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sure, beat the Thunder at full strength when you're all banged up in OKC. normal, right?
oh, and start the 4th quarter with a decent deficit and have Tyler Zeller and Dellavedova be the guys who get you the lead back before Irving and Jack take us home. Yawn, just par for the course, right?
Weird game. And, I only saw the 4th quarter. Noticed that those 2nd unit guys barely got any run but they sure saved us there near the end.
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lol i was thinking that too, turned it on at 8 minutes left for laughs and found up we were up..i was like  , I REALLY like hawes game...a 7ft guy that can shoot and drive and finish with either hand..plus he's a good passer. Sorry but I think if i pick between glass andy and hawes, no brainer, trade andy and resign hawes. Just can't count on andy any longer. Hawes and zeller together are pretty good. Both can shoot a bit and both finish well around the rim. Is it me or does TT look so slow on defense. Kyrie and jack go well together. I think the starting 5 today was my favorite this season. I'd give this a few games even when waiters, cj and the glass man come back.
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Doesn't Andy have a team option for next year, with something like a $4 million buyout. I do like how Hawes appears to fit this team. I am disappointed how Deng has not fit, but Hawes definitely looks like a real keeper. I actually like the looks of Hawes/Zeller at Center. Man, who would have thought that this team, missing Andy, Waiters, and Miles, would beat the Thunder, at full strength, in Oklahoma City? Man, try to figure this team out?  Well .... the last thing I want to see is this team sneak into the playoffs as a final day 8th seed ..... so if they can't get the 5th seed or above, then I hope they don't screw up their shot at giving young Mr. Gilbert another shot at pulling off a miracle.
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We shot 95% from the free throw line and kept OKC from getting to the line themselves. Spencer Hawes was a huge problem for OKC too. They can't handle stretch big men because of their big guys.
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Well .... the last thing I want to see is this team sneak into the playoffs as a final day 8th seed .....
I would rather be a final day #8, and get to host a playoff game in Cleveland again...
Than get the 14th pick...
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Yeah ...... but I would prefer to either get up to the level of the 5th seed, where we stand a chance of winning a series, than sit at 8 and get destroyed.
I would prefer to either get to 5, or drop into the lottery. Middle ground would probably be the worst.
I like the way Hawes looks with the team so far. He looks like a good fit with Irving, and should fit with Waiters as well. He provides a lot of what I hoped Deng would so far. He is able to hit a jump shot, and clear the middle for our drivers. His game also doesn't trip over Thompson's. The spacing just appears to work better with him in the game.
I also like Zeller in the backup role. His game is developing nicely. I love the fact that we have a pair of true 7 footers we can rotate in and out.
I really don't know what to do with Andy if he returns to health. Maybe split his time between C and PF, and give him 10-15 minutes/night. That might keep him fresh, and limit his injury risk somewhat.
Anyway ...... I just have no idea what to make of this team. They drive me crazy even more than the Browns do, because they have talent ....... and still manage to blow up for no reason.
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I don't really care where it is, I just want to make the playoffs. Chances are if you know who doesn't return, than Kyrie is probably gone, and we will sure enough be right back in the high lotto anyway. Let's have some fun.
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How much fun would it be to make the 8 seed, and get murdered by either Indiana or Miami?
I understand making the playoffs, and how that would be nice, but I'd also like a chance to maybe win a series ...... or a game anyway. I don't see that as likely in a series against the Pacers or the Heat.
I think that any free agent looking at our team would have to do some projection at this point, even if we make the 8th seed. Hell, Lebron left this team when we were a top seed.
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How much fun would it be to make the 8 seed, and get murdered by either Indiana or Miami?
A hell of a lot more fun than going back to the lottery.
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How much fun would it be to make the 8 seed, and get murdered by either Indiana or Miami?
A hell of a lot more fun than going back to the lottery.
Too bad they couldn't trade last year's lottery or this year's. This is the year teams actually need to be in the lottery.
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I think that any free agent looking at our team would have to do some projection at this point, even if we make the 8th seed. Hell, Lebron left this team when we were a top seed.
Yea the reason we were a top seed was because of LeBron. Take him off that team and you saw what they were.
I agree with the others. We need to make the playoffs and we need to contend. We won't beat a top seed, but if we can compete, that will put us in a spot to sign top notch FA's.
