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With the new management and coaches, again... their first 3 to 4 moves will be important ones and most likely dictate how their regime will be. So what would be your first 4 moves???
1. Resign Mack and Ward ... both have proven themselves on the field, pro-bowlers, and are younger leaders in their unit and in the lockerroom.
It would be nice for this ownership to make a statement and retain some of our better drafted players. Basically, keep the talent in house.
2. If Sammy Watkins is available.... draft him. No matter who we have at QB they need weapons. Watkins is a helluva talent.
3. Trade up in the first round. Combine our 26th pick with 3rd and 4th, or 2nd & 3rd to get Darquez Dennard. You build defense with Cornerbacks not OLB's.
4. If we traded our 2nd away to get Dennard, trade back up into 2nd round and get Carlos Hyde. We can always fill our other needs except maybe QB in the later rounds.
Regardless who is at QB they would have Gordon, Watkins, Cameron, and Hyde to make their job easier. Hoyer can hold it down for a year, for whichever QB we draft.. Let them sit and learn like they did in the old days. This way we would have enough talent to compete for to high valued free agents.
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1. Find a QB.
2. If You haven't completed step 1, Find a QB.
3. Keep looking for a QB.
4. Repeat Steps 1-3.
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I agree 100%.
That said ...... if the powers that be feel that a guy like Jimmy Garappolo (just to throw a name in there) is a better option for the team, and they feel they can get him in the 2nd, then that is what they should do.
I want a franchise level QB, but if the braintrust feels that their guy is someone other than one of the top 3 guys in this draft, then they should not force a pick.
That said ...... if Bridgewater is there at 4 and we pass, I'll be irritated. I am still unsure of Manziel and Bortles.
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If they passed up bridgewater at 4 there might just be riots and i might just be part of it lol.
That being said, I love it if Jimmy was our QB of the future. I'd love to draft bridgewater and jimmy =)
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1)Resign Mack
2)Franchise Ward
3)Sign Byrd
4)Draft Bridgewater
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That'd be the nuts. From there, I'd go:
- sign a mid-level FA RB AND draft a mid-round RB...think Jennings+Hyde/Sims/J.White
- at least try to get in a vet WR like Nicks or J.Jones, but don't overspend for aWR2 and back off if the money gets crazy. Draft at least one WR to groom that can help day one at something, our WR depth chart has no room for developmental types only.
- sign a FA RG like G.Schwartz, Asamoah or SSmith, a prototypical, strong run Blocker and draft a mid-roung LG Type to compete with Greco and Pinkston. If the rook Shows promise, then cut Greco and his 2.4mil contract.
- draft a mid/late round OT for depth. It's a strong OT-class and we have no depth there. Guys like B.Thomas, J.James, Robinson(TEN),Schofield etc come to mind
- as with WR2, at least try to get a vet CB2 like T.Brown or Munnerlyn. If not, then draft a CB fairly high. Guys like Fuller, who can challenge Skrine day one
- sign a FA ILB and draft one in 3rd/4th. Bishop and Skov would be my choices. Cheap, day one ready and upside left. Approach DQ to cut down his contract. If not, cut him and throw the saved money at Dansby
- if we can't get Byrd for FS, consider drafting Pryor at 26, if not go with Gipson another season as there arent many upgrade possibilities available
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Everybody is so obsessed with getting a rookie qb, I understand this but how many times does it take til you try a different route? How about instead of wasting high picks on long shots... How about, lets aquire some playmakers for whomever is behind center. You have to put yourself in a position to succeed. Putting all the pressure on a rookie, with no talent around him will never work and ruin a good prospect
Food for thought...We have 1 play maker on this team,.....1.
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Funny thing...... It seems a very inexperienced QB like Hoyer "found the talent to win with" on our roster.
Maybe, just maybe we need a complitant QB before we really know the strengths and weaknesses on this team.
Sure we could use a few more pieces to the puzzle, but with 10 draft picks and the FA market, we can actually address both.
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Funny thing...... It seems a very inexperienced QB like Hoyer "found the talent to win with" on our roster.
Maybe, just maybe we need a complitant QB before we really know the strengths and weaknesses on this team.
Sure we could use a few more pieces to the puzzle, but with 10 draft picks and the FA market, we can actually address both.
