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Guys like him are all sorts of fun to be around when they're that way. Unless you have to work for them. Then you go out of your way to never, ever, under any circumstance PO the boss. They get mad, and then they get even.
To be fair to Haslam, it's his money after all. He's got a bundle wrapped up in this team and it never looked to me like Banner and Lombardi had that sense of urgency to them. Sure they wanted a winner so they could look smart. But they didn't want a winner because they were afraid Jimmy would have their heads on a silver platter if they didn't produce. Guys like Haslam can't work with people like that.
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If I remember correctly, an overwhelming majority of people on this board were unhappy that Lombardi and Banner were brought on board to begin with. I was not in favor of that move, either. As for consistency...yeah...looks mighty bad. But in reality, it's cleaning up a big mistake that was made to begin with. imho
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It is obvious now that Haslam fired Chud.
Farmer and Scheiner are highly regarded young minds around the league. I feel more comfortable with them in charge then the previous people.
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Listening to Farmer, damn, he's NO NONSENSE..
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Owner Jimmy Haslam decided that Lombardi had to go. Haslam also decided that assistant G.M. Ray Farmer deserved to have full control over the football operation, unfettered by Banner’s authority over the football side of the organization.
Game, set, match. 
Lombardi should have never been hired in the first place. Hopefully he will now add this failure to his resume and disappear from football permanently. 
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Owner Jimmy Haslam decided that Lombardi had to go. Haslam also decided that assistant G.M. Ray Farmer deserved to have full control over the football operation, unfettered by Banner’s authority over the football side of the organization.
Lombardi should have never been hired in the first place. Hopefully he will now add this failure to his resume and disappear from football permanently.
And Banner should have never had control over the roster.
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If I remember correctly, an overwhelming majority of people on this board were unhappy that Lombardi and Banner were brought on board to begin with. I was not in favor of that move, either. As for consistency...yeah...looks mighty bad. But in reality, it's cleaning up a big mistake that was made to begin with. imho
This is true. I personally didn't know A LOT about Banner, but I was disgusted with the Lombardi hire. That was doomsday in the making.
This really reflects on how Haslam runs a business and his decision making abilities. To me, it seems hard to get any type of "chemistry" in a Cleveland Browns building. Seems like he got on board and was nervous and didn't bother to expend the needed energy to fulfill the positions with the right people? I don't know, but wow these firings are huge. We really are one fubar'ed organization. Mike Pettine has GOT to be sweating balls right now wondering what he got himself into...
Don't worry Mike, you'll still get PAID even after you're fired. You'll be like, the seventh coach getting paid to not do anything for/to/about this organization. Dead Space in terms of money.
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Owner Jimmy Haslam decided that Lombardi had to go. Haslam also decided that assistant G.M. Ray Farmer deserved to have full control over the football operation, unfettered by Banner’s authority over the football side of the organization.
Lombardi should have never been hired in the first place. Hopefully he will now add this failure to his resume and disappear from football permanently.
And Banner should have never had control over the roster.
Yes and yes!
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Farmer majorly sidestepped a question asking if Banner was a football guy.
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Owner Jimmy Haslam decided that Lombardi had to go. Haslam also decided that assistant G.M. Ray Farmer deserved to have full control over the football operation, unfettered by Banner’s authority over the football side of the organization.
Lombardi should have never been hired in the first place. Hopefully he will now add this failure to his resume and disappear from football permanently.
And Banner should have never had control over the roster.
And now we may actually have the pieces in place to get it right. I'm high on Farmer and Pettine and look forward to a unified organization that is dedicated to the success of the Cleveland Browns instead of the power mongering of the Banner-Lombardi show.
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It is obvious now that Haslam fired Chud.
Farmer and Scheiner are highly regarded young minds around the league. I feel more comfortable with them in charge then the previous people.
I agree with this as well.
I think Jimmy wanted to promote Farmer next year and when he found out he was leaving... he convinced Farmer to say and whacked two moles out of this organization.
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jc No listening to presser, but PFT highlighted certain points. Haslam said Banner won't be replaced by another CEO. He also said the notion that the Browns are dysfunctional was concocted by the local media.  PFT
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Interesting, my first thought was the opposite, that maybe he wasn't 100% happy about the firing and the fall-out perception it brought. Then, Banner and Lombardi presumably not getting their 1st choice (or possibly 2nd, 3rd...) was the final straw.
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Owner Jimmy Haslam decided that Lombardi had to go. Haslam also decided that assistant G.M. Ray Farmer deserved to have full control over the football operation, unfettered by Banner’s authority over the football side of the organization.
Game, set, match.
Lombardi should have never been hired in the first place. Hopefully he will now add this failure to his resume and disappear from football permanently.
