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Over the next month we're going to hear this ALOT. NFL.com is already reporting Cousins has requested a trade. OF course we will be at the center of it. In the article it even mentions Lombardi writing in 2012 about Shanny and Cousins being an intriguing package in the future. So I ask everyone let's dissect Cousins. Just like we do Teddy, Johnny and everyone else. Let's hammer this out so people have some reasoning behind preferences rather than not having to use a 1st on a QB. We all know how enticing that is so let's go deeper. Cousins open to Trade Kirk vs Georgia in college Kirk vs RG3 Scouting Report
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tired of reasons not to use a 1st on a QB.
i'm good on trying to get cousins. let somebody else overpay for this dude. Matt flynn, anybody? matt cassel, hell, matt shaub?
we need to get teddy...or manziel. i'm tired of our team trying to find ways to avoid drafting a top talent QB.
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I'm good with Hoyer and a young guy. Be it Teddy, Johnny or Jimmy G. Who, if the choice would allow us to draft differently at 4.
Pettine doesn't have a shot to stick unless we finally solidify the QB spot.
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Hey thanks for helping the thread instead of pushing your own personal agenda. Love your dissection of Cousins. Real insightful guys  There are enough threads to do that. It is not the purpose here.
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dissect him?
that guy is another matt flynn in the making. does good in a back up roll, gets paid on another team, loses his job.
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And you base that off of past experiences. Things change. There's absolutely a zero percent chance you know that. Tell me otherwise I don't care. He's not my choice but why bicker back and forth for the next month about this newly added dynamic when we could take an educated look at him.
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10/27@ Broncos.....55.6..........48.........0...........2............31.0
Regular Season........52.3.........854........4...........7............58.4
We have Hoyer already, why would we want to trade away a pick just to kick the tires on this guy? If he was a FA or they cut him, sure take a flyer on the guy but not if you have to pay for the privilege.
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We've had a parade of backups brought through here since 1999. We've nearly all had enough.
I just see him and Hoyer as back ups with Hoyer more experienced.
And I base the experienced statement mostly on who Hoyer has tutored under.
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fine...
i'm looking at the game 2 years ago. his first start.
first note: man our D was horrible after the 1st 2 drives
second. that roll out on his first TD. thats a throw that should've been picked off. triple coverage..
most of the game he is throwing 4-5 yards past the LOS, TE's and RB's making more of the plays than actualy Qb'ing. the bootlegs, and his pocket, thats more a testament to how bad our line played. him having time in the pocket has nothing to do with...well, him. and even still, he is waiting on his WR's to get open, very little timing routes. his WR's are wide open have the time.
was that garcon? they did a play action pass in the red zone, Cousins had somebody in his face, but garcon was so Wide open he just chucked it up there. that scheme impress me more than cousins did.
he has excellent zip on the ball, he lasered one in on a slant route. but he floated quite a bit, whether it be to keep it from being tipped, but when there was actual PRESSURE, he folded, passes hitting the ground, or just inaccurate.
but he was a rookie, so you have to give him credit.
but on that note, theres a REASON he was a what? 6th? 7th rounder? look at the games last year, he was getting murdered.
i wouldn't be interested at all. he's wants to start, which is great cause who wants to come into the NFL and ride the bench, but we already have a 6th or 7th rounder on this team who has demonstrated everything Cousins has done: Hoyer.
so i don't see why we would want to trade for a type of player we already have on the team. the only reason i would look at him is if the redskins want a 5th or 6th for him, and our FO deemed no QB in the draft worthy of a high pick.
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4th Round.
QB taken (15 picks) infront of him. Nick Foles.
Not that that matters.
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Thank you. I know you guys have good insight even if it's negative. That's exactly how I feel. I wanted it all out on the table. I'm worried this could come to fruition and it scares the crap out of me.
I think it would likely cost a 4th just to throw that in there. That's where he was taken.
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yea i mean, unless the FO are like mad scientist, the only benefit from swapping out Cousins with Hoyer is that he is younger.
and has experience with Kyle, but i wonder if Kyle would even say anything about any guy on the Redskins, seeing as he might be looking for a completely fresh start. and with the way RG3 gets banged up, the skins might be asking even more for cousins.
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To be honest, I would take Cousins for our second third, preferably our fourth and give me Bortles at four. We could let go of the dead weight of Weeds and Cambell and let Bortles sit and learn for a year.
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To be honest, I would take Cousins for our second third, preferably our fourth and give me Bortles at four. We could let go of the dead weight of Weeds and Cambell and let Bortles sit and learn for a year.
Learn from Cousins and Hoyer? I'd rather throw Bortles right in. He'd have a good shot at beating either out in camp.
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Who's your starter?
Guys like Cousins and Mallet are ganna get traded to a team that needs a starter. Probably ganna sign a huge extension etc.
Having Hoyer AND Cousins seems redundant.
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He is a 4th round talent, at best. If we trade for him, I would give up a 7th, possibly a 6th but nothing higher.
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He is a 4th round talent, at best. If we trade for him, I would give up a 7th, possibly a 6th but nothing higher.
I don't understand that.
You call him a 4th round talent but then say you'll only give up a 6th?
You said he had 4th round talent. Which means with having actual NFL experience, he's better than anyone coming in the 4th maybe even 3rd this year. So how can you justify only giving a 6th?
