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I think most amateur draftniks do a pretty good job of spotting different teams needs, ranking players at positions, and creating decent mock drafts.
I'm not sure what Lombo could provide them that the countless scouts and professional folks in charge couldn't handle. They might have some scoop on the Browns but it isn't like the Pats are picking 3rd. If he joined the Jags we'd have reason to be concerned.
I guess the question is whether his work under his tenure under the Browns is his property or property of the organization. That I can not answer and could lead to some rightful heckles if he is using stuff he doesn't own. But in the end I don't think it will matter at all.
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It just shows the true lack of decency possessed by lombardi. He couldnt even change the binder lol. This is Michael Lombardi at his finest. The Lombardi critics including myself, truly expected this from Lombardi.-
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Maybe the fact that the Browns paid him for the past year to gather information for the Pats?
We paid him to get information for us. He then got fired. Now he works for the Patriots. He can't use the things he did while working for us?
Would it make a difference if he had the same information on the paper but it had a Patriots logo?
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Maybe the fact that the Browns paid him for the past year to gather information for the Pats?
We paid him to get information for us. He then got fired. Now he works for the Patriots. He can't use the things he did while working for us?
Would it make a difference if he had the same information on the paper but it had a Patriots logo?
I take this back. Naively, I hadn't thought about the fact that the scouting reports were probably also from others scouts and not just Lombardi.
While I am not as upset as others, I can understand the outrage.
In the end nothing can be proven either way.
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Theoretically if you worked for the Browns and knew what Lombo had rights to owning you could probably enhance the photograph and see if what he had in his hands was his work or property of the Browns. I don't think our FO cares enough to employ advanced spying techniques, but we'll see 
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Or maybe Lombardi had a notepad with a Browns logo on it that he grabbed on his way out of the office, on which he was writing notes while at the combine?
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... I can understand the outrage.
While I am not outraged, what Lombardi appears to have may be the Browns "intellectual property". If so, he has no business having it in his possession. On the other hand, maybe he simply needed some scrap paper on his way out the door. At a minimum, it is poor business practice...
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Maybe the fact that the Browns paid him for the past year to gather information for the Pats?
We paid him to get information for us. He then got fired. Now he works for the Patriots. He can't use the things he did while working for us?
Would it make a difference if he had the same information on the paper but it had a Patriots logo?
It all depends if the Browns had some kinda restrictive clause in his employment agreement. If he signed a contract t hat says he can't reveal what he learned from his times at the Browns, there is the Big Deal
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Just a note...his body of work with the Browns is Property of the Browns not Lombardi.
Its called theft and he could be prosecuted usually before leaving you have to sign some sort of document stating that you handed over all property of the Browns. I've never been fired but I'm pretty sure that is how it goes.
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While I am not outraged, what Lombardi appears to have may be the Browns "intellectual property". If so, he has no business having it in his possession. On the other hand, maybe he simply needed some scrap paper on his way out the door. At a minimum, it is poor business practice...
I doubt it is all of that. First, Lombardi isn't a total idiot. He isn't going to be flashing around proprietary information in public. He does want to work again. Nobody is going to hire him if he is caught doing that.
It's some kind of a program. If we could turn the pages of what he is looking at, we'd probably find logos for every team in the league.
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With the record New England has for cheating and being called out and investigated by the NFL...it is a possibility that the NFL might take it upon themselves to investigate the matter even if the Browns do not make a formal complaint.
If Lombardi violated NFL rules and protocol, he and the Patriots should be held accountable.
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Has it been ruled out that this could have been PHOTO Chopped/Shopped ( not sure of the term)
Putting that Logo there can be done very easily and we know already we got some gifted fans here...just ask Wikipedia...lol 
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I don't know.
I just don't think it is some super secret document that holds every key to ruins for the Browns.
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You could possibly be right, 'peen...but I'm not feeling it.
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There are different pictures, shot from different angles and they all look to be legit.
