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And i think here is the problem. IF we can't sign our own core guys, then how are we going to attract other talent to come here.
easier to sign FAs from other teams than our own. the ones from other teams just heard how bad it is while our own lived through it.
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I would have no problem using our top two picks in order to trade up and draft Teddy. Problem #1 would be solved. Nothing else matters if we don't solve that problem.
I believe this pretty much covers my feelings on the matter.
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I would have no problem using our top two picks in order to trade up and draft Teddy. Problem #1 would be solved. Nothing else matters if we don't solve that problem.
Hopefully, Pettine can help solve problem #2.
I would use FA and the rest of the draft [we have additional picks this year in rounds 3 and 4] to solve problems 3 and 4.
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Ward and Mack must be playing hard ball here, nothing sounds close to done.
Been off the board for a few days while attending to a death in the family.. only on here and there.
Not questioning your thinking here, but was there an article I missed somewhere that helped you arrive at the conclusion they are playing hardball? Did I miss something?
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I am not so sure I agree.
We have decent talent on this team. This team needs:
1. a good qb
2. to develop mental toughness
3. depth
4. fill in a few glaring holes, such as RG and ILBer.
I would have no problem using our top two picks in order to trade up and draft Teddy. Problem #1 would be solved. Nothing else matters if we don't solve that problem.
Hopefully, Pettine can help solve problem #2.
I would use FA and the rest of the draft [we have additional picks this year in rounds 3 and 4] to solve problems 3 and 4.
LOL....I am not sure I agree with myself either. 
That is what makes this such a perplexing situation, at least for me. Most years there are fairly clear lines of demarkation.....we need this and these are the guy you take in these slots.
This year we are still wondering if we need a QB. To make it even worse is Hoyer looked pretty damn good while he was in there, and that is the problem, we didn't get to see all that much. Had Hoyer put up 12 games, or even 6-8 games like he did in 2.25 games we probably wouldn't be thinking QB. We would have won more games and would have been drafting in maybe the 12th or 14th slot....maybe better. But, he didn't, so the question becomes how much weight to you place on his body of work? That is what has me baffled....I don't know. I don't want to trade up and lose the other #1 pick if we don't need to do that, but I don't want to not trade up if we need to do so....if that makes any sense.
Hoyer and the evaluation of Hoyer by our braintrust is the key.
I agree with everything else you said. Well thought out and on point. We think alike. I agree with your 4 points. I just don't know if we have #1 or not.
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I just don't know if we have #1 or not.
but we have several ways to accomplish it.
1 - go with hoyer until he proves you wrong.
2 - draft the QB highest on your chart
3 - if you don't like any QB in FA make a trade to get one. we have picks and we have players to trade.
4 - do all three above
we can't afford to miss on QB this year. unless you have the best D on the planet, you live and die with the QB you have. and we have been dead far too long.
tradition can only carry you so far, then you have to start winning again.
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Hoyer doesn't really even factor into my thinking on the draft.
If he works out, great. But he hasn't shown enough to consideration as a factor in the draft.
I'd take Bridgewater at 4. I'd even throw in 26 and some change to get him.
Other than that, I wouldn't really touch any of the QB's at the top of this draft. I'd rather go BPA from there....Clowney or Watkins.
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Been off the board for a few days while attending to a death in the family.. only on here and there.
Holy crap! Here and there means 30+ posts? You are the mostpost champeen! 
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Holy crap! Here and there means 30+ posts? You are the mostpost champeen!
Was a strange week.. Aunt dies, wifes uncle in Hospice, friends husband dies.. a poster calls people liars and I step up only to get told to step down (not in so many words) and you want to point out that I have 30 posts 
now the question is, can you give me an opinion as to whether or not you think the Texans will let Schuab get away and draft a QB first over all? That may have a great bearing on what we can do?
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Sorry about your Aunt, Friends Husband - condolences and prayers for your wife's uncle...man I'd take being called a liar anyday over any of the other things happening.
Now you know when you need to get away from the board for a couple of days...
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Sorry to hear about your family. I'm kind of in the same boat....all of my aunts and uncles are now getting up there in years and getting sick and dying.
I think the Texans would love to part ways with Schaub. Given last season, I think they're in the same situation we're in with Weeden.....where he may get booed like crazy the first time he throws a pick. No team wants to deal with that kind of scenario. I think they're taking a qb with that first pic.
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I'm just adding two and two together- the silence has been deafening.
I think this is due to all the snakes being chased from the barn. The guys in charge are working and keeping quiet. I think that's what is supposed to be done. No more "unnamed sources" . feeding the media gossip.