I agree, we should be able to address them all. Glad Banner not around to mess it up,
I wouldnt say Hoyer won, more like he did enough to win and didnt lose. Which is what we need, consistency.
Benjamin is not a weapon.... good kick returner but needs a lot of work at WR. Cameron had a good year but, I wouldnt call him a weapon. He was completely taken out of games second half of the season. IDK if that was QB issues or teams focusing on him more. Either way, he is a solid compliment player but not talented enough to carry the load as the star of the team or electrifying to the point that I would call him a weapon.
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1) Stay at 4, draft Manziel, Carr, or Bridgewater. I'd be happy with any of them. I'm under the assumption that either Bortles or Clowney will go ahead of us, basically guaranteeing a franchise-caliber QB prospect.
2) At 26, draft Marqise Lee, Brandin Cooks, or Odell Beckham. Any of those three would work fine with any of the above QBs.
3) Draft Shayne Skov at 3a to add some toughness and playmaking to the middle of our defense. Can move DQ to WILB where he should have been all along.
4) If one of Sankey, Hyde, or Seastrunk are available at 3b, draft one. If not, take Dion Bailey and pick up White, Muema, or West in the fourth.
Re-signing Mack and Ward would be nice, but I don't see it as critical. I think they can be replaced if necessary.
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1) Resign both Mack and Ward. Need to keep all pro homegrown talent. Also, players peak in ability after their 1st contract. Cannot let these 2 get away and start over at these positions with rookies.
2) Sign 5 decent free agents that make the team better. Not huge blow you cap space huge names. Players like Julien Edelman WR New England to improve 3rd down effeciency. Geoffrey Schwartz RG to play beside his brother and improve the right side of the line. Sign a real Fullback to improve the running game. Sign Rex Grossman to come in and be a 3rd string QB and groom the young QB that gets drafted in Shannahan's offense. Sign a CB to improve the secondary to either start opposite Haden or play the slot and keep Skrine opposit Haden.
3) Draft Bridgewater, Manziel, or Bortles at #4. Take best players available the rest of the draft. This draft has very good talent and the Browns have been talent starved for the most part since they returned. This draft is a chance to change their fortunes.
4) Lock up Joe Haden long term before he ever sniffs free agency next year.
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I have to ask why you are so high on Bailey. He looks like a tweener to me and is not a FS imho. He's a mix of both SS/OLB with no true real position in the NFL....I don't know, he looks to me like the next USC rover that will amount to nothing in the NFL and if anything fits a 4-3 base better than any version of the 3-4
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Ohhhhh P16 may have hit a Home Run...LOL
Hey, if Teddy is everything Vers is saying he is, that would be one helluva haul...
One thing I'd change, I wouldn't bother to franchise ward, I'd make the deal and keep him. That would send a message to Haden.. and by the way, I'd get him locked in as well.
Get a RB and another WR and wow,., this could be crazy fun to watch.
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Everybody is so obsessed with getting a rookie qb, I understand this but how many times does it take til you try a different route? How about instead of wasting high picks on long shots... How about, lets aquire some playmakers for whomever is behind center. You have to put yourself in a position to succeed. Putting all the pressure on a rookie, with no talent around him will never work and ruin a good prospect
Food for thought...We have 1 play maker on this team,.....1.
How can you make such a dumb statement?
We have spent high draft picks on receiver after receiver after receiver. Where has it gotten us?
Kevin Johnson
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Andre Davis
K2
Leon
Robo
MoMass
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Gordon
We have invested more high picks on receivers than any other position and we can't even win half our games. Yet, you want to ignore the most important position on the field once again and draft yet another "play maker." 
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Hey, if Teddy is everything Vers is saying he is, that would be one helluva haul...
One thing I'd change, I wouldn't bother to franchise ward, I'd make the deal and keep him. That would send a message to Haden.. and by the way, I'd get him locked in as well.
Get a RB and another WR and wow,., this could be crazy fun to watch.
