collapse... it's almost like the guy is snakebit
Anyway, he's got one more year on his contract and if they can't find anyone better, then I guess he's here.
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j/c
noting that I'm a little sad to not see Bloomgren's name in the mix for OC. of course, he might be in the mix and not mentioned, but he's the guy with Pettine ties that I'd want.
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backup...I like Weeden as a back up..not too expensive and quite frankly I like him better than Campbell. Hoyer and rookie draft pick...I think a given the 3rd QB I'd rather keep Weeden. At least he'll chuck it down field and not be so scared. And the one relief job he did we won.
OC...I thought Cam Cameron was in the mix...I know many like to kick him around cause of what happened in 2012 made him look bad. But before that he was considered to be an offensive genius...people usually don't change just opinion change. Either the guy is special or he isn't???
When did the Van Pelt guy say NO???
If we go with Cameron our O will be similar in theory - vertical stretch.
jmho...similar D n O is good with me
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When did the Van Pelt guy say NO???
I don't think he did, I think the Packers refused to allow him to be interviewed because he is under contract.
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