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Because leg press is for the weak and all the true winners do the squat. But I think it's because there's not really a point to it. We already have something to test muscle endurance (bp) and we already see their explosion with the broad jump.
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Yeah, probably as much. All QBs make bad decisions. It'll happen.
There are times when Mettenberger holds the ball too long. A lot of times, the play simply needs to be allowed to develop. Watch LSU's games. I'm sure you've watched them all.
Injury risk? Teddy Bridgewater makes Urkel look like an OT.
LOL..........you lie so easily. It's obvious to anyone who knows anything that you haven't watched either guy other than perhaps a few highlights.
I watched a ton of all the top ranked QBs and said so all year. I posted countless evaluations all year long. I brought up Bortles long before the national guys did.
How many games did Teddy miss? How many has Mettneberger missed.
It's one thing to have an opinion, but it's another to be completely misinformed and present yourself like some sort of expert. Your opinions are completely misinformed.
Btw-----I put more importance in actual games than the Combine. Red flag. LOL.
I will bet you $1,000 right now that Teddy is the better qb three years down the road than Mettenberger. We can give the money to someone we both trust. Put up, mouth. If not, stop the BS!
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One of the draft's top inside linebackers talks with BrownsThe Browns are exploring every option and talking to players in different positions. Having a defensive-minded head coach, you would assume the Browns would address the defense in the draft. Christian Jones, inside linebacker from Florida State, stated during his media session that he has talked with the Browns. He's ranked in the top 5 in the draft among inside linebackers. Dane Brugler of CBSSports.com has this to say about Jones: STRENGTHS: Tremendous athlete with has fluid footwork who flawlessly flips his hips to blanket tight ends or receivers down the field in coverage. Tall and long, which he uses well in coverage. Plays with excellent range and speed to chase down the action, taking proper angles in pursuit. Flashes the take-on strength to blow past blockers when he uses proper technique. WEAKNESSES: Needs to improve his awareness to turn his head and find the ball. Length is advantageous, but at times will cause him to play too upright, and he needs to improve his overall leverage, especially on tackle attempts. Will get hung up on blocks at times.
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Man, this draft is loaded w/very good players. Good thing our FO positioned themselves so well by trading a 4th for a 3rd, a 5th for a 4th, and trading a dud RB for a 1st. Did we give those guys raises? What, we fired them?  Anyone check out the WRs? Man, what a deep class. We can easily find a very good #2 WR in the mid rounds. Offensive line was strong, as well. 3 Top Qbs. Some RBs that can be part of the RB by committee. Pretty awesome.
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LOL..........you lie so easily. It's obvious to anyone who knows anything that you haven't watched either guy other than perhaps a few highlights.
A liar? Bwahahahaha! Never been called that one before. 
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Yada, yada, yada. Pat yourself on the back for being late to the party. 
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Teddy played who? Stop it. And Mettenberger missed 1 game. He went down against Arkansas. He missed the bowl game. That's all.
Can you stop it already. It's indecent. You're acting like cross between Justin Bieber & Miley Cyrus. It's gross.
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It's one thing to have an opinion, but it's another to be completely misinformed and present yourself like some sort of expert. Your opinions are completely misinformed.
Sure. Welcome to the ignore list. Sadly, you've achieved it. Sometimes you had something worthwhile to say. Now, you call me a liar and spew out some garbage. Mettenberger missed a freaking bowl game and he's a cripple for the rest of his life? My God man, you're insane!
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Sure thing man. Sure thing. He played one quality QB last year and lost... at home!
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I will bet you $1,000 right now that Teddy is the better qb three years down the road than Mettenberger. We can give the money to someone we both trust. Put up, mouth. If not, stop the BS!
It would be like taking candy from a baby. Why not just say one year? Why wait for 3 years to pay up? Nevermind. I ain't gonna care enough to look it up in one year or three and actually try to collect.
Bye.
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I can't believe De'Anthony Thomas only ran a 4.5. He seems to be much faster on the field.
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jc More prospects we've met with Ka'Deem Carey, RB, Arizona (COM) Robert Herron, WR, Wyoming (COM) Ryan Shazier, LB, Ohio State (COM) Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson (COM)
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Yep, we fired the people who traded those picks away. But with the other picks they couldn't draft a single starter. I thought that was the more telling thing for last year.
