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lurk more like me and those pesky thousands of posts problem wont happen!
You are asking Daman to read something and not have a comment about it? 
What a crazy thought
Oh look, my post count just went up again 
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Is that what people mean when they post nothing but +1?
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Seems like a cheap easy way to pump up your post total.
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It doesn't really add anything to the thread though.
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But I guess it can be fun. Well not really.
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But if you want to increase your post total that is the way to do it 
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+1... hey it works, only 32,000+ to go.
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Actually, I think Skrine is just fine as a #2 corner. He, and JMO, stepped up big time. Chris Owens was the weakness, which is likely why he was released, just not soon enough.
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Owens was released because the front office wanted to see McFadden in the lineup, no matter what. The coaches did not feel that he deserved the promotion. The front office then put Owens on IR to force the issue, and wound up having to release him a couple of weeks later when he forced the issue, because he wasn't injured.
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Actually, I think Skrine is just fine as a #2 corner. He, and JMO, stepped up big time. Chris Owens was the weakness, which is likely why he was released, just not soon enough.
I think Skrine is a servicable #2.... I'd love to upgrade to co-#1s... but it wouldn't be at the top of my priority list...
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Either way the pie was sliced, never should brought Owens here in the first place. I think McFadden would have had a chance to get better if he was given the 3rd corner spot at day one. I understand he was raw and Horton even made comments about his progress, but could it have been any worse than Owens at covering? That's debatable...
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Either way the pie was sliced, never should brought Owens here in the first place. I think McFadden would have had a chance to get better if he was given the 3rd corner spot at day one. I understand he was raw and Horton even made comments about his progress, but could it have been any worse than Owens at covering? That's debatable...
If he couldn't beat out Owens, and Owens was so terrible... where exactly is the value in playing McFadden over Owens??
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Either way the pie was sliced, never should brought Owens here in the first place. I think McFadden would have had a chance to get better if he was given the 3rd corner spot at day one. I understand he was raw and Horton even made comments about his progress, but could it have been any worse than Owens at covering? That's debatable...
If he couldn't beat out Owens, and Owens was so terrible... where exactly is the value in playing McFadden over Owens??
Well, it can be argued that Owens was a finished product. Skrine stunk when he got here. He has gotten a lot better. Maybe they felt McFadden had to play to get better.
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Either way the pie was sliced, never should brought Owens here in the first place. I think McFadden would have had a chance to get better if he was given the 3rd corner spot at day one. I understand he was raw and Horton even made comments about his progress, but could it have been any worse than Owens at covering? That's debatable...
If he couldn't beat out Owens, and Owens was so terrible... where exactly is the value in playing McFadden over Owens??
help me out here, wasn't McFadden injured during camp? Then at some point, he became healthy ? I seem to remember something like that but don't feel like looking it up.
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where exactly is the value in playing McFadden over Owens??
Leon is raw, young talent with upside. Owens is a veteran (four years at Atlanta as nickel corner) that showed his upside level being virtually nothing.
If we are going to put a nickel/third corner out there that can't cover, give the job to Leon where he can learn and use his youth to make himself more of an "asset". JMO.
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Well, it can be argued that Owens was a finished product. Skrine stunk when he got here. He has gotten a lot better. Maybe they felt McFadden had to play to get better.
Didn't see this until after I posted, but exactly how I felt about the situation minus having to pay Owens anything for his poor services.
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If we are going to put a nickel/third corner out there that can't cover [and your team sucks], give the job to Leon where he can learn and use his youth to make himself more of an "asset". JMO.
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Owens was released because the front office wanted to see McFadden in the lineup, no matter what. The coaches did not feel that he deserved the promotion. The front office then put Owens on IR to force the issue, and wound up having to release him a couple of weeks later when he forced the issue, because he wasn't injured.
Prove it.
Oh wait, you don't have to. It's a slam on the FO and those types of things don't need proof. Opinion is good enough.