Thanks bud. Though I would like to explain why I prefer to franchise Ward. There won't be much cost difference in either option but I'd like to see TJ show some consistently high play. He peaked last year in a role designed to use his attributes he excels at. I'd like to see if he becomes a more balanced safety, continues in pro bowl form, stays healthy and correct his problem areas. If he can do at least 2-3 of those things he deserves the contract everyone wants to pay him now. In my mind he needs to prove he deserves top money. He needs to at least reproduce his season in back to back years for me to be comfortable with a big extension like this. Especially if we were to bring in a high dollar compliment in Byrd. That's the key here is Byrd.
IMO if he hadn't had a cookie cutter role this year he may be getting paid a lot less in his extension and I want to see what the new guys in charge think of him before they commit. Im not convinced he would have been a pro bowler if he was asked to be a balanced safety. We essentially ran a 3-4 version of a 46 defense with TJ. The franchise tag allows you to guarantee things a long term deal can only hope they come true. I just want to cover all the bases. We may be in cap heaven but every penny counts if you want to build a long term contender.
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I'd add ben tate in FA to that list
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#1 - Re-sign Alex Mack & T.J. Ward
#2 - Sign a high quality cornerback and wide receiver via free agency. I'm also hearing rumors about Jarius Byrd being on our radar as well.
#3 - Upgrade the offensive line and skill position players EARLY and OFTEN in the draft.
#4 - If the front office feels great about a QB than do whatever is necessary to DRAFT said QB.
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That would be perfect.
1-3 are actually probable...if the fates have Bridgewater dropping to us...man o man that falls under - Its too good to be true will football end as we know it???
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With the cap space we have, we should be able to fill most needs in free agency.
We definitely should bring Mack back.
Maybe sign a guy like Eugene Monroe from the Ravens. He's a solid starting level RT who would be an upgrade.
Look at a WR like Golden Tate. He's not a guy to go catch a ton of deeper passes, but he is great on slants and quick his passes, and he can break tackles like crazy. He would be a perfect WCO type WR.
Maybe we sign Byrd at S. He's definitely an upgrade, and creates turnovers. I would love to see him brought in.
If i can find a CB at a bargain type price, then I look at that position. However, that seems unlikely, and I would hesitate to spend huge at CB when we will have to spend huge to keep Haden, and maybe either to keep Ward and/or sign Byrd. Plus, with this draft being so deep at CB, I would hesitate to overspend for an average type.
We will need an ILB and a RB, but I am not sure who fits at ILB, and I am not crazy about overspending for a RB in free agency. I would rather draft a guy (or 2) in the 3rd/4th rounds.
As far as our draft, I think that we have several big needs.
ILB and RB as noted above.
QB, obviously.
CB certainly.We need to take advantage of this deep position.
TE2 is also a big need.
We should probably look at a WR as well, but I would prefer a veteran to pair with Gordon as opposed to drafting a guy really high. With a rookie QB likely to be coming to the starting spot really quickly, a pair of veteran receivers would be a huge help.
Man, with 10 draft picks and almost $50 million in cap space, we can easily add 15-20 new players this off-season.
We have every right to expect impact players down to the 4th round, and we have 7 picks in the top 4 rounds. We should be able to sign 3-5 high quality free agents. If we get the QB right, there is no reason why we can't make a huge turnaround this year.
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you are welcome..
Your point on Ward is well taken, But we can get out of a contract later if he isn't consistent. And if he becomes more balanced and able to continue his Pro Bowl ways, then its going to get even more expensive next year.
The added benefit of signing him may be his relationship to Haden. How many times have we heard that they are best buds. You wanna increase your chances of signing Haden to a Long Term Contract, I'd suggest signing Ward to one. It may make it more appealing to Haden.
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That would be perfect.
1-3 are actually probable...if the fates have Bridgewater dropping to us...man o man that falls under - Its too good to be true will football end as we know it???
Do we think Buffalo won't franchise Byrd? If people think we should franchise Ward then Buffalo should franchise Byrd, no?
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There has already been word that they will. Whether or not he will sign a long term contract with them is the real question. If he won't I would expect Buffalo to tr and trade him.
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Do we think Buffalo won't franchise Byrd? If people think we should franchise Ward then Buffalo should franchise Byrd, no?
There has already been word that they will. Whether or not he will sign a long term contract with them is the real question. If he won't I would expect Buffalo to tr and trade him.
yep. and, one note is that they have to pay him the 2X kicker as they franchised him last year too. I don't think they'll blink at doing it though.
maybe we both franchise our safeties and make a swap?
