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If this team isn't desperate for a QB, then I don't know what team could ever be. The QB position has been an anchor, dragging this team down to the depths, and drowning everyone in its wake for years.
Despite spending multiple first round draft picks on QBs, bringing in loads of washed-up veterans at the position and giving younger and more talented QBs with less recognition more time wallowing on the bench.
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Now I am not saying that we should go draft just any QB in the 1st round, but there are 3 QB in this draft who carry a 1st round grade .... at least according to most draft information I have read.
What about your own assessments? And I don't think that any of those three QBs are worthy of a Top 5 selection. Of the three, I would only recommend taking one of the three in the top half of the draft and he's the least discussed one of the three.
I actually like Derek Carr more than most people posting here do, but I think that he should be available at #26 if the Browns want him there. He may go earlier than that because the hype machine will work it's magic on the others, moving his stock up by default.
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We are desperate for a QB. We should draft one each and every year until we find the right one. We will go nowhere without the right QB. Not in the AFCN. I don't want to settle for a schlub QB and maybe battling it out for 3rd place. We need to find the right guy, and then we can challenge for the top of the division.
You are desperate for the QB position to be filled by a first rounder and you're willing to sell the team down the river to get one. The RG3 debacle should have proved the fallacy of your thinking but that seems lost on you. Washington is trying to move Cousins and recoup something from it. If they were smart, they'd try to unload RG3 (as unpopular as it may be) for the highest offer they can get.
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I saw all of that, Jester. However, it is irrelevant on whether or not we should draft a QB.
There are no sure things in any draft. Heck, Clowney has more question marks than any of the top guys in the draft. Why aren't people freaking out about him? And do we really want to draft a number 2 WR w/the 4th overall pick? Are those two guys "sure things?"
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I get that we need a QB Ytown, No problem from me on that. Read this MKC interview with Farmer.. This is the way you do it.. http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...t_flyout_sports
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I realize that it's hard for you to keep up, but I was replying to several statements that were made since the last time I posted. One of your statements was included. I did not want to make a separate post for each statement.
Desperate man? I have studied these QBs and I find them to be excellent prospects. Have you studied them? No, you read a thing here or there and then make an "expert" opinion while dismissing those of us who did study them.
Sounds like the thinking of a foolish man.
It's especially hard to follow when people quote you out of context like you often do to people..
Read this:
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...t_flyout_sports
This is the way it needs viewed...
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I get that we need a QB Ytown, No problem from me on that.
Read this MKC interview with Farmer.. This is the way you do it..
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...t_flyout_sports
What part, specifically, did you find to be insightful?
It's a ton of "GM Speak". He offers no real insight into his plans (Which some feel is the correct way to approach things. Heckert was just the opposite, and was extremely honest and forthcoming in interviews) He basically said that he is not willing to give away any information.lol
No matter who he is asked about you get the generic "Obviously so and so is a good player. We have to decide whether or not he fits, and what the cost is ....."
Maybe the guy he likes isn't the one that people associate with us. Then again, maybe he is. Who knows? We don't, and I am quite sure that's the way he likes it.
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Early on, Farmer says this: Quote:
Q: The guy you have in mind, would you take him at No. 4?
A: I'd say that No. 4 is not necessarily where I would take the guy that I like. Again, it may not be the name that everybody thinks is the latest, greatest, and the easy one to spot. There's definitely an art to selecting people in the draft and it's finding the right name that fits who you want to be.
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Q: What do you think of Johnny Football? Your offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan has already said, 'who wouldn't like him?'
A: He's a good football player. That's what Kyle recognizes, that guys that are exciting to watch and can play football, that's positive. The really good ones are easy to spot. The guys that jump off the tape, those are the fun ones and those are the days that you sit in the film room and wish you could watch two more games.
The words "easy to spot" in each quote might be a "tell" on Farmer's real thoughts. Or, I suppose they might be an example of a really subtle smokescreen. I thought it was interesting use of words, though.
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Q: The guy you have in mind, would you take him at No. 4?
A: I'd say that No. 4 is not necessarily where I would take the guy that I like. Again, it may not be the name that everybody thinks is the latest, greatest, and the easy one to spot. There's definitely an art to selecting people in the draft and it's finding the right name that fits who you want to be.
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Q: What do you think of Johnny Football? Your offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan has already said, 'who wouldn't like him?'
A: He's a good football player. That's what Kyle recognizes, that guys that are exciting to watch and can play football, that's positive. The really good ones are easy to spot. The guys that jump off the tape, those are the fun ones and those are the days that you sit in the film room and wish you could watch two more games.
The words "easy to spot" in each quote might be a "tell" on Farmer's real thoughts. Or, I suppose they might be an example of a really subtle smokescreen. I thought it was interesting use of words, though.
to answer Ytown, this is what I found revealing.
