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If it was scheme, then Weeden definitely ignored it..
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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It's all opinion.
I say Couch sucked as a talent. He put up big numbers in college in an offense that really didn't have a playbook.
He came into the NFL and was incredibly deficient in understanding how to read defenses pre-snap and coverages post snap.
He held the ball way too long and his OL got blamed for all the sacks. Eventually, he learned to check down almost immediately. Unfortunately, that meant 3 and out, 3 and out, 3 and out. He was a puss.
I used to go to TC and he was an air head. He would disrespect Davis by talking when he was talking. Other players didn't care for it. He would goof off during practice. I knew two players and one assistant coach at the time and they told me that almost every guy on the team couldn't stand Timid.
The team was ready to mutiny if Butch did not name KH as the starter. It was not a "gut decision." It was because the players demanded it. Some of you will say I am lying again...........but for those of you who know me.................trust me....that is the way it went down.
Then, let's take it a step further. All the blowhards on here were telling me how wrong I was about Couch for years. They said he would be gobbled up as a FA. They said he would prosper in a good environment. The funny thing is that no one wanted him. Finally, GB grabbed him. He sucked there.
Later it was reported that his shoulder was injured. However, no one knew about that before he became available. The guy sucked.
He was a wussy. He would check down and fall down early. He didn't have the guts to stand in the pocket. The older and younger Carr brothers are the same way.
Tired of hearing how the OL was to blame for all his freaking problems. I am telling you........if we draft Carr, the nigthmare will occur all over again.
Draft Carr..................and I will quit on this team. No kidding.
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The OL was a patchwork quilt at best. It wasn't till 2007 we finally patched together a decent line. Timmay had many deficiencies. They were exacerbated with no talent that surrounded him. Quote:
Draft Carr..................and I will quit on this team. No kidding.
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Timid played behind both good and bad OLs. The results were the same. He was timid.
Look at Luck. His line sucks. He is still a man.
You really want Carr here?
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Tim had no offensive talent surrounding him with a patchwork quilt oline all the time. I do not remember a single probowl offensive lineman before Thomas arrived.
I don't really care who they draft. Everyone is wrong 99.9% of the time about the team anyways.
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we didn't even need probwolers we just needed an average player on that line. We started to get some decent linemen at the end of Couch's career with Jeff Faine and Ross Tucker 
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That's not true. They had a very good OL when they went to the playoffs.
It was evident when Smelly replaced Timid, much as it was this year when Hoyer replaced Weeden.
One guy holds the ball too long because he is football stupid, and the other guy delivers it on time because he can read coverages.
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...when i think of all our QB's, it seems like they wait to throw the ball when the WR is open, instead of timing and anticipation. so...is that something can be taught or is that talent?
This is why Hoyer was impressive and moved the ball well under Norvs offense. There was anticipation, mainly because he was able to make the reads before the ball was snapped. Knew where he was going cause he had a good idea of the coverage that was being presented.
Weeden was clueless out there. He snapped the ball, stared down one person and then either a, threw an accurate ball or b, took a sack. Jason wasn't that much better at getting the ball out quick or getting into a timing/rhythm. Mainly because he threw inaccurate passes. Good reads, good route ran by the WR/TE - bad throw and that is why I hope Jason is nothing more than a mentor and a 3rd string QB.
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i guess my question is....when i think of all our QB's, it seems like they wait to throw the ball when the WR is open, instead of timing and anticipation. so...is that something can be taught or is that talent?
I would assume it is base on the level of talent the QB faces. For Weeden, most of his college career he faced Big 12 DB's.
I wonder if there is a study or stat indicating how quickly a rookie QB becomes productive facing Big 10, Big 12, PAC 10, and SEC talent. RGiii and Weeden faced plenty of Big 12 DB's and both struggle transitioning to the NFL.
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RGiii and Weeden faced plenty of Big 12 DB's and both struggle transitioning to the NFL.
RGIII won Offensive Rookie of the Year, he had 20 TDs, 5 INTs, threw for 3,200 yards, and rushed for 815. He did not struggle.
He struggled in 2013 because he was not fully recovered from his injury and shouldn't have been on the field.