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I will bet you $1,000 right now that Teddy is the better qb three years down the road than Mettenberger. We can give the money to someone we both trust. Put up, mouth. If not, stop the BS!
It would be like taking candy from a baby. Why not just say one year? Why wait for 3 years to pay up? Nevermind. I ain't gonna care enough to look it up in one year or three and actually try to collect.
Bye.
Just as I thought. You are all mouth.
Ignore that, master of deception.
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Who aren't you a fan of?
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Sorry about posting those stats. They got some very helpful back ups, but backups nonetheless.
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All four for various reasons.
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Three years down the road I could very well see
Bortles being the standout of this class. I think he's more durable and I think has more upside than JM or TB who may (or may not. I'll be fair) be closer to their potential.
But hey, admittedly it's all a guess at this point.
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Five, but you not knowing how many players they struck out on only furthers my point 
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I was responding to the post that presented this list: Quote:
Ka'Deem Carey, RB, Arizona (COM)
Robert Herron, WR, Wyoming (COM)
Ryan Shazier, LB, Ohio State (COM)
Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson (COM)
That looks like four to me. I did not address any other post when I said "nice list."
Get it?
I am not kidding on this................I am seriously becoming very worried about Farmer's intelligence. He has no experience scouting collegiate players. His FA record was lame. He says stupid stuff. That list sucks.
But yeah, he's a big guy. So was Matt Millan.
Here we go again. Wash, rinse, repeat.
We'll take our number 2 WR at number four, a RB who is similar to TRich, and a LBer w/safety size. We'll take a flyer on a later round QB and all the fans will be excited about how we are building a great team.
Wash, rinse, repeat!
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Sorry. But we had tough guys in the FO before. Like last year.
Like I told you in the last thread, it's way too early for the doom and gloom.
The Browns don't release interview info, I believe it all comes from the players. So these are the players who have said they've met with the Browns so far. I think it's safe to assume we're going to interview every QB officially at the combine and some who aren't.
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No, we had smart guys.
In regards to the FO, I prefer smart guys over tough guys.
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We'll just have to agree to disagree.
In other news, Tony Grossi reported that we're very unlikely to draft Sammy Watkins at #4. But I'm not sure if he has any real sources left. I feel like he's burned all of his bridges since calling Lerner a moron and everything through this latest FO search.
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So I guess taking a OLB3 at 6 is so much smarter than taking a WR2 at 4? I'd like to read the spin on that....and for the record: I want a QB there too and would not take a WR, but what's the difference. Where was LomBanner being smarter? Mingo has great talent and upside? Sure, so does Watkins
The next pick, they overdrafted a 4th/5th round guy and left Mathieu, K.Allen, T.Williams, Logan Ryan, TE Reed, Webster and many other more talented prospects on the board.
What good is being "smarter" when you have no eye for talent and/or clue about the draft and its inherent value? In my book, that makes you dumber for the job of putting together a NFL roster...
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You disagree on preferring smart guys over tough guys in the FO?
Really?
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There wasn't a good QB available last year.
I would still take Mingo in that spot.
I prefer having a 3rd and 4th in this year's STRONG draft as opposed to a 4th and 5th in last year's TERRIBLE draft.
But, that's just me.
Your zeal for disagreeing w/me is making you appear stupid. Try another strategy.
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Well I dont think Watkins is the best receiver in this draft so I would be pretty irate if we took Watkins at 4. Evans has better size, better hands and I think a better route runner and not much difference in speed. OO and when he does block he sends people flying out of bounds.
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Banner put us in good position this year to fill the offensive needs but last years draft was bad.
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If you actually read what I wrote instead of combing your hair in front of your mirror, you'd have realize that I don't disagree.
I just called out your agenda driven whacky reasoning behind it. Your attribution of smartness to those guys is a pretty unsubstantial empty word. What was the "smart" part about 4-12 again?
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Really?
I disagree that we had smart guys in our FO last year.
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Are you saying that H and H had no part in that record? Are you saying Chud's coaching had no part in that? Are you saying that the players quit had no part in that record?
Just wondering............
Look DJ. How about we bury the hatchet about past regimes? I am willing if you are. Let's concentrate on moving forward w/the new guys. Can you deal w/that?
We might actually have good conversations. It would be good for the board.
What do you say?
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Not to mention it's the COMBINE thread and there is a FO thread running! 
