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Browns want Barkevious Mingo to gain weight Posted by Josh Alper on February 6, 2014, 2:33 PM EST The Browns officially introduced the members of Mike Pettine’s first coaching staff on Thursday and defensive coordinator Jim O’Neil said he was excited by the young players that Cleveland has on defense. One of those players is Barkevious Mingo, the edge rusher who was drafted sixth overall last season. Mingo had five sacks in 15 games in a rotational role during a rookie season that was a bit less productive than hoped for on draft day. Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal reports that O’Neil said he’s a big fan of Mingo’s (so is his wife, who O’Neil revealed baked cupcakes for Bills staffers last year to prod them to draft the LSU product), but that doesn’t mean the new staff doesn’t see room to improve. Pettine said that the organization will push Mingo, who is listed at 240 pounds, to gain weight before next season. If a bigger Mingo can hold up better at the point of attack, he’d help his chances of being on the field more often next season. Pettine feels confident that the coaching staff can get Mingo to play like player the Browns wanted with the sixth overall pick and the results from Buffalo last year should make Mingo confident that the coaches know what they’re talking about. Pettine, O’Neil and linebackers coach Chuck Driesbach coached that Bills unit to 57 sacks last season, results they’d surely like to replicate with Mingo blossoming into a major threat to opposing quarterbacks.
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So how much weight are we talking? 10-20 pounds?
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As much as he can without it seriously impacting his speed I would imagine...
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Probably no less than 10 no more than 20.
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So you're saying 10-20lbs then?
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As I remember even before we drafted him we all thought he'd need 20 lbs. to be successful.
After hearing the new DC talk and seeing what the Bills did (57 sacks) I'm going to go out on a limb and say our LBs are going to have a good 2014.
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To be honest, I wouldn't want Mingo to gain anything more than 10lbs. His explosiveness is perhaps the best part of his game....why toy with that?
I understand the reasoning of adding more weight to oppose tackles (particular against the run) once he engages them but I thought he did a decent job making it difficult simply by how long he his.
Perhaps a larger issue (again, perhaps) was due to his decision making. I saw a number of times where he looked lost or just missed an assignment.
I guess I just don't want the weight issue to get to carried away...don't tweak his greatest asset....at least not that much.
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j/c I don't know if anyone else has read Collission Low Crossers: A Year Inside the Turbulent World of the NFL by Nicholas Dawidoff, but if you have not I strongly recommend you do. Not only is it a great look inside the world of the NFL in general, but the author was with the Jets organization throughout the 2011 season, and the person he spent the most time with was Mike Pettine. Jim O'Neil is also mentioned quite a bit, so it is a good look at some of our new staff. Anyway, the reason I bring it up is there is an exchange in the book that I think applies to Mingo. It is as follows: Quote:
[Rex] Ryan liked "the Missouri guy," Aldon Smith, even though he was deficient in the bench press.
"What's the easiest thing to do in the NFL?" Pettine asked, leaving Ryan to finish - "Add strength!"
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I wouldn't count on it. Most DC's do a 2 year method for their defense. 1st year is putting the basics down, and the second year is bringing the blitzes.
Mingo really should be playing 10-15 lbs heavier. Nothing more though and nothing less.
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To be honest, I wouldn't want Mingo to gain anything more than 10lbs. His explosiveness is perhaps the best part of his game....why toy with that?
Exactly! He doesn't strike me as the person, with his frame, who could gain much weight without it instantly effecting that speed/explosiveness.
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I am really puzzled by the idea that these guys can easily stack on 10-20 pounds of muscle. It goes against what I've read from guys like Lyle McDonald and Alan Aragon who actually train these guys muscular growth potential But it is such a common recommendation that I can't help but think these guys are either genetic freaks who can gain muscle very easily, they come into the league dramatically undertrained, or it is a wink wink situation that everyone is on steroids. I thought that Mingo's struggles last year were more between his ears in keeping contain etc. I'm not that optimistic for Mingo to be a top pass rusher in this league, but that wouldn't be the end of the world. It will be interesting to see how he develops.
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Browns want Barkevious Mingo to gain weight? LUCKY!!! That certainly sounds like a giant free pass to me to eat as much cheesecake from The Cheesecake Factory as humanly possible. Bon appetite!  Nothing tastes better and I'd bet probably nothing has more calories.