LeBron ain't coming back unless we are a playoff team. God I can't believe I just typed that. 3 years ago I wanted the guy lynched. Now I am ready to welcome him back with open arms. Lol
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I don't really care where it is, I just want to make the playoffs. Chances are if you know who doesn't return, than Kyrie is probably gone, and we will sure enough be right back in the high lotto anyway. Let's have some fun.
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Yeah, I would rather either get into a series we stand a chance of competing in, or have a chance at a pick that could change the direction of this franchise.
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The notion that plugging some 19-year-old kid into the lineup is going magically reverse the team's fortunes is hilarious. What the Cavs need at this point is to learn and understand that winning comes from playing like a team instead of just five guys who are wearing the same shirt.
Are you going to tell me that Toronto, Chicago and Washington are that much more talented than the Cavs? Those three teams are 9.5, 9 and 7.5 games ahead of the Cavs right now.
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I think that any free agent looking at our team would have to do some projection at this point, even if we make the 8th seed. Hell, Lebron left this team when we were a top seed.
Yea the reason we were a top seed was because of LeBron. Yea the reason we were a top seed was because of LeBron. Take him off that team and you saw what they were.
I agree with the others. We need to make the playoffs and we need to contend. We won't beat a top seed, but if we can compete, that will put us in a spot to sign top notch FA's.
LeBron ain't coming back unless we are a playoff team. God I can't believe I just typed that. 3 years ago I wanted the guy lynched. Now I am ready to welcome him back with open arms. Lol
I know that some rumors have surfaced over the last 2 weeks about Lebron, Kyrie, etc...
But I really don't believe any of them are true.
For one, I don't believe Lebron has any idea what he's doing in 2014. I think we all thought Miami was in the bag in 2010, but don't forget Miami had to have a few things go their way with trades to make that possible, and that wasn't done until after the that season. So while Miami was probably talked about, he definitely had to leave his options open. Why wouldn't he? He has the luxury of waiting and seeing what there is. This summer won't be any different...
I also read that Kyrie and Lebron don't want to play together and that Kyrie doesn't want to share the spotlight. I call crap on that, especially the latter.
So Kyrie Irving doesn't want to play with other great players? What, he's the one superstar in this league that wants to do it on his own? Come on man...
I'm not saying those 2 are in cahoots, but to say he wouldn't share the spotlight with the best player in the league is complete crap.
I do think there is still a chance Lebron wants to come back. While things look bad right now, don't forget, Miami was a joke in their final season before Lebron and Bosh took over. They were an 8th seed. Anything can happen.
I wouldn't put money on Lebron coming back, but I'm not ruling it out either. I still think odds say that he stays and someone else on the Heat is out.
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I think the odds right now are of LeBron, Wade, and Bosh all clicking on the "opt-in" clause on their contract and playing 1 more year. Makes the most sense for them IMO.
After next year, they can reassess some of these rebuilding situations better that they might be interested in joining (Lakers - 1yr less of Kobe, Chicago - see if Rose is healthy, etc.).
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Miami may have been a joke in 2009 (they still won 43 games), but they had one thing going for them: Lebron's best friend.
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The notion that plugging some 19-year-old kid into the lineup is going magically reverse the team's fortunes is hilarious. What the Cavs need at this point is to learn and understand that winning comes from playing like a team instead of just five guys who are wearing the same shirt.
Are you going to tell me that Toronto, Chicago and Washington are that much more talented than the Cavs? Those three teams are 9.5, 9 and 7.5 games ahead of the Cavs right now.
Like I said ..... if it comes to getting blown out as a 7/8 seed, or making the lottery again ..... give me the lottery.
I see no great advantage to getting our butts kicked in a short playoff series.
I do agree with what you say about the players needing to play together, and in fact, I have argued all along that this team is more talented than they have shown, and that some of the parts just don't fit together well.
What really sucks is that Waiters and Irving were finally starting to work together a bit, and then Waiters had to go get hurt. Hopefully they can continue that growth when he comes back.
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Miami may have been a joke in 2009 (they still won 43 games), but they had one thing going for them: Lebron's best friend.
- Lebron's best friend (taking you for your word on this one)
- Pat Riley
- Opportunity to play with 2 players who were and are far and away better than anybody he ever played with in Cleveland
- Beautiful South Beach women
- Decent enough weather
- No state income tax
He's not coming back to Cleveland guys. Neither is any other superstar free agent. Hasn't happened in the 44 year history of the franchise and I'd be shocked if that changed in the forseeable future. Best to just accept that as fans and focus on building through the draft and trades and building around a tight-knit, cohesive core.
