Yeah, that is why I say he could be the 3rd guy. That was early on, before the pressure got to him and the other teams started to adjust to him. Precisely what you want in a 3rd qb.
Well, not exactly. I suppose your 3rd QB could be a young guy w/a ton of potential.
I thought Cambell played well enough to keep his job as backup. I could see him getting cut and bringing in a guy like Rex Grossman or possibly Schaub to be the backup with both being familiar with Shannys O.
As for Weeden does it make sense to cut him contract wise? How much of a cap hit would we take? If that number is too great does it make sense to just keep him as a 3rd QB?
Thanks Vers. Me and you go back. I have PMd you a couple times before the Richardson/ Martin draft. I was on the other site a lot.(Couldn't remember my login here) but since the other site has been shut down I will be here more. At least until the season comes.
Quote: I am fine with Weedon staying one more year. AS long as he is third on the depth cart behind Hoyer and a Rookie or young free agent. He sucks but so do most third string QB's
I don't want him here because he would be a cancer in the locker room. Just look at the man's comments. The guy simply isn't capable of being an asset to a team. He's a failure in two sports. I think he should take up curling although I think the strategy behind it might be too difficult for him to grasp.
Quote: Well, not exactly. I suppose your 3rd QB could be a young guy w/a ton of potential.
That's what I'm hoping for. I hope we draft two QB's in May. Either a rookie or Hoyer as the starter, and one to back them up and develop. If we do keep Campbell as a 3rd it won't freak me out or anything, I could understand it I suppose. But man I really want a stable of young QB's. *Fingers Crossed* they pick a couple good ones! And I know I will catch a ton of heat for this, but we better find a running back. I don't care what round, but wherever they take him, he better stud out. Throwing the ball 42 times a game and ending the season with a couple rushing TD's won't cut it in this division. We need some "Beast Mode" of our own.
This draft has me nervous. Most important draft since 99 in my estimation, and Farmer is an unknown factor. We really have no idea how the Pettine/Farmer team will draft. They could very well knock one out of the park. If they draft well, this team could make a significant jump in the coming years. If we re-live the 09 draft, it could set us back even further. Peace....
So, you all would pay your 3rd QB 3mil and rather take a 4mil cap hit just so the Name Campbell Pops out at 3 on the depth chart rather than Weeden....smart armchair GMs you are, lol
With that money we could pay a real player, like tagging Ward or adding a FA starter or two in FA, but you're all right, it's more important who is our 3rd QB next season collecting their last paycheck
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"Players come along at different points in time" - Ray Farmer
Of course we all are discussing about our possible #3 QB...lol we are probably the only NFL message board with a 6 page discussion on who to be our #3.
Hey the winner could be Tanney
But because we are talking about our #3, I happen to like Weeden a little better cause at least he went for it. Who it prefer is meaningless. The deciding factor with the #3 between Weeden and Campbell might be the 2 mil that separates them. Which if that is the factor just why Tanney might be the #3???
Or possibly a QB we liked and take him in the 7th or UDFA stash him on the practice squad and go with two???
I'm looking at Gordon's two big games. correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Weeden throw those balls for his record? That's what I look at and say hey he ain't so bad FOR #3.
As for his comments...any athlete wants to start to play. I don't blame the words spoken just how he reacts if we keep him here. If he's a team guy great. If he's a jerk about it cut his butt. jmho
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So, you all would pay your 3rd QB 3mil and rather take a 4mil cap hit just so the Name Campbell Pops out at 3 on the depth chart rather than Weeden....smart armchair GMs you are, lol
With that money we could pay a real player, like tagging Ward or adding a FA starter or two in FA, but you're all right, it's more important who is our 3rd QB next season collecting their last paycheck
Yeah, and you are brilliant.
Weeden has said he wants out. He has bashed the organization. The players appear to be deflated when he is in the game. His statistics are embarrassing. He makes stupid decisions and then deflects blame. He has not improved. He holds the ball forever. Farmer's words were very damning.
And you still can't see the writing on the wall?
God forbid you admitting you wrong. Turn it around and call us smart armchair GMs. LOL man, you are entertaining.
I want both gone. Arguing to keep Campbell at 3mil is beyond stupid though and that's what you and a couple others did. It makes zero sense. He's already cut and everyone knows it, unless he Takes a huge pay cut to stay.
Weeden should be gone too, both because of what he said and how he was treated before that, because financally the best thing would be to just keep him as 3rd QB or even better trade him, but tboth those ships have sailed now.
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"Players come along at different points in time" - Ray Farmer
Here is what his agent said ....... quoted from the beginning of this thread .......