Could they all be photo shopped...I have no idea.
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IDK, given our recent history it might have been a list of our desired draft picks in which case it would have been a "lets avoid these guys " list for the Pats.
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I've only seen the one picture where Lombardi has a page open and it shows a Browns helmet logo at the top left corner of the page.
We all know that every team anticipates what every other team might do in the draft given that team's specific situation, circumstances and current roster. That's how they manage to make quick decisions on trades as well as moving up or down in their draft order.
So what's the chance that Mike is flipping through a Patriots notebook and just happened to be on the Browns page when the picture was taken? If that was a video from which a still shot was isolated I'd be very curious to see the pages he flipped through before he hit on that Browns page.
I don't know crap. It's just that I find it very hard to believe that he's stupid enough allow himself to look so obviously ignorant of the fact that this could become public and he could be called out on it.
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Has it been ruled out that this could have been PHOTO Chopped/Shopped ( not sure of the term)
Putting that Logo there can be done very easily and we know already we got some gifted fans here...just ask Wikipedia...lol
It most certainly has NOT been ruled out at all.
It also hasn't been ruled out that that is just a page in a booklet that every team has been given by the NFL.
We DO NOT KNOW what that book is. We do know that that is without a doubt a Browns Logo. And that's all we know.
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jc In no way am I concerned with what Lombardi has written down on those pages. Chances are it's his own notes w/ Banner's vast knowledge of scouting.  Yep, not concerned one bit. In fact, if I'm a Pats fan, I'm worried w/ him in the room. I will say that it's pretty stupid Lombardi brought that info (whatever it may be) on Browns letterhead to a nationally televised event. I mean, seriously?. How dim can you be? No matter what Cleveland may say about not being worried or commenting on the situation, I guarantee you they are looking into it just to be sure work product owned by the team didn't leave Berea. This just brings unwarranted press to NE that has been in trouble before. Well done, Mike! Still living up to your reputation.
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... just happened to be on the Browns page when the picture was taken?
That would be way too much coincidence. However, I suppose if it was any other team's logo, we wouldn't be talking about this...
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I mean, seriously?. How dim can you be?
That is a redundant question, right Memphis? You're not really expecting an answer, surely...
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In no way am I concerned with what Lombardi has written down on those pages. Chances are it's his own notes w/ Banner's vast knowledge of scouting
If all it is are his notes, neither am I. But, It may be notes from our scouts. That bothers me.
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j/c Maybe someone could photoshop the pic, put the Jets logo on it, and send it to Rex Ryan's inbox...
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The funny thing about them playing devils advocate is that it forces people to think and articulate their opinions. When they get ticked they dig deeper.
Hypersensitivity and this board should be alien to each other.
Well, someone gets it.
Here we go again. . .
So you didn't actually like Banner, you just took that point of view because not enough people liked him? Or you liked Banner and happened to be one of the few people who did?
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It just shows the true lack of decency possessed by lombardi. He couldnt even change the binder lol. This is Michael Lombardi at his finest. The Lombardi critics including myself, truly expected this from Lombardi.-
I have my thoughts about this..ML wanted to stick it to the Browns no doubt, as we also see all these tweets and stuff coming out after this mess..dude is comfy where he's at now as instead of being a shadow in Berea.
Now that stuff he has no doubt are scouting reports ,etc..but where I think it'll hit or cause a block is in FA..
Bellyache now is a leg up on the prospects in the draft and while on the surface they may not care who the Browns like, they know more about whom NE wants, which could be a problem in later rounds if both teams want a certain player.
We'll hear of a lot of bluffing going on, and we may wonder who was threatening to take this player if the Browns don't..
It could bite the Browns in some way.
But it shows the snake that ML is..he isn't stupid, he knows exactly what he's doing.
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The funny thing about them playing devils advocate is that it forces people to think and articulate their opinions. When they get ticked they dig deeper.
Hypersensitivity and this board should be alien to each other.
Well, someone gets it.