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wink wink situation that everyone is on steroids.
not necessarily steroids per say, but umm, yeah. welcome to the NFL.
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Phelps would be on a what? 15,000 calorie a day diet mostly cause his workout regimen was that intense.
You don't need steroids to get bigger. Sometimes its simple math...EAT Calories and not the cupcakes, and soda stuff. Volumes of the right food maybe 6 times a day with an enormous breakfast and daily workouts that would add muscle and burn off fat. Kreatine and other supplements are the worse. Yeah they get you bigger and fast but its all Water in the muscles that get them bigger and add weight. With a good strength and conditioner along with a nutritionist. You can get a program to get weight added on or turn big guys into more muscle and less fat so that don't drop too much weight but lose inches.
Jmho...hopefully he's been on a program since the season ended but then that could be another negative of NO CONTINUITY.
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I am really puzzled by the idea that these guys can easily stack on 10-20 pounds of muscle. It goes against what I've read from guys like Lyle McDonald and Alan Aragon who actually train these guys muscular growth potential
But it is such a common recommendation that I can't help but think these guys are either genetic freaks who can gain muscle very easily, they come into the league dramatically undertrained, or it is a wink wink situation that everyone is on steroids.
I thought that Mingo's struggles last year were more between his ears in keeping contain etc. I'm not that optimistic for Mingo to be a top pass rusher in this league, but that wouldn't be the end of the world. It will be interesting to see how he develops.
I gained over 30 pounds of muscle in a year and consumed no supplements other than protein bars and drinks. It can definitely be done, especially by a pro athlete with pro trainers.
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I'm sorry, but 30lbs of lean muscle without juicing or using some anabolic supplement/steroid is bordering the realm of impossibility given a year. You must be including added fat and etc.
Your diet and macro-nutrients would have to be 100% on the money and then followed 100% with extreme, strict and disciplined manner which I know for someone who works a 40-hour week regular job, it's extremely difficult to follow and monitor your macro intake. And even at that, 30 lbs of lean muscle is still a bit out there. Now, total gym noobies (people just starting to work out) could possibly experience that and more in a year, but for these athletes and etc who have already packed on muscle onto their frame, whose bodies are accumulated to working out and experiencing hypertrophy - it get's harder and harder to add lean mass. Many other factors play in too like age, test levels, genetics, etc.
I doubt Mingo could pack on 10+ lbs of lean muscle (excluding some fat) - in a years time without anabolics/HGH/something not legal... that is why when anabolics were available a long time ago (like Superdrol, 1-Androstenediol, 1-Testosterone , etc) - people who knew anything about anything would recommend not cycling any thing until after two years of solid working out, cause evetnaully every bodybuilder is going to hit a "stop-gap" or "plateau" where their body just stops gaining. JMO though.
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I'm sorry, but 30lbs of lean muscle without juicing or using some anabolic supplement/steroid is bordering the realm of impossibility given a year. You must be including added fat and etc.
Your diet and macro-nutrients would have to be 100% on the money and then followed 100% with extreme, strict and disciplined manner which I know for someone who works a 40-hour week regular job, it's extremely difficult to follow and monitor your macro intake. And even at that, 30 lbs of lean muscle is still a bit out there. Now, total gym noobies (people just starting to work out) could possibly experience that and more in a year, but for these athletes and etc who have already packed on muscle onto their frame, whose bodies are accumulated to working out and experiencing hypertrophy - it get's harder and harder to add lean mass. Many other factors play in too like age, test levels, genetics, etc.
I doubt Mingo could pack on 10+ lbs of lean muscle (excluding some fat) - in a years time without anabolics/HGH/something not legal... that is why when anabolics were available a long time ago (like Superdrol, 1-Androstenediol, 1-Testosterone , etc) - people who knew anything about anything would recommend not cycling any thing until after two years of solid working out, cause evetnaully every bodybuilder is going to hit a "stop-gap" or "plateau" where their body just stops gaining. JMO though.
I was a personal trainer, so I knew what I was doing with my diet and exercise. My bodyfat was 6%. My point is, it can be done. I'm sure a pro athlete who has his regimen planning handled for him could achieve the results being discussed in this thread, especially a genetic freak like Mingo.