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The notion that plugging some 19-year-old kid into the lineup is going magically reverse the team's fortunes is hilarious. What the Cavs need at this point is to learn and understand that winning comes from playing like a team instead of just five guys who are wearing the same shirt.
Are you going to tell me that Toronto, Chicago and Washington are that much more talented than the Cavs? Those three teams are 9.5, 9 and 7.5 games ahead of the Cavs right now.
Toronto - Don't know
Chicago - No
Washington - Yes
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I want to be a playoff team.
I want to have something to root for.
If you're scared of getting swept. Then you don't really belong in sports.
Getting the 14th pick, versus the 15th pick. Hell. Getting a Top 3 pick doesn't mean we win more games.
I just find it crazy that with the choice of barely missing or making. You don't want extra games. That actually mean something.
If the Browns were 7-8, and week 17 meant going to the playoffs to play a team that you know will beat you, are you ganna say no because you want the better draft pick?
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Can't compare NFL Playoffs to NBA playoffs. In the NFL you have to get lucky just once.
Are you going to think 5 years from now about the time you got swept in he first round or the time you got a potential game changer?
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At some point you have to stop hoping for "potential game changers" (because one comes around maybe every five years or so) and assemble an actual team and win some games.
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My point was, if you're going into the playoffs thinking youre ganna get crushed. You probably will..
Atlanta a few years ago went 7 games with Boston. I'm not saying they'reganna upset an Indiana or Miami, and yes a series against a 3 or 4 seed would play about better.
But if you're saying, no playoffs with a low lottery chance, or 8 seed, I take the playoffs everytime regardless of who we play... because you get to play...
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I think even an ass-kicking could bode well for this group going into next year. It's just my opinion. I really don't have any proof to back it up, because we've seen playoff teams go flat on their face afterward, but if you ask me, this group needs it. They need to see what it's like...
What if, during a series with Miami, they learn how to keep up? Sure that won't help them right at the moment in that series, but it could pay dividends in the future. Maybe they won't take so many nights off during the year against meh teams...
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If we dont make the playoffs, I hope it at least comes down to the last couple games. I miss meaningful cavs games
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Wow! Kyrie with his 1st career triple double! Hawes with 13 points and 16 boards! Man, he is really going to help this team. I don't know if it's too late or not though. Thompson had 18 points and 14 boards, and Zeller had 10 points and 9 boards. Great game for our front court, that's for sure. I know it was Utah ...... but that's impressive. NBA Recap - Utah Jazz at Cleveland Cavaliers - Feb 28, 2014 - CBSSports.com http://www.cbssports.com/nba/gametracker/recap/NBA_20140228_UTA@CLECLEVELAND (AP) Kyrie Irving recorded his first career triple-double with 21 points, 12 assists and 10 rebounds to lead the Cleveland Cavaliers to a 99-79 win over the Utah Jazz on Friday night. The All-Star Game MVP was two rebounds shy of the mark going into the fourth quarter, but grabbed his ninth rebound early in the period and pulled down his 10th with 4:12 to go. A young fan wearing a stocking cap raced on the floor and patted Irving on the shoulder midway through the fourth quarter, but was quickly subdued by several policemen and security guards. The fan was wrestled to the floor and led away in handcuffs. Luol Deng scored 16 points as the Cavaliers placed five players in double figures. Gordon Hayward scored 18 points for Utah, which began a six-game road trip.
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Oh, and I wanted to add ...... for those wanting the playoffs ..... that we are now tied with Detroit in the 9th spot in the East, 3.5 games back of Atlanta for the 8th spot.
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The fact that they beat the Utahs of the world is important... Keep doing that, and occasionally knock off an OKC, and youll be fine... Now if we could just beat the fricken Raptors 
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5 games back of the Nets for the 6seed.
the Raptors are pretty much the type of team that gives us fits. they are full of athletic slashers, which compromises Mike Brown's help system (especially since our guys were half-assing it until recently).
tonight was a really good win. things are finally coming together.
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Spencer Hawes  Lual Dang  By my math that's 4 second round draft picks. Assuming we resign Hawes, considering our current instability, I'll take it. I think Hawes and Zeller could really push eachother.