If you don't want a guy that's cool. But to say where they were drafted two years earlier matters is like saying "Tom Brady was a 6th round talent, I'd give a conditional 7th for him now" 
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10/27@ Broncos.....55.6..........48.........0...........2............31.0
Regular Season........52.3.........854........4...........7............58.4
We have Hoyer already, why would we want to trade away a pick just to kick the tires on this guy? If he was a FA or they cut him, sure take a flyer on the guy but not if you have to pay for the privilege.
It would depend, quite honestly, what the compensation would be to acquire him. If you had to send a 7th rounder to the Redskins, I'd probably do it. I might give a 6th, but nothing more. The Redskins, because of the RG3 debacle, are draft pick starved. And yes, before anybody says that they're just lacking their first rounder, keep in mind that they gave up 4 picks for 1. They've been shorted on draft picks each of the past three years, and 2 of those 4 picks have been additional first rounders and the other was a high second rounder. That's some severe losses that aren't easily replaced. It is going to take time for that sting to go away - perhaps a decade.
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I think it would likely cost a 4th just to throw that in there. That's where he was taken.
The fourth was what was paid for him. Unlikely that's what they'll get for him. Brandon Weeden was taken in the first round (of the same draft!) and we're not likely to get that (or anything) for him.
Could we send Weeden to Washington for Cousins and a 4th, 5th or even a 6th? I'd do it.
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if a team offers a seasons worth of free hot dogs for weeden, we need to make that trade.
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If a team offers some pocket lint we need to make that trade.
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I called him a 4th round talent, AT BEST.
Right now I see him worth a 6th in trade. If he improves he might be worth a 4th but I doubt he would ever be much better than that.
Brady was a 6th round pick but he has 1st round talent.
Knowing what we know now. If Brady was in this draft, he goes 1st round. If Cousins was in this draft he goes 6th or 7th (JMO though some GM will probably disagree with me and trade something more for him). Cousins has some experience and has shown that he doesn't have what it takes to be a top Qb in the NFL.
There could be a guy in this draft that has 4th round value, but his talent could be much higher, requiring time and experience for that to be realized. Take a guy like Wenning. He will likely be drafted after the 4th round. Why? Because he is raw and needs development and coaching. However,he is a big guy with a strong accurate arm. He needs to learn how to read defenses, to make better decisions and become more consistent. With hard work he could develop and have 1st round value. But he won't go in the 1st. Those things he needs to acquire are not easy to develop so he may never be any good. So right now he doesn't have 1st round value.
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Not so sure. I think the cap hit for pocket lint might be too high - if I remember correctly. I will need to re-read the cap rules and regulations to confirm.
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If a team offers some pocket lint we need to make that trade.
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I just see him and Hoyer as back ups with Hoyer more experienced.
And I base the experienced statement mostly on who Hoyer has tutored under.
I don't think we can dismiss the "home town" flavor of Hoyer. He wants to win here and his "want" is REAL.. Not something manufactured for publicity or to extend a contract. that's just an opinion but for me, I look at him and listen to him talk and I think he's a Cleveland kid who really just wants to do well.
I have no idea if that will result in him being a great QB or even above average.. I'd surely like to find out. Hey, who doesn't like a "feel good Hometown boy does well" story LOL
As for Kirk Cousins, I understand he's kinda like the flavor of the week around here. Hey, if he's a guy they think can help, I don't have a problem with it. I really don't think I want to give up anything to get him however.
One thing you have to ask yourself. If Shanahan was as bad as has been reported, why would Cousins want to come come here if Shanny is here? *
* that's if the Twitter reports and subsequent legit articles have it right which are based off the twitter report.. we'll know tomorrow I guess.
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I'd rather spend a lower pick on a guy like Mettenberger or Murray than spend high picks for Cousins..
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Unless we get Kyle Shanahan.
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Unless we get Kyle Shanahan.
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I mentioned this in the thread searching for an OC.... Had some great replies from a few posters that made good points...So I would say no due to the fact they pointed out giving up a pick isn't worth the value.
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If a team offers some pocket lint we need to make that trade.
Id trade him for a ham sandwich, minus the ham.
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Any new reports on Twitter as to when they will make it official that he's our new OC?
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Any new reports on Twitter as to when they will make it official that he's our new OC?
lol, haters gonna hate.
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Any new reports on Twitter as to when they will make it official that he's our new OC?
The ticker on Madden 25 online said the hired him also if that makes you feel better.
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Cousins is an interesting option.
One thing the season teaches is that you need more than one guy and sometimes more than two if you expect to win.
If your starter goes down can you still win?
Weeden will most likely be cut. Campbell, he is ok to be on the roster but he can not be counted on to win games. So he can be looked upon as expendable.
If Cousins can be had for a third rounder he may be worth that. You draft your guy at four. You have Hoyer to start the season unless the rookie is just lights out. You have Cousins to compete. You let the cream rise to the top.
If you went into the season with "the rookie", Hoyer, and Cousins one would have to feel pretty good about competing week in and week out.
I have no problem with that scenario. Solutions, it is all about solving problems. Fix the obstacles that stand in the way of winning. The needs of the Browns are very obvious.
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Any new reports on Twitter as to when they will make it official that he's our new OC?
lol, haters gonna hate.
Geez, I admit to not like the idea of twitter on here, but I don't think I'm a hater.
We aren't getting anything from the mainstream media (at least I've not read anything) so I merely asked if there was a Twitter report and that apparently gets feathers ruffled.
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