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The transition is great for any college conference. It really is up to the individuals. The game is just that much different that you can't tell who is going to struggle or flourish with the small windows in the NFL...cause in college they were taught not to hit those windows but go for the 3-5 yard separation guys.
Once in a while you get a can't miss guy like Payton or Luck (damn Colts get both?? That ain't right) but it all depends how the team builds around them and protects them. I would have had Bradford right there with those two but his team went D - also Colts have had Luck get killed his first two seasons. If they don't due anything about that he might become damaged.
around Payton's 2nd season to the 10th??? While Tarik Glen was there. He had all day and was hardly touched. After Glen left and they didn't rebuild the OL he rarely had 3 seconds and got hit a lot. Oh and broken Neck/back thingy.
There is just so much for them to learn to become great in the NFL. That is why an avg talent guy like Hoyer can shoot up the ranks of NFL QB only after hard work and studying the position. Some can - Most don't.
You can have all the talent in the world but if it don't click for you - you will be done.
Draft and draft slot is just for potential talent. What happens after you are drafted will determine if that turns out to be a good investment or not. But I think its a dumb debate by some experts who claim throw them in the fire and learn that way. I just don't get that logic. I do understand until you are under fire you cannot judge how much of what is learned is retained as a 2nd nature type of thing or who has to think about it. I think that is the real evaluation gift - who can learn and retain!
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RGiii and Weeden faced plenty of Big 12 DB's and both struggle transitioning to the NFL.
RGIII won Offensive Rookie of the Year, he had 20 TDs, 5 INTs, threw for 3,200 yards, and rushed for 815. He did not struggle.
He struggled in 2013 because he was not fully recovered from his injury and shouldn't have been on the field.
RGiii was able to make things work his first year because he was mobile. Second year when he needed to be more a pocket passer, he struggled.
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You guys are all wrong. RGIII had Kyle Shannahan, Weeden had Pat Shurmur. / end of discussion    Just kidding, Weeden stinks and can't run, can't throw anything remotely accurate and can't read defenses. In this business, that puts you below "water boy" status lol! RGIII at least had ability to run and extend plays, Weeden had abilities to gobble up hits/sacks while holding onto the ball for eternity. Take away RGIII's running game, and you see what you got outta him last year. Not much better than Weeden in terms of throwing the ball to move the ball! Me personally, I don't and wouldn't want either of them QBs.
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Second year when [RGIII] needed to be more a pocket passer, he struggled.
So if you take away a player's biggest strength, they will struggle? Interesting.
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So if you take away a player's biggest strength, they will struggle? Interesting.
yes, I read that in purple font, but the amazing thing to me was the depths of his struggles. He struggled so much that it paralyzed him in all aspects. There was a play just before halftime where he saw Helu streaking down the sidelines uncovered but looked him off and ran for a meaningless 7yds instead. It was like he lost all confidence in himself because he wasn't 100% and untouchable anymore.
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Russell Wilson doesn't get nearly enough credit. He is a stud. 100+ QB rating both years and it's not like there is tons of talent on the offense. Teams have to respect the threat to run, both on scrambles and as part of the read option. The O-line was ravaged with injuries early in the year. Okung was on temporary IR, Harvin only played part of one regular season game, and yet footballoutsiders still had the Seahawks as the 7th most efficient offense in the league.
I know it helps to have a great RB and helps a ton to have a great D, but consider that it's a lot easier to find a franchise QB than it is to build Seattle's defense. Still, the Seahawks might not have even made the playoffs this year if they were still starting Tavaris Jackson or had went with Flynn. Cardinals missed this year at 10-6. (edit: and I believe would have missed at 11-5 as well.)
Flacco isn't great but he did play great during the post-season last year. And let's not forget that Brady, Manning, and Roeth have won AFC like 10 out of the last 11 times. That is pretty amazing actually.
Totally agree.
Russell Wilson didn't have eye-popping stats because the game dictated that he didn't really need to. Denver was imploding on their own. An unforced error to start the game, a pick six, a special teams gaffe to start the 2nd half... Why would he need to throw for 350 and 4 TD's when his team was comfortably ahead?
Some stuff that doesn't tell the story in stats was him killing Denver on 3rd down.