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well another game lost by mike browns coaching brilliance..again no adjustments at half, come out and get drilled in the 3rd, for 9 minutes during that time he had the worst players on the team out there all at once....Jarret jack is the worst PG i've ever seen, well dellededova is worse, you can't tell me there's not a d-league PG better than this dude...but whatever jarrett scores, he gives up twice as much to the guy he "defends" and when he has the ball on "offense" he's a black hole and a horrible distributer...waiters and miles can't come back fast enough. I really like hawes, i hope we resign him and cut andy....use that money and find an enforcer down low because butterhands thompson and zeller are too weak inside. They are hustle guys and they have decent offensive games. But they get abused inside. Kyrie is really starting to grow into the PG role, he's becoming a really effective distributer and the pick and pop game with hawes is a pretty nice sight. Hawes reminds me alot of what Z was supposed to be before all the ankle/foot issues. But mike brown and his ability to make adjustments to his "offense" is what's really holding this team back, and the continous inability to show his team how to defend the 3 or the pick and roll.
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Not sure how to get a D-League player but there is PG Pierre Jackson putting up 29.1 points per game right now. I would start him over Jack right now.
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Pierre Jackson heading overseas after quiet deadline
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Despite lighting up the D-League all season long, rookie guard Pierre Jackson has been unable to find a place in the NBA. With the Pelicans owning his draft rights and failing to trade him by Thursday's deadline, Jackson has decided to head overseas to play in Turkey, according to Yahoo.com.
Jackson, the 42nd pick in this year's draft, averaged 29.1 points, 6.2 assists per game in 31 games for the Idaho Stampede in the D-League.
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The Nuggets and Cavaliers have inquired about trading for Idaho Stampede point guard Pierre Jackson, a league source told Comcast SportsNet Northwest on Saturday. The Pelicans currently own his rights, but have not been approached with a trade offer "to their liking."
Jackson was drafted by Philadelphia in the second round of this year's draft and was shipped to New Orleans in the Jrue Holiday-Nerlens Noel draft-day deal. He's the second-highest scorer in the D-League with 29.1 points, 6.2 assists and 3.6 rebounds through 31 games with the Stampede.
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That would have been alot better option than jack and /della...both of them suck...
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Well ... you can't make a team trade you a player. They wound up holding on to his rights, so no one was able to pry him away.
I do have to say that I am amazed with how well Hawes has played so far. Man, he looks like a perfect fit for this team, and I hope that we are able to re-sign him. As disappointed as I have been with Deng so far, I have been impressed with Hawes so far.
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Looks like we get waiters back tonight..even if he's only 25%, that's better than 100% of the monster that is jack and della..less minutes for them is def. a good thing. Plus kyrie won't be run ragged having to play with the twos becuase our second team PG's are black holes
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The cavs are getting taught a lesson on how to play some championship basketball. Great ball movement, at least 3-4 passes before a shot goes up, while we are playing hero ball with Kyrie, and Dion. Even though those 2 guys have great stats, that's not the way to beat the spurs. Mike Brown is a complete fool. If they want to keep Dion, and Kyrie, they need to get a credible coach. Just sick of these guys playing 1-5, jacking up shot after shot with no ball movement. Bynum, might be an idiot himself, but he is correct when talking about playing along Irving, and Dion. They will never attract any free agents, with their mentality. No wonder Deng can't wait to get out of town.
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Legend
Joined: Mar 2008
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Yeah, we are so bad on offense and even mike browns defense is a joke...still can't defend the 3 or the pick and roll...ssdy. Deng is a big problem here...he's fit in like larry hughes...hawes on the other hand is great offensively, but we don't have enforcer down low. I really wish we would have move TT, I just don't like his game. Jack/Della should just go. Mike browns rotations are idiotic...we need to find a legit 2 so waiters and irving aren't on the floor together.. let waiters be the 1 coming off the bench. They both need the ball too much. Its just the coaching staff can't get anything out of these guys...even when we get a lead in the first half, i know without a doubt the other team will make adjustments and Brown won't and then we will lose. It's the story of his career, he just don't have lebron to will this team to win, kyrie will never be that guy. So you need to be like Spurs and play fundamental basketball, something i don't think Brown can do. I can't count how many times the ball would get double teamed or doubled in the corner and end up with a turnover...you learn that first thing in basketball. Move the ball, side to side, move without the ball, set screens...we do none of it. It's why Pops is so good, he gets the most of of his teams.
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