"Given the turmoil with the coaching staff and lack of public support from the most recent front office," Silver was told, "he's interested in a fresh start, with a clean slate and an opportunity to compete to show he has the talent to develop into a productive player in the league."
There is nothing there that is inaccurate.
Turmoil with the coaching staff? (and front office as well) Check.
Lack of public support? (for him) Check
Interested in a clean start? Check.
Maybe you, or others, might not like what his agent said ..... but it's really not inaccurate, or bashing. The problem is that it's all true.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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The money is not really an issue. Who are we going to find on the street that is better?
We probably will cut JC and we might bring in Grossman, but the latter is not as good as the former.
I am not really going to get worked up over it. My point is that I don't think there is any way Weeden stays on the roster. Some of you were acting like he is a better fit at 3 than JC. I disagree.
Lets face if it is a bad attitude problem...Its a no brainer to release him. My point is I just got a lot of quotes, I'm not there - I haven't had a one on one with him to get a good read.
As noted we might even get rid of both. If he turns out to be a bad Apple sure - he will be gone. I just don't know it yet. Could be. But if not I don't mind the wanting to seek a place where he has a chance to be a legit #2 and compete for #1. If he stays and turns out to be a cancer. Its not painful to Cut your #3. There is no rush. Actually a good message to the players maybe...We ain't going to take Crap...if so you are out of a job.
Campbell I really don't know what there is to see in him. I don't see him as a mentor. Actually he's older than Weeden and being developed still with many more years in the NFL. His quick release I read in some report...WAS TAUGHT TO HIM LAST SEASON BY NORV...it didn't come with him here. Btw...when I put something in CAPS I'm not yelling at you all...I'm HILIGHTING an important thought especially for the Skim readers...lol
I'm not going to be upset one bit on who becomes our #3...as long as we never see him again without the Cap on...thats all I care about.
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True Dawg LB...Campbell did start a game and had 1 win while Weeden only came in the first Quarter of a game and left it with a Win...Campbell was way better he had those extra 7 minutes in his win...lol
just messing with ya!
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I have to agree with you there. Who really cares who the 3rd string guy is?
I just want to see the Browns recoup some of their guarantees if they give Weeden an early release. (and Weeden would certainly have to do that in order to facilitate a trade when a new team would have to take on those guarantees)
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Quote: Who really cares who the 3rd string guy is?
Not many....until we have to use him.
How many great 3rd string QBs are there in the NFL? lol The 3rd stringer isn't usually going to win many games, That's why some teams carry only 2 ...... because they feel that they can find as good a guy sitting at home on the couch if they need one.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Lol Eotab, you're are just one of few, very few, who will forever stand by Brandon Weeden for whatever reason(s). I realize this, so...
... but even Chud the Dud, who'll play anyone regardless if they're sucking or not - even kept Weeden on the bench. Tanney, a no-name WHO was inline to start over Weeden during the last stench of the season there. Blunt truth, he just has no skills bro. Arm with no skill like a motor with no gas. A burrito with no meat or anything. A computer with no power supply. You get the point, but then again I guess you really don't since you think the kid still has game and can ball. Even after watching all his mistakes that are repeated over, and over, and over... and over again.
What will your reasons be when next season comes and that's the last paycheck from any NFL teams that kid will ever see cause nobody wants him? That other teams are stupid when evaluating potential talent in young (in this case, old) kids?
Since Weeden is the great football player he is, then Norv should be levy to make a trade with us since they need a QB there in Minnesota. Weeden can be the Vikigns savior since he has ample amounts of pure talent. BUT WAIT, I don't hear Norv levying for that... I don't hear us levying for him. I don't hear ANYONE levying for him.
Quote: Who really cares who the 3rd string guy is?
Not many....until we have to use him.
How many great 3rd string QBs are there in the NFL? lol The 3rd stringer isn't usually going to win many games, That's why some teams carry only 2 ...... because they feel that they can find as good a guy sitting at home on the couch if they need one.
I agree, generally, with the point you are making. However, remember last season...we were into our 4th (or 5th?) QB. Of course you are dead-in-the-water when you have to go that low on the totem pole,but most people do care at that point who the newest cannon fodder is...
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Quote: ... but even Chud the Dud, who'll play anyone regardless if they're sucking or not - even kept Weeden on the bench. Tanney, a no-name WHO was inline to start over Weeden during the last stench of the season there.
Not sure if that was intentional or a freudian slip.
But either way it's funny as hell!
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Quote: Is it bad that it made me laugh a little too after reading that? LMAO, stretch was the appropriate word
We could argue about which word is more appropriate...