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Owens was released because the front office wanted to see McFadden in the lineup, no matter what. The coaches did not feel that he deserved the promotion. The front office then put Owens on IR to force the issue, and wound up having to release him a couple of weeks later when he forced the issue, because he wasn't injured.
Prove it.
Oh wait, you don't have to. It's a slam on the FO and those types of things don't need proof. Opinion is good enough.
Owens was released after being placed on IR which means he was healthy. I am not sure about all the other stuff.
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We all know that Owens was released after being declared healthy. That was reported. The other stuff he said sounds like BS to me. I never read those facts? Did you?
I think he is making it up in a lame attempt to make the FO look bad. Prove me wrong.
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I think he is making it up in a lame attempt to make the FO look bad. Prove me wrong.
I don't know if that's what he is trying to do or not. But I think it makes the coaching staff look worse than the front office. If you are not going anywhere in a particular season you should want to play the unknown commodity to see what he can do.
Also, don't front offices pull this type of stuff all the time?
And stop with the "Prove me wrong" crap. There are a lot of things that are not proven that we know happened for sure.
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Pluto reported it. (IIRC) Here's one from Grossi, on a relatively quick Google search. Tony Grossi Dishes On Firing Of Rob Chudzinski - Dawgs By Nature http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2013/12/30/5256590/tony-grossi-dishes-on-firing-of-rob-chudzinskiThe next big piece of news here is the degree of meddling in coaching decisions by this front office. It's no secret that the Browns were working with a thin roster in some areas due to injuries or other factors. The secret was that management and the coaches weren't on the same page when it came to dealing with that issue. The front office wanted young guys thrown into the fire and Chud wanted to stick with some veterans. Take this example: A case in point was the quick de-activation of cornerback Chris Owens on injured reserve to give playing time to rookie draft pick Leon McFadden, whom the coaches had buried on the bench. Owens later asked for his release once he was medically cleared from a knee injury and was signed by the Miami Dolphins. This sort of behavior was reported elsewhere as well.
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I wonder who he's referring to. Banner? Haslam? Lombardi? Farmer?
A guy like Banner should NEVER dictate what goes on on the field.. He doesn't have the credentials for that.
Same with the rest of them.
If you hire a coach, let him coach...
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I want to get a free post in here somehow...lol 
But I cannot resist to talk football - 
Pretty sure Owens actually played in a game. Owens got hurt in the later part of the season so it couldn't have been a serious injury to go on the IR. It was most definitely a questionable move by the FO...if not on purpose then out of incompetence one or the other we had UDFA rookies out there not only McFadden.
Owens picked up his play his last 3-4 prior to the injury - knowledge is so important to a CB he was a nothing FA pick up but a definite difference out there from the rookies that were put out there. This among other thing was why I was upset with the fire cause I thought coaches and FO alike were playing for the future not for Wins in 2013. Which I was ok with...make evaluations, know what you got, what you need to get and carry on for 2014. I was OK until poof they fired Chud as in HUH?!? Well the rest is history I guess.
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There were rumors published after Chud's firing that he and Lombardi did not gt along.
For the skeptic .... a simple Google search can find it. This does not mean that it is 100% certain fact ..... but a few different writers wrote about it, and so my belief is that there was some friction between the coaches and Lombardi. I cannot prove it 100% ..... and no one can "prove" much of anything that happens inside the team 100% ..... but this explanation of events fits.
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This is my biggest problem with this FO .. Run the front office , scouting , FA , Draft and so on , but let the Coach / Coach ; stay the hell out of his way !
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This is my biggest problem with this FO .. Run the front office , scouting , FA , Draft and so on , but let the Coach / Coach ; stay the hell out of his way !
In theory I agree with you but there is a big gray area with respect to FA and the Draft and how much input the coach should have.
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Coaches should be able to contribute a needs list in the planning of the roster regarding FA especially for Depth.