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Your point on Ward is well taken, But we can get out of a contract later if he isn't consistent. And if he becomes more balanced and able to continue his Pro Bowl ways, then its going to get even more expensive next year.
The added benefit of signing him may be his relationship to Haden. How many times have we heard that they are best buds. You wanna increase your chances of signing Haden to a Long Term Contract, I'd suggest signing Ward to one. It may make it more appealing to Haden.
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This is very true. I suppose really we are thinking the same thing. Whether it's a franchise tag or a long term deal I think we need a contract with minimal guarantees down the road. This is as good a time as any given our rollover. He's not known for his consistency like the Joe's and Mack so I side with the cautious. I would have no issue with a front loaded deal with a lot of play escalators and roster bonuses.
In fact for the reasoning you gave I may prefer it. Though he would make good money now, what if he was to really hone the mental aspect of coverage and become a more balanced player? You are right, he would likely command the highest S contract to stay. You effectively changed my tune. 
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Your point on Ward is well taken, But we can get out of a contract later if he isn't consistent. And if he becomes more balanced and able to continue his Pro Bowl ways, then its going to get even more expensive next year.
The added benefit of signing him may be his relationship to Haden. How many times have we heard that they are best buds. You wanna increase your chances of signing Haden to a Long Term Contract, I'd suggest signing Ward to one. It may make it more appealing to Haden.
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This is very true. I suppose really we are thinking the same thing. Whether it's a franchise tag or a long term deal I think we need a contract with minimal guarantees down the road. This is as good a time as any given our rollover. He's not known for his consistency like the Joe's and Mack so I side with the cautious. I would have no issue with a front loaded deal with a lot of play escalators and roster bonuses.
In fact for the reasoning you gave I may prefer it. Though he would make good money now, what if he was to really hone the mental aspect of coverage and become a more balanced player? You are right, he would likely command the highest S contract to stay. You effectively changed my tune.
the Browns have paid out something like 100 million in dead money to players and coaches and FO people since 2000. I think a few millon to dump Ward if he didn't continue to produce is really chump change..
Again, just thinking out loud..
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There has already been word that they will. Whether or not he will sign a long term contract with them is the real question. If he won't I would expect Buffalo to tr and trade him.
My issue is does it not drastically lower his trade value with how much he wants out of Buffalo? I remember a fair amount of drama and him skipping camp if I recall. If teams think he wants out would not he command less in exchange?(barring a major bidding war of course). We must remember a trade is great but losing the top FA in one year nets you a late 3rd round pick in compensation. With his huge contract I'm not sure anyone's going to give a 1st or high second for 5 productive years of a good safety. NFL FO men are cocky. Why give a 1st rounder for half a players career and a large contract when your confident you can draft one and get 5 years of a low contract?
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I think if Buffalo franchises Byrd with the intention of trading him they will get a 2nd round pick at best.
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Coaches don't count against the salary cap.
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Coaches don't count against the salary cap.
I know, but that wasn't my point. The money is meaningless.
As for CAP space,, yeah it's a hit. but not huge and certainly not enough to not take a chance on signing him long term.
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Franchise Byrd...very possible and probable. Was he Franchised last year???? If so he is more expensive than the average Bear...20% more...if they don't work out a long term deal we might be able to trade a 3rd for his rights???
But now way we sign him to a contract when he is Franchised.
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Byrd was franchised last year, so you are correct he has a 20% bump this year on the tag.
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Franchise Byrd...very possible and probable. Was he Franchised last year???? If so he is more expensive than the average Bear...20% more...if they don't work out a long term deal we might be able to trade a 3rd for his rights???
But now way we sign him to a contract when he is Franchised.
This what I was thinking. I would give our 1st 3rd for Byrd. Or possibly even a deal including a player and a late round pick.
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I don't know what Buffalo's cap situation is, but he will have a franchise tag value of $8.3 million according to ESPN. Maybe Buffalo stays with that ...... but I think that they can only keep him for one more year and then they have to give him the average of the top 5 contracts in the NFL. (maybe it's top 10, but it would be extremely expensive)
I think that a 3rd rounder might do the job ... unless Buffalo decides that they are keeping him no matte what.
It will be interesting to see what happens.
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