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I'm sorry, but 30lbs of lean muscle without juicing or using some anabolic supplement/steroid is bordering the realm of impossibility given a year.
Are we pretending that NFL players don't use banned substances?
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Are we pretending that NFL players don't use banned substances?
definitely not. whether it be PED or banned substances for painkillers, right Ryan Clark?
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I'm sorry, but 30lbs of lean muscle without juicing or using some anabolic supplement/steroid is bordering the realm of impossibility given a year.
Are we pretending that NFL players don't use banned substances?
LMAO, are you serious bro? Now we all know the answer to that
I was just using Lemmy's statement of himself adding 30lbs of lean mass in a year 'without' anabolics and the natural way. Which if he wasn't a beginner, had few years of working out under his belt - and still managed to add that type of mass then that would be something to go into a Science magazine...
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I am really puzzled by the idea that these guys can easily stack on 10-20 pounds of muscle. It goes against what I've read from guys like Lyle McDonald and Alan Aragon who actually train these guys muscular growth potential
But it is such a common recommendation that I can't help but think these guys are either genetic freaks who can gain muscle very easily, they come into the league dramatically undertrained, or it is a wink wink situation that everyone is on steroids.
I thought that Mingo's struggles last year were more between his ears in keeping contain etc. I'm not that optimistic for Mingo to be a top pass rusher in this league, but that wouldn't be the end of the world. It will be interesting to see how he develops.
While generally the MGP chart is correct these guys are some of the best athletes on the planet. Some peoples bodies react very differently. I am one of them. I have to really watch because I can increase my muscle mass much faster than most. It's not always a good thing. I'm talking double digits a month with proper diet. Granted I'm waaaaaay bigger than Mingo but still. Some of these guys are like that.
My guess though, given Mingos stature, is he's going to naturally fill in around 250 as he ages. Even though he's lanky he's long. He's got a lot of surface area to add bulk. I just hope they don't push it too much. He needs controlled flexibility and explosion. Too much weight too quick will make him tight and injury prone.
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LMAO, are you serious bro? Now we all know the answer to that
I was just using Lemmy's statement of himself adding 30lbs of lean mass in a year 'without' anabolics and the natural way. Which if he wasn't a beginner, had few years of working out under his belt - and still managed to add that type of mass then that would be something to go into a Science magazine...
It's really not as unheard of as you're trying to make it out to be...
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They're also not working out around a 40 hour work week like most people. They have more time to train than the average human, so that will help a lot. The person in charge of what they're doing is also an ex-Olympic coach unlike the average person. I don't know why we're comparing them to the average person when they're not in any sense of the world.
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I am really puzzled by the idea that these guys can easily stack on 10-20 pounds of muscle. It goes against what I've read from guys like Lyle McDonald and Alan Aragon who actually train these guys muscular growth potential
But it is such a common recommendation that I can't help but think these guys are either genetic freaks who can gain muscle very easily, they come into the league dramatically undertrained, or it is a wink wink situation that everyone is on steroids.
I thought that Mingo's struggles last year were more between his ears in keeping contain etc. I'm not that optimistic for Mingo to be a top pass rusher in this league, but that wouldn't be the end of the world. It will be interesting to see how he develops.
adding 10 lbs isnt crazy at all. if hes 240 lbs on a "thin" frame, be is probably around 8% bodyfat. which is 19.2 lbs of body fat.
adding 5 lbs fat, 5 lbs muscle would put him up to 250 lbs at 9.7% body fat.
that would be a really crappy bulk, but he'd still be at a very lean sub 10% bodyfat, and be throwing around 10 extra lbs which makes a heck of a difference.
and like i said, that would be on a lazy bulk. at a flat 9% bodyfat, he would have to add 2.5 lbs fat and 7.5 lbs muscle.
i dont think this would hurt his game. if anything mingo's body right now is faster than his brain, meaning he has the ability to get to a spot on the field before his brain has the ability to decipher what the offense is doing, and where he in fact needs to be. often taking himself out of plays. adding weight to him would give him extra strength at the point of attack, he would still be quick and lean, and he would have his body moving in tandem with the speed he possesses.
this will make him rely less on simply outrunning his opposition, and instead allow him to add more weapons to his repertoire, and take advantage of his long arms/frame.