Draft they should attend the final meeting in making of the board voicing their preferences. In future years not the first year of Coaching staff's era. There would be time for the Coaching staff to get down n dirty in a lot of the scouting and Pre-draft board activities. But in the first year there is a lot of organizational things and review of the current roster that needs to be done so they are automatically dependent on the FO for FA n Draft reviews.
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But how much input should they have? The coaches submit the list that says, "We need a DE/OLB." Ok, so there are a few of them out there, some better against the run, some better at rushing the passer, some better at dropping into coverage... do you leave it up to the FO to pick the one they think you need?
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The coach should definitely have input to be able to say what type of player the FO should bring in. The FO should never dictate that to the coaches.
The FO should then take what the coach asks for and find them the player that fits the coach's needs (and their contract parameters).
You either trust the coach to know what he needs - and you respect that enough to go by what he tells you, or you shouldn't be hiring him.
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That's pretty much my philosophy as well.
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You either trust the coach to know what he needs - and you respect that enough to go by what he tells you, or you shouldn't be hiring him.
and its corollary: " You either trust the coach to know what he needs - and you respect that enough to go by what he tells you, or you shouldn't have your job."
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and its corollary: " You either trust the coach to know what he needs - and you respect that enough to go by what he tells you, or you shouldn't have your job."
I agree with you guys, but I'd word it a bit differently
The GM needs to respect the coach enough to ask for his input, weigh it fully in his decisions, and provide the coach with the type of players that he needs to win.
The coach needs to respect the GM enough to offer honest feedback to those questions and trust that the GM and scouts are making wise decisions to give him the type of players that he needs to win.
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There are a lot of rumors out there. My problem is when people talk about these rumors and state them as fact. Other people pick up on it and all of a sudden the perception of it being factual outweighs the truth of it only being a rumor.
I will be upset if our FO is dictating which players to play. That is the job of the coaching staff. Our last regime drafted the players, chose who made the roster, and picked who the starters were. I despised that philosophy and will be upset if our FO is doing the same thing.
I do think that the FO should draft the players w/input from the coaching staff. They have much more time to invest than the coaches do. However, in terms of who makes the roster and who plays.......that should be left to the coaching staff and not the suits in the office.
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However, in terms of who makes the roster and who plays.......that should be left to the coaching staff and not the suits in the office.
Unless the coaching staff is being stupid about who they are playing. Like playing a veteran who is no good over an unknown rookie during a lost season.
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The coach should definitely have input to be able to say what type of player the FO should bring in. The FO should never dictate that to the coaches.
The FO should then take what the coach asks for and find them the player that fits the coach's needs (and their contract parameters).
You either trust the coach to know what he needs - and you respect that enough to go by what he tells you, or you shouldn't be hiring him.
I agree.
I don't think all coaches should have control, but they should have a voice that is listened to.....he's the coach, he's telling others what he needs.
That said, I have a feeling Haslam is going to pull his veto card out a great deal when others don't agree with the coach.
Not that he never will never will go with Joe or Mike, but I think this coach was a Haslam hire. Fit's his personality....strong, independent. I understand the Tennessee way of thinking. Pettine is going to get strong support from the owner. His voice is going to be heard.
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Yeah, I can see them talking to the coach and having the coach justify why he is playing Player X over Player Y. I get that.
My problem is when the GM dictates who makes the team and who plays. The GM's tend to want their players to play. It's a real problem for some teams. Job security plays an important role.
Say a GM's high draft picks aren't playing after having been beaten out by players that were already on the team or were picked up off the street. The owner might be questioning the GM's drafting ability. The coach wants to play the best player. Sometimes, there is a conflict of interest.
I know that happened w/H and H. I hope it isn't happening again.
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Well we know our GM didn't force people to play because Weeden played over Lombardi's man crush Hoyer.
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True. That's a good sign.
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Exactly.
It's also a good sign that Lombardi liked Hoyer, brought him here, and he looked great until hurt.
I have high hopes for the guy.
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