Here we go again. . .
So you didn't actually like Banner, you just took that point of view because not enough people liked him? Or you liked Banner and happened to be one of the few people who did?
Ya, I really don't like this devil's advocate garbage... really hard to have serious meaningful discussions when people can say stuff and then claim they were just trying to bring balance to the discussion.
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  OK olskool, look deeply into my eyes and repeat after me... "there is nothing unusual about the actions of your former GM in the Patriots suite at the combine." "It is just your imagination" "You see nothing" "Those are actually pumpkins and those were his Halloween doilies." There, now don't you feel better? No? How about they are just photoshopped? How about the media is telling you that this isn't what you are seeing? Yes, that's it. Actually, I think this is hilarious. Funnier than the Harbaugh thing. As I said, we are getting entertaining. Next stop: Winning
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I think that it would be funny if someone put together a picture of Lombardi and McDaniel both sitting on Belichick's lap .... like 2 kids gone running home after taking a whooping.
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I think that's the BROWN'S EMPLOYEE HAND BOOK???
He's still trying to figure out what he did wrong.
What is weird is the first view of the pic from the side My first thought was WOW Banner gained a lot of Weight... lol
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OK olskool, look deeply into my eyes and repeat after me... "there is nothing unusual about the actions of your former GM in the Patriots suite at the combine."
"It is just your imagination"
"You see nothing" "Those are actually pumpkins and those were his Halloween doilies."
There, now don't you feel better?
No? How about they are just photoshopped?
How about the media is telling you that this isn't what you are seeing? Yes, that's it.
Actually, I think this is hilarious. Funnier than the Harbaugh thing.
As I said, we are getting entertaining.
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I'm not saying it was Mangini who was secretly filming this, but I could swear by trying to read Bill's lips he said something to the effect "hey Patricia, it looks like the Browns aren't considering Nix until the early second."
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LOL.....you guys are taking this too far. The Browns aren't going to print some internal document with the NFL logo printed on 70% of the page.
Whatever was printed was printed by the NFL.
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I noticed the NFL logo too... and had the same thought you did, which is why would the Browns put a giant NFL logo on an internal document...
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LOL.....you guys are taking this too far. The Browns aren't going to print some internal document with the NFL logo printed on 70% of the page.
Whatever was printed was printed by the NFL.
Buzz Kill LOL
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Spin city.
Another dumb move by the Browns has backfired and you guys are justifying it.
Let me guess what is next. We will draft a receiver and pass on a franchise qb. You guys will do the same thing you did when we passed on Ben and Rodgers for K2 and Leon.
Great job, FO. We are finally headed on the right path.
Yeah man.................no way Lombardi has information on our draft. He is stupid. He probably can't even read. Those papers have nothing to do w/the Brown's scouting reports.............they are just stationary.
Yeah..........wash, rinse, repeat.
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I hope somebody does some research and finds the answer.
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So send a link to the pic to the NFL office and ask what they are doing about this as in investigating. Who knows you might even get an answer if they looked into it already and found it to be photo shop or a Manual that the NFL sent to the TEAMS listing the combine participants. ???
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Every draft the guy was ever involved in was purely miserable. So how was this a bad thing again? Based on what exactly?
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Some are already advocating drafting a WR so I don't really see how they would be changing their minds. If we pass on Bridgewater, I won't be happy and I don't care which FO did it. The difference is, I don't see this new FO as being any more or less likely of doing it and there's zero evidence to base such a conclusion on.
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Who is to stay Lombardi took the Browns' document? Maybe its something Bellicheck took from Modell back in the 1990's. 
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Using Lombardi info to gain an advantage who the Brown's draft, or who we are interested in would be poor judgment in NE, plain and simple. BB will do what he wants, regardless what Lombardi has or knows. We just have to draft smarter. It's on this FO, nobody else.
Building in a pre-determined guilt of ML having all this super genuis like top secret Brown's potential player draft data is laughable.
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