He thinks. that's gotta be new for a Cleveland GM 
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That is rather interesting. It is hard to know what it true and what is a bluff.
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j/c YT
We will take Manziel, Bortles or Bridgewater with the 4th. Too many holes to fill to be giving away first round picks. If, and I think it's highly unlikely, all three are gone when we pick we'll take Clowney. I have zero problems with this scenario.
I want Manziel here bad and unless the Texans take him I think he falls to us. If another Team trades up for a QB and all three are gone, then Clowney is an outstanding consolation prize! If we end up with Bortles or Bridgewater I'm sure we can make that work. So stay at 4 Take the best QB on the board of those 3 or Clowney. Problem solved.
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I have a huge problem with drafting Clowney.
He is lazy and unmotivated. He cares more about a paycheck than he does about his teammates, or about being great. He sat out games at S. Carolina with such minor injuries that Peyton Hillis was embarrassed.
I will be highly and extremely disappointed if we draft him. He is nt what I want to see out of a Cleveland Browns player. I would prefer an extremely hard working and motivated average player to a great player who doesn't give a damn.
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Vers...read the link Daman gave I was going to post it for you cause I know you were wondering if Farmer had the same dedication to taking a QB...he does and as I stated he is the guy that we sent to see these kids play - he was in charge of evaluating the QBs.
I thought this in the article to be rather interesting:
Q: The guy you have in mind, would you take him at No. 4?
A: I'd say that No. 4 is not necessarily where I would take the guy that I like. Again, it may not be the name that everybody thinks is the latest, greatest, and the easy one to spot. There's definitely an art to selecting people in the draft and it's finding the right name that fits who you want to be.
Now that can be a combo of Draft smoke and mirrors or the actual truth.
Cause when slotting players if you go look at the different site rating the prospect. Manziel will be like #15 or something and yet the same sight might have him going #1 in the draft.
So Farmer might be saying something to that regard. That the guy they like wouldn't be slotted for #4...which doesn't mean we won't take him at number 4 at all. Or possibly he really likes somebody like Garafalo or something so that he will take him at 26 n either trade back not too far at #4 or take a good player there.
But I think we are taking a QB at #4 
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I have a huge problem with drafting Clowney.
I don't have as big a problem with drafting him. He has talent. If it can be harnessed, then he would be a good piece of the defense.
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He is lazy and unmotivated. He cares more about a paycheck than he does about his teammates, or about being great. He sat out games at S. Carolina with such minor injuries that Peyton Hillis was embarrassed.
See statement above. If the front office sees the same traits and doesn't think that he can be motivated, then they should pass on him or trade the slot away to a team that wants him or some other player that's available.
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I will be highly and extremely disappointed if we draft him. He is not what I want to see out of a Cleveland Browns player. I would prefer an extremely hard working and motivated average player to a great player who doesn't give a damn.
True, we don't need any more Courtney Brown or Gerard Warren types but if the Browns think they can get the talent out of him, then they could take him.
I've been a proponent (for several years now) of trading back and acquiring more picks. Even more than we had a few years ago. I remember some were saying, "You won't have all 13 picks make your roster. Trade away some and move up." That got us Trent Richardson.
We have 10 selections this time. If the Browns could turn it into 15, my advice would be to do it. Yes, I would trade out of the #4 spot. I'd trade back multiple times. I would even trade completely out of the first round (yes, both firsts gone) if I could get more selections this year and accumulate even more selections for next year.
Yes, I think that quality is important but I think that quantity is equally important. As an example, if a team could get two quality players at a position instead of one, who is better off?
Let's say, for example, you draft Nick Foles in 2012 and then Mike Glennon in 2013. Are you better off than drafting RG3 or even Andrew Luck? How about Colin Kaepernick in 2011 & Russell Wilson in 2012?
I actually wouldn't mind drafting two QBs in this draft (especially if we acquire more selections), but neither one would be first rounders. Maybe 2nd and 3rd rounders or even 3rd and 4th rounders.
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Don't worry, the Browns will draft a QB. I just don't think that it's one of the 'Top 3' and it won't be with the #4 overall selection. I also don't think that the Browns will be moving up in the draft from #4 to #1, #2 or #3 either.
You don't think that they will or you don't think that they should? If you don't think they will, why?
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Don't worry, the Browns will draft a QB. I just don't think that it's one of the 'Top 3' and it won't be with the #4 overall selection. I also don't think that the Browns will be moving up in the draft from #4 to #1, #2 or #3 either.
You don't think that they will or you don't think that they should? If you don't think they will, why?
Why do I not think that they'll draft a QB at #4? Because of Farmer's comments.