Haslam cleaned house and is under scrutiny from here out, I doubt he is going to let staffers leak stuff. They need to get it right. And for some unknown reason, I feel Farmer and Pettine are a good team.
I have grown tired of the media leaks that plague this team. Hopefully those days are gone.
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for what its worth it is never good when your h/c say things like..
(Do you feel Gipson can move to strong safety if you choose to...): "We don't talk about our guys in terms of 'free' and 'strong.' Our safeties are interchangeable -- I think that's key to our success, to have guys who have the interchangeable skill set. Teams can force safeties to change jobs in any way by some of the things they can do pre-snap. We want guys who can do a little bit of both."
(Do you see Gipson being able to do a little bit of both?): "Uhh, yeah. In studying him so far in the offseason, he's a solid player."
and your GM say things in the past tense....
On the decision regarding soon-to-be free agents Alex Mack and T.J. Ward: “We went through every player on this roster and discussed every player that will help us win. That’s what it comes down to. Coach Pettine has proven that he can generate defense in a lot of different ways. Coach O’Neil is now in that role as defensive coordinator. Kyle Shanahan has done the same. We want to find the guys that can truly affect the game and build a championship roster. I can definitely say this isn’t an overnight process. A big part of building any team is chemistry. We want to identify the right guys, level the playing field and give those guys a chance to compete and demonstrate those talents.”
On whether those two players have helped the Browns win: “They have. That’s past tense.”
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I think this is due to all the snakes being chased from the barn. The guys in charge are working and keeping quiet. I think that's what is supposed to be done. No more "unnamed sources" . feeding the media gossip.
Haslam cleaned house and is under scrutiny from here out, I doubt he is going to let staffers leak stuff. They need to get it right. And for some unknown reason, I feel Farmer and Pettine are a good team.
I have grown tired of the media leaks that plague this team. Hopefully those days are gone.
Agree 100%, There is no longer (imo) a direct media contact in the FO, that and Farmer and Pettine seem like no nonsense kind of guys that wont play games with the media.
Just feels like a tighter run ship, from the outside looking in anyway, but who knows only time will tell
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I don't get what your saying?
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He's saying that the coaches were asked if these players had helped the team in the past, and he responded yes in the past tense (because the question was about the past). He then concluded that we were moving on from Mack and Ward...  When you get a question about what a guy has done in the past, you respond in the past tense.
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On whether those two players have helped the Browns win: “They have. That’s past tense.”
The question was phrased in past tense, and so was the answer. I fail to see the point.
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On whether those two players have helped the Browns win: “They have. That’s past tense.”
The question was phrased in past tense, and so was the answer. I fail to see the point.
why did he feel the need to emphasize "That’s past tense"? just saying "they have" would have been fine. why the extra? maybe nothing? one thing for sure. we will find out soon enough.
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on a side note- it sounds like the Bills are not going to tag Byrd.
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on a side note- it sounds like the Bills are not going to tag Byrd.
Time to take that extra $4 mil from DQ , tag Mack and work on long-term deal, then go all in for Byrd, since a team can probably not tie up top dollars for two safeties, afraid that would mean Ward walks.
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If you told me we were going to take all the money we'd give to Ward to sign Byrd... I might be ok with that...
I think both would be a nice addition though, and we can obviously afford it...
Mack depends on how much he wants, Center money isn't all that key, people talk about keeping the Oline together, but if we swap out both Guards this offseason, then what really does keeping Mack in that lineup mean?
I don't think Mack is going to want crazy money, and I think he fits what Shanny looks for in Olineman more than what the guy that drafted him wanted... I wonder if he wants to be here, and if you have to overpay to keep him, I wouldn't..
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why did he feel the need to emphasize "That’s past tense"? just saying "they have" would have been fine. why the extra? maybe nothing? one thing for sure. we will find out soon enough.
I'm not trying to be snide here or anything. But he was asked a question in past tense and answered it in kind. The only one I've actually seen emphasize it has been you. Or did I miss something?
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why did he feel the need to emphasize "That’s past tense"? just saying "they have" would have been fine. why the extra? maybe nothing? one thing for sure. we will find out soon enough.
I'm not trying to be snide here or anything. But he was asked a question in past tense and answered it in kind. The only one I've actually seen emphasize it has been you. Or did I miss something?
wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. might be the third time.  but the silence is deafening especially with tj ward.
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Eh, I like it..
I don't want negotiations to be done through the media..
If they don't work out a deal and he goes somewhere else, that's fine, he will be replaced...
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LOL....I am not sure I agree with myself either.
Yeah, it's a tough call.
I'm w/you on Hoyer. I probably like Hoyer more than most. I want him to succeed more than the average Brown. I like underdogs.