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I prefer Evans over Watkins too, but both would be luxury picks. Cart before the horse.
If we could get James Jones in FA for 4-5mil/year that's the way I would go along with a mid/late round rook to work the slot. If not, I'd consider Beckham at 26.
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I agree that Banner was smart. Just not smart or experienced on the football side of things. Accounting, cap management, formulating and negotiating contracts? Very smart and qualified.
But when you let someone like that run the football side of things? Not so smart.
And while Farmer's ability to draft is still to be determined,
Lombardi's draft record as GM sucked canal water and we both know it.
Smart is a relative term. Depending on your background and experience, you can be very smart about certain things, while being clueless about other things.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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Jordan Mathews is gonna be a star in this league, I would pull the trigger on him at 26 and go tre Mason with that 2nd rounder. I would like Manziel but that isnt gonna happen with this regime. Not sure if they like any of these QBs or if they are gonna look to bring in shaub or Mallett.
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Actually, I and pretty much the rest of the board have already moved on, so it's kind of hilarious that you act as the peacemaker of a fire you started yet again to begin with. I was getting annoyed of reading your Revisionist spin on Banner in every thread I opened today, so I thought someone has to destroy that sandcastle before it gets out of Hand again. That was the part of me being an ass. Sorry for that, but I thought it was necessary to make the "spilled milk" point clear.
Let's move on indeed. We don't have to care about Banner anymore, good or bad. I want to know as much as possible about Farmer's logic, philosophy, team building approach etc etc.
My early suspicion is that he's in over his head, but we will see...and it's not his fault. The root problem is still Haslam. Both have to grow and learn on the fly on their jobs to build a winner and I don't like their/our chances.
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I like Matthews too, reminds me of both the Bears wideouts. He might need a season or two to get going, but he'll be good, yeah. I guess I prefer Beckham because for one he can help more day one and with rooks on 4year deals that's a big part of my value equation. Then he also is more flexible and can fill more roles, from WR2 to slot to returner.
Matthews otoh has going for him that he's more of a WR1 upside guy that can fil in for Gordon in case of injury or suspension....overall, I'd prefer Beckham/Hyde, speed/athletcism at WR and umpf at RB. Matthews/Mason is kind of "same, same but different", as in vice versa
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Every year front office types meet with players that make fans and reporters go "Huh?". It means very little. It could even be a plan in case of a trade down. (which I don't favor, but, for example, if 2 QB we like are gone, and our next highest rated QB is, maybe Garappolo,(just to use a name) then a trade down could be a reasonable act)
Plus, we could be looking at a player as a potential 2nd pick, maybe we get an opportunity to trade back up, and so on.
We don't just have in players we want to draft. We also have in players we "might" ...... or want other teams to think we might ......
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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Matthews reminds me of Jordy Nelson. Jared Abrederis of Wisconsin reminds me of Chad Johnson.
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Thank you anarchy... Well done. But it won't matter because he won't understand it.
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jc I know Steve likes this kid, so here goes the strange story of why RB Muema didn't perform at the combine: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...o-leave-combineSan Diego State's Adam Muema: God told me to leave combineIt's not uncommon for players to skip out on combine drills because their agent told them to. Former San Diego State running back Adam Muema did so Sunday for a different reason: God said so. According to a report on U-T San Diego, Muema said he left the combine without performing any of Sunday's afternoon drills because he was "following God." Muema also said he was told that if he skipped Sunday's workouts he would end up playing for the Seattle Seahawks. Muema, who is San Diego State's fourth-leading rusher in school history, told U-T San Diego that playing for the Seahawks is his dream. "Can't go wrong with God," Muema said. "(God) told me to sit down, be quiet, and enjoy the peace." Muema's next chance to work out for NFL teams will be at San Diego State's pro day in March. He finished his college career on a high note, rushing for 229 yards and three touchdowns on the ground to lead the Aztecs past Buffalo in the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl. Muema was projected to be taken between the fourth and seventh rounds by the NFL Draft Advisory Board, according to U-T San Diego.
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j/c According to NFL.com's live tracker, Clowney just ran a 4.47. Are you kidding me?That's almost the same as Sammy Watkins (4.43) http://www.nfl.com/combine/tracker?id=2543456&workout=FORTY_YARD_DASH&position=DLThat might have just sealed the deal for the Texans.
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