The other thing is, what about all that Wilson did getting his team to the super bowl? Anyone wanna bet on this team making it to New York with Charlie Whitehurst at QB?
I said it weeks ago. QB isn't everything, but it's the most important position, and it buys everybody time, coaches, players, GM's, presidents, owners, etc... There is less pressure on everybody when you have a good young QB. There is excitement going into the following year when you have a stud QB... Fans and media turn the heat down... Look at the situation in Cleveland and Indy... The Browns may actually be more talented top to bottom, but Indy is in the playoffs, and the Browns have pressure on them. Why?
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Look at the situation in Cleveland and Indy... The Browns may actually be more talented top to bottom, but Indy is in the playoffs, and the Browns have pressure on them. Why?
Long-snapper. We never properly replaced Pontbriand and it's still killing us. Right?
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Second year when [RGIII] needed to be more a pocket passer, he struggled.
So if you take away a player's biggest strength, they will struggle? Interesting.
I think bugs is right. When RGIII was asked to read coverages, he really struggled. I don't think there is much doubt about it.
Playing in Spread offenses can mask a lot of weaknesses that will show themselves in the pros. RGIII is going to have really improve in that particular area. And so is Kapernick.
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I agree that if you ask RGIII (and Kaepernick) to be pocket passers then they will struggle. But if you are asking them to do that then you should be fired. They were drafted to be spread/pistol QBs, not pocket passers.
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Who said anything about them being pocket passers? I sure as heck didn't.
I said they both struggle reading coverages. Not sure how you get them having to be pocket passers out of that one.
The fact is that both of these guys need to improve in that area, as do many QBs. Some never can improve and that is their downfall.
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Second year when [RGIII] needed to be more a pocket passer, he struggled.
So if you take away a player's biggest strength, they will struggle? Interesting.
Hold on there! He was injured, so he had to quicken his time frame playing more a pocket passer.
I would hope RGiii is intelligent enough to progress toward more a pocket passer. Otherwise, RGiii will continue listed on the IR list each year.
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This topic may have been beaten to death, but I'm curious are we starting to see a change in trend?
Are you referring to the fact that the two states that have legalized recreational marijuana were both in the Superbowl? Coincidence?
As fans and voters, we now know what we need to do to see an all Ohio AFC Championship game. We need to get our politicians to legalize it. There, I said it. Im now finally out of the closet on my marijuana views like Sam I am.
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j/c Interesting read from Pluto.... Picking a quarterback in the top 10 of the draft is a risky business: Terry Pluto
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Consider this list of names:
*Andrew Luck (#1, 2012, Indianapolis)
*Robert Griffin III (# 2, 2012, Washington).
*Ryan Tannehill (# 8, 2012, Miami).
*Cam Newton (#1, 2011, Carolina).
*Jake Locker (#8, 2011, Tennessee).
*Blaine Gabbert (#10, 2011, Jacksonville).
*Sam Bradford (#1, 2010, St. Louis).
*Matt Stafford (#1, 2009, Detroit).
*Mark Sanchez (#5, 2009, Jets).
*Matt Ryan (#3, 2008, Atlanta).
This is a list of the the quarterbacks among the top 10 picks in the last six drafts.
I made the list covering six years, because no quarterback was in the top 10 in 2013.
What's the point?
OK, answer this question: How many of those quarterback have played in a Super Bowl?
That's right -- None.
Here are 10 quarterbacks -- all top 10 draft picks since 2008 -- and not one has reached a Super Bowl.
But three quarterbacks from those drafts have made it to the Super Bowl.
Their names?
*Joe Flacco, No. 18 in 2008.
*Colin Kapernick, No. 36 pick in 2011.
*Russell Wilson, No. 75 pick in 2012.
In the last six years, there have been 11 different quarterbacks to play in the Super Bowl -- so it's not just the same few guys each year. The only repeat is Peyton Manning, having made it with the Colts and Denver.
Let's dig a bit deeper.
In the last six years, there have been 16 quarterbacks picked in the first round.
Guess how many have played in the Super Bowl?
One…Flacco.
I began making lists after reading Ray Farmer's interview with the PD' s Mary Kay Cabot.