The problem is that the sample size is so miniscule. Look at Campbell's first couple of games. People were saying he should be the starter next season hands down. Holcomb had some great games early. So did DA. Colt actually looked pretty good early on.
I really feel bad that Hoyer might have missed his one opportunity. He really might be a good qb, but I just don't think we can take that gamble.
I've been trying to look at it from a GM's perspective and I think you have to get the QB this year. We are in great position to get our guy and we shouldn't pass on that chance.
It's pretty cool to talk about this when we all are being logical. There were some fine posts in that section of the thread. And just so you know, I completely understand where you and Saint were coming from when you made those comments. They were logical and that is all that really matters.
Good discussion.
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why did he feel the need to emphasize "That’s past tense"? just saying "they have" would have been fine. why the extra? maybe nothing? one thing for sure. we will find out soon enough.
I'm not trying to be snide here or anything. But he was asked a question in past tense and answered it in kind. The only one I've actually seen emphasize it has been you. Or did I miss something?
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(Do you see Gipson being able to do a little bit of both?): "Uhh, yeah. In studying him so far in the offseason, he's a solid player."
That does NOT sound like TJ Ward.
As you guys well know, I will be fine w/that move. Keep Mack, Give him big money. Sign Byrd. Combine him w/Gipson. Let TJ walk. No problems on my end.
Now, I realize a lot of you will be upset if that goes down. And it may not happen that way. Just saying it is a possibility, especially when analyzing Pettine's comments and my feelings about Ward as a player.
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Exchanging Byrd for Ward would be a huge upgrade. I can't imagine too many people being upset with that move.
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Bryd worries me a bit. I have the Sunday ticket and was watching a couple of their games and it was said that he wasn't giving it his all and it was due to his contract status. There were even whispers of him exaggerating his injury.
Not sure if that is true or if it would be a lingering problem, but it does make one pause.
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Yeah, it's a tough call.
I'm w/you on Hoyer. I probably like Hoyer more than most. I want him to succeed more than the average Brown. I like underdogs.
The problem is that the sample size is so miniscule. Look at Campbell's first couple of games. People were saying he should be the starter next season hands down. Holcomb had some great games early. So did DA. Colt actually looked pretty good early on.
I really feel bad that Hoyer might have missed his one opportunity. He really might be a good qb, but I just don't think we can take that gamble.
I've been trying to look at it from a GM's perspective and I think you have to get the QB this year. We are in great position to get our guy and we shouldn't pass on that chance.
This is my conundrum (sp?), I think this puts us in a position that we take a QB that we "like" at #4 IF he is there, but that we can't (shouldn't) trade up for one. Hoyer may be the guy........then again, he may not......but he has given us enough of a tease to give him that shot. To me, that also means that if the guys we want is gone by our pick......we take the BPA and take a shot at another QB at 26 or with our 2nd..........not sure if that's how our higher ups are thinking, but that is how I would play it.
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I think this is due to all the snakes being chased from the barn. The guys in charge are working and keeping quiet. I think that's what is supposed to be done. No more "unnamed sources" . feeding the media gossip.
I couldn't agree with this bolded statement more.
A couple months ago, I went on a deep, angry screed about how every Browns offseason seems to be plagued with soap opera-type stories of dysfunction and turmoil. IMHO, the LESS we hear from them the better... because it means that they are actually doing real football work.
I'm one fan who doesn't NEED to know each and every detail as it unfolds. For me, it's the equivalent of 'seeing how sausage is made.'
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Haslam cleaned house and is under scrutiny from here out, I doubt he is going to let staffers leak stuff. They need to get it right. And for some unknown reason, I feel Farmer and Pettine are a good team.
They really DO need to get it right- and right now. An embarrassment of draft riches, a decent core of important on-field personnel, and a new FO/coaching staff place the stakes at an all-time high.
Truth: if they get more than 30% of this offseason wrong (draft/FA, team roster, FO structure/communication...), this team won't be a serious NFL presence for another 3-5 years.
Stay inside 'The Magic Number,' and this team could jump all over the AFCN in the next 2 seasons.
I get a vaguely good feel from Farmer and Pettine. They seem like the kind of guys who could deal with the specifics of playing in the AFCN... but dang! -They're so... new. I wish I could totally get on-board, but I've been burned so many times before. Brand me as a "Cautious Optomist."
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I have grown tired of the media leaks that plague this team. Hopefully those days are gone.
Me too.
In my original post, I talked about the Browns being the equivalent of My Wife's favorite soap opera. Since 1999, the Browns' biggest drama has always happened between December and April... which is the exact opposite of the 'timeline for drama' that a football fan wants to see.
