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At least 17 NFL quarterback coaches that were polled at the 2014 NFL Scouting Combine ranked Fresno State QB Derek Carr over Texas A&M’s Johnny Manziel, TFY Draft Insider’s Tony Pauline reports.
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This follows yesterday’s report from NFL.com’s Daniel Jeremiah that claimed Carr is the Browns’ guy at No. 26.
“Their guy is (Fresno State quarterback) Derek Carr and they’re going to take a different player with the fourth pick and they want to take Derek Carr with their second one (at No. 26)…I heard that from several different places,” Jeremiah said.
Carr doesn’t always throw from a balanced base and his footwork issues will likely frustrate the fan base where he lands, similarly to Jay Cutler or Matthew Stafford. But he does have a cannon of an arm and is likely to be the fourth or fifth quarterback off the board towards the end of the first round or at the start of the second round.
As for Manziel, despite the recent pile of negative comments he’s received from former NFL quarterbacks, the Texas A&M star signal-caller is still expected to be a Top 10 pick in the 2014 NFL Draft on May 8.
Tony Pauline also notes that Jimmy Garoppolo “solidified himself as a second rounder last week and already has five pre-draft visits with NFL teams on his schedule. Blake Bortles, Teddy Bridegwater and Manziel are expected to be the top three QBs taken.
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I hope this Carr business is just to throw people off Bridgewater, Manziel, or Bortles so a team like the Raiders or Vikings won't bother with trading up to the Rams #2 pick. guaranteeing one of those three available at 4.
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Carr doesn’t always throw from a balanced base and his footwork issues will likely frustrate the fan base where he lands, similarly to Jay Cutler or Matthew Stafford. But he does have a cannon of an arm and is likely to be the fourth or fifth quarterback off the board towards the end of the first round or at the start of the second round. The reincarnation of Derrick Anderson. 
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I know its a trick question Pit but I'll play anyways 
1. If that is my plan f you have one of the top 3 QB's targeted as your plan, is waiting and hoping he'll drop to you at #4 You're implying that would not be a SOUND PLAN...The odds all 3 QBs go in the 3 picks before is very solid not to happen... A heck of a lot more odds in having the QB you really really want still being there at 26.
2. Worst case scenario you don't get enough feelers to compete and move up and get your guy with the Rams. Cause if you like a guy and others different story if you are sold on THE GUY...you don't wait you get him. But worst case scenario you cannot beat out the Vikings offer for RAMS pick. So you got them going 1-3 Texans, Vikings and Jags. You have the best player in the draft at your pick. If you want him you take him if you wish to trade down you got something that a lot of teams want.
3. So its a plan with very good odds.
Personally this is what I think will happen.
I think JM is going to drop if he gets past the Vikings he will drop a lot. Keep in mind Small QBs no matter the hype DO NOT get taken early. Not sure Wilson is enough to put an end to that practice by NFL teams.
4. If Teddy is there at 4 its a no brainer...I have no clue how much they like Bortles.
5. If there are leaks we like this guy or that guy its cause we don't really have that as a plan.
6. I know I said the word "PLAN" but really the proper word would be "TARGET" if we are targeting a specific QB we deem as the guy we want. We will get him - if its Carr at 26 more than likely we will move up and GET HIM. If its JM at 4 we could move up to GET HIM. Most QB targeting do not have teams waiting for them to drop in their laps. Possibly our board has Teddy the only QB worth a top 5???. If the Texans pass do we trade with the RAMS?
7. Do we feel there is better depth at the QB position then TOP 5 quality. Now that is a plan but you cannot target ONE QB dropping to 26-35...you have to have several or at least 2.