This comment caught my attention: "People seem to think you can't win unless you have a superstar quarterback. In the NFL, the vast majority of quarterbacks are guys that have to be managed. You have to put them in situations where they can be successful, and when you get them out of their comfort zone, or you put them in situations where they fail, it's not going to be positive for your club. The position isn't as complicated as people think it is."
It's amazing that 11 different quarterbacks have played in the last six Super Bowls, only one (Flacco) has been a first round draft pick in the last six years.
And Flacco went No. 18 to Baltimore.
What Farmer may be saying is that all the hype over all the quarterbacks in the top of the draft may just be that -- hype. Why the struggles for some of these quarterbacks?
It could be that high picks tend to go to lousy teams -- and that leads to trouble for young quarterbacks.
The Browns still need a quarterback, even if Brian Hoyer comes back strong from his ACL injury.
Depth at the position is crucial.
But picking in the top 10 when it comes to quarterbacks remains a danger zone, one the Browns appear ready to enter. And they desperately need to get it right.
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But picking in the top 10 when it comes to quarterbacks remains a danger zone, one the Browns appear ready to enter. And they desperately need to get it right.
I don't think that the Browns are ready to enter the realm of selecting a Top 10 QB. I'm not sure that they're ready to draft a first round QB at all. Whether it's this year or even next year.
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It amazes me how freaking stupid some people are. Not you, bugs. LOL.......I meant Pluto. How do they make these arguments? Do they not realize that if you are drafted in the top 10, then you are probably going to a crappy teams? Why not look at how those teams improved w/the new QB? Why not factor in how good the rest of the team was when talking about Wilson, Flacco, and Kapernick? Oh, I know.............it doesn't fit the stupid agenda they are pushing. This is soooooooooooo reminding me of the year when we took Leon and passed on Rodgers or even the year we passed on Big Ben for K2. I thought the arguments for taking those guys were stupid then, but they kept gaining steam. And we took them. The arguments are stupid again and if we take another freaking receiver [and it will be a number 2 receiver] I'll...................... No, we can't be that dumb again. Can we? 
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I don't think that the Browns are ready to enter the realm of selecting a Top 10 QB. I'm not sure that they're ready to draft a first round QB at all. Whether it's this year or even next year.
First, this is Pluto's point. Second, I agree with you. I don't think they'll take a QB at #4.
I'm not sure what they'll take at #4, but my gut says Farmer is happy with Hoyer. I also think they trade down. Farmer is going to let everyone believe he is drafting a QB. If they do draft at #4, I would not be shocked they draft Mathews or Robinson. Looking at the personalities of Farmer and Pettine you have to think they favor solid play in the trenches.
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If you are right, this is exactly why I am so upset we fired Banner and promoted Farmer.
To not draft a qb at four or higher would be horrific for the Brown's future. Horrific!!!!
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You can often use stats to make any point. Pluto made his. Someone else could say that the last 10 Super Bowls have all had at least 1 starting QB drafted in the first round, and most of those Super Bowls had a starting QB drafted in the top 2 picks overall.
Another approach would be to look at the Non-QBs drafted in the top 10 picks of those 5 drafts. People make it out to be like you're taking a 50/50 at best shot on a franchise QB or a guaranteed all-pro/HOF type player at another position which just simply isn't the case. Darren McFadden, Glenn Dorsey, Vernon Gholston, Sedrick Ellis, Derrick Harvey, Keith Rivers, Jason Smith, Tyson Jackson, Aaron Curry, Andre Smith, Darrius Heyward-Bey, Eugene Monroe Should I go on? All were picked in the top 10 of the 2008 and 2009 drafts alone.
I'm glad he pointed out that the earliest picks often go to the worst teams/worst franchises because of the draft order.
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It amazes me how freaking stupid some people are. Not you, bugs. LOL.......I meant Pluto.
How do they make these arguments? Do they not realize that if you are drafted in the top 10, then you are probably going to a crappy teams?
Why not look at how those teams improved w/the new QB?
Why not factor in how good the rest of the team was when talking about Wilson, Flacco, and Kapernick?
Oh, I know.............it doesn't fit the stupid agenda they are pushing.