I actually like the lesser discussed QBs that are in the draft. I like Derek Carr, but I think that he could be gone before the Browns are ready to draft a QB. I have other players that will probably be available at #26 higher than I have him. A number of them, actually. I'm not sure he'll be there come the Browns 2nd round selection, but there are probably going to be players that I still have rated higher there. I have repeatedly said that there are a number of QBs that I like in the 3rd round or even later that might be available. We'll have to see how things go. I like both of the QBs that went down with injuries (Mettenberger & Murray) more than any of the others. I don't mind McCarron too much either.
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I thought you didn't like Weeden? Yet, you like Carr? Why? They are very similar.
They both panic under pressure. Their mechanics fall apart when pressured. They both become inaccurate under pressure. They both check-down when pressured.
You know, it's okay to be "different," but you should have reasons as to why you have a different opinion.
Teddy is the smartest qb to come out since Rodgers. He reads defenses. He reads coverages. He moves in the pocket while keeping his eyes down field. He doesn't lose accuracy when pressured. He actually exploits the blitz. But, you don't want him.
Weird.
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Because of Farmer's comments.
Which comments? Can we believe anything any front office person says at this time of the year?
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No. GMs know they are going to get grilled this time of year on which guys they like, and they know that there is a huge competitive advantage to not let it be known.
All Farmer said is that he likes a QB and it may or may not be the obvious guy? What useful info could possibly be gleaned from that?
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Early on, Farmer says this:
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Q: The guy you have in mind, would you take him at No. 4?
A: I'd say that No. 4 is not necessarily where I would take the guy that I like. Again, it may not be the name that everybody thinks is the latest, greatest, and the easy one to spot. There's definitely an art to selecting people in the draft and it's finding the right name that fits who you want to be.
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Q: What do you think of Johnny Football? Your offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan has already said, 'who wouldn't like him?'
A: He's a good football player. That's what Kyle recognizes, that guys that are exciting to watch and can play football, that's positive. The really good ones are easy to spot. The guys that jump off the tape, those are the fun ones and those are the days that you sit in the film room and wish you could watch two more games.
The words "easy to spot" in each quote might be a "tell" on Farmer's real thoughts. Or, I suppose they might be an example of a really subtle smokescreen. I thought it was interesting use of words, though.
It could be a tell, it could be smokescreen, it could just be nothing. Nobody really knows. I have watched a couple videos of Farmer and he seems like a cerebral guy. Let's not put it past him to use the same phrase in different contexts, or to be able to put off a tell or reverse tell.
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Vers read it Tabber, but he quoted ONLY the one Question and answer that fit his belief on Farmer.
And he did so out of context. Typical.
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I thought you didn't like Weeden? Yet, you like Carr? Why? They are very similar.
I don't think so. I think Carr is better than Weeden. It isn't even close.
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They both panic under pressure. Their mechanics fall apart when pressured. They both become inaccurate under pressure. They both check-down when pressured.
I stated that I wouldn't take Carr with the intention of starting him right away. I would also write it into his contract that he had to take some martial arts training.
Carr can read a defense better than Weeden can. He's got a better arm than Weeden does. He's younger than Weeden is. He's more accurate than Weeden is. He doesn't attempt underhanded throws in the flat. He has some wheels and uses them if he has to.
My problems with him are, like Weeden, he almost never took a snap under center. But there are things that can be done to compensate for that. I don't think that Peyton Manning ever did either.
As for the 'pass rush' rattles, it could be problematic, but that can be coached out of a young QB. I also expect that he'll have better OL play than he did at Fresno State.
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You know, it's okay to be "different," but you should have reasons as to why you have a different opinion.
And there they are.
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Teddy is the smartest qb to come out since Rodgers.
Based on what? Andrew Luck must be silly stupid in your world.
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He reads defenses. He reads coverages. He moves in the pocket while keeping his eyes down field. He doesn't lose accuracy when pressured. He actually exploits the blitz. But, you don't want him.
Nope. I don't want him. He's a twig.
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Weird.
Yeah, weird. Isn't it?
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Well, we agree on one thing.
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Are you trying to set a record for personal insults against one poster in one day?
Man, it's like you do your best to make this board intolerable.
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Because of Farmer's comments.
Which comments? Can we believe anything any front office person says at this time of the year?
Why not? It's not like he gave you answers to who he wants to draft. All he said is that doesn't necessarily take a superstar QB. If you have a game manager type of QB, you can win if you put them in the position to win.
He also said that his choice isn't who most people are talking about. How many QBs aren't being talked about? There are plenty of QBs in the draft but mostly three of them are getting 95% (maybe more) of the attention focused on them.
Aside from the 'top 3' QBs, there is Carr, Garoppolo, Mettenberger, Murray, McCarron, & Fales. All of them are seniors and most could be had in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th rounds.
That gives a lot of people plenty to consider. And I did note that it could all be a smoke screen, but that's kind of silly at this point. It isn't like they'll be able to hide these QBs performances at the combines and college pro days. While it's true, they could have some of them in for a private work out, that'll only be seen by the Browns and only they will be able to make an assessment from any such workout.
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