8. But if you are saying that waiting for 25 picks and expecting the QB targeted to be there is just as good a Plan in execution as waiting for 1 of 3 getting to #4 pick. Come on Pit - I don't think you got a beautiful mind but your math skills are good enough to get this one right 
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It really wasn't a trick question.  I actually felt your response of "teddy being a no brainer" said a lot. And yes, the odds of getting your guy at #4 could be better by sitting there and hoping he falls than waiting at #26 for a guy like Carr. But I'm not so sure? Not saying it's true, but I believe most NFL GM's have Teddy rated by far the highest on their boards. I'm sure there will be some who favor Bortles measurable, so I won't say all GM's have Teddy rated highest. With that being said, I'm not so sure sitting tight at #4 has any better odds of landing us Teddy, than sitting at #26 would insure us drafting Carr. IF the Texans don't draft Teddy, it may take trading up with the Rams to insure we get Bridgewater. I seriously believe the Rams have every intention of staying the course with Bradford and would be a very likely trade partner there. I'm not advocating such a trade per say, just thinking out loud in my thought process.
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I seriously believe the Rams have every intention of staying the course with Bradford and would be a very likely trade partner there. I'm not advocating such a trade per say, just thinking out loud in my thought process.
Yeah, with the cap being $9 million higher than original projections, I think Bradford is safe.
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JC Hopefully this video clears up what Daniel Jeremiah was referring to when he said the Browns like Carr. http://www.nfl.com/videos/cleveland-browns/0ap2000000329578/Jeremiah-Browns-prefer-Carr-over-ManzielIn a nut shell, he thinks (under Banner) the Manziel love was a smoke screen and they really liked Carr w/ #26. The only reason why Carr is still tied to the Browns is because Farmer is still on staff but doesn't really know where he stands and said "we'll have to wait and see".
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That most certainly clears up the speculation about which regime he was referring to. Thanks! 
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Fresno State was completly outmatched versus USC. Carr didn't have any help from Adams or his run game.
USC wasn't that great of a team. So, shouldn't we put an asterisk besides Carr's numbers during the regular season. Guys knock Teddy for playing a poor schedule, but not Carr????
Furthermore, the poor talent around him did not lead to him playing like he just pissed himself. They didn't cause him to miss wide open receivers. They didn't cause him to dance in the pocket. They didn't cause him to start checking down on so many plays.
This guy reminds me of Timid, Weeden, and his brother.........and already....the excuses have started for him.
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Hopefully this video clears up what Daniel Jeremiah was referring to when he said the Browns like Carr.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/cleveland-browns/0ap2000000329578/Jeremiah-Browns-prefer-Carr-over-Manziel
In a nut shell, he thinks (under Banner) the Manziel love was a smoke screen and they really liked Carr w/ #26. The only reason why Carr is still tied to the Browns is because Farmer is still on staff but doesn't really know where he stands and said "we'll have to wait and see".
Definitely clears up a lot of things.
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Not really repying to YTOWNS post but the only QB I would look at in the 1st would be Borlles. Carr is not bad as a second choice, but no Bridgewater or Manzel
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Quarterbacks are placed under a giant microscope. Analysts provide all the criterion used to evaluate their talent.
However, to my way of thinking when you watch quarterback play you have to pay close attention to the way a quarterback operates under pressure.
The position of quarterback is unique. Most sport activity is based upon short space explosive movement. Quarterbacks have to be able to remain calm while all around them chaos rules. At the same time while the brain needs to remain calm and processing heavy loads of information it must also be in a state of high alert in order to move quickly. It is no wonder that only a select few are able to play the position at the highest level. Montana had that ability to slow the the game down and operate efficiently. Weeden the exact opposite.
The problem I see in Carr is when the game is in high speed he over reacts and breaks down. That is a problem and I am unsure if it can be corrected.
You can coach a guy up in reading defenses. You can work on small mechanical changes in footwork and body position while throwing. Game experience can go a long way when combined with grade A preparation.
Can you coach the brain to remain calm under pressure and make good decisions? Not really sure that can be done.
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Can you coach the brain to remain calm under pressure and make good decisions? Not really sure that can be done.
I think you have it or not. Trying to teach it before has not happened. Antsy in the pocket is a key to failure.
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