Media leaks, rumor, and FO intrigue are the hallmarks of a team in dysfunction; a team that is focused on the 'everything else' part of The Game. They were not focused upon the drama that comes from winning games on Sunday afternoons.
'Gametime drama' is what we fans want most desperately to experience... and what we pay to see. We want to see a team that inspires confidence- and a surety that Any Given Sunday can always be Our Sunday.
Since 1999, The Cleveland Browns have been "180 degrees out-of-phase."
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On any team that is transitioning from 'developmental' to 'developed,' the FO reaches that point when they must re-sign vets, or gamble on rookie/FA replacements. Good teams know who to re-sign. IMHO, both are worth finding some way to keep. However it's worked out, I think it's important to both O & D that these guys get locked down for another contract.
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Truth: if they get more than 30% of this offseason wrong (draft/FA, team roster, FO structure/communication...), this team won't be a serious NFL presence for another 3-5 years.
I don't know if I agree with that, mostly because I don't know how you would measure that.
I think we got the coach right, but we probably won't know for several seasons. Everything I can find on Farmer from sources outside our own team are positive. If he wasn't our GM, it is pretty safe to say he was going to be a GM for some team in the near future.
I guess that leaves players selected and signed. As for players selected, I don't think 7 of our 10 draft choices have to become good players. In most cases only 1-2 players can make a draft great. We also have several free agents we need to sign, but to an extent we have less control over that unless we tag them, and I believe today is the last day for that..
I do agree we need to make correct decisions. I just question the 70% figure. To me it's hard to put exact numbers on an inexact science.
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on a side note- it sounds like the Bills are not going to tag Byrd.
Time to take that extra $4 mil from DQ , tag Mack and work on long-term deal, then go all in for Byrd, since a team can probably not tie up top dollars for two safeties, afraid that would mean Ward walks.
Ahh, we got the money.. we could do it and it wouldn't even sting..LOL
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I must say, it seems that a calm and quietness is settling over the franchise. Since the combine media mob left Indianapolis, the background noise associated with the Browns (since 08/2012) seems to be growing more quite by the day.
It's not hard to pinpoint where the leaks were coming from...and it wasn't the underling staff working for the noise makers, Banner and Lombardi.
It is a welcomed change...
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jc Browns free agency: Needs are plenty without adding center and safety to the mix The Morning Kickoff … Time to spend: NFL free agency isn’t about Best Player Available. That’s the draft. Free agency is about fitting a proven player to fit a well-defined need. It sounds simple and easy. Need a running back? Run down the list and pick one. For several reasons, though, NFL teams stumble over free agency and blow more money on mis-hits and outright whiffs in free agency than they do in the draft. For one thing, free agents are expensive. The best ones have four years experience and are embarking on their second contracts. They are ready to peak – on the field and in the bank account. But teams don’t do nearly the homework on free agency that they do on the draft. They don’t do background checks and they don’t take into account a player’s potential problems in changing from the only NFL team he has ever known to an entirely new system, locker room dynamic, coaching staff and market. Free agency is best used by playoff-contending teams. A loaded team that is one position shy of competing for a Super Bowl can make up the difference in free agency. Free agency is fools-gold for the hapless teams trying to take shortcuts to contention. Any team that signs more than three free agents in a given season is doomed. It is kidding itself and its fans to think all three will play up to their bloated contracts. If they’re lucky, one will. Free agency begins March 11. The Browns right now have about $56 million in salary cap room. That includes $24 million carried over from 2013. If they’re smart, they will devote most of it to re-signing center Alex Mack and safety T.J. Ward – each of whom had his best season in 2013 -- and re-signing core players to keep them from leaving next year, such as cornerback Joe Haden, tight end Jordan Cameron, linebacker Jabaal Sheard, tackle Phil Taylor, end Ahtyba Rubin and quarterback Brian Hoyer.But the Browns certainly can improve their 2014 roster by participating in free agency. Here is a look at how each position group might be affected by free agency. Quarterback: The proper QB depth chart should be: 1. A veteran (Hoyer) capable of winning and mentoring; 2. A rookie franchise quarterback hopeful; and 3. A young developmental prospect. There is speculation of adding washed-up clipboard-holder Rex Grossman (Redskins) to help usher in coordinator Kyle Shanahan’s offensive system. Is that really necessary? Running back: Ben Tate (Texans) and Knowshon Moreno (Broncos) are two backs linked to the Browns because