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When did the Van Pelt guy say NO???
I don't think he did, I think the Packers refused to allow him to be interviewed because he is under contract.
And they "promoted" him to QB coach from RB coach.
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Yes, but I included both Weeden & Campbell in the vital stat of wins and not just statistics.
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While I agree that's true, I can name two guys that NEVER should have started their first year and one that did but only after injuries.
They are, Couch and Carr. The other is Kosar.
Carr and Couch had nothing around them. Holes all over their Olines, got killed back there.
Kosar didn't start right off the bat and it was smart. He got a chance to get a feel for the game. Kosar probably could have started, he was just that smart. But who knows, had he started game one, he might have never ended up as good as he did.
So, 4th overall pick or not, That doesn't mean a person should start.
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You could replace Tony Romo with Kurt Warner as the UDFA QB. A surefire HOF QB and a has-been QB that has a problem in high-pressure games.
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The best available? Third string option? I'm not even convinced of that and cannot really accept the premise.
Yeah, best available or Campbell. Not sure what's wrong there. I don't like it either. but I think it's likely.
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In terms of Jake, he was at one time, a pretty darn good QB. Smart guy. But by the time he got here, he was done.
Campbell was a decent QB but not the answer. Weeden was a "Never Was".
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In terms of Jake, he was at one time, a pretty darn good QB. Smart guy. But by the time he got here, he was done.
I liked Jake and thought, until he got hurt, that he was playing very well for us. Much like Hoyer, he got knocked out too soon to make an impression...
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Jake was still a stop gap.. in his 10th or 11th year when he got here. He was a better version of DA... he would make some throws to wow you and he would make enough bone headed decisions to make you question him. He played some decent football in Carolina but he fell well short of what I would consider a great or elite QB.. That said, if he could have stayed healthy here, I think he could have at least brought some stability to the position for a couple years.
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So looking more at Jim O'Niel I notice that he was the DB coach for the Jets when Revis was there. If he becomes DC I really hope he can make Joe Haden jump into discussion of best corner.
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I expect the Browns to hire an experienced OC, not sure who...but I heard they are looking in that area
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Browns | Jim O'Neil top choice for DC jobThu, 23 Jan 2014 16:12:08 -0800 The Cleveland Browns would like to hire Buffalo Bills linebackers coach Jim O'Neil as their new defensive coordinator if he is able to get out of his current contract. Source: New York Daily News - Manish Mehta
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Could this possibly put Clowney in the picture at one and QB down to 26? Jimmy G might be there. Boyd will be there if that's going to be there style.
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I really don't see Pettine's hiring changing our outlook on the first round all that much.
And if we don't take a QB w/ pick # 4, we don't HAVE to go get one at #26. Especially Boyd. He's choking his way into the 4th or later.
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Not a Boyd fan either just threw him out there as a Manziel type guy.
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Hear there’s interest in Gary Kubiak for #Browns OC job. Would make sense, given team’s FA love for RB Ben Tate, who’d be in the same system
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I want nothing at all to do with Clowney. He is lazy, and does not seem to be a guy who really loves playing football.
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Me either YTown,
Reading Vers' take on the guy indicates to me he is Gerald Warren incarnate
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Reading Vers' take on the guy indicates to me he is Gerald Warren incarnate
Maybe it will take a coach like Pettine to shake him of that?
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Go back to 1999, the only reason that Couch started was because Policy panicked after the beating we took at the hands of the Steelers. Of course, I don't know that, but I believe that.
Well, Detmer got injured in that game and Couch actually came in and played because of it. Detmer was relegated to backup after that and then only saw action again because Couch got injured. Detmer started the first game and the last game in 1999 with Couch starting every game in-between.
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On Luck we agree, on RG3, I'd have taken him but I'd not have given up a bunch of picks to get him like Washington did.. No way
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Not that I'm even close to an expert, but I don't see a QB in this draft that is sure fire either.
There isn't one that is, but I honestly think that the best ones in the draft aren't being talked about too much and can be gotten later in the draft. I know that Derek Carr is being talked up again and I still like him but I don't think he'll be available where I would recommend the Browns drafting one.
I wouldn't consider one until at least the second round and probably not until the third. It all depends on how much hype these other QBs get chatted up and how the draft actually shakes out by the time the Browns are 'on the clock' in the second round.
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Yeah, best available or Campbell. Not sure what's wrong there. I don't like it either. but I think it's likely.
The only reasons that I think that Campbell stays around is that he was brought in by this FO and because Weeden may actually have a higher trade value. Yeah, I know, that sound ridiculous, but it's true. If the Browns can't deal Campbell, they may keep him only because they don't need the roster spot for someone else and they owner is willing to eat his contract terms.
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In terms of Jake, he was at one time, a pretty darn good QB. Smart guy. But by the time he got here, he was done.
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Campbell was a decent QB but not the answer. Weeden was a "Never Was".
Campbell might have been workable earlier in his career but he's nothing right now. He shouldn't even be considered for a roster spot but he might for the reasons stated above.
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Browns will make a run at former Texans coach Gary Kubiak from what I'm hearing to be Mike Pettine's offensive coordinator
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Never heard of the guy.
If he's anything like "Big Money", though, that's a guy you steer clear of.
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Browns will make a run at former Texans coach Gary Kubiak from what I'm hearing to be Mike Pettine's offensive coordinator
See, this is why I don't like Tweeter being used. It's like we didn't figure that out already.. 
This to me, is a meaningless post. No offense intended to you Memphis, you are just doing what your aloud to do. I just think it's kinda worthless... Carry on..
Without Tweeter we found out that the LB Coach from Buffalo is up for the DC job here and that Cam Cameron is possible for OC here.