No he willbe back on NFL network, telling anyine that will listen how every decision made by the browns is wrong... just like he did last time he left this organization.
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Listening to Farmer, damn, he's NO NONSENSE..
I love that this guy worked in KC with the rebuild project they did... '06'-'12 they really did a good job loading up on good young players. KC is going to be competitive for years...
I think if you polled people who know who Ray Farmer is and asked them Farmer or Lombardi, at least 90% would favor Farmer.
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I know you guys will correct me when I'm wrong on this.
It would appear to me that Mike Pettine just got handed a gigantic bucket of control over his roster. And it would appear that Farmer is OK with that. It would look like the days of a coach being handed a roster of players and told to make it fit his scheme are drawing to a close. What could possibly go wrong that hasn't already?
Haslam stated that Pettine was "his" choice. And shortly after Pettine is hired all of a sudden Farmer quits listening to job offers from outside. My best bet is Lombardi knew he was gone as soon as Pettine was hired. You know at some point s!meone had to ask Pettine "What's it going to take to get you to come to Cleveland?" And Banner had to know what was coming. I'm going to have to go back and look at the news accounts of the Pettine hire and lay it's chronology over some other stuff.
Now I want to see how they handle Mack. That'll tell the tale. I'd also be interested to hear what Joe Thomas has to say.
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What the heck is going on over there? Just when you thought things can't get more whacked? So did Banner or Lambardi fire Chud? If so, I am irate! Is Pettine a Farmer guy? Holy Moly!!
Wow! I'm shocked by this, but I think it really does mean that Haslam is taking control of the situation there. I don't know what went on, but Chudzinski's firing was certainly Haslam's doing.
Many called for the front office to go and said that if they didn't get it right this year there would be no doubt about it. Well, it didn't take that long!
This is stunning! Just wow!
I'm not sure what prompted it but this couldn't have been something football related. This must have been something that was structural, such as insubordination.
I didn't see this coming. Not in the least. I hope this isn't Haslam becoming a Jerry Jones or Al Davis type of situation in Berea.
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Now I want to see how they handle Mack. That'll tell the tale. I'd also be interested to hear what Joe Thomas has to say.
Don't think it matters how they handle Mack, cause I think Mack has zero intentions of continuing his NFL career as a Brown. I bet a lot of players who are here, just don't want to be here. Feel bad for them. If Josh Gordon or one young talent goes to the media and says he'll request a trade, wow. Yet another steep pitch for the Browns to endure.
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Nice to see reports of Banner "stepping down" and also "blindsided" and "devestated."
I can't tell if this is a stable enough situation going into the draft or just more crappy inconsistency. It kind of feels good. But that's just my "gut" talking.
Are other teams just an owner, GM, & scouts? 
That's a good question. These are the guys that brought in the current crop of scouts. If there is anything to be good about that is that Farmer has been involved with them from the start. They've been reporting to him anyway.
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wow....I mean WOW....Didn't see this coming...course I really wasn't looking that hard either.....LOL
anyway....As happy as I am to see Lombardi go....I despised the fact he came here....we do have to remember that without him we would not have Hoyer...And Hoyer at least gives us a little hope.
Banner....I have no emotions in either direction. He did some good things he did some not so good things...and as a previous post with a story said...he basically became unneeded since Farmer will handle the football side and Scheiner the business side...
Well I will tell you one thing....with Haslam's quick firing finger...he sure does create a pressure cooker. but the one who handle that pressure cooker....LOOK OUT...because that will be the special person we are looking for and GREAT things will be ahead of us. I can only hope Pettine is that guy...
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Don't think it matters how they handle Mack, cause I think Mack has zero intentions of continuing his NFL career as a Brown. I bet a lot of players who are here, just don't want to be here. Feel bad for them. If Josh Gordon or one young talent goes to the media and says he'll request a trade, wow. Yet another steep pitch for the Browns to endure.
I'd assume the coaching change might affect some players - but I doubt most players give a damn who their GM is (unless they think they were recently screwed over on a contract) - they probably just don't interact with them that much.
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I am just trying to put this all together in my head.
Haslam and Banner were a package deal for some reason. Most say the league suggested Haslam hire Banner (or something along those lines).
Once Banner was on board we knew that Holmgren, Heckert, and Shurmur were on their way out.
Banner, a lot like Holmgren's Shurmur hire, had a farcical GM search that ended with him hiring Lombardi. Banner had control over the roster but insisted it was a consensus.
After a disappointing season of regression Haslam was dissatisfied with the way things were playing out. Chud was fired by Haslam.
Haslam was the main man in the head coaching search. He eventually hired Pettine. Banner and Lombardi were in on the interviews but not the driving force. Per reports, Lombardi wanting McDaniels caused a "rift" between him and Banner.