This is soooooooooooo reminding me of the year when we took Leon and passed on Rodgers or even the year we passed on Big Ben for K2. I thought the arguments for taking those guys were stupid then, but they kept gaining steam. And we took them. The arguments are stupid again and if we take another freaking receiver [and it will be a number 2 receiver] I'll...................... No, we can't be that dumb again. Can we?
Vers, good point!
I'm totally clueless what Farmer is going to do. As I stated above, I don't think he takes a QB at #4. To me, looking at the top 5 spots, other than Clowney, I have no good vibes. I feel, as a Browns fan, we are so desperate for a QB we seek any positives on Manziel and Bridgewater. Many are saying they both need to sit a year. Right there alone means these guys are a maybe. Why not look at value later if the plan is sitting?
I started this post to build a discussion bringing the thought we, fans, are simply desperate and want the TOP QB in the draft. True, this said QB is best in this draft, but is he best long haul?
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Yeah, I thought Pluto was trying to pigeonhole that one a bit too much.
I have no problem taking a QB in the top ten if it's the right guy.
I'm not fond of taking a QB just because you need one. You usually end up reaching doing that.
I'm all for Bridgewater at #4. I'd even trade up for him. I think we're close enough to roll the dice.
But if you're talking about Manziel and Bortles at #4, I'd rather not. Huge investments on low-odds gambles aren't a recipe for success.
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I think Teddy is one of the best qbs to come out in years.
I think Manziel has the potential to turn around an entire franchise.
I think Clowney [and I live in Columbia, SC] is lazy, undisciplined, and possesses a huge bust rate.
I think drafting any WR at number 4 is idiotic. The guy will be our NUMBER 2 WR, not our number one.
I think that we have 6 Pro Bowlers and that we are lacking a QB.
I think that we are in a great position [having the 4th overall pick, two first rounders, extra picks in rounds 3 and 4] to do what we have to do in order to secure the most important part of a football team.
I think we would be idiotic to not draft Teddy or Manziel.
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If you are right, this is exactly why I am so upset we fired Banner and promoted Farmer.
To not draft a qb at four or higher would be horrific for the Brown's future. Horrific!!!!
Vers, a bigger horrific is drafting a Sanchez type watching someone like Belichick draft a starter, Hoyer(?), in later rounds. Look what happen to the Jets these last few years having all the pieces stuck in the mud because of a desperate attempt seeking the holy grail.
I agree Banner put us in position to get the right choices. We may hurt Haslam sacked him. Don't forget Browns had THE QB guru, Holmgren ,Laughing Hysterically !!
Let's see how Farmer plays this draft. He could very well know what the heck he is doing.
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For what it's worth...............I always thought Sanchez was horrible and I loved our trade down that year.
bugs, you have known me long enough. I typically don't back guys as much as I have this year. I really backed Joe Thomas. That was the most vocal I have ever been.
I screamed long and hard that we should draft JJ Watt a few years ago. I remember tab had a thread about prospects in the Tailgate forum. He had it early in the year. I brought up Watt and most had never heard of him.
I also was a huge advocate of trading out of the 4th position two years ago. I wanted nothing to do w/TRich or Blackmen. I wanted us to trade down and take a trio of Ingram, DeCastro, and Doug Martin.
So, I haven't always been so gung ho about drafting a QB. I just think that there are two guys in this draft that can be franchise qbs, and Bortles also has a shot, even though I would not take him that high.
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bugs, you have known me long enough. I typically don't back guys as much as I have this year. I really backed Joe Thomas. That was the most vocal I have ever been.
I screamed long and hard that we should draft JJ Watt a few years ago. I remember tab had a thread about prospects in the Tailgate forum. He had it early in the year. I brought up Watt and most had never heard of him.
I also was a huge advocate of trading out of the 4th position two years ago. I wanted nothing to do w/TRich or Blackmen. I wanted us to trade down and take a trio of Ingram, DeCastro, and Doug Martin.
So, I haven't always been so gung ho about drafting a QB. I just think that there are two guys in this draft that can be franchise qbs, and Bortles also has a shot, even though I would not take him that high.