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Quote: Oh I have made it clear we are screwed when Weeden plays BUT we are screwed whenever our 3rd sting QB plays. lol
2013 Cleveland Browns
Starting QB: Brandon Weeden (0-5) - or (1-5) if you give him the win for when he took over for Hoyer
Backup QB: Jason Campbell (1-7)
Third String QB: Brian Hoyer (3-0) - or (2-0) if you give Weeden the win in substitution for Hoyer
Althought Hoyer came into the game before Campbell, so was he really the #3?
Yes. And Campbell finished the game that 'Weeden got his thumb dinged'. So, yes, Hoyer would have been the #3 QB. After that game, he was Campbell's backup until the practices that following week when Hoyer took the job from him.
Here is what his agent said ....... quoted from the beginning of this thread .......
"Given the turmoil with the coaching staff and lack of public support from the most recent front office," Silver was told, "he's interested in a fresh start, with a clean slate and an opportunity to compete to show he has the talent to develop into a productive player in the league."
There is nothing there that is inaccurate.
Turmoil with the coaching staff? (and front office as well) Check.
Turmoil? What turmoil? The old one is gone and a new one is in place but I don't see it as turmoil.
Quote: Lack of public support? (for him) Check
That lack of support is well-deserved. It seems to me that the lack of support extends privately too.
Quote: Interested in a clean start? Check.
We all want a new start and I think it stands to reason that is why Haslam has done all the off-season moves in the coaching staff and front office.
Quote: Maybe you, or others, might not like what his agent said ..... but it's really not inaccurate, or bashing. The problem is that it's all true.
Keeping a player you never want to see play again? Really? What is the logic in that?
Please I understand its a message board and communication sometimes gets a little off but think this out before you go and Downgrade me...and others.
We are talking about our 3rd String QB... I'll take in the other direction and sort of insult you the same way.
REALLY? What is in the logic of WANTING YOUR 3rd STRING QB to PLAY?
I even made it very clear that I really don't mind who becomes the 3rd string guy...another late round rookie, Campbell, Weeden nor Tanney. What I don't want is to see them anytime with a helmet on...just as long as we see them in the Baseball Cap come Game day.
And you know...what ever team I would follow I would think the same way.
And the he's going to and already is a cancer. No insult but I trust certain things I don't care how unstable the Browns are...If he is we will Cut his butt...pure and simple. Taking your SPECULATION as fact...ehhh excuse me for waiting. The guys in communication with him will get that FACT or Fiction...I have no doubt he will be cut.
Actually I don't know what is the RUSH you got there. Hey if he's a cancer I ain't dong him any favors. Let everyone get their FA QBs...let every one draft a QB then cut his butt. Why reward him by cutting him now. If it just happens this was just a want to compete for the starting position I don't blame any football player for wanting that. But to state an opinion of yours as a FACT now or soon to be. Sorry I cannot say - yep it must be so CUT HIS BUTT. I'll wait. No rush. I sure as heck will not reward him with a release early. He wants to make the Browns miserable - then he gets treated miserably back.
jmho
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will forever stand by Brandon Weeden for whatever reason(s).
yep my opinion is not opinion cause I'm a true homer.
Let me put this another way. I know a lot of QBs...they would think of me as their WORST Fan, coach whatever level it is in. If I'm campaigning for them to be a 3rd String QB. I'm giving valid reason and logic... you are throwing out things like Chud the Dud....
I'll put it another way so you understand...see a theme here.
Lets go around the NFL and take all the 3rd string QBs and rank them. Weeden is ours I would think we got one of the better ones around the NFL. In your mentality you cannot grasp the fact no where in my language or stipulations am I even talking about him to compete as our starter.
I'm saying have him as one of 80+ in camps - if he is remotely a cancer - cut him but not when it benefits him. Cut him when it hurts him for being an idiot.
Every time I say Weeden can be a good #3 you seem to think I am campaigning for him to be the starter. I lost most hope of him being OUR GUY just around Game 3 when I saw Hoyer play in contrast and I didn't even think Game 3 was a very good game by Hoyer.
Still his pay is not that high. We can always cut him later. I prefer him over Campbell but if its the other way around I won't cry about it. This has nothing to do with me being a Weeden guy...I'm never an Anybody guy except for an OLman here n there cause I like OL play. If they are a Brown and can help us in anyway...I'm all for them. If they are respected by me and Leave I don't follow there team I say thank you and good health. If they are not respected by me but I stuck up for them as a Brown...I will say he turned out to be Bad.
There is no so...in my opinion. Disprove my logic if you wish, express your opinion with some logic go ahead. But I do have a pet peeve about my opinion is no good cause its different than yours so it must be my HOMERISM which I profess I am a Homer but my football is still good and logical.
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off! Go Browns! CHRIST HAS RISEN! GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
BUT WAIT, I don't hear Norv levying for that... I don't hear us levying for him. I don't hear ANYONE levying for him.