they fit Shanahan’s one-cut running scheme. At 25 and 26, respectively, either is young enough to pursue as a feature back. But a young, hungry back definitely should be added in the draft, too. Fullback: Just find somebody to lead block on third-and-1. Receiver: The Browns need two additions – a No. 2 to complement Josh Gordon and a No. 3 slot receiver. Eric Decker (Broncos) and Julian Edelman (Patriots) will command the most attention. I would pass on both. Emmanuel Sanders (Steelers) is far more attractive, to me. For the second year in a row, I make a pitch for local product Ted Ginn Jr. (Panthers) as a third or fourth receiver and return specialist. The No. 2 receiver should come high in the draft, which is loaded with them. Offensive line: Sign the most athletic, agile guard under 30. And then consider another one. Losing Mack would present a major problem. There isn’t another center close in free agency. Franchising Mack at $11.6 million is just about out of the question. Defensive line: Nothing to see here. Linebacker: With the release of D’Qwell Jackson, they may have to add two inside linebackers, as Craig Robertson’s hold on his job is iffy, at best. If coach Mike Pettine and defensive coordinator Jim O’Neil are going to lean on former Buffalo Bills to fill some holes, then Arthur Moats could be a possibility. Although he started 12 games, he was a part-time player for the Bills. Brandon Spikes (Patriots) and Darryl Sharpton (Texans) are other starters available. Cornerback: Last year the Browns needed a starting-caliber player. They signed Atlanta backup Chris Owens and wound up waiving him off injured reserve late in the year. Opposite Joe Haden, Buster Skrine conceivably could open the season as the other starter and allow time to break in a rookie during the year. Skrine could excel at nickel back if he could concentrate exclusively there. So a better No. 2 must be found. Sam Shields (Packers) might be the best available. He will be pricey. Safety: The Browns have a deadline of Monday to use the franchise tag on T.J. Ward. I don’t think they will use it. If they don’t, I expect Ward to bolt. I think Pettine would like to bring in Bills free safety Jairus Byrd, who is a ball hawk coverage safety. Pettine easily could slide Tashaun Gipson into Ward’s role closer to the line of scrimmage. Byrd will not come cheaply. It is extremely unlikely the Browns re-sign Ward and then sign Byrd.Kicker:Re-signing Billy Cundiff would be OK. He was really good on kickoffs, and 0-for-1 on game-winning field goal attempts (a 58-yarder against New England). If Cundiff isn’t brought back, the Browns should consider drafting a kicker. http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&action=blog&r=17&post_id=29341
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It is extremely unlikely the Browns re-sign Ward and then sign Byrd.
So what would the odds be of letting Ward walk & then whiffing on Byrd? 
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It is extremely unlikely the Browns re-sign Ward and then sign Byrd.
So what would the odds be of letting Ward walk & then whiffing on Byrd?
Yeah, that's what I'm worried about. Gambling on Byrd, wind up not getting him, and losing out on both.
Who knows, really? I mean, is there any word on the relationship between Pettine and Byrd on being either good or bad?
I get that overall Byrd>Ward and maybe backroom words have been said between Byrd's agent and the Browns about coming here, but based on reports, this dude wants to be PAID BIG TIME. I don't blame him at all for it and would welcome him with open arms if he comes here, but I still wonder if the juice is worth the squeeze in regards to him warranting TOP DOLLAR.
It would be interesting to see what Earl Thomas' contract will be beforehand (if that were to happen). Not sure who is the better of the two.
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Ywah, Byrd willnot come cheap, regardless if we want him or TJ we will have to dig deep, question is who do you want to pay?
For me , it's Byrd, but you are also correct in that it is a gamble, to have neither of them them would be a disaster.
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It is extremely unlikely the Browns re-sign Ward and then sign Byrd.
So what would the odds be of letting Ward walk & then whiffing on Byrd?
Yeah, that's what I'm worried about. Gambling on Byrd, wind up not getting him, and losing out on both.
Who knows, really? I mean, is there any word on the relationship between Pettine and Byrd on being either good or bad?
I get that overall Byrd>Ward and maybe backroom words have been said between Byrd's agent and the Browns about coming here, but based on reports, this dude wants to be PAID BIG TIME. I don't blame him at all for it and would welcome him with open arms if he comes here, but I still wonder if the juice is worth the squeeze in regards to him warranting TOP DOLLAR.
It would be interesting to see what Earl Thomas' contract will be beforehand (if that were to happen). Not sure who is the better of the two.
Thomas is better; simply because he's a bit more versatile than Byrd is. Doesn't have the injury history either.
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Also, Just found this out per Peter King's MMQB article.....Jairus Byrd's father, Gil, is a asst. coach in the secondary for the Bucs. He may want to go play for him.
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