Haslam, tired of "rifts," wanted Lombardi gone and wanted to promote Farmer to GM giving him control of the roster. (This is the only rift we know of, I am guessing the other rift was between Chud and someone in the front office). Because Banner had control of the roster he no longer had the power in wanted in the organization and he was asked to step down.
The current power structure goes like this; Haslam > Farmer/Scheiner > Pettine. From everything that has been said we have a pretty good group of people now in charge of the organization. Farmer, Scheiner, and Pettine are all highly regarded people. The only wildcard is Haslam who could have a quick trigger or could know when things aren't headed the right way or both.
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Probably more than any other move - Mack resigning depends on how he feels about the ZBS - given that Shanahan is the new OC.
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Now I want to see how they handle Mack. That'll tell the tale. I'd also be interested to hear what Joe Thomas has to say.
Don't think it matters how they handle Mack, cause I think Mack has zero intentions of continuing his NFL career as a Brown. I bet a lot of players who are here, just don't want to be here. Feel bad for them. If Josh Gordon or one young talent goes to the media and says he'll request a trade, wow. Yet another steep pitch for the Browns to endure.
Or they could say... alright... Haslam is getting this thing under control and we have people in charge we can trust... maybe just maybe, they will view it as a good thing, just like a lot of us already do.
I just dont see someone asking for a trade because of Banner and Lombardi leaving
Course that goes against the woe is me syndrome.... that some have on here.
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I am just trying to put this all together in my head.
Haslam and Banner were a package deal for some reason. Most say the league suggested Haslam hire Banner (or something along those lines).
Once Banner was on board we knew that Holmgren, Heckert, and Shurmur were on their way out.
Banner, a lot like Holmgren's Shurmur hire, had a farcical GM search that ended with him hiring Lombardi. Banner had control over the roster but insisted it was a consensus.
After a disappointing season of regression Haslam was dissatisfied with the way things were playing out. Chud was fired by Haslam.
Haslam was the main man in the head coaching search. He eventually hired Pettine. Banner and Lombardi were in on the interviews but not the driving force. Per reports, Lombardi wanting McDaniels caused a "rift" between him and Banner.
Haslam, tired of "rifts," wanted Lombardi gone and wanted to promote Farmer to GM giving him control of the roster. (This is the only rift we know of, I am guessing the other rift was between Chud and someone in the front office). Because Banner had control of the roster he no longer had the power in wanted in the organization and he was asked to step down.
The current power structure goes like this; Haslam > Farmer/Scheiner > Pettine. From everything that has been said we have a pretty good group of people now in charge of the organization. Farmer, Scheiner, and Pettine are all highly regarded people. The only wildcard is Haslam who could have a quick trigger or could know when things aren't headed the right way or both.
What does it mean for the current staff that was brought in? What's it mean for Brian Hoyer, that was liked by Lombardi? Does Farmer also like Hoyer?
Maybe Haslam learned that they were trying to make a trade to New England for Ryan Mallett and he didn't like the idea.
Let's face it, it's his money that pays the bills.
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What does it mean for the current staff that was brought in? What's it mean for Brian Hoyer, that was liked by Lombardi? Does Farmer also like Hoyer?
It seems as though Pettine was a Haslam hire and not a Banner/Lombardi hire. Farmer had to know and accept that when he was hired as the new GM.
As for Hoyer, he will be evaluated just like the rest of the players currently. As he should be.
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Maybe Haslam learned that they were trying to make a trade to New England for Ryan Mallett and he didn't like the idea.
There is no reason to think that. It seems pretty obvious that Haslam just didn't like the direction the organization was going under the leadership of Banner and Lombardi. End of story.
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Also, if anybody still believes that Mary Kay Cabot is anything but a fluff trumpet for the organization: http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/02/ray_farmer_passed_up_the_dolph.htmlThere were twitter posters and reddit users who had already figured out the rising tension and were reporting on it, and MKC (a supposedly professional journalist) came out with this.
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I know you guys will correct me when I'm wrong on this.
It would appear to me that Mike Pettine just got handed a gigantic bucket of control over his roster. And it would appear that Farmer is OK with that. It would look like the days of a coach being handed a roster of players and told to make it fit his scheme are drawing to a close. What could possibly go wrong that hasn't already?
Haslam stated that Pettine was "his" choice. And shortly after Pettine is hired all of a sudden Farmer quits listening to job offers from outside. My best bet is Lombardi knew he was gone as soon as Pettine was hired. You know at some point someone had to ask Pettine "What's it going to take to get you to come to Cleveland?" And Banner had to know what was coming. I'm going to have to go back and look at the news accounts of the Pettine hire and lay it's chronology over some other stuff.
Now I want to see how they handle Mack. That'll tell the tale. I'd also be interested to hear what Joe Thomas has to say.