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It's really not as unheard of as you're trying to make it out to be...
Well I'm not calling ya a liar, or battle with wording with you, but I'll say this and then drop it...
I am active in the strength training world. I am an active contributor at the forums at bodybuilding.com and I moderate some other smaller fitness and strength training forums. Those type of stories with those type of result aren't common.
I'd love to add 30lbs of lean mass, but in reality I added about 12lbs after I cut some post-bulking and I take the training serious. Sometimes too serious lol... 
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Well I'm not calling ya a liar, or battle with wording with you, but I'll say this and then drop it...
I am active in the strength training world. I am an active contributor at the forums at bodybuilding.com and I moderate some other smaller fitness and strength training forums. Those type of stories with those type of result aren't common.
I'd love to add 30lbs of lean mass, but in reality I added about 12lbs after I cut some post-bulking and I take the training serious. Sometimes too serious lol...
You can have my frame bro! I don't want it haha. My lean body mass is 246. Haven't lifted a weight since 2008.
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Phelps would be on a what? 15,000 calorie a day diet mostly cause his workout regimen was that intense.
You don't need steroids to get bigger. Sometimes its simple math...EAT Calories and not the cupcakes, and soda stuff. Volumes of the right food maybe 6 times a day with an enormous breakfast and daily workouts that would add muscle and burn off fat. Kreatine and other supplements are the worse. Yeah they get you bigger and fast but its all Water in the muscles that get them bigger and add weight. With a good strength and conditioner along with a nutritionist. You can get a program to get weight added on or turn big guys into more muscle and less fat so that don't drop too much weight but lose inches.
Jmho...hopefully he's been on a program since the season ended but then that could be another negative of NO CONTINUITY.
creatine is good for you. you have 3 energy production methods, 1 of which is your creatine phosphate system. creatine doesnt just add water weight, it replenishes your CP fuel reserves for that energy production system (which is most used for short explosive movements).
creatine exists in all meats that you eat. simply put, its naturally one of your 3 energy production systems and is essential. what gave it a bad name was supplement companies telling kids they needed to "load" high amounts, as well as kids using too much, then becoming dehydrated, and their livers/kidneys having trouble due to misuse.
one kid dies during football training, then the media goes nuts and acts like creatine is some steroid or something.
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What's stopping ya?!?!?! Lifting is my stress relief when I am unable to take my AR-15 out and pop off some rounds (which I live in Solon so not like I can shoot in my back yard or there are many ranges nearby). Get back into it is what I say bro! 
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I hope he gains 50 pounds. 290 is perfect for a linebacker. You want them as big and SLOW as possible. A lumbering behemoth that can't catch anyone is what an OLB is supposed to be. Lawrence Taylor was 240 his entire career and he obviously needed to put on a ton of weight. Harrison for the Squealers was 240. Man if he had bulked up to 280-290 he'd have been awesome. Come on Mingo, shove two big macs down your throat every meal.
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What's stopping ya?!?!?! Lifting is my stress relief when I am unable to take my AR-15 out and pop off some rounds (which I live in Solon so not like I can shoot in my back yard or there are many ranges nearby). Get back into it is what I say bro!
Knee. It's almost always that or the back. I've evolved into the dynamic fitness world instead. Really helps keep my joints active and it's my career now. It's all about ropes, tires, and bodyweight now! Plus I live in the backwoods near amish country. I can blow up anything I want.
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I hope he gains 50 pounds. 290 is perfect for a linebacker. You want them as big and SLOW as possible. A lumbering behemoth that can't catch anyone is what an OLB is supposed to be. Lawrence Taylor was 240 his entire career and he obviously needed to put on a ton of weight. Harrison for the Squealers was 240. Man if he had bulked up to 280-290 he'd have been awesome. Come on Mingo, shove two big macs down your throat every meal.
as if its not 20 times easier to name off HOF LBers who weigh 250-260?
the difference between harrison/taylor and mingo is production. mingo didnt produce at a harrison/taylor level, he was held back, at times, because of a lack of strength. for some one to suggest maybe adding to that strength, at the cost of some speed, which he has a surplus of, is a logical idea.
no one is saying adding 40 lbs..................