I would love to give you credit, but that mean I have to admit you were right!! LOL!
You always bring good arguments. You and I are mostly on the same page. To me, QB's are always given this "thing!" Maybe, as defensive player, I'm biased do to my hatred for QB's!
I do like watching Teddy and Johnny, so I should stick to my initial instincts. I agree I thought Sanchez was a bust too. One thing always sticks out drafting a QB and realizing it will not work simply sets the team back 10-fold.
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I would love to give you credit, but that mean I have to admit you were right!! LOL!
On the other hand...........I was pushing for us to draft Jimmy Clausen in the second round a few years ago. 
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I would love to give you credit, but that mean I have to admit you were right!! LOL!
On the other hand...........I was pushing for us to draft Jimmy Clausen in the second round a few years ago.
I now can't trust another word you say.
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If you are right, this is exactly why I am so upset we fired Banner and promoted Farmer.
To not draft a qb at four or higher would be horrific for the Brown's future. Horrific!!!!
Vers, a bigger horrific is drafting a Sanchez type watching someone like Belichick draft a starter, Hoyer(?), in later rounds. Look what happen to the Jets these last few years having all the pieces stuck in the mud because of a desperate attempt seeking the holy grail.
I agree Banner put us in position to get the right choices. We may hurt Haslam sacked him. Don't forget Browns had THE QB guru, Holmgren ,Laughing Hysterically !!
Let's see how Farmer plays this draft. He could very well know what the heck he is doing.
There is definitely something to be said for *whiffing* on a QB and then being more or less stuck with them. They didn't pay that much to move up in terms of draft picks but there was an enormous financial investment.
Another thing about Sanchez that always made me laugh. Tebow takes a completely stacked Broncos team and wins the division at 8-8 (admittedly he took over with a losing record), wins a home playoff game in Denver, and everybody says the guy just wins. Sanchez takes a great Jets team and wins 4 playoff games his first 2 years and everyone says he is garbage. It's funny how that works and if that wasn't evidence that there weren't ulterior motives at play when people said how great Tebow was and that he should have been playing as a Jet, I don't know what is.
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LOL...............I admit.........that was bad.
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I think Teddy is one of the best qbs to come out in years.
I think Manziel has the potential to turn around an entire franchise.
I think Clowney [and I live in Columbia, SC] is lazy, undisciplined, and possesses a huge bust rate.
I think drafting any WR at number 4 is idiotic. The guy will be our NUMBER 2 WR, not our number one.
I think that we have 6 Pro Bowlers and that we are lacking a QB.
I think that we are in a great position [having the 4th overall pick, two first rounders, extra picks in rounds 3 and 4] to do what we have to do in order to secure the most important part of a football team.
I think we would be idiotic to not draft Teddy or Manziel.
A great point (IMO) buried among valid statements. I hear/read a lot of people wanting Watkins at #4. He would be WR2 on our team and you just don't draft a WR2 with the #4 pick in the draft.
On my way home from work I listen to a local sports talk show, Common Man and Company and the guy on there that replaced Torg (who was fired because he disparaged an ESPN guy, I think it was Charles Woodson) is an idiot. Every day he says Cleveland needs to take Watkins and any other pick is stupid.
Upgrading our #2 WR is not worthy of a 1st round pick.
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But picking in the top 10 when it comes to quarterbacks remains a danger zone, one the Browns appear ready to enter. And they desperately need to get it right.
I don't think that the Browns are ready to enter the realm of selecting a Top 10 QB. I'm not sure that they're ready to draft a first round QB at all. Whether it's this year or even next year.
First, this is Pluto's point. Second, I agree with you. I don't think they'll take a QB at #4.
I'm not sure what they'll take at #4, but my gut says Farmer is happy with Hoyer. I also think they trade down. Farmer is going to let everyone believe he is drafting a QB. If they do draft at #4, I would not be shocked they draft Mathews or Robinson. Looking at the personalities of Farmer and Pettine you have to think they favor solid play in the trenches.
I agree with what you say about who they would probably draft at #4. If they can't move out of the spot, they'll take one of the tackles if they're available. They may even take the DE if he's there and the tackles are gone.
Of course, the option to trade out always exists.
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