I don't know that there's much to correct here 
I would simply say that while Farmer will have control over the 53, I assume, believe and am hopeful that they (FO & coaching) will actually work together collaboratively to build a winning team instead of just playing lip service to the notion while playing a corporate version of king of the hill.
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There were twitter posters and reddit users who had already figured out the rising tension and were reporting on it, and MKC (a supposedly professional journalist) came out with this.
What the hell is she going to write about now that she no longer has Lombardi & Banner feeding her disinformation?
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I am just trying to put this all together in my head.
Haslam and Banner were a package deal for some reason. Most say the league suggested Haslam hire Banner (or something along those lines).
Once Banner was on board we knew that Holmgren, Heckert, and Shurmur were on their way out.
Banner, a lot like Holmgren's Shurmur hire, had a farcical GM search that ended with him hiring Lombardi. Banner had control over the roster but insisted it was a consensus.
After a disappointing season of regression Haslam was dissatisfied with the way things were playing out. Chud was fired by Haslam.
Haslam was the main man in the head coaching search. He eventually hired Pettine. Banner and Lombardi were in on the interviews but not the driving force. Per reports, Lombardi wanting McDaniels caused a "rift" between him and Banner.
Haslam, tired of "rifts," wanted Lombardi gone and wanted to promote Farmer to GM giving him control of the roster. (This is the only rift we know of, I am guessing the other rift was between Chud and someone in the front office). Because Banner had control of the roster he no longer had the power in wanted in the organization and he was asked to step down.
The current power structure goes like this; Haslam > Farmer/Scheiner > Pettine. From everything that has been said we have a pretty good group of people now in charge of the organization. Farmer, Scheiner, and Pettine are all highly regarded people. The only wildcard is Haslam who could have a quick trigger or could know when things aren't headed the right way or both.
Unless Haslam came out and said that the Chud firing was his doing (and by that, I mean, he came into the room, slammed his fist down on the table and said, "This dude's gotta go". Initiated and completed by Haslam), I think that the Chud firing was Banner (ie "the consensus"). Other than that, what you said above is 100% correct.
... and to add to that, I'll take a guess and say that Haslam finally saw these guys (Banner and Lombardi) for what we feared them to be. He decided both had to go, and the way to do that would be to axe Lombardi, and Banner would get the message and exit with what little grace was left.
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After watching the press conference with Farmer, I feel this was not a knee jerk reaction. I believe Haslam was tired of the negative press and the internal disagreements and secided now was the time to fix it.
The FO has changed, but key people are still in place. Farmer has been working the draft with the scouts, so no change there. Farmer also has had contact with Pettine, so no change there. Scheiner is still in his same capacity, no change there. In my eyes Haslam removed the circus acts. Let Scheiner run the PR and business side, let Farmer run the football side, and let Pettine run the team. Simpler structure with competent people in charge. No power struggles, and head man keeping a close eye on all of it.
I love it.
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Sums it up 100% for me.
People suggesting this move makes the Browns situation worse are 100% wrong in my opinion - if you think you made a mistake, own it, do something about it. Seems that's what Haslam has done.
If the new HC process was part of the process/reason - makes perfect sense. You gotta be accountable - and if Banner promised/suggested a replacement for Chud would be one of a select group of 2 or 3 desirable candidates and they all said 'thanks but no thanks' then it makes perfect sense that Banner gets canned.
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In my eyes Haslam removed the circus acts. Let Scheiner run the PR and business side, let Farmer run the football side, and let Pettine run the team. Simpler structure with competent people in charge. No power struggles, and head man keeping a close eye on all of it.
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in before somebody says this is the fans fault they got fired...
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in before somebody says this is the fans fault they got fired...
 ok I take responsibilty
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If I remember correctly, an overwhelming majority of people on this board were unhappy that Lombardi and Banner were brought on board to begin with. I was not in favor of that move, either. As for consistency...yeah...looks mighty bad. But in reality, it's cleaning up a big mistake that was made to begin with. imho
From my perspective, I didn't like either hire. Banner because he may have been a lead dog over in Philly but I couldn't find anything that said he made any player aquisition decisions. It mostly fell on Heckert and Reid from what I could tell. Yet he continued to push how much involvement he had. I thought he was blowing smoke.
Regarding Lombardi, I didn't want him based solely on his history as a GM.. Not glorious in the least. I hoped that maybe the time away may have helped him but apparently not.
Having said that, I started to warm to them as the season went on. I thought (not at first but eventually) that the TRich trade was great.
I was happy with Krueger and Bryant FA signings. I liked the coaching staff they assembled. In general, they were slowing winning me over.
Then Chud gets canned and I thought, what in the hell are these guys thinking. I was back to wanting them gone.
I got my wish I guess..
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