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What's stopping ya?!?!?! Lifting is my stress relief when I am unable to take my AR-15 out and pop off some rounds (which I live in Solon so not like I can shoot in my back yard or there are many ranges nearby). Get back into it is what I say bro!
I have been lifting weights for several years (@ Fitworks/Willoughby!) and it is a nice way to relieve stress, but more importantly for me, keeps me in good shape.
The biggest thing to remember is lifting heavy weights all the time is a good way to have to end up getting shoulder surgery further down the road (in a few year's time). I bet about 60 to 70% of the big guys at the gym have all had surgery on a shoulder or two. They just overdue it.
I used to lift heavy all the time and got tendenitis so bad - I kid you not - it was hard for me to lift a freakin' TEA CUP in the mornings!!! My body type is ectomorph, so I thought to myself, "Why bother killing yourself?" The physical results I get are minimal (hard gainer), so I cut back on the heavy weights and it's a lot better on my body that way.
Okay.... back to Mingo....
If Mingo wants to get more muscular, it matters what body type he has: Ectomorph, mesomorph or endomorph. If they want him to just add more weight, then that's easy to do, just eat a lot more.
http://www.muscleandstrength.com/articles/body-types-ectomorph-mesomorph-endomorph.html
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If Mingo wants to get more muscular, it matters what body type he has: Ectomorph, mesomorph or endomorph. If they want him to just add more weight, then that's easy to do, just eat a lot more.
I'm no expert, but he seems to split the difference between ecto- and meso-. Take 3" off his height, keep the bone mass the same, and you got yourself a classic meso-. Instead, he's:
Long-ish between the joints, lean, and not particularly prone to 'thickness' of any sort when you look at him.
I think he'll be able to put on some size, but I also think there's a ceiling to what the trainers can do for him.
Just another uninformed opinion... which is my right- as a 'citizen of the internet.'
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You are exactly right, Clem. I saw him up close last year, and he has a long, lean bone structure. You can't build bone mass.
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If Mingo wants to get more muscular, it matters what body type he has: Ectomorph, mesomorph or endomorph. If they want him to just add more weight, then that's easy to do, just eat a lot more.
I'm no expert, but he seems to split the difference between ecto- and meso-. Take 3" off his height, keep the bone mass the same, and you got yourself a classic meso-. Instead, he's:
Long-ish between the joints, lean, and not particularly prone to 'thickness' of any sort when you look at him.
I think he'll be able to put on some size, but I also think there's a ceiling to what the trainers can do for him.
Just another uninformed opinion... which is my right- as a 'citizen of the internet.'
Hey, 3&O- you seem to be much more up on this than most of us Dawgs... What do you think?
I'm gonna agree with what you said, unless he starts using steroids. Usually you can tell when someone is on them, they look a bit too big not to be on them.
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I really hope he doesn't start 'juicing.'
Kid's got an upside that's just starting... and I think he has a place in this league without "help."
Call me old-fashioned... but I still hold out hope that players can get to Canton "on the clean" tip-
"too many notes, not enough music-"
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Getting back to Mingo.......
I agree w/Memphis in that I am not sure it's such a great idea to have Mingo bulk up. I don't think his issues were from a lack of strength. He displayed plenty of strength during the season. I saw him fling a RB to the ground. Long, rangy muscles can usually produce more power than those bulky ones.
I am not saying he should not work on getting stronger, because that will help him at the point of attack. I am saying putting a significant amount of weight on him might not be such a good idea.
I think Mingo's issues were between his ears. He would sometimes forget to maintain outside containment. He took some poor angles. Playing a new position w/many new responsibilities was part of it. Discipline was another.
His strength is the fact that he really quick off the ball. He runs extremely well. He has decent instincts and he plays w/a good motor. I think you try to get him stronger--as you do w/any player---but you don't bulk him up which in turn might hurt his positives.
I don't think Mingo even needs to be a 3-down players. Man, Atlanta used Abraham perfectly several years ago. He didn't play on first down, but he came in and wreaked havoc on passing downs. We have Sheard,Kruger, and Groves. There is no reason not to use all four of these guys. It's not about the number of snaps they play, it's about how effective they are when they are on the field.
Mingo can be one of those guys that changes games around and teams have to plan for. I wouldn't change too much about him and I certainly would not bulk him up.
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