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Browns will make a run at former Texans coach Gary Kubiak from what I'm hearing to be Mike Pettine's offensive coordinator
I actually like this move. 
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Not sure if anyone has posted this yet... http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10345300/gary-kubiak-unlikely-become-cleveland-browns-ocGary Kubiak unlikely for Browns Despite the Cleveland Browns showing interest, Gary Kubiak is unlikely to become the club's next offensive coordinator, a source tells ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. After finally ending their exhausting search for a head coach when they hired Mike Pettine on Thursday, the Browns are now in the process of assembling a staff under the former defensive coordinator. Kubiak, 52, was fired as coach of the Houston Texans in early December in the midst of his eighth season with the team. He posted a 61-64 record with the franchise. Kubiak's also had a health issue this season. He suffered a transient ischemic attack, or "mini-stroke," on Nov. 3 while walking off the field at halftime of the Texans' 27-24 loss to the Indianapolis Colts. He returned to the team after missing one game. Kubiak always has had an offensive background as coach, serving as offensive coordinator with the Denver Broncos for 11 seasons. He also was quarterbacks coach for the San Francisco 49ers in 1994, helping Hall of Fame quarterback and current ESPN analyst Steve Young to one of his best seasons. -------- Not a whole lot of meat to that argument. Is there a guy out there named A. Source. Andy Source? Andre Source? I always roll my eyes when they quote "a source". The health issue is a good point, but it's only a guess until we hear from Kubiak himself. There is nothing "mini" about a mini-stroke. That's serious stuff. Kubiak probably took a step back and evaluated his work/life balance, as anyone would.
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I don't know if the smiley face means you said that in sarcasm, but I actually and seriously would like for this to unfold/happen.
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Why are people talking about stuff in the coaching staff thread that has been discussed thousands of times when news like this is out there?
Kubiak would be a tremendous hire. He has coordinated some of the best offenses of all time and his running game pretty much doesn't fail.
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Adam Schefter : Despite the Browns interest, it is considered unlikely that former Texans head coach Gary Kubiak will become Cleveland's next offensive coordinator.
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Unlikely doesn't mean no! Don't crush our dreams Adam Schefter!
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Browns will make a run at former Texans coach Gary Kubiak from what I'm hearing to be Mike Pettine's offensive coordinator
See, this is why I don't like Tweeter being used. It's like we didn't figure that out already..
This to me, is a meaningless post. No offense intended to you Memphis, you are just doing what your aloud to do. I just think it's kinda worthless... Carry on..
Without Tweeter we found out that the LB Coach from Buffalo is up for the DC job here and that Cam Cameron is possible for OC here.
Completely disagree, I find better articles and more breaking news on Twitter than I would ever find anywhere else. Granted, speculation runs rampant on social media, but that come with the territory.
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This sucks cause Adam is one of the few sources that I actually take seriously when he reports something
He's very good, although I think Glazer has a few more sources.
Glazer is the absolute best with NFL news. The refs here could literally just embed his feed into this forum, and we'd all be up to date, that's how good he is.
Sounds like Kubiak is a no go. I really wonder who we will get.
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This to me, is a meaningless post. No offense intended to you Memphis, you are just doing what your aloud to do. I just think it's kinda worthless... Carry on..
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Glazer generally doesn't put much stuff out there. But if he does he is always right.
Schefter puts a lot out there and is right about 98% of the time.
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Browns will make a run at former Texans coach Gary Kubiak from what I'm hearing to be Mike Pettine's offensive coordinator
See, this is why I don't like Tweeter being used. It's like we didn't figure that out already..
This to me, is a meaningless post. No offense intended to you Memphis, you are just doing what your aloud to do. I just think it's kinda worthless... Carry on..
Without Tweeter we found out that the LB Coach from Buffalo is up for the DC job here and that Cam Cameron is possible for OC here.
Completely disagree, I find better articles and more breaking news on Twitter than I would ever find anywhere else. Granted, speculation runs rampant on social media, but that come with the territory.
Good for you. If you want to sift through a bunch of rumors and media hype in 25 words, be my guest, I think it sucks. I wish we hadn't allowed it here
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So if LaConfora had written a 500 word article on the fact that the Browns are interested in Kubiak, it should be posted.. but if he tweets it in 25 words, it should not be allowed.
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So you just have no clue how it works, so it sucks?
How do you know what I know?
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So if LaConfora had written a 500 word article on the fact that the Browns are interested in Kubiak, it should be posted.. but if he tweets it in 25 words, it should not be allowed.
His tweet is posted, two or three posts down, there is a article saying it's unlikely.
I could tweet anything, doesn't mean it's right or true. I could tweet that Kosar is the new OC for the Browns. I don't have to know if he is or not.
If there are 15 people in contention for the DC job, I can post 15 times with different names and someone on here would pick up each one of them and post it.
Tell me again the value in that?
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His tweet is posted, two or three posts down, there is a article saying it's unlikely.
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I could tweet anything, doesn't mean it's right or true. I could tweet that Kosar is the new OC for the Browns. I don't have to know if he is or not.
You could.. but if you were a long time sportswriter, NFL Network contributor, and commentator like La Canfora, more people would probably believe you and retweet you.
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If there are 15 people in contention for the DC job, I can post 15 times with different names and someone on here would pick up each one of them and post it.
Tell me again the value in that?
Isn't that basically what happened in the HC search threads only most of them were articles where one writer would list 3 or 4 guys we were considering? Somebody would post the article, somebody else would post an article saying they weren't intersted or that we had a different target.. and blahblahblah... tweeting is just a shorter faster way of achieving the same end.
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